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Android 2.2 (Froyo) Question.

Okay I understand that the official 2.2 will not be coming to the G1 due to the outdated hardware. But I also understand that a lot of the ROM dev's are trying to transport it to here.
My question is, When the dev's do release the 2.2 can we expect the same speed upgrade as the official 2.2 does? Froyo = 450% faster on g1?
Doubt it right?

It's possible they could get the speeds that high but your phone would eventually take a massive wear and tear from overclocking and constant swap usage.

Froyo won't be quite 450% faster, but it's definitely going to have some measurable level of speed improvement with 2.2 and a JIT enabled Over-clock Kernel.

That 450% number is misleading.
It is NOT 450% faster. SOME OPERATIONS are 450% faster.
The key word being SOME.
As for 2.2 being faster... the reason it is going to be faster is because of JIT, not because of overclocking/etc.
In other words, to do the same function, it needs to do ***LESS WORK***, and because it can do the SAME amount of work in the SAME TIME as 2.1, having to do LESS work will therefore take LESS TIME.

Kemekill Products said:
It's possible they could get the speeds that high but your phone would eventually take a massive wear and tear from overclocking and constant swap usage.
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Are you MAD?
Who said anything about overclocking and swap.
Speedup due to JIT!
JIT means that there is LESS WORK TO DO = LESS TIME to do it.
Swap usage? A well implemented JIT can actually use LESS MEMORY = still no swap needed. Who the heck wants to swap? It just slows you down!

rofl, have you seen the attempts to getting JIT working right in the pass 3 months. it's been constant failure. every rom that has JIT runs faster without it enabled. It's a nice dream.. (haha get it dream like the phones name... FUNNY)

Kemekill Products said:
rofl, have you seen the attempts to getting JIT working right in the pass 3 months. it's been constant failure. every rom that has JIT runs faster without it enabled. It's a nice dream.. (haha get it dream like the phones name... FUNNY)
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I'm pretty sure you need to stop answering questions until you read up on a few things. The speed improvement in Froyo is because JIT is officially supported in the build by the Android team at Google.

Some people already have Froyo "running" on the G1, but it's not useable as a phone. You can expect someone to perfect and port it just like people have done with Eclair.

DirectMatrix said:
I'm pretty sure you need to stop answering questions until you read up on a few things. The speed improvement in Froyo is because JIT is officially supported in the build by the Android team at Google.
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I'm pretty sure I watched the I/0 conference and know all about it. But my point still stands every dev on xda who has attempted to get JIT working with the g1 has failed. All it's done is bog down the system. So you kind sir need to stop talking when you think you've felt intelligent.

Kemekill Products said:
I'm pretty sure I watched the I/0 conference and know all about it. But my point still stands every dev on xda who has attempted to get JIT working with the g1 has failed. All it's done is bog down the system. So you kind sir need to stop talking when you think you've felt intelligent.
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You've missed the point. People were trying to wedge JIT into builds where it didn't belong, thus the problems. Froyo is built around JIT natively, so it just works.

Android 2.2 ("Froyo"), will be running on the G1 as soon as the Source Code drops.
With it being built around JIT natively, it will have noticeable speed improvements. I tested the SDK/N1 dump on my G1, and it was amazingly fast. One can only imagine how fast it is going to run once the source drops and it is actually built for the G1.
Right now, the Froyo release that is out for the G1 is working. It just has no external audio (IE: music, ringtones, notification sounds, etc). No BT, camera, wifi, etc; you know, the usual things that are broken whenever a new release comes out. Give it time, CR and enatefox will get a build done as soon as possible.

Coming Back From Pre!! Have Some Questions..

First I know, I could search and search and find out most if not everything I want, please if thats all you have to say... save me the e-mail and just move on. I am looking for what people like and dislike.
Second I did not put this in the Development part cuz well this is just questions.
Ok, So I moved to the Pre about 3 months ago just for fun and to test it out but well after helping co workers with there Droids and playing with the Eris for a little bit I MISS android so I am moving back to the Hero this weekend.
I was running DC and like it but it would seem things have come along in the past 3 months. And wanted to know what ROM people we liking and what ROM (in there minds) ram better or faster with less bugs.
My wish list is:
Everything works most of all
To have the 2.1 lock screen (clear)
To be able to over clock (How high can it be OCed?)
The Launcher that comes with 2.2 (3 main buttons at bottom)
Most of the other things I care about I can do with a theme. I was making a theme to put out just before moving to the Pre so I will see that files have changed and get back to it.
Also has there been any word or the Hero getting 2.2?

If it's just questions, you should put it in the questions part.
Also, Darchdroid is what you want.

abcdfv said:
Also, Darchdroid is what you want.
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Seconded. Been running it for more than 24 hours now and looove it.

To the separate questions you have listed.
1. Darchdroid includes this stock, every rom is capable of it. Just delete the htclockscreen.apk
2. Depends on your hero. Some can take higher clocks then others. The highest clock speed a cdma htc hero can take thats beneficial is 768mhz. Anything higher then that the results will either be the same as 768mhz or worse. The limitation is the fsb on our heros. Right now we dont know how to change it or maybe we wont ever be able to.
3. ADW launcher from the market is what you are looking for. Darchdroid includes this stock along with another launcher. But adw launcher is downloadable from the market and can be used on any rom.
Also damage control has come a longgg way since 3months ago. Its not the same rom, and its probably the most user friendly rom. Its based on the sprints newest 2.1 release, so its not a mush of different things like 3 months ago. It also comes with an app that lets you change advanced features on the phone with the push of a button.
Darchdroid is going to be your smoothest running rom since it has almost zero bloat-ware and has zero htc sense ui.
Hero 2.2 is very doubtful coming from sprint. But as soon as source is released or a phone running very similar hardware as the hero gets 2.2, it will be ported to our phone and will be 95% working if not 100%.

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If it's just questions, you should put it in the questions part.
Also, Darchdroid is what you want.
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Thanks! Yeah I just seen the Q&A part. Seems a bit has changed just on how the site if for the Hero. Nice to see the Hero have its own part!
Jus10o said:
To the separate questions you have listed.
1. Darchdroid includes this stock, every rom is capable of it. Just delete the htclockscreen.apk
2. Depends on your hero. Some can take higher clocks then others. The highest clock speed a cdma htc hero can take thats beneficial is 768mhz. Anything higher then that the results will either be the same as 768mhz or worse. The limitation is the fsb on our heros. Right now we dont know how to change it or maybe we wont ever be able to.
3. ADW launcher from the market is what you are looking for. Darchdroid includes this stock along with another launcher. But adw launcher is downloadable from the market and can be used on any rom.
Also damage control has come a longgg way since 3months ago. Its not the same rom, and its probably the most user friendly rom. Its based on the sprints newest 2.1 release, so its not a mush of different things like 3 months ago. It also comes with an app that lets you change advanced features on the phone with the push of a button.
Darchdroid is going to be your smoothest running rom since it has almost zero bloat-ware and has zero htc sense ui.
Hero 2.2 is very doubtful coming from sprint. But as soon as source is released or a phone running very similar hardware as the hero gets 2.2, it will be ported to our phone and will be 95% working if not 100%.
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Great input, thanks! After installing 2.2 on a friends Droid I see now real need for Sense, well other than I kind of like the helicopter mode and some the the widgets that come with it. I tend to like the more plane/dark look so peep was good for me and the quick contact,calender and clock were great. (after a few changes that is).

Stock ROM - 1.5 vs 2.1 ??

I bought my gf a Sprint Hero to see if she likes using Android. Might buy an Evo or whatever comes next if she likes the platform (this is her first smartphone, I've been using them for a loooong time - since the iPaq days!)
Anyway, the used one I bought her has stock 1.5 ROM on it, and I know that the Sprint 2.1 ROM is also available. I've searched all over and see mixed opinions on if its worth upgrading or not. A lot of bugs seem to crop up in the 2.1 version, but also some new features and better app compatibility in the market.
I'm a long-time HTC device user, but always WinMo, so I'm no stranger to flashing/modding etc. But I don't want to get into that at all with her phone, she'll get angry if I try to do something and then something else breaks, so I just want whatever stock ROM "just works" best. I don't want to have to "maintain" this device.
Any advice is appreciated, thanks in advance.

Hi there. As far as what "just works"...I have used both 1.5 and 2.1 stock...some people have experienced multiple problems. I used 2.1 stock for awhile before rooting...and quite honestly, the only problems I had was occasional lag...not drastic like some have reported....and rapid battery drain. I've since rooted 2.1 and use an overclocked kernel. Now, with GPS location off (still use cell service loc.), and no task killer whatsoever...i get almost 24 hours of battery with moderate to high usage. I experience no lag whatsoever. And, quite honestly, the rooting process and installing the OC'd kernel are VERY easy. I don't know about your girlfriend, but the skeptics I know...given a few days running straight stock unrooted...came back in a couple days begging me to root and make their Hero "run like mine".

Thanks for the info. I might go that route. Are you running a ROM with Sense? Did you just root the stock Sprint Sense ROM and OC it?
Any more help would be appreciated, like I said I've done a lot of ROM flashing and modding in the past but always on WinMo, I'm new to Android but have been reading up on these forums so I think I have a good sense of what needs to be done now. I'm not afraid of rooting / flashing processes, but I really don't want to put on ROMs where little weird glitches are going to piss her off. I don't mind dealing with that on my own phone, but this really does need to be a one-time job where I can just had it off to her and never have to deal with it again

I am running a ROM with Sense. It's the actually the HTC ROM that has been rooted. Here is a link to the thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=703267 It runs sweet. I also formatted the stock 2gb SD card to ext for use with Apps2SD and it worked flawlessly after flashing the ROM. There are plenty of straightforward instructions here in this forum. Like I said, I think your g/f will be very pleased with the speed and battery life using this message. I flash a couple roms now and then to try something new, but always come back to this 'cuz it "just works".

1.5 is faster & more stable imo...but outdated. 2.1 provides a few new features but it's really up to her which one she wants to use. try them both out.
for 2.1 id use the stock rooted sprint rom
for 1.5 id suggest the pancake rom.

If you flash one of the OC kernels, just know that not all phones can handle the OC speeds, especially on bootup. If you decide to flash an OC kernel, MAKE SURE you nandroid backup first in case that phone goes into bootloops or freezes after the new kernel. Start with the 691mhz one just to test, then if all is good you can move up to 710mhz or 768mhz if you want more.
Also, to answer your initial question, I personally think stock 2.1 is much better overall than 1.5. Without even considering OC kernels, extra apps, widgets, etc....Android 1.5 didn't even have native CDMA support, so it had to contain a lot more code/tweaking for our Sprint build, which is why it runs so slowly and laggy. 2.1 includes CDMA support which automatically makes the code smaller and it means the OS automatically runs more quickly and smoothly on almost all HTC Heroes.
The only big consistent issue I've heard of on stock 2.1 is terrible Bluetooth functionality. Most other issues are hit or miss cases that aren't very common.
Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info, this has all been helpful.
To update, I dove in and just updated to the latest 2.1 Sprint official ROM (.6). I don't really think she has a current need to be rooted, as she doesn't use many apps, and doesn't need tethering.
If the need arises in the future for these things, I'll just flash the ROM linked above, or flash back to .5, root, and re-flash. Maybe by then there will be a root for .6 anyway and it will be even easier yet.
I'd also like to post my experience with 1.5 vs 2.1 I am not sure why everyone feels 2.1 is so much slower. I'm guessing it's because they haven't applied the .6 patch, which in addition to fixing the root exploit, also adds a bunch of speed enhancements in the UI.
2.1 is much faster on her phone than 1.5, especially scrolling in long lists, using the dialer, and even swiping between homescreens. She's quite happy with it, and I don't have to hack any fixes due to broken stuff in ROMs, so I'm happy too
I'm liking Android enough that I think I'm willing to buy another phone to play with, I got sick of dealing with flashing and hacking on my WinMo devices, so I went to iPhone. But I want a new Android HTC phone to play with, I think I'll buy a Nexus One or something.

[Q] New Sense possiblitiy?

When we get our 2.2 Froyo Sense roms working fine is it possible we can port the new Sense that is on the Desire HD? I really like the new style of it and I think it could be possible but i dont know for sure.

Possible, yes. Probable, not even close. Not trying to be a naysayer, but I wouldn't hold your breath on it.
The Desire has a faster processor than the Hero (1GHz compared to 528mhz default), and the screen size for the Desire is larger (480x800) than the Hero (320x480) too. So porting anything over from the Desire would require A LOT of work in resizing all the .pngs and also probably modifying most of the kernel to 'slow it down' for a slower processor.
The other 2.2 ports you see on this forum (Gratia, Wildfire, maybe Legend) are easier ports because those phones are much more similar to the Hero and don't require as much complicated dev work on the port.

chromiumleaf said:
Possible, yes. Probable, not even close. Not trying to be a naysayer, but I wouldn't hold your breath on it.
The Desire has a faster processor than the Hero (1GHz compared to 528mhz default), and the screen size for the Desire is larger (480x800) than the Hero (320x480) too. So porting anything over from the Desire would require A LOT of work in resizing all the .pngs and also probably modifying most of the kernel to 'slow it down' for a slower processor.
The other 2.2 ports you see on this forum (Gratia, Wildfire, maybe Legend) are easier ports because those phones are much more similar to the Hero and don't require as much complicated dev work on the port.
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So basically its either a no or a very small yes. As long as 2.2 sense works I will be happy but i was just wondering on this cuz i saw it on other phones.

Are you referring to the new features, such as remote wipe/unlock and being able to locate a lost phone? It would definitely be cool to gain these features.

Ya and it has themes like the Slide does and flipping clock
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710- Overclock questions

So i've been trying to gain 710oc speeds on my g1. after applying the angry birds fix, its so close to being playable and i think another 96mhz might just help it a little.
currently, i'm using the mytouch 2.2 Rom by ezterry. radio and spl below.
i changed kernels from ezterry's 2708enabled kernel to pershoots latest kernel recently. it all works fine, but i was expecting it to be 710oc. it is still at 614. and there are so many options of kernels that now i'm getting confused as to which one is which.
also, the kernels all say cm in them. should this be a concern to me, using the mytouch2.2 rom?
i'm hoping some1 could direct me the flashable 2708enabled kernel with 710oc speeds that will work with mytouch 2.2 rom. help is always appreciated. thanks in advance.

havikx said:
So i've been trying to gain 710oc speeds on my g1. after applying the angry birds fix, its so close to being playable and i think another 96mhz might just help it a little.
currently, i'm using the mytouch 2.2 Rom by ezterry. radio and spl below.
i changed kernels from ezterry's 2708enabled kernel to pershoots latest kernel recently. it all works fine, but i was expecting it to be 710oc. it is still at 614. and there are so many options of kernels that now i'm getting confused as to which one is which.
also, the kernels all say cm in them. should this be a concern to me, using the mytouch2.2 rom?
i'm hoping some1 could direct me the flashable 2708enabled kernel with 710oc speeds that will work with mytouch 2.2 rom. help is always appreciated. thanks in advance.
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I wouldnt even wanna push it to 710 lol anywho whats the AB fix?

Ooh pushing it to 710 would make it HIGHLY unstable. There are already issues at 614mhz. So if I was you...a 710mhz is a no no
Btw what's the Angry Birds fix?
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You would have to ask Ezterry, dumfuk, pershoot, or another kernel dev to make you one that's 2708 compatible. Also, running at 614 can cause random freezes. Multiply that by 96, and 710 isn't that much of a gain once you factor in how often it would freeze and you'd have to pull the battery. Running Angry Birds on a G1 is like running Windows 7 on a Pentium.
+1 for the Angry Birds fix. Where'd you find that at?

Its the kernel that's not letting you clock faster. 710 lol why so high. Stay with 528 man. G1 not supposed to clock any higher than that. At most 576 if you really think its that much better.
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my phone has been running stable at 614 n does about 12 hours....i would love to be able to boost it a lil more......if u find nethin let me know