Wouldn't open up a thread for this question but any custom ROM (RECENT EDITIONS) I've tried (NRGZ's, Sergio's, Ark's, Athine's and some others) for several days now have the "dead aka black" screen issue. Tried to find an answer in the original ROM-threads but haven't got any substancial responses. It seems like only few people have these issues. This would make me think the problem is my hardware (German Generic TP2) but the older ROMs of same chefs then run normal and without the dead screen issues.
Please any ideas, solution suggestions or experience share?
Thanks! Ibster
Edit: confirmed solution method described in post# 10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5934002&postcount=10 . Thank you agent 47 big time for the tool you provided!
Ibster said:
Wouldn't open up a thread for this question but any custom ROM (RECENT EDITIONS) I've tried (NRGZ's, Sergio's, Ark's, Athine's and some others) for several days now have the "dead aka black" screen issue. Tried to find an answer in the original ROM-threads but haven't got any substancial responses. It seems like only few people have these issues. This would make me think the problem is my hardware (German Generic TP2) but the older ROMs of same chefs then run normal and without the dead screen issues.
Please any ideas, solution suggestions or experience share?
Thanks! Ibster
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Is this the same as the "Sleep of Death" (SOD)? In which the phone won't wake from sleep/suspend state and has to be soft-reset?
If not, what's the symptom exactly?
MCbrian said:
Is this the same as the "Sleep of Death" (SOD)? In which the phone won't wake from sleep/suspend state and has to be soft-reset?
If not, what's the symptom exactly?
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that's exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know it was called the "sleep of death". I jusst have to softreset the phone all the time. The phone becomes just unuseable.
Ibster said:
that's exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know it was called the "sleep of death". I jusst have to softreset the phone all the time. The phone becomes just unuseable.
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i also experience it on my Tilt 2 AT&T unlocked, so i reverted back to Sense 2.1 Euro 1.86.401.0. any solution there, i bought mine from Negrielectronics USA.
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that's exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know it was called the "sleep of death". I jusst have to softreset the phone all the time. The phone becomes just unuseable.
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i also exprence it on my Tilt 2. is there any help out there
It's because chiefs have updated their XIP. Ask them to cook a rom for you with the old XIP from stock HTC WM6.5 Sense 2.1 rom.
Ach, that's just my theory based on my experience. I might be wrong, so keep that in mind.
I have a similar issue, but not exactly the sleep of death
A lot of times when I unlock the phone, Sense would not show up, only the taskbar and occasionally the bottom bar
Everything is responsive, the taskbar notification works, hardware buttons works, but not the sense part in the middle
This usually happens when I'm having an SMS conversation
I run this setup most of the time:
WM 6.5.x
Sense 2.5
HD mini lockscreen with Smartlock 2.0F or Lockdevice 1.6
Same here on the SMS black screen
ctbear said:
I have a similar issue, but not exactly the sleep of death
A lot of times when I unlock the phone, Sense would not show up, only the taskbar and occasionally the bottom bar
Everything is responsive, the taskbar notification works, hardware buttons works, but not the sense part in the middle
This usually happens when I'm having an SMS conversation
I run this setup most of the time:
WM 6.5.x
Sense 2.5
HD mini lockscreen with Smartlock 2.0F or Lockdevice 1.6
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I just started having this problem with the newest Leo Cell Pro, I have not had it with any NRG or Deep Shinig ROMS though but I do like The cell pro details and the others are not without there faults. I like your screenshots and I can hardly wait for that new white theme to come out. I think it will make my phone so much better outdoors and enhance the Windroid look I am workin on.
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I just started having this problem with the newest Leo Cell Pro, I have not had it with any NRG or Deep Shinig ROMS though but I do like The cell pro details and the others are not without there faults. I like your screenshots and I can hardly wait for that new white theme to come out. I think it will make my phone so much better outdoors and enhance the Windroid look I am workin on.
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Yes....interesting that I've never had this issue on Energy's...my guess is he doesn't cook in the latest HTC SMS client which can be unstable at times
Are you talking about Elcondor's GTX theme? Yes that is a very awesome theme
I couldn't wait until 201x version comes out so I made my own Not as good as GTX but I'm half satisfied now
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I just started having this problem with the newest Leo Cell Pro, I have not had it with any NRG or Deep Shinig ROMS though but I do like The cell pro details and the others are not without there faults. I like your screenshots and I can hardly wait for that new white theme to come out. I think it will make my phone so much better outdoors and enhance the Windroid look I am workin on.
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like i mentioned in the the post#1 I had these problems with almost all recent (last two weeks) custom ROM releases, ROMs of different chefs. Because others or the majority of people don't have any problems with that I thought the reason must be hardware issues. yesterday I saw this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649191 opened by agent_47 where he provides a modified tool:
agent_47 said:
when u flash a rom, you are copying files onto the internal memory (like duh!) but if u repeatadly flash different roms, sometimes files from older version stays behind as when u flash a rom, you just copy and sometimes overwrite files without deleting the older ones. hence at times these older files may create bugs\instability. hardrest donot always fix it.so we use MTTY
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Well I used it and have flashed to Sergio's Leo Cell Evo 6 and I can confirm that I haven't had any "sleep of death" issues, well still haven't and hope I won't have this "SOD" issue anymore. And when I tried this same ROM before I wasn't even able to make a proper configuration and set up the phone because the phone always froze or as soon the screen went off I wasn't able to activate it back without soft reset.
So maybe this is a solution and could help others who also are having this issue of "sleep of death".
Please if you try the tool from the mentioned agent_47's thread, let know us here because it will be very useful for the rest of the users to finally figure out "the dark side" of their phone and fix it.
Cheers, Ibster
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I had this just recently. Funny side was that I installed an official new ROM from HTC which I just updated. Somehow the phone just didn't want to turn on and show the screen. So just like you guys said, hard-reset did the thing but just when the screen went off, same thing happened.
So what I did was wipe/clean or any other name. Practically did the installation of the rom again. Now, the device works normally and without any problems.
Maybe this happens because some old files of older ROMS sayed on the device itself and started making problems. Anyways, check this thread too, maybe it will explain something more: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649191
Or, final explanation. Our Rhodiums have soul inside their little chips and they just simply fu.k with us They tell us they're too tired of so many ROM changes.
I have also had this problem with my two latest official swedish roms (manilla 2.1 and 2.5) cant remember if I had it when I used 6.1. Now I use a cooked rom and still have the issue several times a week. The only thing I had done with my Rhodium before using cooked Rom was flashing hard spl for future use. If its not an inbuilt hardware/software problem from the beginning the only thing I can point at in my case is hard spl?
Originally Posted by agent_47
when u flash a rom, you are copying files onto the internal memory (like duh!) but if u repeatadly flash different roms, sometimes files from older version stays behind as when u flash a rom, you just copy and sometimes overwrite files without deleting the older ones. hence at times these older files may create bugs\instability. hardrest donot always fix it.so we use MTTY
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back with my kaiser you always had to flash back to stock before going to a new ROM no matter what, for just this very reason...
could flashing back to stock be a 'best practice' that we as users should start doing to help with this issue?
I - have had some xperience with the issue in a few ROMS. Im a loyal flasher of Agent 47s masterpieces. And a month or so ago he had like 2 or 3 builds that had this issue. From what I remember he said that he thought it had to do with some sys evrybody was using to cook roms. and after her came out with this diagnosis and "fixed"(i dont know the technical part of what was fixed) this problem it has never happened since. But a good thing I would say to try is in Agents thread about 4 or so pages from the last page(maybe more or less) but close to the last page he posted a .zip file for this mitty fix. and you essentially flash this zip just like a rom then reflash which ever rom you had or a new one and ta da. Ive also heard of people reflashing a stock rom with results from doing so but from what Agent said is flashing a stock rom then back technicaly "shouldnt" do anything and to definately use mitty. But one of the other frequent valkyrie users that I chat with all the time Mcbrian who posted here on the first page has used the stock rom and did have whatever issue he had cured dont remember what that was tho.
UPDATE- Oh I guess that Agent has a thread for Tool29 so you dont have to search through his thread to find it.
I can confirm agent 47 method is working for me. I no longer have the sleep of death. But its only been half a day. I will report back in a few days.
aichemist said:
I can confirm agent 47 method is working for me. I no longer have the sleep of death. But its only been half a day. I will report back in a few days.
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Great! I'm glad to hear your confirmation. I now on my side haven't had a sleep of death for three days on the ROM (Cell Leo V6) that previously, before I used the agent_47's tool, couldn't even start normally at all or had extremely many "sleeps of death". But I also noticed overall improvements even though the speed slows down but there are barely any freezes and stability is much better.
Cheers, Ibster
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I can confirm agent 47 method is working for me. I no longer have the sleep of death. But its only been half a day. I will report back in a few days.
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I did tried agent 47 method at least three times this weekend. I did exactly what agent 47 instructed, flash Energy ROM 23547 with MaxManila = failed to initiated. Flash Tool29 again, reflash Energy ROM 23545 from MicroSD = Failed. Flash Athine OS XTreme = Worked, install MaxManila 3.0 on top of Athine OS Xtreme = Corrupted the manila display. Reflash stock ROM. Flash Deep Shining X.23544 = Worked. Flash Deep Shining X.23547 = Failed.
Look like I can get my phone to work but can't move on from now on! Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!
Thanks
kienkham said:
I did tried agent 47 method at least three times this weekend. I did exactly what agent 47 instructed, flash Energy ROM 23547 with MaxManila = failed to initiated. Flash Tool29 again, reflash Energy ROM 23545 from MicroSD = Failed. Flash Athine OS XTreme = Worked, install MaxManila 3.0 on top of Athine OS Xtreme = Corrupted the manila display. Reflash stock ROM. Flash Deep Shining X.23544 = Worked. Flash Deep Shining X.23547 = Failed.
Look like I can get my phone to work but can't move on from now on! Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!
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I'm not very clear about what you mean by failed. Do you mean you can't flash some of the ROMs or you get screens of death with them?
What I did was this: I took out the SD card. Ran the tool29 modified by agent_47 (see post 10 of this thread). After the tool finished cleaning all internal memory the phone went back on but got stuck in loading. I took the battery out of phone for few seconds and then put it back in. Then I connected the USB cable to the phone and started it in the bootloader mode by quickly pressing and releasing the switch button and then hitting the volume down. On the tricolor screen then it shows USB. Then I just flashed my ROM of choice normally with USB without need to flash from SD. I've done this several time with several ROMs without problems.
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I'm not very clear about what you mean by failed. Do you mean you can't flash some of the ROMs or you get screens of death with them?
What I did was this: I took out the SD card. Ran the tool29 modified by agent_47 (see post 10 of this thread). After the tool finished cleaning all internal memory the phone went back on but got stuck in loading. I took the battery out of phone for few seconds and then put it back in. Then I connected the USB cable to the phone and started it in the bootloader mode by quickly pressing and releasing the switch button and then hitting the volume down. On the tricolor screen then it shows USB. Then I just flashed my ROM of choice normally with USB without need to flash from SD. I've done this several time with several ROMs without problems.
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Thanks for quick response. Yes. I did exactly what you spelled out in the message. i.e: Remove the memory card, Run Tool29, remove the battery, got into the bootloader mode, then flashed with USB connection. The phone went to the initial setup, I clicked the T-Mobile connection ....etc... then it restart - then stopped at "Launching HTC Sense...." This is = failed for me. i.e: Failed to clean the internal memory!
By the way, if the internal memory is cleaned, shouldn't the Start->Setting->Device Information->Software Information: Incoming Call & Outgoing Call reset to 0?
Thanks
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Thanks for quick response. Yes. I did exactly what you spelled out in the message. i.e: Remove the memory card, Run Tool29, remove the battery, got into the bootloader mode, then flashed with USB connection. The phone went to the initial setup, I clicked the T-Mobile connection ....etc... then it restart - then stopped at "Launching HTC Sense...." This is = failed for me. i.e: Failed to clean the internal memory!
By the way, if the internal memory is cleaned, shouldn't the Start->Setting->Device Information->Software Information: Incoming Call & Outgoing Call reset to 0?
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Your steps should be
1. Shutdown tp2..
2. Remove memory card( I also removed sim card).
3. Turn on tp2, connect through the computer through active sync.
4. Run task 29. Let it load flash, whatever it is doing until it actually reboots.
5. At this point, everything should be cleaned, you don't have a rom or radio anymore, so its blank, so you "pull battery out."
6. Put memory card/sim card back in. Flash radio through boot whatever menu. Soft reset it yourself. Pull battery out again.
7. Flash rom this time, and soft reset it again. Now rom should start setting up.
This shouldn't be rocket science.
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Okay, I've searched and can't find this problem but hopefully somebody may have some ideas.
Quite frequently, I lose the top line of my display (the one with the start button and the system status icons). Everything else works but that line just disappears.
If I then lock the device it comes back. When I unlock it, it sometimes stays but sometimes disappears again once it's unlocked and I then have to turn my phone off and back on again.
I have a standard Orange UK phone, standard ROM and I've used some of the performance tweaks listed here. I've also disabled Touchflo and am using spb diary as my home page.
Anybody any ideas because this is driving me mad?
I had the same, but only when TF3D was deactivated. Since I use it again, it doesn't happen anymore...
It happens on my Orange diamond as well - stock 1.37 rom with TF3D enabled.
It seems to happen once every 4-5 days, and doesn't really have a pattern. Sometimes it's switching between Today and Second Today, sometimes it's rotating, sometimes it's unlocking etc..
flash a new ROM
Hello there.
Well i just recommend you to flash a new cooked ROM. I havent seen this behavior with a cooked ROM.
Best regards.
Well, at least it isn't just me but does anybody have any idea what causes the problem and how it can be solved.
Could it be something to do with glyph memory?
I used to see this sometimes on the orange rom. Since flashing a cooked rom makes the device twice as fast - and removes that problem - I would just flash it.
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I used to see this sometimes on the orange rom. Since flashing a cooked rom makes the device twice as fast - and removes that problem - I would just flash it.
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I know it's the wrong forum to say this but I'm just a bit scared to flash it because I've never done it before.
I'm worried about either a) bricking it or b) losing some setting that Orange put in to connect to their network (voice, data, voice mail etc).
Hi
I've had a similar Problem!
It seems to happen when I take the phone out of sleep cos I've got a text and its locked (I've set it for 30min).
I press the power button but the screen only half lights and the top line doesn't display. It sometimes says 'password' in the top left but does nothing if I press it.
I can slide along the bottom line but it doesn't work properly.
Interestingly I also have a Orange Diamond 1.37 ROM (which I've unlocked).
I'm gonna flash with HTC's ROM from there site and I'll let everyone know if the problem persists.
Wish me luck
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Hi
I've had a similar Problem!
It seems to happen when I take the phone out of sleep cos I've got a text and its locked (I've set it for 30min).
I press the power button but the screen only half lights and the top line doesn't display. It sometimes says 'password' in the top left but does nothing if I press it.
I can slide along the bottom line but it doesn't work properly.
Interestingly I also have a Orange Diamond 1.37 ROM (which I've unlocked).
I'm gonna flash with HTC's ROM from there site and I'll let everyone know if the problem persists.
Wish me luck
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And what happened?
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Sorry for the delay. I tried the HTC site ROM but it just gave me a message saying 'Sorry, this software download is not suitable for your device'.
So it looks like i'm stuck cos its still doing it about once a day just have to switch of and on again.
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Sorry for the delay. I tried the HTC site ROM but it just gave me a message saying 'Sorry, this software download is not suitable for your device'.
So it looks like i'm stuck cos its still doing it about once a day just have to switch of and on again.
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Okay. I still have the problem and am very, very tempted to try flashing a new ROM (and Radio). But I just can't quite work up the courage to do it since I've never done it before and it's the fear of the unknown.
dastewart said:
Well, at least it isn't just me but does anybody have any idea what causes the problem and how it can be solved.
Could it be something to do with glyph memory?
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This happens to me too. I have a T-Mobile Compact IV.
I've found that using FreeUP RAM (part of SKTools) not only releases memory, but also fixes this problem (until the next time it happens, which admittedly is not often).
Just wanted to say that I've upgraded my Orange ROM to the new 1.93 and I haven't had this problem....yet.
2 days without problems so I thought it may be safe to post.
IVe also had this on 1.37.x.x on my mda cmpct IV. Like everyone on here Im considering flashing but Im waiting for t-mobile to release an update (they keep telling me the will, presummably the 1.93.x.x) so that if I then brick the puppy - I can blame it on there rom upgrade.
I want this phone to be better, I know it can be with a ROM change...but I dont want to brick it and for once in my life will have some patience to wait.
I have to reboot my Tilt daily b/c it becomes uber slow. It takes FOREVER to respond to anything. Some things don't even respond. I have taken off everything that wasn't stock. Even reset the phone back to factory settings. I'm on WM6.1 the ONLY program I have running is Active Sync and I have to have that running for work.
I emailed HTC and they said to upgrade to 6.1 to which I told them I already was and they never responded. Is there an app to reboot my phone every day at a certain time? I'm about to throw this thing in the trash.
This is my 2nd one doing the exact same thing.
Oh wait... Can I volunteer my trash can?? I have never had that problem. But then I don't run stock ROMs.
So, if I upgrade my ROM it could potentially fix the isuue? Got a recommendation on a ROM to run? I'm not to up on that stuff.
First step: Flashing your First Rom (For Noobs) "read read & read again"
With regards to ROM choice it's a personal choice and you will find the ROM you like.
Take a read of the ROM threads.
stylez said:
First step: Flashing your First Rom (For Noobs) "read read & read again"
With regards to ROM choice it's a personal choice and you will find the ROM you like.
Take a read of the ROM threads.
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Sweet, thanks!
I never had this issue, and i'm running the HTC stock ROM.
Well, I finally said screw it and decided to quit being a wuss and install a ROM. I wanted to try the HyperDragon IV, but the download link wouldn't work. So, I did this one http://sakajati.com/blogs/2008/11/hyperdragon-iii-raphael/
Been up and running for about an hour. Just getting my exchange email accounts finished and populating. So far so good. We'll see how long between reboots I can go.
Thanks for the suggestions guys.
you should reboot daily anyhow
I have had my TyTN II with stock rom for over a year now and I have never had to reboot without it being my fault, ie. installing something that doesn't agree with my device. Mine runs happily along all the time.
I have SK Tools installed and with it comes FreeupRam, which I run periodically to....well....free up ram...hehehehe.
Often some plugins do not agree with our devices, causing havoc, resets etc. This was my problem at one time. Now I am running Spb Mobile Shell and it is sweet, snappy and I have it customised just the way I like it. I found that phoneAlarm and HTC Home Customiser were the biggest culprits. Since I removed them and started using Spb Mobile Shell, I do not have those problems.
I also recommend that you purchase a programme called SafeMode. You set the time in seconds to boot into safe mode. It displays when the splash screen appears. This has saved me lots of frustration and unnecessary resets.
Here is the URL where you can buy it and it is well worth the US$12.95!!!
http://monocube.com/index.php?optio...atid=35:windows-mobile-professional&Itemid=56
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i never had this problem, i may restart my kaiser after 10 days or more, i am using Athenos WM6.1 ROM
Nope... My last flashing/hard reset was about 4 months ago, I have ~40 programs installed and don't usually reboot more than once every 1-2 weeks, unless it's because I've installed/uninstalled/changed something that requires me to.
Using original stock 6 ROM, no need to reboot. But i noticed that from time to time Kaiser just turns off, wtf?
Is that because of the ROM i'm using, anyone with similar experience?
phone goes off, no questions asked. I tried to shake sim card holder, suspecting it has something to do with it. Sometimes i have to remove battery for a while, then hold reset with stylus, then to turn it off. Can it be fixed maybe, or will flashing help?
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dakipro said:
Using original stock 6 ROM, no need to reboot. But i noticed that from time to time Kaiser just turns off, wtf?
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Could your power button be sticky, or jammed?
Well, I didn't notice, it just sits on the desk, and goes off, then sometimes i just press power and it turns on, sometimes reset button needs to be pushed and/or battery removed, then just power button and it goes on again. I was suspecting most on sim holder, but testing it with fingers couldn't produce similar error. I'm really considering moving to athenes rom, but must figure out backup system in case i want to go back to stock with current settings and programs.
Hi Guys,
I suppose one good thing to come out of me constantly finding my HD dead after it being on standby for a few hours (it seems intermittent) is that it seems many others are having similar issues.
Can people post their findings to the following question so we can help the community at large narrow down the issue:
When your device hangs/freezes, is it in standby or in use?
If the unit is in Standby, are you using Manila 2.5 or an earlier version?
Which WM version are you using? (6.1 of 6.5)
Have you unticked the "Today timeout" on the Today Settings screen?
My experiences are as follows:
I have only seen this since I have been using a 6.5 ROM
I have only seen this since I have been using Manila 2.5 (i think)
I install only a small number of applications
I have used both MyPhone and PIM Backup to restore info
oh and finally, it's bloody annoying!!!
If anyone has any information as to what could be causing this please post. I'm sure we'd all give our left nut to get this fixed?
This does seem to be an issue that effects some and not others, I had it happen a few times but after flashing back to an official ROM then back to custom (including SPL) I have using custom ROMs for a while now without this occuring again.
Flashmore, thanks for your input. Can you state what steps you followed for others?
Glad to hear someone else is also having the same problem, and that it doesn't sould like a hardware issue.
I have recently been trying to figure out what is causing the lock-ups.
It doesn't happen with WM 6.1 roms.
Always happens is standby, with screen off I think. Nearly always when charging and power off then on using power buttin.
Seems to be happening to me wth WM 6.5 Manila 2.5 or earlier.
Nothing changed for the today timeout.
Using apps that come with rom, nothing extra.
Going back to WM 6.1 until a cure is found.
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Glad to hear someone else is also having the same problem, and that it doesn't sould like a hardware issue.
I have recently been trying to figure out what is causing the lock-ups.
It doesn't happen with WM 6.1 roms.
Always happens is standby, with screen off I think. Nearly always when charging and power off then on using power buttin.
Seems to be happening to me wth WM 6.5 Manila 2.5 or earlier.
Nothing changed for the today timeout.
Using apps that come with rom, nothing extra.
Going back to WM 6.1 until a cure is found.
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I'm attempting to systematically find out what the problem is by installing the same programs each flash with the exception of one. The first attempt was to move back to Manila 2.1 - so far so good but I'm expecting the same to happen at some point.
I want a good ROM, but I'm more bothered about not missing an emergency phone call because my phone is dead!
Hi all.
I'm not sure if this is actually related since when I experienced these so called "lock ups" my phone hard reset and corrupted the SD card as well. This happened two times with HD and once with Diamond2. Both phones with WM6.5.
I'm using corporate exchange and get enforced a device lock policy. I noticed that each time the device froze it was displaying the "classic" device lock number keyboard although the "default" (the new wm6.5) lock was selected.
Anyway, both phones have been working perfectly with WM6.5 and manilla 2.5 after I have started to use the ugly "classic" lock screen.
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i think this is a conflict about the option ''turn off the backlight'' if you disabled it (on battery power and on external power) the problem disappear. i don´t know why it happes but this is my solution (since the revision 9...)
gallegus said:
i think this is a conflict about the option ''turn off the backlight'' if you disabled it (on battery power and on external power) the problem disappear. i don´t know why it happes but this is my solution (since the revision 9...)
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That's interesting. I might try that.
I have been on Manila 2.1 for a few days and so far so good though.
I'm on WM 6.5 w/ Manila 2.1 for a couple of days and it has happened to me too.
I just tried disabling the options for turning off backlight and turning off phone. Hopefully this "fixes" the problem.
Check this thread, same subject, more details !
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As said by Kostas66 above me. I guess this thread will soon get a lock...
As per post#10 & 11, please use this thread for future posts
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** Please check post #2 first. It looks like we have found a solution. **
We don't reprimand anyone for asking questions, so feel free to ask (preferably after reading or searching the thread) if you have doubts.
I'm starting this thread in the hope that we can determine and find a cure for the lockup issue some of us have been dealing with in the later Manila 2.5 version ROMs.
This is something I've been trying to deal with for some time now and it seems more widespread than people realize from the number of posts by users who have had this issue.
Let me explain my definition of "lockup":
1- It always happens when the device is in sleep mode, never while it's used.
2- Never happens with stock ROM or Manila 2.1, only on Manila 2.5.
3- It's random, could happen any time of the day, in any frequency.
4- It's more likely to happen with some ROMs than others, leading me to believe it is related to the ingredients used in the kitchen (that is: operating system/software ) The "lockups" will start within the first 24 hours and possibly become more frequent over time.
5- It's highly unlikely that any sw installation is responsible for this (NeoS2007_Driverpack_3 excluded, I haven't done sufficient testing with it)
6- When the "lockup" occurs, the screen lights up (you can see it does in the dark) but the device is unresponsive. If you wait for a while, the home screen appears but the device is unresponsive. The only way out is taking the battery out or doing a soft reset.
7- Using MTTY or flashing a stock ROM may help fix other problems but does not help for this specific case, the "lockup" will still occur.
8- It's entirely possible (but hard to determine) that hardware may be an issue here. The fact that some people always have this problem and others don't, may be due to different hardware revisions, if there are any.
9- This problem is very specific and never leads to a hard reset.
10- When the lockup has occurred, people calling may hear the phone ringing but the HD remains unresponsive and there is no call logged, so at least the radio section is working.
Please post you experience with this issue, including the ROM involved, and any action you have taken that leads to a solution.
Please also mention whether you flash using SD card or from the PC. Since none of my SD cards work, I always have to flash using my PC, so that is something I need more info on.
Please read this post to be uptodate on the latest situation with this issue
Quite a number of new sys versions seem to be causing lockups on most HDs. This is a sys problem and is not related to the lockup with the video drivers but is related to the OS version. If you are using a ROM with a new sys version and are having lockups, just switch to another ROM with a different sys version.
As the number of pages in the thread started to increase, I want to post a summary of our findings here.
As stated numerous times, not everyone suffers from this problem but the number of people who do suffer seems to be much more than I originally thought.
Please remember that we are talking about a very specific kind of lockup here as explained in post #1.
So far, our findings indicate that it is a combination of conditions that cause this issue. If Manila 2.5 and the Neo's Driver pack are used together, this lockup will occur on those HDs that are prone to this issue.
mnet has prepared a cab that effectively deletes the driver pack and restores stock drivers. If you are having this problem on a Manila 2.5 ROM, you should try this. Needless to say, before trying this, you should have already tried the recommended cures, like flashing a stock ROM or using MTTY.
You can't actually delete the files cooked in the ROM, only replace them...Some dlls from Neos drivers remain in the windows folder, however they are no longer used due to registry modifications.
Several users who have been suffering from this lockup have confirmed that after applying mnet's cab to uninstall the Neo's Driver Pack, the lockups have stopped. So, it's a definite cure.
Cab to remove Neo's Driver Pack.
Also, please check this post. It may be worth giving it a try if you have unexplained lockups.
The Topaz D3DM drivers also seem to be causing lockups, confirmed by other users.
Mikenificent BlackStone TestDrivers seem to be safe. I tested for a few days and no lockups occurred.
sounds like an app conflict, I have run WM6.5.x for many weeks now without any lockups.
homer285 said:
sounds like an app conflict, I have run WM6.5.x for many weeks now without any lockups.
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Can also agree with Homer above. Haven't experienced this lockup mate and I've tried nearly all wm6.5 manila 2.5 roms out there.
If others could post their experiences it would maybe help narrow this issue down. Does this happen on a bare rom or after certain apps are installed?
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Can also agree with Homer above. Haven't experienced this lockup mate and I've tried nearly all wm6.5 manila 2.5 roms out there.
If others could post their experiences it would maybe help narrow this issue down. Does this happen on a bare rom or after certain apps are installed?
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I was experiencing this only on 23xxx, 28xxx etc builds and I flashed a ship ROM and I have yet to have it happen again. Of course I'm on new builds since then too.
It is a very puzzling issue though and I hope we can bring it to light.
I only had this with Dutty and Miri's 21xxx series with Manila 2.5.
Once I went to 28xxx series, from PDAViet, Energy etc, this hasn't happend again.
So I'm guessing its WM6.5 21xxx and 23xxx related rather then manila.
Also, it happens far less when you use a lightweight (short and low bitrate) sound for notification.
It seemed to happen for me whenever the "new mail" or "new sms" notification was supposed to sound.
When putting a very short sound, it stopped freezing. When putting back a long sound, it would freeze up more often.
bobsbbq said:
I was experiencing this only on 23xxx, 28xxx etc builds and I flashed a ship ROM and I have yet to have it happen again. Of course I'm on new builds since then too.
It is a very puzzling issue though and I hope we can bring it to light.
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A number of people have stated that they get issues with cooked roms (while others don't) if they are constant flashers, and the common solution would be to flash a shipped rom and then back to cooked. As I stated above I've been fortunate enough not to experience this so haven't had the need to flash a shipped rom. But from reading users issues this isn't a clear cut problem as it doesn't affect everyone
homer285 said:
sounds like an app conflict, I have run WM6.5.x for many weeks now without any lockups.
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I've ruled that out. I always install the same set of applications, same email etc.
Never have this issue on stock ROM or Manila 2.1 ROM, only on later M2.5 ROMs, so it has to be related to M2.5 somehow.
Xannytech has been very helpful, comparing ROMs where I had this issue with a few ROMs where I don't have it, it seems that the problematic ROMs are larger in size. So perhaps there is a problem with the NAND memory and the bigger size ROMs use it whereas the smaller size ROMs do not use it. This is the reason why I mentioned hw revision as a possible cause.
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Does this happen on a bare rom or after certain apps are installed?
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It does happen on a bare ROM, no data sync, no SD card, no applications installed. Just flash a new ROM and wait, it will happen.
I guess it would be OK to mention here that currently the only ROMs where I don't have this issue is with Miri's ROMs (which are smaller in size than others).
wow.. luckily i came through this topic before i sent my HD for repairs.. and i thought it was the touch screen that has malfunctioned..
u are right, it only happens when the device wakes up from sleep.. if ur lucky, u could press half the screen and re-calibrate the screen.. if ur not, then hard reset is the only way for u to re-calibrate ur screen..
currently using;
GridLeo 1.7 (1.2.5.30),
OS (5.2.21869)
Manila 2.5.19201130.0,
Radio (1.14.25.24)
termignoni said:
wow.. luckily i came through this topic before i sent my HD for repairs.. and i thought it was the touch screen that has malfunctioned..
u are right, it only happens when the device wakes up from sleep.. if ur lucky, u could press half the screen and re-calibrate the screen.. if ur not, then hard reset is the only way for u to re-calibrate ur screen..
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This doesn't appear to be the same issue. If you take the battery out and restart your HD, things should get back to normal - for a while. This never leads to a hard reset.
For your case, I suggest you flash a stock ROM and test with it for a while.
makbil said:
This doesn't appear to be the same issue. If you take the battery out and restart your HD, things should get back to normal - for a while. This never leads to a hard reset.
For your case, I suggest you flash a stock ROM and test with it for a while.
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As you say, removing the battery or soft reset resolves the issue, but not for long before it happens again (unresponsive screen after sleep, but backlight lights up when i tap the screen)..
this is what is going on with my HD.. until one day, even after soft reset, i could not enter my pin or even access the calibration screen as i could only "tap" the top half of the screen..
after many soft resets, i could only "tap" the top half.. hard reset resolved my problem until a couple of days back, where the problem seems to start again.. this has been going on since last month, and out of the blue..
termignoni said:
As you say, removing the battery or soft reset resolves the issue, but not for long before it happens again (unresponsive screen after sleep, but backlight lights up when i tap the screen)..
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I never got as far as having to do a hard reset but I guess it is possible after extended use.
I recommend you flash a stock ROM, use it for a while. When you are sure you don't get the lockups any more, flash your favorite custom ROM again. This should prove that the culprit is ROM related and not a hw problem with your HD.
makbil said:
I never got as far as having to do a hard reset but I guess it is possible after extended use.
I recommend you flash a stock ROM, use it for a while. When you are sure you don't get the lockups any more, flash your favorite custom ROM again. This should prove that the culprit is ROM related and not a hw problem with your HD.
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i suspect it's a ROM issue as well, as i never had this issue with any other ROMs with the old Manila.. i'm gonna flash to the stock ROM tonite and see how things go.. but even so, i might take more than a week before it's showing signs of mis-calibration..
termignoni said:
i'm gonna flash to the stock ROM tonite and see how things go.. but even so, i might take more than a week before it's showing signs of mis-calibration..
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If you do have this problem on a stock ROM, then definitely it's a different problem. Just remember to flash the stock ROM by running the executable and not through running the BlackstoneRUUWrapper + nbh file manually.
I've had this problem for the past couple of months whatever Rom i use and whatever software i install.However, I did the MTTY thing to clear ALL the memory then reinstalled my favourite cooked rom (Xannytech ROM Grid Evo Turbo 1.6 (Internal Rel. 3.2.5.48)) and have had no problems for 2 days! hooray.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540290
bodgeman said:
I've had this problem for the past couple of months whatever Rom i use and whatever software i install.However, I did the MTTY thing to clear ALL the memory then reinstalled my favourite cooked rom (Xannytech ROM Grid Evo Turbo 1.6 (Internal Rel. 3.2.5.48)) and have had no problems for 2 days! hooray.
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any reference to this "MTTY thing" u did? i might give a try 1st..
bodgeman said:
I did the MTTY thing to clear ALL the memory then reinstalled my favourite cooked rom (Xannytech ROM Grid Evo Turbo 1.6 (Internal Rel. 3.2.5.48)) and have had no problems for 2 days! hooray.
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I also did the MTTY thing but had the lockup within 24 hours on Xanny's Evo 1.6. Keep a close eye on this, if you don't have it within a few days your problem may have been cured
Didi you flash from SD card or from the PC?
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any reference to this "MTTY thing" u did? i might give a try 1st..
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Here . My results are on page 50.
makbil said:
Here . My results are on page 50.
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thank you..
btw, this time i flashed using PC instead of the SD card..
one more thing to add, the first time i did my hard reset, i restored my device using PIMBackup (restored everything).. within 24hrs, it happened again..
the 2nd hard reset, i restored only my Contacts and till now (after 3weeks), only it's starting to happen again..
i don't know bout u, but this is how it's happening to me..
- at first, u'll notice a slight mis-calibration while typing an sms or selecting something (after screen calibration, everything went fine)
- then, after a few days, same thing happens (can't tap the bottom part, soft reset and screen calibration solved this)
- and today, after my device woke up on sms, i could not unlock (using the default WM6.5 lock screen - had to soft reset twice, then calibrate screen)
Hi,
i'm new here, so i might seem a bit dumb and sorry for my bad english.
anyway, i tried using search, but i only found this SOD thing and that's not exactly what i have got. the thing is that my X1 freezes randomly. i.e. i put it charging for the night and when i wake up in the morning, my X1's screen is all lit up.
another example is when i just pull it out my pocket to check the time, it's either in SOD or same as the above: lit up and frozen.
when this occurs, the X1 is very warm and it doesn't respond to screen/button presses, the only thing that works is that small reset button in the back or pulling out the battery.
i don't really know, what is important and what's not, so if you ask, i can provide additional details. thanks for your help in advance.
it might help if you provide your current firmware (and version) and a list of apps you installed additionally and when it started (e.g. after installing xy|flashing rom xy|tweaking reg key xy|..., but as of now it just sounds weird
well, i'm currently on this Evilash Leo ROM and i haven't installed much programs, because i'm looking for a fast and stable ROM.
OS version: 5.2.21056 (21056.1.6.9)
Manila version: 2.5.20121412.2
ROM version: 1.05.911.15 WWE
ROM date: 09/10/09
Radio version: 1.14.25.55
Protocol version 52.65.25.34U
currently i have only installed Opera Mobile browser, version 10.00
the problem started when i started flashing my phone. my first ROM was from Valkyrie, but it had some issues with displaying stuff on screen (phone lock icon, scroll bars etc.).
then i switched to Energy ROM and on that ROM this problem occurred for the first time.
at first i thought that it was because i used XperiaTweak and Advanced Config, but when i reset all values to their defaults and even tried reflashing, the problem persisted.
i have never touched the registry.
my usual set of programs includes (newest versions available):
Opera Mobile browser
Skyfire browser
Resco Radio
OpnMarket
Microsoft Marketplace
Julien Manici WiFi Remote Access
my first suspicion would be it could be rom specific, but as it started with NRGZ's and I'm a regular visitor there I can't remember hearing of similar occurrences
what you might try is flash back to latest stock rom, then reflash the custom rom of your choice and see if that helps
I hear that helps for some specific problems after flashing custom roms, I can't guarantee it will help you, but it might be worth a try
apart from that I can't come up with something more intelligent, maybe I get another idea
cheers
can i flash to any stock ROM, or it needs to be the same language as it was on this phone initially? and how do i exactly flash to a stock ROM? just change the name to KOVSIMG and the extension to .nrg (currently it's .image) and do as with any custom ROM?
i also wanted to ask whether i need to do something specific before/after flashing a custom ROM that i might have forgotten or use some programs/format my memory card etc.?
drizzy said:
can i flash to any stock ROM, or it needs to be the same language as it was on this phone initially? and how do i exactly flash to a stock ROM? just change the name to KOVSIMG and the extension to .nrg (currently it's .image) and do as with any custom ROM?
i also wanted to ask whether i need to do something specific before/after flashing a custom ROM that i might have forgotten or use some programs/format my memory card etc.?
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I would try the generic one for your country, if there is one
rename it to KOVSIMG.nbh only if you flash sd method
backup your personal data
you might consider task29 from agent, but read the des and last pages of the thread carefully before you decide
well, i did as you suggested. didn't quite understand how to backup stuff with UC and Sashimi, but i found this app called SKTools, which got the job done.
after that, i have once encountered this strange thing, which is hard to describe. something like all my screen colors became different shades of white or something. i could still use the phone though, so i just did a soft reset.
the freezing problem occurred a couple times too, but i think that this time it was the ROM (correct me if i'm wrong). currently i'm using the Evilash Leo ROM and when i scrolled to the Twitter page, pressed the "All Tweets" button and scrolled to either my mentions, direct messages or favorites it showed nothing and a couple secons later it froze the way i mentioned in the first post of the topic.
other than that, no random freezing yet (i flashed this ROM at about 2 PM, and right now it's 11 PM here). Thanks for the help!
drizzy said:
well, i did as you suggested. didn't quite understand how to backup stuff with UC and Sashimi, but i found this app called SKTools, which got the job done.
after that, i have once encountered this strange thing, which is hard to describe. something like all my screen colors became different shades of white or something. i could still use the phone though, so i just did a soft reset.
the freezing problem occurred a couple times too, but i think that this time it was the ROM (correct me if i'm wrong). currently i'm using the Evilash Leo ROM and when i scrolled to the Twitter page, pressed the "All Tweets" button and scrolled to either my mentions, direct messages or favorites it showed nothing and a couple secons later it froze the way i mentioned in the first post of the topic.
other than that, no random freezing yet (i flashed this ROM at about 2 PM, and right now it's 11 PM here). Thanks for the help!
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you are welcome, though nothing much done on my part
you think the rom might cause probs so I can only advice on checking the respective rom thread for similar reports, if you find them it might confirm your suspicion and even lead to a solution, if you find nothing post your experience there and check for feedback, maybe it got encountered but not reported yet and if it turns out that you are the only one using that rom suffering this problems it probably isn't rom related and you are still looking for a conclusion, but at least you can discard one possibility
gl anyway and have fun
cheers