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Has anyone bought the kaiser at a decent price recently? From the feedback in the forums, tursted web stores are a lot more expensive Even ebay is getting expensive...
I got mine from Orange (in the UK). My contract just expired - I spend about £50-80 per month and I negotiated 300 minutes, 500 text, 30MB data per month with unlimited data at evening and weekends for free, plus I got the phone for free as well!
The only other vendor in the UK that I know is selling the Tytn II is T-Mobile. Hit Orange with T-Mobile's web n walk service and they will probably bend a little, especially if you talk to the cancellations department - they will do everything they can to stop you leaving...
I got mine from egadget depot .com price match available and honest merchant with fast shipping.
Cheapest I found was £428 inc P&P at http://www.handtech.co.uk/
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Cheapest I found was £428 inc P&P at http://www.handtech.co.uk/
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in case you haven't noticed, agoyeneche is based in Dallas, TX, US...not UK and $931.03 delivered to the US is hardly a good deal
Look here http://store.xda-developers.com/HTCTyTNII-unlocked.html
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in case you haven't noticed, agoyeneche is based in Dallas, TX, US...not UK and $931.03 delivered to the US is hardly a good deal
Look here http://store.xda-developers.com/HTCTyTNII-unlocked.html
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Thanks! I was already thinking about buying from xda-developers store. However, I read somewhere the price used to be $690 and now it is up to $760
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Thanks! I was already thinking about buying from xda-developers store. However, I read somewhere the price used to be $690 and now it is up to $760
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Att website has the TILT for a reasonable price:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...etails/?device=AT&T+Tilt(TM)&q_sku=sku1060009
I own a small business. I recently moved 25 lines over from Sprint to AT&T. This was via an authorized dealer (AT&T franchise). They gave me my Tilt for $300.00 bucks. I will never deal with a corporate store again. It's almost like they have more freedom to do what they want in order to win business. My friend moved his family plan over from Tmobile to AT&T with the same franchise and they gave him the same deal as me.
Got mine from craigslist. Brand new at&t tilt for $400.00 even. best deal ever.
got mine for 300 euro's at a place they call the black market they sell all sorts of things before the official release date and for a reasonable price oya and thats only the phone with no contract or monthly payment it used to be the vario 3 but i sim unlocked it and flashed it with the dutch rom
MrByte said:
in case you haven't noticed, agoyeneche is based in Dallas, TX, US...not UK and $931.03 delivered to the US is hardly a good deal
Look here http://store.xda-developers.com/HTCTyTNII-unlocked.html
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In case you hadn't noticed the OP didn't say he wanted to buy one - he asked if anyone had "got one at a decent price" - I had and simply answered his question.
MrByte said:
in case you haven't noticed, agoyeneche is based in Dallas, TX, US...not UK and $931.03 delivered to the US is hardly a good deal
Look here http://store.xda-developers.com/HTCTyTNII-unlocked.html
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In case you haven't noticed, the question to which I was responding was "Anyone bought the kaiser at a decent price recently?" I simply answered the question.
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Thanks! I was already thinking about buying from xda-developers store. However, I read somewhere the price used to be $690 and now it is up to $760
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that was in the when they first had it, with discounts. Now it is the lowest price, no more discounts
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In case you haven't noticed, the question to which I was responding was "Anyone bought the kaiser at a decent price recently?" I simply answered the question.
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point taken.... the fault is actually the OP's as he didn't specify
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Att website has the TILT for a reasonable price:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...etails/?device=AT&T+Tilt(TM)&q_sku=sku1060009
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There getting 499.00 at the att stores here. Retail ,no contract needed.
Add in 6% tax and 15 bucks to unlock it and your at 534 grand total.
Just walkin and walk out with a new phone.
What gets me is how someone would pay over 600 plus shipping on Ebay for the same thing (locked to att also). And theres alot of buy it nows on ebay over 600 bucks for a tilt. I must be missing something, I dont understand that.
OK whats the lowest price available for the tytn ii not the att tilt?
2 weeks ago from an AT&T store in NYC featuring a special $50 additional discount for 3 days - paid $350 + tax less $100 MIR = $250
just paid $99 us off HTC website
really?
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just paid $99 us off HTC website
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care to explain the details?
I have bought 4 units so far for family and friends. For Shops I would recommend Inkino Ltd at 48 Tottenham Court Road and 9 Great Russell Street. They recently had deals for HTC TyTN II P4550 Kaiser and 6GB Micro SD for £499.95.
I have also bought a unit from www.htcdirect.co.uk I was impressed with their speedy service, responses to my email queries and the unit turned up very nicely packaged. I will be using them in the future too. The only reason I went with HTCDirect was that Inkino had sold out at the time. Its always good to know more than one good source.
If you are planning to buy a ATT phones, wait till Friday all the phones will be at 50% discount including the TILT.
was announced on the RADIO.
More info anyone???
Can anyone provide more info (certain markets, or nationwide?)... or confirm this?
ATT 50% off Blackfriday
This sale is pretty much limited to CA, NV, ID, AZ, NM, UT, HI, OR, WA, CO. You get 50% off on almost any phone (no Iphone or Go Phones included). You however have to be eligible for an upgrade or new line of service. It seems to be a pretty good deal if you are looking to get the tilt or blackberry.
you can check it out here
http://www.cingularfun.com/blackfridaywest/
CA, NV, ID, AZ, NM, UT, HI, OR, WA, CO
Seeing as I dont live in any of those 8 states.... seems I'm out of luck.
great...i live in washington, i could do it..i already got my tilt tho.
Well that sucks, I've only had my Tilt 3 weeks
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Well that sucks, I've only had my Tilt 3 weeks
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i believe at&t has a 30 day price match offer that includes them dropping their own prices, so you should be able to get the difference refunded if your in one of those states.
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i believe at&t has a 30 day price match offer that includes them dropping their own prices, so you should be able to get the difference refunded if your in one of those states.
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I hope so. I'm calling sales tomorrow because I got mine on the 16th and I'll post back with what they say.
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I hope so. I'm calling sales tomorrow because I got mine on the 16th and I'll post back with what they say.
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I await your findings. I live in AZ and I just bought my Tilt like 3 weeks ago so I fall in the 30 days like you
Before I bought mine I asked them if by some chance the Tilt went on sale for cheaper than I got it for (399.99) would they price match. They assured me that it would not go on sale so I insisted the "what if". They agreed that if it did go on sale by some weird chance (like black friday weekend) then they would do a price match.
Still I'm curious what you find out.
Thanks!
TILT price match
Hi Guys!
I got ordered my tilt on 8th and got it on 12th. I think i will be eligible for Price match. I got it on a forced upgrade for 592 USD with tax. Hope i can save some money on it.
Please post your opinions and findings..
.... Raj
I live in St. Louis, MO area, although i'm not on one of those states listed, i bought my phone about 2 weeks ago from an At&t store, not a an authorized dealer and actually store by at&t and that was the first thing i asked my rep was what if the price in it drops the day after Thanksgiving will they offer me that, and she said yes, they have a 30 day price match, also i told them about the amazon.com offer of 200bux plus a 25.00 rebate for a total of 175 for the phone w/a 2 year contract, and they did a pretty close offer of 250.00 and i dont have to pay the 36.00 activation fee, so basically i paid 214 2 weeks ago for it, sure the amazon deal is cheaper, but the in person service is something i dont mind paying a little more for incase there's a mess up w/something i can go back to the store, which is only 5 minutes from me and talk to someone in person and get everything right.
So I just got back from the AT&T store and they gave me an additional $150 credit to my bill since I puchased the phone less than 30 days ago!
Anyone that has purchased their AT&T Tilt less than 30 days ago needs to contact their original point of puchase today and tomorrow only and they will recieve a 50% credit to thier purchase!
SCORE!
Wonder how that works if you bought it from the AT&T web site...
Call customer service. They might have to do a return repurchase maneuver.
Thats what the AT&T rep told me when I called in before visiting my local store where I originally purchased the unit.
What if you bought it from a retailer like CompUSA or from a website like Newegg? Will they still offer you a discount on it or do the retailers have to do that?
I spoke to an ATT rep who told me that if I go into any ATT owned store I can redeem the credit. I hope that's true because I bought the phone on my parent's side of town - hours away.
150$ Refund!!!
I called att sales today and they refunded my credit card 150$ however I didnt qualify for the 100$ mail in refund though.
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I called att sales today and they refunded my credit card 150$ however I didnt qualify for the 100$ mail in refund though.
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what did you say to them?!
I went down to the ATT store I bought mine from and I didn't qualify for the 50% off because-
a) I didn't have the data plan added on my phone (39.99 $/month)
I would have qualified if I just added the data plan on for that month BUT it would have screwed up my super mega ultra ridiculously low plan that already has unlimited internet access.
Was anyone able to pull off the half off without having the pda connect plan that is 39.99? If so, can you PM me the phone number of the ATT store so I can call them and see if they will credit me?
Hi there
Haven't been on here for a while (hello everyone), but I thought I'd post a note to say I've just been on the phone to O2 and have ordered my Ignito.
Has anyone else got one through O2 UK yet? What are they like?
I'm currently using a Stella BTW.
Cheers
HPJ
Got mine too..
Just got off the phone with O2, had to go through rententions finally got it for £25/month 600 mins 1000 txts with unlimited web browsing. should be with me tomorrow.
Hey I'm with o2 UK but bought my diamond sim free, they still think I am using my Orbit 2. Just wondered how you managed to get unlimited web bolt on etc for £25, I have been with o2 for years and I pay £37.50 for less calls and less texts.
So has no-one actually got one yet (an XDA Ignito from O2 UK, to avoid any ambiguity)? The guy at O2 who I spoke to said they had only just been released, but I didn't think he meant it literally!
Ordered one for the wife this afternoon. Should be here tomorrow, got tracking details from DHL tonight. All I've got to do now is teach her how to use it, her present phone is a Nokia 3100!!! £25 for 600 mins, 1000 txts and unlimited smurfing. Well pleased!!
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Ordered one for the wife this afternoon. Should be here tomorrow, got tracking details from DHL tonight. All I've got to do now is teach her how to use it, her present phone is a Nokia 3100!!! £25 for 600 mins, 1000 txts and unlimited smurfing. Well pleased!!
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maljay are you a new customer or just renewing your contract?
im think of moving to o2 from orange if they dont give me a decent upgrade deal on the diamond.
Retentions sorted me out nicely, matching the offer i got from Vodafone direct sales. Ordered yesterday afternoon came this morning at 9am
600 mins
1000 txts
Free data bolt on
18months
£20pm
Now need to wait for people to post up how they get rid of this silly O2 software
Not on web
Can't find anything at the O2 website....anyone have a working link?
Not on their site, although they do have the spare battery on there.
best to ring them
just ordered one myself, new to the site, hello btw, just wondering, anyone know best place to grab some good software for it? im pretty clueless atm, I seen some app threads on here, i assume they are what Im looking for??
This is my first renewal of an 18 month contract. Received Ignito 9am this morning. Just need to figure a way of getting back the nice black HTC theme. O2 branding not good but way better than Orange or T-Mobile.
Just ordered mine on o2 will be 3-5 working days but gives me time to get rid of my orbit 2 but on a £30/month contract for 18m but im on the o2 select scheme so upgrade in 15 months
O2 select used to give just a 12 month contract with an upgrade in 9 months....all but finished now according to the guy I spoke to.
Anyway got my Ignito today. Very different from Stellar. Not impressed with the TouchFlo 3D thing....very slow and not particularly intuitive. But the overall size combined with the usual suspects (exchange syncing etc) is great. I've yet to put any music or films on there however. Very much work in progress.
Anyone else's initial thoughts?
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Can't find anything at the O2 website....anyone have a working link?
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It's on the website now but the specs say it has both 4Gb internal storage and MicroSD slot
http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phone/specification/O2/Xda_Ignito
GPS
O2 online makes no mention of built in GPS??? Have they taken it out? I hope not I have just realised after ordering.
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O2 online makes no mention of built in GPS??? Have they taken it out? I hope not I have just realised after ordering.
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O2 XDA Ignito has the GPS included
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O2 XDA Ignito has the GPS included
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thank you
that puts my mind at ease
i tip my hat to you sir
Hi,
Not only GPS but co-pilit as well.
Or so I am told by O2 as i ordered mine on saturday and it should come by Wednesday.
Got mine free with Online 35 (600 mins+1000 text and inc web bolt on)
paying £21 as I have been with O2 for 10 yrs.
Can't wait but hope I have no CP7 issues.
Had Orbit with CP6 and Orbit 2 with CP7, no issues.
Has anyone managed a rom dump backup of Ignito?
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O2 XDA Ignito has the GPS included
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Maljay48 said:
This is my first renewal of an 18 month contract. Received Ignito 9am this morning. Just need to figure a way of getting back the nice black HTC theme. O2 branding not good but way better than Orange or T-Mobile.
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Orange have left the Diamond unbranded - no crappy orange bloatware. The only thing that tells you the phone is Orange is a small logo at the bottom of the back of the phone. This is unusual for Orange though...
XDA Indigo
Got my Indigo about two weeks ago, am long term o2 customer so good deal free phone, 1000 txts, 600mins, unlimted web (subject to fair usage) discounted international calling package & add ons.
Taken me this last couple of weeks to get it how i want it, (previous mobile was XDA Orbit) changed softkey programms etc. So far pretty good apart from hands free speaker phone which is quite, have posted on this issue elsewhere.
Hey Guys!
So the Nexus 4 has been released upon the masses with the first batch of the 16GB being sold out in 22 minutes and the 8GB being sold out a few hours later.
This thread will be a general area for Australian owners and potential owners to hang out, ask questions, get advice and get help quickly and within your time zone.
If anyone helps you or offers you advice don't forget to hit the ":good: Thanks" button in the bottom left corner of their post!
Please let me know if there's any important Australian specific information and I will put it here in the OP!
I'm buying one as soon as we are able to on the 13th. I purchased a nexus 7 on release day from the Google play store and received it 3 days after the funds were taken out of my bank account.
Generally they're pretty good with postage. I wouldn't trade my nexus 7 for anything!
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Hey can any of you guys tell me how I can get the Nexus 4 in New Zealand from Australia? Don't have an Australian credit or debit card, btw.
Also what are the shipping costs and the price of the phone there? (16 GB)
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Also what are the shipping costs and the price of the phone there? (16 GB)
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Not sure about the price to ship to NZ but the shipping cost here for me when it was the N7 launch was $20 2 day shipping.
Will be ordering the nexus 4 day one, 12 midnight on the 13th?or US time.? Still keeping my HTC one x
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I'm from India, but my dad will be visiting Australia soon, and I can't wait for him to bring home a Nexus 4.
If a boxed piece is carried, would we have to pay customs/taxes? Any info on this anyone?
Buying one as soon as it hits the Play Store - my F5 key is unaware of the storm that's coming.
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Same here, really hope that it is going to be released 12am on the 13th which means we will may - if they start shipping that day - have our orders start to be processed before the US even has the option to order hehe..
That is provided they do something similar to the Nexus 7 launch but in a more organised manner. Which I believe is the case.
(ie. Send large amounts of stock to each country that is selling it, wait for them all to get to respective countries, open orders, all send on the same day worldwide.)
I'm getting 16gb model a few days after launch (pay day)
Do they come from an Australian retailer or do our orders get shipped from the US?
My SGS2 has been good to me. My girlfriend will love it! I just can't pass up paying $399 outright for a phone that on paper, is probably the best on the market? You couldn't pay less than $400 for any other phone on our market could you?
Anywhere we can find a silicon case for the nexus4? Google releasing any at launch? Can't find any info
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I'm going to get the 16gb on the 13th also with accessories. Can't wait
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Anywhere we can find a silicon case for the nexus4? Google releasing any at launch? Can't find any info
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Someone in one of the other threads said that this will lauch with a bumper case for the nexus 4
I'm totally buying on the 13th, it just annoys me that I have to pay $40 more than in Canada, considering I've only been here for 2 months... WHY COULDN'T THEY RELEASE IT WITH THE NEXUS 7?!
I'm looking at upgrading from my Galaxy S1 to the Nexus 4 when it comes out. I really don't mind the lack of LTE since I'm on TPG (who don't give access to LTE anyway). I'm pretty sure they do give access to Optus HSPA+ though, which should give me a speed bump from my S1 anyhow.
The only thing I am unsure about is using the Nexus 4 as my main music player, which is one of the main things I use my S1 for, apart from the usual phone and mapping stuff. Registering (through an American proxy) for Google Music and uploading all my music seems like the easiest method of doing this, but I am worried whether all the music streaming I would do would chew through my 1.5GB data allowance per month. Can anyone speak to their experience with music streaming with their monthly data allowance? Any better methods than Google Music in Australia? I've tried Spotify and found they didn't really have all the music I would like to listen to, and their app was still Gingerbread styled... ew.
Another (minor) problem is travelling overseas and having music. Data is too costly if travelling, so I suppose I would be stuck using my S1 while travelling, which I would probably keep as a backup phone anyhow.
I'm going to get this in store rather than on the Play Store since I can't convince my parents to shop online so I'm hoping that JB Hi-Fi will sell this by the end of the month (Does anyone know if it will be in stores next week at all?). Otherwise, can anyone name any stores in Melbourne or Sydney that has a possibility of selling this?
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hey guys im in melbourne, i convinced my dad and hes said he will order it for me on the 13th november. But probably not 12 am maybe in the evening after he goes home from work. How long do u guys think it will take until the nexus 4 stock for australia runs out? I am paranoid that it will run out when I get it (13 november evening) its probably not possible but im just paranoid :/
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I'm getting 16gb model a few days after launch (pay day)
Do they come from an Australian retailer or do our orders get shipped from the US?
My SGS2 has been good to me. My girlfriend will love it! I just can't pass up paying $399 outright for a phone that on paper, is probably the best on the market? You couldn't pay less than $400 for any other phone on our market could you?
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Does this $400 AUD include shipping and taxes?
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Does this $400 AUD include shipping and taxes?
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Nope it doensn't include shipping and tax, 2 days shipping is going to cost roughly 20$
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I'm going to get this in store rather than on the Play Store since I can't convince my parents to shop online so I'm hoping that JB Hi-Fi will sell this by the end of the month (Does anyone know if it will be in stores next week at all?). Otherwise, can anyone name any stores in Melbourne or Sydney that has a possibility of selling this?
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hey guys im in melbourne, i convinced my dad and hes said he will order it for me on the 13th november. But probably not 12 am maybe in the evening after he goes home from work. How long do u guys think it will take until the nexus 4 stock for australia runs out? I am paranoid that it will run out when I get it (13 november evening) its probably not possible but im just paranoid :/
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Soooooon haha
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/11/the-nexus-4-will-likely-hit-store-shelves-soon/
i too will be one of those sad cases that stays up till midnight pressing F5 JUST IN CASE i can order it 8 hours before the next person
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I'm getting 16gb model a few days after launch (pay day)
Do they come from an Australian retailer or do our orders get shipped from the US?
My SGS2 has been good to me. My girlfriend will love it! I just can't pass up paying $399 outright for a phone that on paper, is probably the best on the market? You couldn't pay less than $400 for any other phone on our market could you?
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Not sure but when I pre-ordered the Nexus 7 it said
Purchased from:
Google Asia Pacific Pte. Ltd.
8 Marina View, Asia Square 1 #30-01
Singapore
018960
Singapore
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so I assume it will be sent from the same place meaning 2 to 5 days delivery on average
O2 apparently have the network exclusive on the N5 32Gb in the UK, but they're selling it at a £210 markup!
Crazy that Google are allowing this!
https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/phones/lg/nexus-5/
Boooooooooooooooo!!!
They're just shooting themselves in the foot really. People will just go to Google, type in Nexus 5, see it's only £300 elsewhere and make their purchase there.
What a p*** take!
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They're just shooting themselves in the foot really. People will just go to Google, type in Nexus 5, see it's only £300 elsewhere and make their purchase there.
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We can only hope that anyone buying a SIM free N5 knows what the RRP is from Google (it's in stock on the Play store anyway) and won't be drawn in by this ridiculous pricing that's floating around on O2 and eBay!
Im on their 'Refresh' plan was thinking of upgrading even though i only just got my HTC One in August.
Then i saw this!
£32 on 3G.
£12 for the tariff
£20 for the phone
32x24 = 768 plus one of fee of 49.99
£818 over 2 years
It's ridiculous. I was tempted to get a Nexus 5 from Carphone Warehouse until I found out that they only have 16GB edition. O2 have exclusivity on the 32GB and this allows them to get away with jacking up the price waaay up. Bad O2, very bad.
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Im on their 'Refresh' plan was thinking of upgrading even though i only just got my HTC One in August.
Then i saw this!
£32 on 3G.
£12 for the tariff
£20 for the phone
32x24 = 768 plus one of fee of 49.99
£818 over 2 years
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With a nearly new HTC One, provided you haven't damaged it you should be able to sell it for enough to get a N5 SIM free anyway.
I don't see how o2 can market this as an exclusive when Google is selling it too.. plus the price difference.
Rip-off, plus you end up with a phone hobbled to O2
Sim free via Google ftw!
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Im on their 'Refresh' plan was thinking of upgrading even though i only just got my HTC One in August.
Then i saw this!
£32 on 3G.
£12 for the tariff
£20 for the phone
32x24 = 768 plus one of fee of 49.99
£818 over 2 years
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you'd be better off with nexus 5 from google play and migrate to giffgaff, some money saved and no contract commitment needed.
MAUUUDDNESSS!!!
via Nexus 4
That's extortion! Would rather buy it from play store for £348 and get a 3 £15pm sim only contract, 500mins, ultd texts and net
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Get it on playstore and get Three 12 Month Sim Plan.
For £15 a month you get
2000 minutes
5000 minutes three to three
5000 text
True unlimited internet which is soon to be upgraded to 4G/LTE
Its a bargain at that price!
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It's ridiculous. I was tempted to get a Nexus 5 from Carphone Warehouse until I found out that they only have 16GB edition. O2 have exclusivity on the 32GB and this allows them to get away with jacking up the price waaay up. Bad O2, very bad.
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I read that O2 have exclusivity for 32GB GB on the UK high street, ie not online.
So quite possible it will be available via amazon.co.uk. I'm gonna wait and see and if so buy via amazon as I think I then will have better customer service should I need to return it if its faulty. I know you can return to google but I feel happier dealing with amazon when a physical item is being posted to me.
are they giving away any tv this year?
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With a nearly new HTC One, provided you haven't damaged it you should be able to sell it for enough to get a N5 SIM free anyway.
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I know, and still have cash left over i suspect
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They're just shooting themselves in the foot really. People will just go to Google, type in Nexus 5, see it's only £300 elsewhere and make their purchase there.
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Don't count on it...
I checked ebay last night and there are BIN listings for > £400 for the 16Gb that have sold Nexus 5's in the UK.
The play store has all models in stock, shipped within a week!!!
I'm tempted to purchase 10 of each from Google and chuck them on ebay!
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Don't count on it...
I checked ebay last night and there are BIN listings for > £400 for the 16Gb that have sold Nexus 5's in the UK.
The play store has all models in stock, shipped within a week!!!
I'm tempted to purchase 10 of each from Google and chuck them on ebay!
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I ordered two with the intent of doing this, but availability is so much better than the N4 with it being sold in almost every UK phone outlet.
I think the eBay sales are coming from countries where it isn't available just yet and the hassle of sending there is never worth it for me.