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Orange HomeScreen

Ok well no one seems to be replying to my question about dumping my orange rom so lets try this instead.
How would i go about saving my orange homescreen so i can put it back once i have upgraded my m700 to the dopod rom.
Or, am i being stupid coz im sort of thinking that maybe the orange customization that runs on first setup is in the ext rom which will stay behind on the upgrade and i will therefore get all my orange stuff still
????? dont really know
Please help i really wanna upgrade my rom but i keep backing out until i can get these things sorted.
thanks all.
Rob

rjefferis said:
Or, am i being stupid coz im sort of thinking that maybe the orange customization that runs on first setup is in the ext rom which will stay behind on the upgrade and i will therefore get all my orange stuff still
????? dont really know
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In the extROM of GPS enabled ROM, I can see this file : PT_WA_Abaxia.CAB which is related to this Orange customization. But I think that some parts of this Today plug'in are embedded with the OS itself.

rjefferis said:
Ok well no one seems to be replying to my question about dumping my orange rom so lets try this instead.
How would i go about saving my orange homescreen so i can put it back once i have upgraded my m700 to the dopod rom.
Or, am i being stupid coz im sort of thinking that maybe the orange customization that runs on first setup is in the ext rom which will stay behind on the upgrade and i will therefore get all my orange stuff still
????? dont really know
Please help i really wanna upgrade my rom but i keep backing out until i can get these things sorted.
thanks all.
Rob
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On my Dopod rom I'm using the orange customisation from the Hermes ,the cab is HERMES_RO_BUILD_93_CLOCK.CAB,and it's working quite well except for the speed dial.
I think that the abaxia cab our friend mentions in the previous post should do the job.

sammis said:
the cab is HERMES_RO_BUILD_93_CLOCK.CAB
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How big is this file ?
mine is around 100KB I think (I'm at work now, can't check how big it is exactly)

Hi everyone.
in my ext rom on my trinity i have the file PT_WA_Abaxia. I order to test whether my ext rom had the correct stuff i hard reset my hermes and installed my trininty ext rom but this didnt seem to install the homescreen. Saying that though it wouldnt let me run the autorun so i had to install the cabs individually.
The hermes homescreen is older than the trinity one. I have never been a big fan of the orange homescreen but the trinity one is quite nice. You can add vip contacts which show up straight in the homescreen rather than having to use the speeddial thing, the background pic changes depending on whether the phone is on silent, vidrate or ring. All in all a but nicer than the hermes one.

more testing
right on my hermes which was factory settings including all orange customization i tried installing the cab PT_WA_Abaxia. didnt seem to do a huge amount.
I then renamed the old DIL_APP folder and copied this folder from my trinity.
I also copied the DIL_PLUGIN.dll from the windows folder on my trinity onto my hermes. Then i soft reset and my trinity homescreen is now on my hermes and all works fine.
So now i need to know how to get my trinity homescreen onto my trinity without the original orange customization.
When i was playing with my hermes last night i tried not installing the orange customization as this then seemed to allow phonepad to work. I then tried the same steps as i did above and i could get the homescreen to show up in the list. Therefore i can only assume that i would need to run the hermes cab to install the original orange screen and then rename it and stuff like i did above.
So in summary, i would need to save the hermes homescreen cab, and the dil folder and the dll file of my trinity. Flash my trinity with the dopod rom. Install the hermes homescreen using the cab. Rename the folder and copy the trinity one across and copy the dll file into the windows folder and all should be done.
Anyone got a better way, while i go off and test my theory.

Super Sheep said:
How big is this file ?
mine is around 100KB I think (I'm at work now, can't c
heck how big it is exactly)[/
You can find the cab (304kb) in the Hermes FTP extended rom section and in the Orange_M31_00_14.123.1.614_extrom
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thanks for that, i saved it off the hermes. getting good at this unhiding my ext rom malarky.
anyway. i tested my plan and it worked on my hermes.
I hard reset
didnt do orange ext
installed the cab file HERMES_UK_BUILD_93_CLOCK
renamed the dil folder and copied the trinity one in
copied the dll into the windows folder
and hey presto
porbably a bit of a long winded way but it worked.

Hi,
How are you sure Orange wont know yourve flashed the rom?
Also how do you prevent the orange customization after hard reset on the trinity?
Thanks
Warny

well this is the problem. If orange check then they will know we have flashed the rom. That is why i want to be able to re flash back to the orange rom if i need to.
Easiest way to stop the customization on any device is to soft reset just before it starts, when windows loads up the first time on it you will see a little window saying customization will start in 3 sec or something. Just soft reset then and the customization will not run.
So far though i havent found any real reason not to run it on the trinity though. If i dont run it on my hermes at least i can get phonepad to work but no such luck on the trinity.

just to clarify, this post
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I hard reset
didnt do orange ext
installed the cab file HERMES_UK_BUILD_93_CLOCK
renamed the dil folder and copied the trinity one in
copied the dll into the windows folder
and hey presto
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was testing that if we flashed to the dopod rom which has phonepad built in, this is how we could get our orange home screen back.
The second line about not doing the orange ext was really just proof of concept that the process would work even if we didnt have the ext rom installed.
I dont know whether we will loose the orange ext rom when we update to the dopod rom but this was proving that even if we do we can still get all the orange customization back again.

rjefferis said:
well this is the problem. If orange check then they will know we have flashed the rom. That is why i want to be able to re flash back to the orange rom if i need to.
Easiest way to stop the customization on any device is to soft reset just before it starts, when windows loads up the first time on it you will see a little window saying customization will start in 3 sec or something. Just soft reset then and the customization will not run.
So far though i havent found any real reason not to run it on the trinity though. If i dont run it on my hermes at least i can get phonepad to work but no such luck on the trinity.
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OK I was hoping it would allow phonepad. So if you flash back the original rom is there any way they can tell? How close are you to doing this on your trinity? Thanks, Warny

well if we could flash back to original then they would not be able to tell. The problem is is that there is not a dumped version of the original orange rom. Therefore if we flash to the dopod rom we have no way of going back to the orange rom unless someone dumps it for us.
Realisticly there is no reason not to flash the dopod rom because we shouldnt loose anything but we gain phonepad. I do worry a bit about the fact that i cant go back again.
if you wanted to send the phone back though then orange would see that the bootscreen had changed after you have flashed to the dopod and might not be too impressed, saying that. If we flash to the dopod and we get phonepad and all our orange stuff then why would we want to send the phone back.
Oh decisions decisions

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So far though i havent found any real reason not to run it on the trinity though.
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I bypass it in order to skip orange mail installation

Hi,
OK i see. It seems from your post about your hermes that it might be possible to make the phone *look* like it has the original rom? (sorry Im half asleep today).
Are you considering trying the process out on the trinity then? (ill wait for you if so lol)
Also it voids the warranty so if it broke it would be nice to reflash to orignal rom so they cant avoid fixing it dont you think?
Warny

Warny
Yeah thats what i mean.
I am very tempted i just keep bottling it.
You are right also about the warranty
If there was an orange rom available i would do it without a thought.

rjefferis said:
Warny
Yeah thats what i mean.
I am very tempted i just keep bottling it.
You are right also about the warranty
If there was an orange rom available i would do it without a thought.
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Have you tried things like this?:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=238945

good thinking Warny, right i tried it and it appeared to work. I created a 128mb image. The big question is. Has it worked. We need someone to test my image. Or at least tell me how i can check it has worked and how er can create a rom from it.
Oh crap, just realised. Wrong phone. im using my hermes. god damn it.
Well it worked on that. I will try it on my Trinity but i need to go and get a mini sd card now.
Anyway still need the answers to above bits for when i make the trinity image

getting a bit rommy in here
Warny
lets take this rom dumping discussion over into my other thread, might have more chance of getting answered . I have copied our last coments over there.
Cheers mate

rjefferis said:
Hi everyone.
in my ext rom on my trinity i have the file PT_WA_Abaxia. I order to test whether my ext rom had the correct stuff i hard reset my hermes and installed my trininty ext rom but this didnt seem to install the homescreen. Saying that though it wouldnt let me run the autorun so i had to install the cabs individually.
The hermes homescreen is older than the trinity one. I have never been a big fan of the orange homescreen but the trinity one is quite nice. You can add vip contacts which show up straight in the homescreen rather than having to use the speeddial thing, the background pic changes depending on whether the phone is on silent, vidrate or ring. All in all a but nicer than the hermes one.
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Perhaps you could get someone to install the customizaton from your trinity on their trinity+dopod. Then see if there is any noticable difference?
Warny

SIM Unlock help...

Hi all,
I had an O2 XDA Stellar which I believe is the HTC TYTN II. However, this phone was stolen a couple of weeks back. I purchased a second hand one today which is sim locked to the orange network. I managed to break the lock by following the instructions on this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835. I followed the instructions word for word till step 5.
The problem is now though it accepts the SIM and I can dial out, I don't have any audio on the calls So I can call and my phone also rings when I receive a call but I can't hear the caller nor can I be heard at the other end
Also, I hate the orange rom (and I used to complain about the O2 rom) and I wish to use the default HTC WM 6.1 professional upgrade the problem again is that it asks for a serial number and my serial number starts with DCOxxxxxxxxxxx and it says that this is not a valid serial number
What do I do now? Has my phone become a brick Please do help I can't bear the thought of having one stolen and the other toasted by me
All help will be greatly appreciated

fmervin said:
Hi all,
I had an O2 XDA Stellar which I believe is the HTC TYTN II. However, this phone was stolen a couple of weeks back. I purchased a second hand one today which is sim locked to the orange network. I managed to break the lock by following the instructions on this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835. I followed the instructions word for word till step 5.
The problem is now though it accepts the SIM and I can dial out, I don't have any audio on the calls So I can call and my phone also rings when I receive a call but I can't hear the caller nor can I be heard at the other end
Also, I hate the orange rom (and I used to complain about the O2 rom) and I wish to use the default HTC WM 6.1 professional upgrade the problem again is that it asks for a serial number and my serial number starts with DCOxxxxxxxxxxx and it says that this is not a valid serial number
What do I do now? Has my phone become a brick Please do help I can't bear the thought of having one stolen and the other toasted by me
All help will be greatly appreciated
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Did you actually read anything or did you just start hacking away ? I will cut and paste a few items out of that thread, so that you don't have to actually read it .
PLEASE READ THE *FAQ* BEFORE FLASHING OR ASKING QUESTIONS!!!
* IF YOU DONT NEED TO FLASH A NEW ROM THEN PROCEED TO STEP 6 TO PUT YOUR DESIRED RADIO BACK*
7. After I flash a Rom I dont have any sound in calls and the camera is black
The Radio has to match the version of Rom you flash i.e. WM6.1, an incorrect Radio will give sound and camera problems. Read The Ultimate Radio Thread to find a Radio that matches the Rom there are lots to try on there if one doesnt work then try another.
3. What are the different types of Unlock?[/B] (answer by DaveShaw)
The three stages of unlock are:
SIM: Allows you to use SIM's from another carrier. Can be done using codes or unlocker programs on xda-devs.
Security: Allows you to flash radios from another device - It does other stuff, but this is all the casual user will use it for
CID: CID unlocking is an old concept, nowadays you flash HardSPL instead. This lets you flash any ROM, Splash or Radio (depending on sec unlock) to your device. N.B. the CID is the carrier ID (e.g. HTC__001). The stock SPL's only let you flash ROM's that match the CID in the ROM image with the CID on your device.
Obviously you did not unlock your phone if a serial number is needed to flash a new rom. I would re read everything and do it again

Thanks for the reply
denco7 said:
Did you actually read anything or did you just start hacking away ?
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As a matter of fact I did read that more than once.
denco7 said:
* IF YOU DONT NEED TO FLASH A NEW ROM THEN PROCEED TO STEP 6 TO PUT YOUR DESIRED RADIO BACK*
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As you can see I'm a bit of a newbie here, so wasn't too sure if I did need to flash to a new rom. But I did anyway. And the call problems still remain
denco7 said:
7. After I flash a Rom I dont have any sound in calls and the camera is black
The Radio has to match the version of Rom you flash i.e. WM6.1, an incorrect Radio will give sound and camera problems. Read The Ultimate Radio Thread to find a Radio that matches the Rom there are lots to try on there if one doesnt work then try another.
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I've been through this link as well and I was contemplating installing the latest version of the HTC WM6.1 ROMS (version 3.34.721.2, radio version 1.70.19.09) available at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs However I was not sure if this would be ok and (at the risk of sounding extremely dumb) I was not sure what WWE stood for
denco7 said:
3. What are the different types of Unlock?[/B] (answer by DaveShaw)
The three stages of unlock are:
SIM: Allows you to use SIM's from another carrier. Can be done using codes or unlocker programs on xda-devs.
Security: Allows you to flash radios from another device - It does other stuff, but this is all the casual user will use it for
CID: CID unlocking is an old concept, nowadays you flash HardSPL instead. This lets you flash any ROM, Splash or Radio (depending on sec unlock) to your device. N.B. the CID is the carrier ID (e.g. HTC__001). The stock SPL's only let you flash ROM's that match the CID in the ROM image with the CID on your device.
Obviously you did not unlock your phone if a serial number is needed to flash a new rom. I would re read everything and do it again
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I maintained the default that was given by the unlocker for the CID (I think all zeros). Do I have to change this as per the ROM image? I don't mind re-doing this again it's a relief that my device isn't busted

No your phone isn't busted. Go into bootloader and check what it says next to spl, if you followed Mark's steps, it should say 3.29 Hard. If that is what it says ,then you can flash any Kaiser rom you want. If it doesn't then start over again.
WWE stands for World Wide English and those roms are all in English. That rom you picked will be fine, if you do not wish to explore the fine world of custom roms ? Maybe later.
You only have to CID unlock once by following the steps, not at every rom flash.
No sound means wrong radio, 6.0 roms need 6.0 radios and 6.1 roms need 6.1 radios. If the rom has a radio in it already then flash away.

Thanks Denco Flashed the ones I mentioned and it works perfect. Can't believe I actually have a working device Thanks for all your help, really great.
Now to sync my data to my new (second hand) htc and I'm good to go

Another question, the device works fine, however since it is a HK rom, it seems to have localised to HK. I've changed this as much as possible to UK. However, I'm wondering if this will affect anything else? For example the gps? Is there any quicker way to configure this globally so all settings use UK instead of HK?

Why didn't you flash the latest UK ROM.
Use this code: HT750GB02264 to download from HTC's site.

fmervin said:
Another question, the device works fine, however since it is a HK rom, it seems to have localised to HK. I've changed this as much as possible to UK. However, I'm wondering if this will affect anything else? For example the gps? Is there any quicker way to configure this globally so all settings use UK instead of HK?
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Once you are unlocked and HardSpl'd you can flash any rom you want. Pick a UK one another WWE rom or a custom rom. Test a bunch until you have one you like. Your only restriction is it has to be a Kaiser rom. And with all the Kaiser roms available, it is not a restriction at all.

Mister B said:
Why didn't you flash the latest UK ROM.
Use this code: HT750GB02264 to download from HTC's site.
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Wow, thanks for that, I was looking for a valid serial through which I can download from the htc uk site One question I had is do I install the radio which I download from htc? Or do I keep the one I have already flashed? The one I have flashed yesterday seems to be a later version than what I've downloaded from htc
denco7 said:
Once you are unlocked and HardSpl'd you can flash any rom you want. Pick a UK one another WWE rom or a custom rom. Test a bunch until you have one you like. Your only restriction is it has to be a Kaiser rom. And with all the Kaiser roms available, it is not a restriction at all.
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1. I keep hearing on this forum about Hard SPL, I'm not sure what this is used for or why it is required but I followed the instructions and it seems I had installed JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe. Now, since then I had flashed the rom, so do I need to reinstall this again? Is there some other one I should be using? I come across different versions on some threads. Also, how can I check the version of HardSPL I have?
2. When I view the memory (under settings) it shows me Storage and Program. However, I can't seem to see any storage area in file explorer. I know in my old xda 2i, there used to be a separate storage area. The reason is because some of the apps I install are quite bulky for example lexisgoo english dictionary (the dictionary files themselves are about 18mb) and this fills up the main memory. How can I install this in the storage memory? (not storage card since I sometimes swap storage cards)
Sorry lot of questions I know, but I'm a newbie and all help will be greatly appreciated

The UK downloaded ROM will install the radio too.
I would do a bit of testing with your current set-up, then flash the UK ROM.
Test the new UK ROM & radio & then reflash the radio only if you want (do some searching on Radio versions)
Newer versions are not always best, chasing the latest builds normally bites you in the ass at the end of the day.
Check HardSPL by going into bootloader:
* Using a stylus, press and hold the soft reset button at the bottom of the phone along with the camera button
* Release both buttons once the bootloader screen appears
* Exit bootloader by pressing soft reset button
Once you have installed HardSPL thats it, job done (you installed it during unlocking)
What you see in file explorer regarding storage is correct: 128MB RAM for running software ect & 256MB ROM for storing your programs ect (WM2003SE was different)
ROM can be increased by using one of the cooked lite ROMs if storage space is a concern.

Mister B said:
The UK downloaded ROM will install the radio too.
I would do a bit of testing with your current set-up, then flash the UK ROM.
Test the new UK ROM & radio & then reflash the radio only if you want (do some searching on Radio versions)
Newer versions are not always best, chasing the latest builds normally bites you in the ass at the end of the day.
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Will do, the HK version seems very stable, the only thing that bothers me is the region settings. Anyway, I think I'll give the UK Rom a go and if that works well I'll stick with it
Mister B said:
Check HardSPL by going into bootloader:
* Using a stylus, press and hold the soft reset button at the bottom of the phone along with the camera button
* Release both buttons once the bootloader screen appears
* Exit bootloader by pressing soft reset button
Once you have installed HardSPL thats it, job done (you installed it during unlocking)
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I checked the version and this is what it showed:
KAIS130
SPL-3.2.9.Hard
CPLD-8
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TBH, I don't know what any of that means But do you think the version I have is ok, or do I need to upgrade this to some other version?
Mister B said:
What you see in file explorer regarding storage is correct: 128MB RAM for running software ect & 256MB ROM for storing your programs ect (WM2003SE was different)
ROM can be increased by using one of the cooked lite ROMs if storage space is a concern.
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I've attached a screenshot of my memory screen. The bit that puzzles me is that the storage area apparently has a lot more storage but I do not have an option to install all my applications on that area or atleast the bulky ones. I don't think I need a lite one since I do have 112MB free in the storage area which is more than sufficient for all the apps I usually install. Can you advise how I can install apps to the storage area as well?
Lastly, I was wondering if it is possible for me install my apps on the rom and then kind of take an image of my setup and flash the rom with this setup. That way when I do a hard reset, all my apps are installed again. Which will save me the trouble I know sprite backup does something like this but I'd prefer if it was in the rom
Thanks for all your help, it has given me a lot of confidence in these matters. Something I probably wouldn't have attempted

Mister B said:
Test the new UK ROM & radio & then reflash the radio only if you want (do some searching on Radio versions)
Newer versions are not always best, chasing the latest builds normally bites you in the ass at the end of the day.
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I agree 101% and it appears fewer resources are put into ironing out bugs in the WM 6.1 ROMs than the WM 6.0 ones. I replied to fmervin's post in the ROM forums along these lines.

If all is running OK I would stick with your current HardSPL.
When installing your applications choose the option of installing to "Device"
You could install all your apps into a ROM, this would be cooking a ROM & is a complex process.
I would suggest a backup via Sprite or SPB. I use SPB v2.0 build3065 & it works well for me, preference of backup software is a bit of a Marmite scenario, you either love it or hate it.

Lastly, I was wondering if it is possible for me install my apps on the rom and then kind of take an image of my setup and flash the rom with this setup. That way when I do a hard reset, all my apps are installed again. Which will save me the trouble I know sprite backup does something like this but I'd prefer if it was in the rom
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You can't do that, it is flash memory. It's not like you can partition the hard drive.
But this is the easiest way to get your Apps and settings back after a flash.
Try this Sashimi Auto installer by a former XDA member. It is a nice little program that installs all your apps after a flash
http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4

Help Please
Hey Denco..Than'x for considering my thread & giving out suggestion towards the link to check the info. But i m really nt that techy afterall so i can burn a ROM on my Tytn II. Even though i tried to burn a RUU rom that supports TyTN II ..Its just gets disconnected from USB mode..So i was looking forward to start it initially with some comparatively easier to install .cab files..Can't these RUU files be transformed into .cab files or maybe some other version of Manila 3D cab file that is completely fixed...I seriously have done a lot of research upon this but nothing looks like working. So please if you have some links to .cab files that can give a better & different look to my Kaiser running Windows 6.1...It'l be a great help !!
Than'x & regards in advance

vicky_crispy said:
Hey Denco..Than'x for considering my thread & giving out suggestion towards the link to check the info. But i m really nt that techy afterall so i can burn a ROM on my Tytn II. Even though i tried to burn a RUU rom that supports TyTN II ..Its just gets disconnected from USB mode..So i was looking forward to start it initially with some comparatively easier to install .cab files..Can't these RUU files be transformed into .cab files or maybe some other version of Manila 3D cab file that is completely fixed...I seriously have done a lot of research upon this but nothing looks like working. So please if you have some links to .cab files that can give a better & different look to my Kaiser running Windows 6.1...It'l be a great help !!
Than'x & regards in advance
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I think you need to decide what it is that you want to accomplish. Unless you cook your own rom, there is no way to add apps to the rom ( so that they will remain after a hard reset) Your rom is wyour phone's base operating system, it contains your OS (WM 6.1 ) and can only be replaced after completely erasing and replacing all files from the previous rom.
If it is a new rom you want, pick a rom that interests you and follow these instructions verbatim .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835
Your phone will go to the bootloader screen ( three color) and it will disconnect from usb during the process, but be patient until the end. When it says it takes ten minutes, it takes ten minutes. Leave the room if you have to , to keep from getting impatient.
If you just want to keep your OEM WM 6.1 and keep it simple, but change the look of your phone try this,
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/Manila+2D+and+M2D+Themes
This will change the look and feel of your phone with uninstallable .cab files and will not affect the rom or brick your phone by accident.

Flashing to new rom

I'm sorry for this post, because the answer is probelly somewhere on this forum. But I can't find it.
I have my diamond for about a year now and I like to install a custom rom with windows mobile 6.5. But I can't seem to figure out what I need for this.
I already chosen a rom, but I have no idea if it is any good, because there are so many roms out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563245
So my first question, is this rom any good?
Second question, what type of hard SPL do I need, Do I need the normal one that requires roms to be signed or do I need the developers edition?
Third question. Do I need MTTY for this or can I first try it without MTTY?
And the last question, if I don´t like the rom is it easy to install the original rom again or do I need to do something special for that.
I hope you guys can answer my questions so I can start flashing my rom.
Grtz, Eric
EDIT: I tried installing hard-SPL unsigned, but get an error that it can't connected to my phone. But it is connected using windows mobile device center

why do you want to flash a new rom?

ive recenetly done the same, i wanted to flash my rom as the original was tied to vodafone and some of the features like youtube, facebook, and opera wouldnt work as they wanted vodafone connection ( im on virgin mobile).
anyway after much trial and error i in the end found it versy easy.
3 simple steps. first flash your bootloader
i found the best and easiest one was spl olinex version 4.0
u need to softboot to do this ( hold the down volume and switch on phone, have usb cable connected then use the flash util provided with the above.
once thats done you need to flash rom the radio
again the one out there that seems the best to use is version 1.00.25.05 diamondruu radio
again soft reset so you get the try colour screen and run the flash rom update ( takes about 2 mins at most)
finally choose your version of win mobile 6.5 ( i got windows revoluton 7.1 ultra clean edition)
do soft reset again, then run the flash update and again this takes about 5-10 mins for this)
all worked perfectly for me and it was my first try.
though i will be changing it as the revolution is missing some vital aspects i like.
i know its basic but hopeully you can see its not the daunting prospect some people make out though any rom upgrade carries a minot risk i found this to be as easy as 1,2,3
good luck

cloudedhopes said:
why do you want to flash a new rom?
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Because I would like some new features on my phone. Like wm 6.5 or a new version of manilla. It's getting a little boring having the same phone for over a year.
@miramele, thanks for your response. I'll give it a try tomorrow and hope I won't brick my phone.

let us know how you get on, it took me several attempts as each time i was trying while within the phone itself, if you hold the down volume key and power on the phone you get the tri colour screen, in this mode i had 100% success each time.
doing it within the OS with phone on it just stuck at 0%.
And since then i have re flashed it with a diff version of wm 6.5 that i prefer and all is good.
the version i flashed to is the manila 2.1 with the latest touchFLO 3d so ive not even bothered with Spb mobile shell though may add this later.

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let us know how you get on, it took me several attempts as each time i was trying while within the phone itself, if you hold the down volume key and power on the phone you get the tri colour screen, in this mode i had 100% success each time.
doing it within the OS with phone on it just stuck at 0%.
And since then i have re flashed it with a diff version of wm 6.5 that i prefer and all is good.
the version i flashed to is the manila 2.1 with the latest touchFLO 3d so ive not even bothered with Spb mobile shell though may add this later.
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Thanks for the advice, if I understand correctly I have to get to the tri-color screen and then install hard-spl? But can I connect to my laptop while in this mode?
I'm gone try it tomorrow because I didn't have any time today.

Thanks for all the help, especially miramele.
I made the step and am now running a custom rom without any issues. Many thanks for the help and for pulling me over the line.

Just got an old Tilt/8925, need updates?

hi all, I just got my wife's old tilt. No software or ROMs have been updated on this device at all and I'm curious what updates anyone can recommend that I install.
I did read through the WIKI and it was hard to tell what is the most recent updates available. Nothing is really working incorrectly on the unit, I just want the newest, fastest software/rom etc installed.
is there a windows mobile update that I should install? I saw some references to touchflow 3d working on the tilt, is this worth installing?
I'm starting from square one here and am looking for some general info which is why I posted in this room as opposed to the software or rom rooms. Any info would be great. thanks!
taz

The first thing you need to do is back up your phone. You can sync your or what I would do is use back up your data to your card. DO NOT USE SPRITE BACKUP THAT IS ON YOUR PHONE! I did this and could not get it to restore to my phone. Use PIM Backup. You can get the cab file by doing a search on the software thread.
I just upgrade my rom on my Tilt 8925 last week and I used build 23069 and I really like it so far. Make sure you also download the Jumpspl56,Jumpspl93 and Jumpspl94 file. You will have to add that to your phone first and I used the Jumpspl56 file. I did not have a problem with it.
Read the Wiki it will help so mucn and there is also YouTube videos on it. When looking up the information look up Kaiser. I also used this web site for help.
http://blog.contriving.net/2009/06/18/upgrading-your-att-tilt-to-windows-mobile-6-5-tutorial/
Good Luck

thanks Biloxigirl! do you know if I can put a new version of windows mobile on the device? I've read that some people have updated to 6.1 but do not want to update to 6.5 because it lacks good support for landscape mode?
taz

It all depends what you want? You can flash any Kaiser ROM after Hard-SPL [Resources] Flashing Your First Kaiser Rom (For Noobs) , there are many 6.1 ROMs to choose from and even though M2D doesn't support landscape well it can be disabled via today settings, not sure what you mean about landscape support on 6.5 as Chome has full lanscape compatability.
Good luck

tazmajazz said:
thanks Biloxigirl! do you know if I can put a new version of windows mobile on the device? I've read that some people have updated to 6.1 but do not want to update to 6.5 because it lacks good support for landscape mode?
taz
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I upgraded from 6.0 to 6.1 with no problems. Now I have 6.5 and LOVE IT. Not sure what you are talking about landscape.....I have had no problems so far with anything in landscape.

Can you run 6.5 on the Tilt?
How much memory do you end up with?

ikepigott said:
Can you run 6.5 on the Tilt?
How much memory do you end up with?
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yup, look in the rom dev forum.

when reading these steps from the tutorial, am I suposed to pull out the battery while the device is still powered on or should I turn it off first?
1. Copy JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe, JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.exe and JumpSPL1.94-KAIS.exe to your device memory (NOT STORAGE CARD)
2. Pull out the battery and reinsert it (this step IS important) *DONT turn phone back on yet*
taz

tazmajazz said:
when reading these steps from the tutorial, am I suposed to pull out the battery while the device is still powered on or should I turn it off first?
1. Copy JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe, JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.exe and JumpSPL1.94-KAIS.exe to your device memory (NOT STORAGE CARD)
2. Pull out the battery and reinsert it (this step IS important) *DONT turn phone back on yet*
taz
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Doesn't matter, the idea is to kill all processes. Either way will achieve the end result.

gotcha, thanks Denco

Help.. I f..... up.. again :)

I am trying to get the cool 4 shortcut buttons and was directed to something called Cookies Home Tab. I installed it but no program showed up.
I would then try and uninstall it an install it again with sense deactivated, but when choosing uninstall on the program (which shows up on the "remove program" menu, but not in the start menu) the "busy-cursor" is just rotating and nothing happens. I tried powering off and try again, and the same thing happens: It says its uninstalling, but it takes forever and nothing happends.
Can someone help? How do I get the program properly installed. I am running a danish original rom and assumed it would be compatible when directed there. I am not sure where to find my sense version. Can it be that its 2.16xxxxx or is that windows?

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I am trying to get the cool 4 shortcut buttons and was directed to something called Cookies Home Tab. I installed it but no program showed up.
I would then try and uninstall it an install it again with sense deactivated, but when choosing uninstall on the program (which shows up on the "remove program" menu, but not in the start menu) the "busy-cursor" is just rotating and nothing happens. I tried powering off and try again, and the same thing happens: It says its uninstalling, but it takes forever and nothing happends.
Can someone help? How do I get the program properly installed. I am running a danish original rom and assumed it would be compatible when directed there. I am not sure where to find my sense version. Can it be that its 2.16xxxxx or is that windows?
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If you cannot find your manila version, or at least search on how to find it, you really need to learn more before you mess up your phone.
I assume you did a hard reset after your registry issue. If not I suggest you do as you will probably have to do it a few times as you attempt to customize your device.
Your manila version can be found in Settings\Device Info\Software Info.
Read the thread on Cookies Home tab for compatable versions and install instructions. Post your questions there.
p.s. Thanks for implying...

I am really sorry for sounding like a total noob, but I DID read the post, installation instructions and whats not. I also read the "how to find your manila version" which also said to go to settings tab - device info - software info. The thing is that its danish on my phone and I cant find anything called device info on my tab, only "about" which leads me to a webpage with a lot of copyright and legal mumble jumble.
When going to settings - advanced - about the device I get a tab called version, where it says Rom Version 2.16.403.1 (67041) dan. But I dont know if thats it.
But lord, how many original stock roms can there be? Its a pretty new phone and I installed every HTC update available to me. I must say that configuring this little diamond seems to take a rocket scientist or above. I can use a computer pretty well, but getting a little modifications to the HTC UI seems to take a phd
You seem like a nice guy, and I would like to learn. Maybe you can help me out so I dont have to ask so many noobish questions. I really tried to learn by myself but it is a new world to me and it is quite overwhelming.
1) I read that installing a rom is ireversible. Does that really mean that I under no circumstances can replace the original software? Is a cooked rom really a whole other OS and replace windows mobile 6.5 completely? Or is it just a modified windows?
2) What is the distinction between HTC Sense, Touch Flo and Manila, if any? As far as I read the black and white icons is manila and the colored ones is sense... Is that true? And does that mean that I cant use any programs that needs manila to run if I have the HTC Ui with the colored icons?
I hope the above questions helps me to a basic understanding, so I further on dont have to ask so many questions.
PS) after installing TD2 tools my screen rotation line in my system registry came back, and I got rid of the landscape.. Thats one problem solved. Call recording aswell. If I find a way to get these 4 shortcut-buttons available and set one of them to my to-do list I think Im done.. No more tampering.. I promise.

came99 said:
1) What exactly is the difference between installing Cookies Home tab and installing another rom? As I understand it, a rom is a whole other OS, where this software only is a skin? Correct?
Correct, The ROM is the whole OS, where CHT is a modification to the Sense (Manila) UI.
2) I read that installing a rom is ireversible. Does that really mean that I under no circumstances can replace the original software?
No, You must first install hard SPL to be able to flash a cooked(custom) ROM.
Once you install HSPL, your device is considered "out of warranty".
However you can reflash a Stock ROM and then reflash Stock SPL to return the phone to the factory state for warranty purposes. So it can be reverted.
3) What is the distinction between HTC Sense and Manila, if any?
They are one and the same, also referred to as Touch Flo 3D (TF3D)
4) The original question about getting Cookie to work, if someone feels like helping.
If you have installed Cookie's Home Tab and soft reset, when you are on your home screen you should see the flip clock (assuming that in Settings\System\Home\Items is set to HTC Sense), on top right of that is a little dash, this opens up additional panels for your shortcuts.
There should also be a new program possibly in settings or \Programs\Tools called CHTEditor to access your tab settings.
I suspect that it installed, you just didn't know how to access it.
Lemme know.
PS) after installing TD2 tools my screen rotation line in my system registry came back, and I got rid of the landscape.. Thats one problem solved. Call recording aswell. If I find a way to get these 4 shortcut-buttons available I think Im done.. No more tampering.. I promise.
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See above for answers. One quick word of advice; If the program interfaces with your today screen, phone functions, etc. install to device memory and never to Storage Card. Programs that just tweak the registry and settings can be installed to SD card.
Uhm, and I wouldn't be promising anything because its addicting. Once you pop, you can't stop!

Sorry.. I edited my post while you were answering. I found the preguide to roms which was just about basic enough to enlighten me. Your answers helped a lot to, and everything fell into place.
I do think that I will stay away from flashing as it seems like risky business.. The option to hard-reset without to much hassle seems like the emergency brake I like available to me
At the moment I am trying to reinstall Cookies Home Tab, but the installation just hangs.. Probably because it wasnt uninstalled correctly. Any tips other than Hard Resetting which means several hours of setup
Edit: Ahh f... it.. I may aswell do it.. All the tampering made my phone slow anyway.. Now I know what I need and can get it to work without too much experimenting..
Thanks dude.

I did some research on your stock ROM and it looks like you are running Manila 2.1 which is the older version so many tweaks you are attempting may be for 2.5.
You would be better off changing ROMs.
Here is a download of our stock ROM for warranty purposes, keep it just in case. You may have to register for the site, but you may also find a nice cooked ROM in your language on that site. Dutty is a great chef and I use his ROMs because of their stability.
I can attempt to walk you through HSPL, but there have been many issues lately. Almost seems like the only way to get it to work is to "donate" to the developer.

Okay Mr Dope Pusher.. i see where you are going.. Telling me to stay away from these sheningans and 1 hour later you got me hooked anyway
Jokes aside.. Yes.. I Do think I am gonna need some help here.. While the stock backup rom is downloading I will try and find out for myself, but I would very much like some confirmation on what to do before I take the leap.. Stay tuned and thank you very much.. Your help is very appriciated.

I have a question though.. Now I downloaded the stock rom, but what if my phone breaks when Duttys Rom is installed.. Then I wont be able to reinstall the original rom before sending it in for repair. And then Im screwed warranty wise, right?

..., in anticipation of your next question;
As long as you have over 50% battery and do not interupt the flash (unplug the USB) there are very few chances of it bricking.
I have never had it happen and most errors are correctable with a hard reset. It really sounds worse than it is.
Most devices get bricked because the user attempts to flash a cooked ROM w/o HSPL or a ROM or radio from another device.
I have attached 3 files.
Do the following after you download these files;
1. Remove your SIM and SD card.
2. Sync your device to your PC through Active Sync or WMDC depending on your windows version.
2. Copy the enablenewrapi.cab to your device through file explorer and install
to device memory.
3. Open both the SPL 1.83 and the RUU zip files and place contents of both into a new folder.
4. Run the RUU.exe and you should see a progress screen appear.
5. With any luck, you won't get stuck at 0% and the flash will complete.
As the screen states, it may take up to 10 minutes. You will see your device disconnect from active sync, which is normal. Let it run until it completes and do not open anything or let your PC go into standby. Also, you may want to disable your AV and any firewalls as these can mess with the installation.
Make sure you have greater than 50% battery before you attempt this as any interuption during the flashing process can brick your device.
If the steps above complete, you can go into bootloader mode by holding down both volume keys right after you hit the soft reset buton, but before the device begins to boot. You may have to try a couple of times if you are not fast enough. Or you can power off the device then hold both volume keys and press the power button. In bootloader mode which is a tri colored screen, you should see SPL: 1.83.Olinex, then you will know it has installed correctly.
From this point, you are able to flash any cooked Topaz ROM.
The ROM flashing process is the same as HSPL in regards to placing the ROM's .nbh file into the same folder as the custom RUU.exe, so keep that RUU.exe file for future use.
You need only flash HSPL once to continue to flash as many ROMS as you like.
If you ever have to revert to stock, you would install the ROM you downloaded, then find the StockSPL file from the HSPL thread and follow the instructions.
Always hard reset after you flash a new ROM.
**If you are not successful in flashing HSPL, you will need to go to the HSPL thread and read up on opening a ticket with HTC Support, which will give you an autoinstaller that will work once you donate through the program. I believe they are asking for 4gbp.

Ok.. And one of the above files is the Dutty Rom? Edit: Oh I se.. It isnt.. I will download it then..
Will it look and feel similar to Sense, just with more features and customisation options?
You write: Most devices get bricked because the user attempts to flash a cooked ROM w/o HSPL or a ROM or radio from another device.
Can you please elaborate? I understand it like you need to make sure I install the hspl first before cooking, but "radio" from another device. Please explain it for a dummy as me, so I dont attempt to do it by accident.

came99 said:
Ok.. And one of the above files is the Dutty Rom? Is it available in danish as is, or do I have to do something.
Will it look and feel similar to Sense, just with more features and customization options?
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No, I have not provided you with a ROM, just the HSPL unlocker.
You can go to HTCPedia and search for a Danish ROM with manila 2.5, or take a look through the ROM development thread and find one from another chef. It should have Sense installed but 2.5 unless it states otherwise. 2.5 has more features and functions and is the most current.
Many ROMs are multilanguage so I believe you select your region language when the ROM first loads. Just look for one that supports DAN. I use WWE (World Wide English) so I am not experienced with multilanguage variations.
Just make sure your HSPL is successful before you attempt to flash a ROM.
If you search hard enough you may even find a ROM with CHT cooked in which will alleviate you from having to install it yourself, but I suspect that your previous install didn't work because your on Sense 2.1
I have never used CHT, but use Max Manila Themes which is just a different mod, but I am thinking about trying CHT.
I'll take a look and see what I can find.
Regarding Radios;
A stock ROM comes with the OS and Radio ROM.
Most cooked ROMs take just the OS and tweak it for best performance, adding programs, removing other useless programs and do not include the radio ROM, therefore you will still have your stock Radio unless you flash a cooked ROM that has included the radio (usually denoted in the title of the ROM by the radio#, i.e. 4.49.25.57 (which is a Topaz radio version)
The only time you can brick is you attempt to install a radio from another device (sometimes they work better) such as a Blackstone radio to a Topaz device unless your SIM is unlocked or attempting to flash a Topaz radio w/o HSPL.
Personally, there are enough Topaz radios posted in the radio thread that I don't need my SIM unlocked to try others.
Symptoms of a problem radio are poor signal strength, rapid battery loss and your device heating up.
I have switched my radio ROM a few times but honestly haven't noticed a difference from my stock radio.
The stock ROM you downloaded would replace your Stock Radio if you happen to flash to a different one.
Your region and carrier are also a factor in choosing a radio, so again, just stick to stock unless you have issues.

Dude.. That radio thingie made me EXTREMELY paranoid and I see that there is dozens of different roms from dutty and thousands of rom in general where many of them seems to come with radio-thingies... I am extremely afraid of choosing something that will brick my system, so please, please help me through this, even though you already have been extremely helpful.
If I were on my own, I would go with this:
http://htcpedia.com/duttys_topaz_wm_leo_r_rtm_e11d19c3e22de899a/soft/htc-topaz-rom.html
But to be honest I dont know if it will work on my device or if I will be able to get it with a danish language pack..
Please help me choose the right one.... I am ready to rock, so I hope for a quick reply, and I promise I will do a extra good deed tomorrow to repay the world for all the help you gave me tonight.

came99 said:
Dude.. That radio thingie made me ETREMELY paranoid and I see that there is dozens of different roms from dutty and thousands of rom aswell where many of them seems to come with radio-thingies... I am extremely afraid of choosing something that will brick my system, so please, please help me through this, even though you already have been extremely helpful.
If I were on my own, I would go with this:
http://htcpedia.com/duttys_topaz_wm_leo_r_rtm_e11d19c3e22de899a/soft/htc-topaz-rom.html
But to be honest I dont know if it will work on my device or if I will be able to get it with a danish language pack..
Please help me choose the right one.... I am ready to rock, so I hope for a quick reply.
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Don't sweat it Bro, if its posted as a Topaz ROM then its got the Topaz Radio, the only thing you risk is not being able to connect to certain 3G bands.
I've used Dutty's R-8 and its not a bad ROM, but its a little outdated and I didn't see that it had multi language support.
I am really having a hard time locating a Danish language ROM.
I find FRE. GER, ITA, ESN, NLD, WWE, but no DAN????

"I am really having a hard time locating a Danish language ROM.
I find FRE. GER, ITA, ESN, NLD, WWE, but no DAN????"
Then it aint just me being total clueless.. I cant find any either..
Im bafled by this world.. I basically have two modest demands: To record calls in mp3 and get easy access to my to-do list.. preferably on my homescreen, but just as good by one of the nifty Hotbuttons Ive seen in pictures..
To get those two modest demands fulfilled I either:
- Need to give up on my danish interface and crack my phone beyond warranty and a chance of bricking it.
- Disable HTC sense and go with WM interface
I know how limited I would be with any other phone, but this road I got myself on is really amazing

came99 said:
"I am really having a hard time locating a Danish language ROM.
I find FRE. GER, ITA, ESN, NLD, WWE, but no DAN????"
Then it aint just me being total clueless.. I cant find any either..
Im bafled by this world.. I basically have two modest demands: To record calls in mp3 and get easy access to my to-do list.. preferably on my homescreen, but just as good by one of the nifty Hotbuttons Ive seen in pictures..
To get those two modest demands fulfilled I either:
- Need to give up on my danish interface and crack my phone beyond warranty and a chance of bricking it.
- Disable HTC sense and go with WM interface
I know how limited I would be with any other phone, but this road I got myself on is really amazing
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I found some Danish support threads, just search Danish Topaz in XDA and you may find something to load over a WWE rom.
Personnaly I think you will be disappointed if you do not take the plunge.
I had a Rhodium before my Topaz and once I go tmy Topaz, I couldn't stand it. It wouldn't do half the **** my Rhodium did. Because I had my Rhodium flashed to custom.
Finally HSPL was released and I flashed it immediately and can't believe I ever liked that other brick of a phone.
Take your time, get comfy with the process first, and read lots on the language packs.
The brick warning is just a disclaimer and it is very difficult to achieve if you follow the steps correctly.
I know these are expensive toys to take a chance on, but they really are only at 50% capacity out of the box. What a waste....

Bruce, dude, you're a saint. This is why so many folks look to xda for help. You should be commended, but probably won't be! You got my vote.

jdwilson said:
Bruce, dude, you're a saint. This is why so many folks look to xda for help. You should be commended, but probably won't be! You got my vote.
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Thanks JD!
Is that commended or condemed???
Just trying to give a little back.
Greetz from SoCal.

I agree.. The helpfulnes here has been overwhelming, and has given me the bravery to try this out. But I am still very nervous.
Let me sum up what I learned from tonight.
1) When following your instructions I will have a phone which I can modify with custom roms.
2) As long as I am 100 % sure the rom is for Topaz I dont have to worry about messing up and bricking my phone due to doing wrong stuff to the radio-thingie? (yes, I still dont understand what that is)
3) I will be able to get back to factory defaults and warranty by installing the official rom you linked and afterwards install the original spl thingie afterwards?
4) Should I mess up and brick my phone, there is a fair chance of being able to restore it by the help of another device and a micro SD-card? (See I DO try and learn myself.. (Its probably incorrect though ))
5) I need to give up on the danish interface, but I will without too much hassle be able to get a danish keyboard?
6) To be absolutely sure not choosing a wrong ROM, please confirm this one as a possible choice: "Duttys Topaz HG R10 [5.2.23541.5.5.0]"
It is downloading and I am ready to take the leap... Geronimoooo!

came99 said:
I agree.. The helpfulnes here has been overwhelming, and has given me the bravery to try this out. But I am still very nervous.
Let me sum up what I learned from tonight.
1) When following your instructions I will have a phone which I can modify with custom roms.
Yes
2) As long as I am 100 % sure the rom is for Topaz I dont have to worry about messing up and bricking my phone due to doing wrong stuff to the radio-thingie? (yes, I still dont understand what that is)
Radio controls cell signal, GPS and WiFi connections.
3) I will be able to get back to factory defaults and warranty by installing the official rom you linked and afterwards install the original spl thingie afterwards?
Yes
4) Should I mess up and brick my phone, there is a fair chance of being able to restore it by the help of another device and a micro SD-card? (See I DO try and learn myself.. (Its probably incorrect though ))
Exactly.
5) I need to give up on the danish interface, but I will without too much hassle be able to get a danish keyboard?
Bingo!
6) To be absolutely sure not choosing a wrong ROM, please confirm this one as a possible choice: "Duttys Topaz HG R10 [5.2.23541.5.5.0]"
That's the one I am currently running. Great ROM!
It is downloading and I am ready to take the leap... Geronimoooo!
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I'm usually not on the forum as much on the weekends but if you get stuck, shoot me a PM which will notify my e-mail and I'll see if I can help.
I take it you were successful with HSPL? If so, thats most of the battle!
Peace!

"5. With any luck, you won't get stuck at 0% and the flash will complete."
Well... Guess what...
Can someone please help.. Im stucked here and having a stroke.
Edit: Tried on 2 different computers and its the same: Stuck on 0 %.. Antivirus disabled.