First of all I open this new thread so that the users who have need to discussion about everything they will; that they can do it in this thread!!!!!!
I'm a person who live in a free country so I don't have the intention to ask to stop giving your opinion; but I find that if you need to change your opinion you must also respect the creator from the thread you do it in!!
I don't find it courteous to do it in a thread from someone else!!
So have respect to the people who have open his thread to give something to us and don't fill it with your opinions and discussions, and let his thread clean!
I open this thread so we can discuss about everything you want!!
@ the moderators!!
Sorry that I opened this thread but I was sad to see in several thread more posts about discussions with opinions from a work!! If you are not agreement with me, you can this thread!
[Mod edit] Thread has been close by request of the OP.
Thank god
I'm starting to get bored with dinik vs the world that appears to be taking hostage of others peoples thread.
I'm not backing any sides I see both points of views but to hijack someone else's thread isn't fair on the originator.No doubt its still going to happen but at least they can now slag each other off in this thread opposed to stealing the limelight from others who decide to share in a public forum like this.
I'll shut up now and let the *****ing commence
Cheers kurt
I guess I will start it off with this then...
Happy Fathers day everyone!!!
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I guess I will start it off with this then...
Happy Fathers day everyone!!!
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lol!
hi,
i'm David and i have a problem!!!!
is not long time i'm addicted , but yes i'am ....
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hi,
i'm David and i have a problem!!!!
is not long time i'm addicted , but yes i'am ....
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trying to remove dink from my phone but even when i change it by JWD but it still show in my quick link ant suggestion
Sorry but I don't really see the need for this thread. The mature route would be to handle
disagreements via pm rather than publically flaming and humiliating them. I would rather see the moderators putting a stop to this behaviour and not allowing it to go on at all.
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Sorry but I don't really see the need for this thread. The mature route would be to handle
disagreements via pm rather than publically flaming and humiliating them. I would rather see the moderators putting a stop to this behaviour and not allowing it to go on at all.
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I agree, but a lot of people DO comment in the open, for different reasons. This may help to alleviate off-topic discussion in other threads, it may not.
This does not have to be a Flame war thread, opinions can be shared with civility.
EDIT: Happy Father's Day!
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trying to remove dink from my phone but even when i change it by JWD but it still show in my quick link ant suggestion
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no chance you can only destroy your phone, sorry
Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out...
I started skinning for myself, and for fun, but when everyone seemed to like my work, I was happy to share what I do with everyone on xda, as that is what this community is all about, sharing. Also i have posted some rules, as i wanted to stay the set high quality. And i think the rules where fair for all.
However, since the success of Anastasia, I feel things are getting out of hand.. I didn't mind when people used some of my work, it made me feel proud and so I kept devleloping Anastasia for both me and xda... However the reason I teamed up with Miri in making the rom was because I thought people would like all my work in one easy to get to place, and it gave Miri's rom a nice, INDIVIDUAL theme.
HOWEVER, now DJC has suggested people rip my rom's files to put my work onto other roms, I am quite angry as I have specifically said that the files are exclusive.
But people went against my will and took my work, when I said not to do, and so I understandably got annoyed, however it seems I have become everyones enemy, when all I set out to do was have fun skinning different aspects of my phone....spending countless hours to give you all something unique and nice for FREE.
I don't see what is wrong with my decision? I provided a fair amount of cabs to skin alot of the phone on my thread that can be found [Here] and then said that any extra bits are exclusively for my rom, What is wrong with that? If there was nothing exclusive, then all the rom's would be the same, and Rom flashing could get boring for some people...
So here is what I have decided...
I will continue to do my work, as long as it doesn't start any more arguments, and I shall follow the rules I set out already. If anyone breaks them, or if another argument starts again, I will very likely stop skinning on xda all together, as it is starting to feel like more of a chore than a hobby...
So please, do not release my work, or any modification of my work, anywhere, You are free to modify what I do for personal use, but just don't release it. Also please dont re-upload my work anywhere else, please always just provide a link to where you originally found it on my thread, this way I can keep a better track of how many people download it.
Ah and btw...i decided not to post any cabs only because of some users hear...that again only anger abot me and my works...and ignored my wishes by copying my works without asking for permission...and without puting any credits! So now that people are forcing me again to do a next decision that i dont want (quit posting everything).
@Dinik, I can respect your position. I just find that it is one that is not commonly taken here.
Of course, you are entitled to credit and respect, you have earned it many times over. I certainly have a high respect for your abilities.
But, to be honest seems wierd to have to avoid the use of certain elements because of exclusivity. We hack, slash, and decompile stuff as a rule of thumb around here.
Don't take this the wrong way, I will follow your rules. I would just like to try to convince you that exclusivity is not the way to go.
You have had issues with only a very small percentage of your users. No need to be upset and punish everyone. No one wants to see you fail.
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Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out......message truncated
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with you my friend...this is unfair!!
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Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out.....message truncated..
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i am with you
Just so you all know that this thread has been reported and is being watched.
Have a wonderful day (Fathers Day for all those that it applies to).
Justice for Dinik
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@Dinik, I can respect your position. I just find that it is one that is not commonly taken here.
Of course, you are entitled to credit and respect, you have earned it many times over. I certainly have a high respect for your abilities.
But, to be honest seems wierd to have to avoid the use of certain elements because of exclusivity. We hack, slash, and decompile stuff as a rule of thumb around here.
Don't take this the wrong way, I will follow your rules. I would just like to try to convince you that exclusivity is not the way to go.
You have had issues with only a very small percentage of your users. No need to be upset and punish everyone. No one wants to see you fail.
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exclusivity should be there for certain elements for certain period ,so that the originator gets due credit for his hard work in this community.
No one should just hijack someone else hard earned work without permission.
Really unfair.
Hope Dinik gets Justice and due credits for his hard work soon.
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exclusivity should be there for cetain elements for certain period ,so that the originator gets due credit for his hard work in this community.
Really unfair.Hope Dinik gets Justice and due credits for his hard work soon.
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I can totally dig it if there is a exclusivity period. I have not heard a time frame discussed. I've only read that cabs will be no longer distributed and only HD2 owners on one ROM will get to use the theme.
I can handle that, but not without at least asking first. Call me a fan.
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I can totally dig it if there is a exclusivity period. I have not heard a time frame discussed. I've only read that cabs will be no longer distributed and only HD2 owners on one ROM will get to use the theme.
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i have posted i already somewhere...but again...
Originally it was planed to be 1st exclusive for rom and after some period of time...i wanted to post cabs.
But then it came to this:
i decided not to post any cabs only because of some users hear...that again only anger abot me and my works...and ignored my wishes by copying my works without asking for permission...and without puting any credits! So now that people are forcing me again to do a next decision that i dont want (quit posting everything).
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i have posted i already somewhere...but again...
Originally it was planed to be 1st exclusive for rom and after some period of time...i wanted to post cabs.
But then it came to this:
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Cheers, missed that post. I only hope time will change your mind. Peace.
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Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out...message truncated...
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yes i have help another user and have say if he wants your files he can find them in miri's rom and he must extract them for personal use to not break the rules,your own rules(before your addition) to avoid discussion like this but you can't resist,you must have this child reaction like you have them all the time.
its clear we all know your rules today....
your crying all the time for respect but you never had respect for anyone here until you have a win situation...is this in first place not disrespect to others?
and no im not jalous but i think on all the other skinners here,with your rules and requests applyed today for each skinner then in each rom threads there will be more rules,names,donate buttons as info about the creation,i think all posts must be changed here and in the roms thread.
now you don't have made the new rule 12 that you use so much but im thinking if this rule is not made to avoid your problem that you have create here in the biginning.is this a good idea, yes but it does not and will not give you more right, that would be wrong for others.
I also think you should listen instead of always getting mad you do not even leave you time to think so that you act quickly!
so i ask you to calm down and on moderators to think about it and enforce the rules but all the same.this must stop because where is fun today on xda?
the truth is that I have never seen such situations before!
Thanks
i dont get what you wanna say djc...if you read my post once again...you gonna see that i dont want much...but give much back.
the truth is...
we artists spend time...effort...and put even love in developing our projects...for free...just to share
we deserve some rights for our projects...files...images...or what ever
but lately...i have been attacked...by some people...and they wher forcing me to go their way...or else they just didnt stopped to attack me and what im doing
i dont think that its fair...to get such responses for hard work.
its nothing wrong...if i as developer wish some small and fair rules...no rules doesent means that its the best way.
i know 90% of users like what i do...and have no problems with me and my rules...but this few people...just dont stop to anger me.
there is one ultimate rule over all others.
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DEVELOPER OR HIS RULES OR HIS CONCEPT.
JUST DONT USE HIS WORKS. STOP SUPPORT HIM.
but this few people dont want to do that...why? because they love my work...and they use it all the time...so why do they anger me...dont know...jealous...or they want copy me to get also good responses...i dont know that.
i just wished that the moderators would more react on such post...because i didnt do nothing bad...to no one!
btw...my icon set was downloaded over 15 000x times...that tells how many people are ok with me and what im doing...and how many are screaming against me...5 or 10?
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Okay guys....this is the deal.
Right now I am pissed off by the noobs!
Me, Dr Puttingham, Faria and a few others..."the Gods of the Wizard Upgrading Forum" (if I can call myself and the rest of them like that) are pissed off, mostly because we got tired by all the noobs asking the same questions over and over and over again....
A few months ago this forum had some "higher intelligence" and most people did read the forum before asking, the last 1,5 month, they are first starting to ask and then read. Giving us the blame for bricking their "brand new Wizard"....screw that!
A few weeks ago I have setup a forum on www.molski.biz (www.molski.biz/forum) until now it has not been used a lot, not even by me, I didn't care about my own forum, I only cared about the XDA forum.
But right now I am thinking of moving over to my own forum, release my Roms only on my forum, answer posts only on my forum, help noobs (that can convince me that they read, read, read and only then asked a question!).
The advantage me, my mods and my admins will have is the ability to delete stupid cid-lock, what's the best rom, where is my comm manager button and how can I see if I have a G3 or G4 Wizard questions. Only questions, tutorials, information that are worth posting will stay on the forum, the rest will be deleted without asking.
Using my forum this way will keep it clean, good and every post will be worth reading!
I also have the power to let new users only post a week after registration, ban them if they get rude and things like that.
Hopefully I will get the GOOD people of XDA with me to my forum (XDA Admins, please believe me when I say I DON'T wanna steal any member, but you have to understand, XDA is going down the drain if you guys don't do something about all the irritations of respected members very soon!).
So guys, please come to www.molski.biz/forum and start filling it, so me and others can join in an active way!
Regards,
Molski
Molski,
I greatly apprecaiate your contributions, time and effort to this site. I have learned alot from your posts, threads and tutorials.
See you over at molski.biz
Molski,
I think there are a lot of people here that have upgraded to your roms and not asked the dumb questions.
I'm a noob, I read all the posts about using cooked roms for weeks before I decided to upgrade to your rom. I never asked any questions and I did not brick my phone. I find it amusing how many people did not read the threads and bricked their phones.
I find your rom to be outstanding, so if I have to go to your website to get a newer one then so be it.
Cheers.
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Molski,
I think there are a lot of people here that have upgraded to your roms and not asked the dumb questions.
Cheers.
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True, but also a lot noobs that do it, also a lot of people that never post here are PMing or emailing me with tons of questions!
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I find your rom to be outstanding, so if I have to go to your website to get a newer one then so be it.
Cheers.
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
Regards,
Molski
Moving On Up
I,ve been a maemberof you new forum for over a week and for one is glad that you and the other mods will be paying more attention t your site. Appreciate all that you and the others have done for all of us and looking forward for more the same.
OK I will join you
I am using your ROM (the older 30 MB one), and I learned a lot from you
Thanks
Just joined
I look forward to what is to come.
Kirby
The Gods of the Wizard Upgrading Forum.
I'm also a little upset by the some questions raised by some of the "noobs" as you call them.
...... Also I'm as upset by some answers written by the "gods" as you call yourself.
If you want to open up your "expert" Forum, then please do, but don't expect anything better. The way you're acting now you'll will always, in any other Forum, be annoyed by the less experienced.....
Don't worry that I will join yours because, although listed as senior member, I still consider myself a 'Noob".
Credit to Dr. P. whom I consider a "God of the Wizard Upgrading Forum", he always tries, although pissed of, to answer even the silly questions.
That Mr. Molski shows the true meaning of "Gods" as you call them.
here we go again...
it looks to me that if you dont dedicate youself to this site 24/7 ,you no longer are remebered or or appriciated , among others. all every one wants is take.
people have no idea.....
ho yes.... were da hell is my paycheck from xda from this month? ehehe
regards .
lets do it...
molski any news flash on combining ur work with faria? i used faria's new rom and it's fast but found it a bit unstable and went back to urs.
thanks
o yea... which would be the best rom for my wizard? (heh srry but i couldn't resist)
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o yea... which would be the best rom for my wizard? (heh srry but i couldn't resist)
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The best will be a 1.01 Rom from your vendor
Molski
Fine … take you whining somewhere else
As you can see I'm a n00b but as I have both a Hermes, a Universal and a Wizard I tend to spend most of my time on the Universal forum checking back here on an infrequent basis and I have to say that the whining and whinging that goes on here is enough to put off anyone for life.
It seems to me that you (Molski, Dr Puttingham et al) all want the glory and adulation of being the "Gods of the Wizard" (WTF) so jump in with answers to any questions that are posted only to whinge and whine about it later. Easiest thing is don't do it, don't jump in with your smart-ass comments about how someone is too stupid to own a glorious Wizard (hey guys, reality check, it's just a freakin' phone!!!). Maybe the upgrades won't come as quick if you leave but do you really think that you're the only ones with the "gift". You might want to take a leaf out of the book of people like Pof, Memaich, LtCmdrIvan and the likes.
GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY
I don't think it's a matter of "the new guy" per se, I think it's a matter of having allowed this site's IQ to drop to half of what it was a year ago. I grant you, I'm tired of this constant, endless "HELP I BRICKED MY PHONE" bull**** too but that's only a part of it. You also have people like that asshat "__s" and the oh-so-moral-minority justifying their theft of Agile messager. They have plenty of experience flashing their phones but they're still dragging this site into oblivion and simply moving it isn't going to help. Years ago I ran a technical site (not about phones) and I ruled it with an iron fist and it worked out really well. Oh yeah, there would be the occasional hippie who would cry about "freedom of speech" and whatnot but I'm not the government, I don't give a damn about freedom of anything. If you showed up on my site with the intention of causing problems, you were gone, end of story. And THAT is what's REALLY needed, if you ask me. If you want to show up and ask how to CID unlock your phone, that's fine. If you learn and then turn around and help others, awesome! But if you show up knowing everything there is to know about PDA phones and use it to steal, insult, mislead, confuse and whatever else goes on around here, you and everything you've posted are gone. THAT is what this site needs, not just the blind dismissal of new people, and THAT is, most likely, never going to happen here which is why I'm writing this place off as a waste of time.
Edit: Heh....see above. Just had to come cry about it, I guess. Buh-bye.
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I don't think it's a matter of "the new guy" per se, I think it's a matter of having allowed this site's IQ to drop to half of what it was a year ago. I grant you, I'm tired of this constant, endless "HELP I BRICKED MY PHONE" bull**** too but that's only a part of it. You also have people like that asshat "__s" and the oh-so-moral-minority justifying their theft of Agile messager. They have plenty of experience flashing their phones but they're still dragging this site into oblivion and simply moving it isn't going to help. Years ago I ran a technical site (not about phones) and I ruled it with an iron fist and it worked out really well. Oh yeah, there would be the occasional hippie who would cry about "freedom of speech" and whatnot but I'm not the government, I don't give a damn about freedom of anything. If you showed up on my site with the intention of causing problems, you were gone, end of story. And THAT is what's REALLY needed, if you ask me. If you want to show up and ask how to CID unlock your phone, that's fine. If you learn and then turn around and help others, awesome! But if you show up knowing everything there is to know about PDA phones and use it to steal, insult, mislead, confuse and whatever else goes on around here, you and everything you've posted are gone. THAT is what this site needs, not just the blind dismissal of new people, and THAT is, most likely, never going to happen here which is why I'm writing this place off as a waste of time.
Edit: Heh....see above. Just had to come cry about it, I guess. Buh-bye.
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BRILLIANT POST!!!
XDA-Idiots.....
I'm signing off here, my financial contributions and tech troubleshooting skills will be better used in the Iron-fisted Molski Forum.
This place has become a daycare for whining brats who spend all their cash on a phone they can't afford then steal the software they want and complain when someone else won't quit their day job to help them mod their phone.
You guys can shove your Warez up your __S
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You guys can shove your Warez up your __S
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LOL (i love the pun!)
................................................. oh and wait for me Im coming!!!!!!!!
rpwood said:
As you can see I'm a n00b but as I have both a Hermes, a Universal and a Wizard I tend to spend most of my time on the Universal forum checking back here on an infrequent basis and I have to say that the whining and whinging that goes on here is enough to put off anyone for life.
It seems to me that you (Molski, Dr Puttingham et al) all want the glory and adulation of being the "Gods of the Wizard" (WTF) so jump in with answers to any questions that are posted only to whinge and whine about it later. Easiest thing is don't do it, don't jump in with your smart-ass comments about how someone is too stupid to own a glorious Wizard (hey guys, reality check, it's just a freakin' phone!!!). Maybe the upgrades won't come as quick if you leave but do you really think that you're the only ones with the "gift". You might want to take a leaf out of the book of people like Pof, Memaich, LtCmdrIvan and the likes.
GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY
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or people could take a leaf of your book and say;
f*k it...
piss off etc etc . but then it would not be any info for you to read.
Wow, dem some strong words for someone who doesn't even own a machine gun...
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Instead of getting upset at the noobies, why no just place a passage at the start of every rom you post that "I will answer no questions about this rom unless it's a design flaw of some sort..."
Or "LISTEN YOUSE PEOPLE!!! IF YOU ASK SILLY QUESTIONS LIKE - SHOULD I UNLOCK MY PHONE - DO NOT USE THIS ROM AS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! READ XDA FOR ABOUT A MONTH THEN COME BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS... I WILL NOT RESPOND TO SILLY QUESTIONS."
I mean come on!!! Your an expert at this. You consider yourself a Wizard god! Of course people are gonna hit you up with silly questions... Youse is the man, where else are they gonna go? To the Wizard devil? Force them to the dark side? Come Skywalker, have patience with the younglings.
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Instead of getting upset at the noobies, why no just place a passage at the start of every rom you post that "I will answer no questions about this rom unless it's a design flaw of some sort..."
Or "LISTEN YOUSE PEOPLE!!! IF YOU ASK SILLY QUESTIONS LIKE - SHOULD I UNLOCK MY PHONE - DO NOT USE THIS ROM AS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! READ XDA FOR ABOUT A MONTH THEN COME BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS... I WILL NOT RESPOND TO SILLY QUESTIONS."
I mean come on!!! Your an expert at this. You consider yourself a Wizard god! Of course people are gonna hit you up with silly questions... Youse is the man, where else are they gonna go? To the Wizard devil? Force them to the dark side? Come Skywalker, have patience with the younglings.
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The problem is that all of this has been done. The true problem is that the noobs won't read they download the ROM's and then ask questions.
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The problem is that all of this has been done. The true problem is that the noobs won't read they download the ROM's and then ask questions.
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Then in that case, they deserve to have $400 bricks. Reading is fundamental [any one remember that commercial?]. I just joined the new forum... Since I've been here, I haven't installed a ROM unless I knew exactly what I was doing. No one to blame but myself if I messed things up...
I've noticed a pattern lately.
1. There has been a large influx of new people that disregard the walkthroughs, wikis and don't know how to search.
2. Our older members have been getting shorter and shorter tempers when it comes to answering n00bs who ask the same questions that have been answered a million times.
So, what are we to do?
The older members need to realize that not everybody is good at using the search feature, which is why I will be writing a walkthrough here. They also need to be a bit more patient with those who genuinely seem to be lost. For those who just don't read, go ahead and flame them. Or at least just give them a link to something and make them read it themselves, that way they feel like "oh... I could've found that myself. Next time, I think I'll search."
How to search:
I understand that the search feature seems somewhat useless because when one searches for say, "how to flash", one gets 20 pages of random things.
So, here are the basics on finding what you need:
Step 1: Check the stickies. The first posts on every forum that say Sticky are posts that were stickied to the top of the forum for a reason. These tend to have all the information you need that people ask often.
Step 2: Know the organization of the forums. I know they're a little crazy. Do you check Herald or Herald upgrading or Herald mobile 6. Usually, if it's related to Window Mobile 6, stick to the Mobile 6 forum.
Step 3: Wikis: If you look at the Herald forum, you'll notice a sticky about the Herald wiki. A wiki, is just that. A wiki. You'll find ALL kinds of useful info.
Step 4: When you search:
Limit your words to ideas. "How to flash" is nice, but "Flashing" or "flash" will do fine.
Words have to be at least 4 letters for it to search for them. Thus "how" and "to" are ignored.
Search titles only first for "how to"s before searching through an entire post. Chances are someone may have already asked the question.
If someone tells you to search for a walkthrough that they wrote, use the find threads by user and find posts by user feature. They're basically telling you everything you need to know to find it.
Ok, so you found a million threads on flashing. Now you see that if you click on thread one, it's not about flashing but it has about 1,300 posts. How can you read EVERY single one of them. When you do a search, if you narrow it down to show results as threads, you'll get the posts themselves that have the words you're looking for an not a thread which mentions "flashing" somewhere in the 1158th post.
One thing, READ EVERY POST, not just the posts that are replies to you. This happens often:
OP: Is it possible to flash my phone with ZOMG teh Best ROM?
1P: What are you trying to flash?
2P: It's impossible. I'm sorry, but ZOMG teh Best ROM was made for HTC's ROFLCOPTER!!!!111 and you have a HTC Normal.
OP: Is it possible to flash my phone with ZOMG teh Best ROM?
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3P: I can try to help you. What kind of phone do you have?
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OP: Why isn't it working?
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This doesn't really talk about the treatment of new people.. but does give a good positive solution which probably will be ignored or forgotten.
it seems quite a few of the people here tend to be jerks to newer people.
the end.
Right to the point
thankx ivanmmj. Indeed a good workthrough
I agree with you abt the newbies. And i seen proof of some circumstances too. Actually for the past 3 days, whenever i check for new post, i find one or two newbie everyday asking mostly abt HOW TO UNLOCK and WHERE TO GET THE ORIGINAL SHIPPED ROMS.
And most of them seem genuinely lost. Sometimes newbies tend to get worried or too excited to check on the search tool. I mean, it isnt everyday that you purchase a new Pocket PC, and then you find out its SIM LOCKED and so on.
And since internet is the answer, we somehow stumble upon this forum and quickly tend to ask question, rather than check on the forum features/threads. Some of us are not the same on that factor.
So its in my suggestion that we create a separate forum for these special areas of need and of Original Shipped Roms page. But anyways this is jus an idea.
And yes abt how newbies are treated, i guess it wud be a lot easier that we direct them to the correct thread with the advice of search tool, instead of blaming anyone to JUST use search tool. I mean, they are newbies, how can they jus know which term to specifically search or how credible a search result is. And a post to the right direction for a newbie, minimizes them from posting again and again and again. It really helps!!!!
yeah Im a jerk...
thx
good to know
I really dont see any point in this "walkthrough"
Dont get me wrong here, its a good idea, but a old one
NO MATTER how many guides, rules, walkthroughs w/e anyone try to make, the socalled nOOb thing will always be present.
Its been tried before, here, and in thousands of other forums
PPL wants quickfix, they dont wanna search, they want us to personally guide them or walk them through everything.
If we make a BIG flashing announcement, most ppl will never care to read. They come to get something cool and leave. They come back if there is a error or a bug and flame us, many times in pm and on msn.
I have considered remove my msn from xda, but I dont because I occationally get some nice contacts.
Since I joined xda, my pm inbox has a couple thousand pm's, half is what I consider junk...
If we are such jerks, then just stay away from our work and our threads, go to those who answer all your questions with a wagging tail.
I have spendt so many hours on this that I dont even wanna think about it, and I get accused that I do it for fame, glory, and w/e
I DONT CARE
you wanna know why I keep releasing builds here after I got my kaiser? I do it because there is some friends here that have asked if I could continue.
I could easily put my roms in private network, but I choose to share what I do, for free....
So if thats beeing a jerk, then im happy to be one. I would rather be a jerk then the opposite.
have a nice day
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thankx ivanmmj. Indeed a good workthrough
I agree with you abt the newbies. And i seen proof of some circumstances too. Actually for the past 3 days, whenever i check for new post, i find one or two newbie everyday asking mostly abt HOW TO UNLOCK and WHERE TO GET THE ORIGINAL SHIPPED ROMS.
And most of them seem genuinely lost. Sometimes newbies tend to get worried or too excited to check on the search tool. I mean, it isnt everyday that you purchase a new Pocket PC, and then you find out its SIM LOCKED and so on.
And since internet is the answer, we somehow stumble upon this forum and quickly tend to ask question, rather than check on the forum features/threads. Some of us are not the same on that factor.
So its in my suggestion that we create a separate forum for these special areas of need and of Original Shipped Roms page. But anyways this is jus an idea.
And yes abt how newbies are treated, i guess it wud be a lot easier that we direct them to the correct thread with the advice of search tool, instead of blaming anyone to JUST use search tool. I mean, they are newbies, how can they jus know which term to specifically search or how credible a search result is. And a post to the right direction for a newbie, minimizes them from posting again and again and again. It really helps!!!!
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Ditto.
I have noticed the flaming as well, not just in the herald forum, but in others as well. It is unfortunate and it is my hope that it'll change. I more or less just post the link or post number and move on.
I completely agree with you and totally support Ivanmmj's efforts to minimize countless and repetitive posts requesting/asking the same questions on multiple threads. I, as well as every other "senior" and experienced "junior" member were once nOObs. Regardless, Ivanmmj's efforts are applauded and I thank you.
ITJE .. realize that you are talented and post some of most unique roms here. So of course, many people here are going to consider you as a guru. You may not consider yourself as one, but others do. I don't consider you a jerk in the least, but if you truly didn't care and if you didn't feel you have abolutely nothing to contribute, you would not be here. You've made it abundantly clear "why" you're here now and I thank you for sharing that. Maybe putting your roms in/on a private network might work for you and your friends. Just a thought. You will be missed for sure.
I can truly understand your frustration, but we (senior, juniors, gurus, gurus in-training, even nOObs) truly need to remain positive and objective instead of flaming or blaming. All I want to do is be a support and encourage what you're good at and enjoy (here, lol).
Just thinking if the search could be predominate on the page -- like a huge search box in red or something ???? Then maybe people would use it.
I personally do my best to help people, and always try to steer them clear of PMing or IMing ITJE... because I know how "annoying" it can be to receive thousands of messages from people on here asking the simplest questions.
ITJE, everyone here appreciates your work, and I hate to see you get upset because of a couple of idiots who piss you off when you work so hard for us expecting nothing in return. So let me take this time to apologize on behalf of everyone here and thank you on behalf of everyone for all of your efforts.
It is most certainly true what you say that the n00b will always be present, so I think that the rest of us, need to take those situations and help them n00bs hence alleviating ITJE's responsibility from doing so. It's obvious that most people don't like to read everything and search for answers when it's always easier to ask ask ask.... but in my opinion, that's the whole basis of XDA ... to help others. So basically, what we need to do is a community effort.
All the n00bsout there, PLEASE PLEASE help us, by trying to help yourselves first. We want to help you, we will help you, but you need to do your part in helping us help you. All the information you could ever need is located in this forum.
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION ON THE FORUM OR USE THE GOOGLE SEARCH of the site in order to search for solutions to your issues.
To the Seniors and Juniors out there, we need to try to be more patient with n00bs... going back and remembering how WE at some point were in that same position. Let's not forget the whole premise of why this site exists and continues to excel in its purpose.
To the COOKS who donate your time, effort, and expertise. Thank you. While some people, primarily because of ignorance, may not appreciate your efforts, please know that we who have been here and know your efforts, whole-heartedly appreciate you and everything you contribute. If it weren't for you, this website wouldn't exist. I know it must be terribly frustrating to have everyone criticizing, complaining and it may feel like they are pissing on your work which you donate selflessly to this site, but know that the majority of us do in fact appreciate what you do more than we express to you.
The search function on this forum is just plain terrible. Either that or I don't know how to search and will look forward to the walkthrough. But even displaying posts instead of threads does not help very much.
My two cents for those trying to search....use google instead and add "site:forum.xda-developers.com" in the search box. At least those results are easier to look through.
ITJE .. realize that you are talented and post some of most unique roms here. So of course, many people here are going to consider you as a guru. You may not consider yourself as one, but others do. I don't consider you a jerk in the least, but if you truly didn't care and if you didn't feel you have abolutely nothing to contribute, you would not be here. You've made it abundantly clear "why" you're here now and I thank you for sharing that. Maybe putting your roms in/on a private network might work for you and your friends. Just a thought. You will be missed for sure.
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Is that a hint, like..piss off (edit: I AM joking )
jk
I never said I would do that, I said the opposite.
I said I am a jerk cause im staying here.
I dont see what some call flaming of newbees
Its a reaction to lazyness
when sollutions is posted in the post #1 and 2, or maybe 3....written in big letters, and in a thread counting 40-50 replies, the same question is asked in about 10% or more, maybe even asked 1 or 2 pages after the answer or/and the sollution, then..well...
Maybe im not the most patient guy in the world, and I certainly have not tried to be either, but usually I try my best to provide the help I can or am able/willing to give.
And about that "Made it clear why im here thing"
Im here to share my work with all who wants it.
When I got my Kaiser/Tytn2, I decided tomove over there with my work, and sell off my herald. But I was convinced to stay and continue do some work.
And no one can say that I was not called a jerk, cause yes, I obviously do "flame" the socalled nOObs.
Most of it are sarcastic, but its also the truth.
I dont accept that my threads are spammed with 50% bull**** and the same questions over and over.
No matter what I write..Dont spam, read before you ask, use search through google/xda w/e
PPL DONT SEE IT
The jump clear cause they are lazy, they see the message, READ THIS, but they dont.
If I in.ex write like this, on top of the release:
There is a bug with MMS in this release, I am working on it.
Then there will be atleast 5-6 ppl saying MMS is not working, and telling me the rom is unstable because of this
Hell, I even had a guy typing in biggest letters available
WARNING DONT USE THIS ROM, INTERNETSHARING IS NOT WORKING (something like that)
I respect all who wants to contribute, to share what they know.
I respect those who dont know anything, but hangs around, download w/e and use w/e is posted here.
I do NOT respect ppl who comes in and claim they have used search, and not found anything.
Maybe my searchbutton is the only one working, cause sometimes when ppl claim they have been using search, and could not find anything. I tested and did same search and got many hits within 3-5 posts, and found what they had searched for with no problem....
I do not respect ppl whos first and second post is about the flaws in a rom they just downloaded
"I have been around for many years and know my way around the forums, and I know how to find stuff" and they got a postcount that say 5, and they ask questions that makes me wonder if they have a teflon brain, cause if you have been around xda for a long time, and dont even know how to soft and hard reset, then....
I might seam angry in what I have written, or sad, or w/e
Im not
Im just amazed..
cause im a jerk
Totally irrelevant but Itje, you remind me of my best friend of 17 years and he lives 1,500 miles away from me. . He'll say things that sound crude and mean, but underneath, he's truly genuine and warm hearted. My point is that you're a softy . Just joking.
I lately tend to simply ignore questions which I'm sure I have seen a few pages ago or very very close at the beginning.
I fully agree with Itje that it is pure laziness if somebody says he read the thread or spent some time in solving his problems
if the solution to the question is written in the first, second or third post or maybe still on the first page.
It feels like a slap in the face and has the taste of a being lied to, so I rather ignore those person/question and
wish that others who once asked the same question jump in for help and give something back to the forum.
That's the spirit of this forum.
PS: I dont like flaming either, but often it's totally understandable, but still it's wrong.
No offense.. but i've been around here for a long time. I don't post a lot, but I do a lot of reading. I also have been active on many many different boards. What gets me about this board and many others is that some people think they have a whole bunch of clout just because the post a lot.. well whoopty freakin doo..
In regards to the search subject: searching here is a pain in the arse. Nobody's topics are clear, and you can describe what you are looking for in a million different ways. So, what you are trying to fix will not be fixed. The only thing that would be lovely to see change would be to see the flamers come down off their high forum poster horses and join the rest of us on Earth.
Start flame now...
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To follow up with my claims about topics.. here is an example that caused me to ask for help. This topic:
Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL
Ok.. so I had done Open Touch 2.3 or something and taken a few weeks from reading the forums and I come back and Open Touch 2.7 was just an NBH file.. so i read the wiki, which leads you to dead links, or at least it did that week when I was trying to figure this out. But here is my issue with that topic.. I look at that I and I think.. "Flashing Aserg" In my mind I think, that's not for me, I don't want or even know what ASERG is, nor USPL nor Hard SPL.. I'm looking for "NBH" right?? Nothing helpful came up. Try searching in the Herald forum for "how to flash nbh" see what you get... unless it's a very specific string you are looking for, good luck.
A fix to that topic? how bout: Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing --using-- Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL
That would have at least got me into that subject.. and guess what.. there the answer I needed lies.
I finally got it thanks to duprade and ttran001 in this thread that i hijacked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362986&page=2
Neither of them flamed.. good dudes.
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So just to keep you all informed.
Not only in forums but also in Moderator-Talk we are discussing the problem of flaming...
... and there are several point of start...
- more and more people wnat ALL for free and want it personalized to themselfe (like all around the world in "real life"
- reading is time = time is money = all for free = no reading...
- xda is GROWING - when you can get a XDA TErra for 40€ with contract also "young" (i mean yound brains" start buying a PPC for chatting and all that..... But aren´t used to read... jk
- blaming is on of the BEST FREETIME game: see "Big Idol", "Superstar" or ALL the castingsshows round the world.
So what I want to say... the world is getting worse - and that wouldn´t take a break on XDA-dev.
BUT all have to work on it.
Flar - our admin - is working on the searchfunction!!!!
Cookers - maybe the releases must have BIG letters!
Moderator - please don´t take part on flaming and advise other who are blaming
Seniors - please keep helping each other
Noobs - pleas read, read, read
AND to ALL: Please let´s start to keep threads clean again...
A thread with 200post and 20 pages BEFORE the rom is released is NOT the way it should be...
And posts like:
1.: "You are releasing - great"
2.: "I´m downloading"
3.: "Flashing process 80%"
4.: "Flashing 99%"
5.: "Booting"
6.: "I will test...."
7.: "I will report..."
8.: "SO after testing for a while I found ......"
I think to start with post #8 would be the best way to keep threads clean...
Thanks.
Not sure if Ignoring is the answer ....................
If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........
And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.
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Totally irrelevant but Itje, you remind me of my best friend of 17 years and he lives 1,500 miles away from me. . He'll say things that sound crude and mean, but underneath, he's truly genuine and warm hearted. My point is that you're a softy . Just joking.
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yeah, Im a soft Jerk
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If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........
And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.
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If we use all our focus on answering the same questions over and over again, then we would spend less time cooking and figuring out the socalled bugs.
your loss...
But from what I understand, in you guys oppinion, we are supposed to answer everyone, no matter what, no matter how many times the same question is asked in a thread, and even if there is a thread with the sollution, maybe even a sticky?
You suggest that we give them a link to the post containing the answer, are we supposed to keep a Favourite list with a link to all answers we have supplied? and that we scroll through it to find the right one and post it?
Or maybe we could use search function? yeah wow, lets do all the work for the newbees...
NO MATTER what I write...its wrong
If I tell them to search, to use either google or searchfunction, they all claim to not find it (most do)
If I guide them to the answer, they keep coming asking next time, and next time and next time. Because they get the answers with no work trying to find it.
This might sound harsh or w/e
But every time I do try to help ppl out, they start adding me to msn, and pm me all the time asking for help and a personalized rom. They start acting as we are old time buddies, and whats next step? Im gonna be everones personal chef?
so im sure you wiseguys have a answer for that to, im sure. But thats because you just dont have a clue what this is all about.
Sure you help out with diffrent issues, and talk nicly to the newbees, thats totally cool with me.
Im sure you even like it, and that nice too.
Maybe we could call it "your function here"
and then I must add, thats not my function here.
Im no good with the "nOOb's" asking the same over and over (....)
A while back I was told (when a similar topic was brought up) just ignore them, and many agreed.
Basicly, thats not an option anymore either
SO, what I figure from all this, is that no matter what I do, im a jerk if I state what I feel in the matter, im a jerk if I ignore the questions.
The biggest problem beeing a person that help everyone out, is that more and more ppl comes to you, because you get a reputation that you are nice, helping and commited. But how much can a person contribute?
to be honest I feel that I am in a situation where I wish I could just cut all this out, I feel that no matter what I say or do, it tends to lead the wrong way.
I love making roms, its a great hobby. I like to help out, but I really dont have the time to get involved personally with everyones issues, everyones new fantastic ideas and cook a personal rom with this or that added, or this and that removed
Im not a bad guy, im not a angry pissed of guy who flames everyone who ask for my help. I have guided many on msn, mail and pm.
I try to look into the problems reported in my roms, and I try fix it. Even if I dont give a answer always to reporte bugs, I do note them, and I try to fix.
But I do have a family, I do have a job, and I do have other interests besides rom cooking.
Occationaly the cup runs over, we get tired of repeating ourself, and we answer in a sarcastic way.
im taking a break from this.
have fun all
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If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........
And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.
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Of course ignoring is the best answer, but it helps me from starting giving harsh answers.
I rather say nothing if I'm pissed than start blaming and complaining.
Instead of offending the person I rather keep quiet and really hope that people
who get the exact answer once assist with the same answer.
It has nothing to do with noobs helping noobs. It's more about sharing the same spirit to the whole community,
I really don't understand why only a group and always the same has to stand here and help, help, help.
None of us bought the knowledge with buying a PPC, we all sent down and read, read, read.
Things are free here, so the very least people can do is read.
One thing I really would like to see is, that we all should collect the bugs and solutions found over time
and pass it over to the moderator and/or cook to combine them on teh first page as those post are reserved already.
Like this you really can answer the so called stupid question with look in post #3 for the issue.
Like this we could keep the thread clean with all the bull**** as papamopps described.
And since I'm also one of those thread trashers who writes those useless "Thanks for the release" or "Your ROM looks awsome" posts
I will stop with that but try to give more constructive comments.
And even we seniors are not all knowing, I still learn a lot while hanging out here.
Post counts means nothing else than the activeness of a member does not necessarily reflects his knowledge about PPC.
And just like in real life, you don't approach a group of stranger who are in a conversation and start talking or even ask questions.
You listen first and slowly move along the conversation.
That's common etiquette and not just for grown ups also for the younger folks.
Those are common manners around the world.
We are all no employees of XDA-DEV we are all volounteers, so we really deserve the right whether to answer or not.
If we get paid for this I will even tell time and the weather forecast if that's the question ask
As long I'm here in my FREE time I choose whom to answer and whom not.
Cheers
@ Itje
101% behind you thoughts, I prefer being called a jerk too and stick with you guys. Having a good time here is more important for me and if I can only achieve that with ignoring some others, then it's a fair and low price.
I understand all the frustration over this. I apologize if my comment offended anyone. I was half joking. When I first came here, I had question and was just ignored. I always appreciated any help I got no matter how silly. Even now I find it difficult to search here.
I still think the search engine here should be tweaked so its easy to use and goes right to the right threads. One day I read 29 threads before I got the answer to the question I was searching for. I can see why people just ask -- it is irritating to some but easier for those seeking the answers.
anyway, yeah I guess you can just ignore the questions. I mean nobody is obligated to answer anyone.
This is a request to all uses and moderators.
I would like to see three things.
1) Sticky's/Announcements in Kaiser General to the FAQ/GWENI/ETC. Currently these are listed in ROM development and not intuitive for a new user to find.
2) A guide for NOOBZ - while the above are invaluable resources, they don't address very basic issues. Things like:
How do I use activesync to install a CAB?
How do I do a basic registry edit
Where can I look for good software for x, y, and z
What does ROM, CID, SIM, XML mean...in general a Glossary
other basic tasks/information
I don't have the bandwidth to create such a guide right now, but if someone would like to volunteer, particularly a user who has gone through a noob to more experienced level using this site and is aware of the issues and pitfalls. It would be much appreciated...
3) A forum section for Noobz... As we have seen many posts as of late with titles like "I am a noob" , "Help me...","What software is good?",etc.
I think having this forum there would attract these posts better while appease the larger community from having to entertain these even in the general forum. Which, as some have stated should be a forum for questions not releated to the other 3, and not as a place for spoonfeeding.
If you think any of these 3 suggestions is a good idea, please post your support and or ideas.
thanks
Agree, sounds like a good idea.
My other suggestion would be to migrate to mediawiki as it just works nicer and the wiki may be developed more and be easier for noobies to get through!
good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
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good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
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Im a noob and need help
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You mentioned "spoon fed" how do you do this? can you show me. Is it a .cab and if so how do i install.
Thank you and please don't flame me
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good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
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I agree.
However many of the "senior" or more educated members of the forum seem to get quite upset at these "noob" and/or redundant posts.
There are three ways to handle a post like this:
1) Ignore it
2) Flame it
3) Respond in a helpful manner
Ignoring it works, and it is something ALL OF US NEED TO DO MORE. Remember, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. (The Internet is encroaching more and more into the realm of real life...it has been shown more than once that bullying someone on line can have legal consequences in real life.). However, ignoring posts won't make them go away either, as there will be more since nothing is being done to educate the user or point future users in the right direction.
Flaming it serves no one any good. Stupid users won't learn, and if flaming makes you feel better, just remember you are taking up just as much (or more) of the forum resources and wasting just as much time flaming a worthless or uneducated post. Remember, fighting on the Internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded (no offense meant to the special olympics, or mentally challenged individuals...I have just always found this statement funny...and true).
Responding in a helpful manner should be the way to go if you choose not to ignore it. But, a helpful manner does not mean spoon feeding. Remember, "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime." Proactive responses such as sticky's and announcments do the most to this effect.
As a "forum" in the classical sense, this should be a place for thought and discussion. However, it is also a gathering place for the masses. The leaders of the society should strive to educate and elucidate. However this can't be done on an individual level for every single post.
No man is an island either and to be part of the greater continent that is XDA-DEVELOPERS they need to have a modicum of intellect insofar that they know how to navigate an internet site.
I would feel better knowing that we have made ALL the resources available to the masses. This way we don't need to feel bad about ignoring any posts that we deem are ignorant.
I'm sure you have all heard the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
Rather than attempt to dispel "NOOB" queries by means such as WIKIs,FAQs and the like which clearly have proven futile, it would make more sense to come up with a method of allowing such queries in a manner that doesn't encroach on the sense of ownership of the forum that seems to prevail amongst the senior members.
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This is a request to all uses and moderators.
I would like to see three things.
1) Sticky's/Announcements in Kaiser General to the FAQ/GWENI/ETC. Currently these are listed in ROM development and not intuitive for a new user to find.
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As stated to you before but I'm stating so that more people can see it, I completely agree with this.
2) A guide for NOOBZ - while the above are invaluable resources, they don't address very basic issues. Things like:
How do I use activesync to install a CAB?
How do I do a basic registry edit
Where can I look for good software for x, y, and z
What does ROM, CID, SIM, XML mean...in general a Glossary
other basic tasks/information
I don't have the bandwidth to create such a guide right now, but if someone would like to volunteer, particularly a user who has gone through a noob to more experienced level using this site and is aware of the issues and pitfalls. It would be much appreciated...
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Also as you know, I have gone from newb to somewhat experienced almost solely through this site and I'll work on the bold part above this week and weekend. Here is my 1st attempt at it though.
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I'm sure you have all heard the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
Rather than attempt to dispel "NOOB" queries by means such as WIKIs,FAQs and the like which clearly have proven futile, it would make more sense to come up with a method of allowing such queries in a manner that doesn't encroach on the sense of ownership of the forum that seems to prevail amongst the senior members.
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I'm not sure what the point of stating this is?
We have a new idea...the noob forum. This is in addition to refining the current methods to possibly make them more effective.
What would your method be?
I also don't feel that the senior's assume a sense of ownership. Except to the effect that without them there would be no resources and thus this site wouldn't exist and thus be visited by noobz. I think the sense is more of outrage or incredulity the same as any member of a community would have when it accumulates members who have no concept of how to function in that society.
Don't you think that some people in your community might get a little offput if they had some native tribe move in and walk around naked? Performed drum circles at 2am every night? Dump on the lawns?
It is about community upkeep, and you don't have to be a senior to do it. In fact, some seniors may be counter productive. It is about being knowledgeable of your surroundings and willing to learn the rules to properly assimilate.
i love ur writing style bengalih ur posts are always so perfectly composed
I agree as well
I am not new to the forum because I have been lurking in the shadows for a while and have not posted anything as of yet but I have to totally agree with this request as I think that it is a great idea.I know that it would help me out a lot and feel that it would help others out as well.
I also just wanted to post this private message I got from a user:
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Hello I'm [name removed] and I will be the first to say that I am new to all of this but I was reading a post and u had suggested that a "noobie Forum" might be a good idea and I would have to agree.
I have just gotten an AT&T Tilt and I have spent hours on top of hours reading in the forums here and I have to say that a lot of it is very complicated for someone like me who doesn't understand ROMs and Flashing and things like that.
I have read a lot of the post and to be honest I have had several questions that I could not find anwsers too after searching and have been terrified to post my question because of the negitivity and hostility that I have read.
The problem that I am having is that I am not understanding a lot of what is being written and am not sure what I should put on my phone or how to do it correctly.I am not stupid,ignorant,nor have I not taken the time to read and search things on this forum.
I am college educated and fairly intelligent but I am not tech savy or computer savy for that matter and I don't understand a lot of what is being said.I will admit that my phone is smarter than I am but I would like to learn how to use it more effecentally and get the most out of my phone and what it can do for me.
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I hope you senior/educated members take to heart comments like this and realize that although this isn't rocket science there are still many educated individuals that don't know where to start. Even after a user RTFM (which this user apparently did some), there is obviously a gap to get them to the next level.
We have to accept that this has become a place for the PPC masses and we can either ignore the pleas for help or do something to assist in the long term.
On the flip-side to you noobs... don't get over your head. You don't buy a junker or a tuner if you're not a mechanic, and you don't try to paint the Mona Lisa if you're just a dilletante. If you are in a position where you can't understand things even after hours of research you may want to get your feet wet in something else (like a basic computer class), or you can always buy from Apple . This stuff isn't for everyone, and unfortunately nothing we do will make it so.
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I'm not sure what the point of stating this is?
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First off I began writing the previously posted comment prior to your well spoken post above.
The ownership I spoke of was reference to the few senior members that feel a need to reply to every single post by redundantly pointing out the redundancy of others.
My suggestion was to avoid the attempt of "pre-answering" all possible questions. It can't be done.
Nor is it reasonable to expect all knowledge to exist on the same level. Take the analogy of communities that you spoke of (which I agreed with up until you equated elemental levels of knowledge with pooping on one's lawn).
Within all successful communities you have an acknowledged and agreed upon division of areas of education.
In other words 1st graders don't sit in the same classroom as upperclassmates...
...nor do upperclassmates refuse to graduate.
I think the idea of a noob forum sounds good, and I believe it would help separate many of the redundant posts in the general forum.......but at the same time, if those posts are separated so as not to bother the more experienced people from having to sort through them, then who is going to help them? Would we have noobs answering other noobs? I'm afraid we would end up with the blind leading the blind.
By that same token, if the experienced users decided to venture into the noob forum to help them....then separating the posts for the sake of not having to wade through them seems somewhat counter-productive.
Don't take any of this as a negative. I think putting together a collection of noob resources is a good idea, and creating a noob forum may be as well......I'm just trying to weigh the benefits with the potential problems it could cause.
I am probley the top flamer (IMO) and sometimes I flame and sometimes not. Mostly I flame people who you can honestly see from the question that they didn't look for anything. If I can find the answer in 5 minutes and you claim to have spent days, then I know you didn't search. As to the person that has read and still doesn't understand, please post. Most of the time those people come out and explain things in their question so that you can tell they actually have an understanding.
Asking a specific question about a step or a method in an educated manor is far better then say, I Are noob, what software should I install, oh and can someone literally hold my hand while I flash this rom on my phone.
If you're willing to educate yourself then it shows.
I know that I was nervous and a little scared before I flashed for the first time. I was on edge the whole time, but I knew I read over the instructions over and over.. I have read them again and again and I just don't see where the mistakes happen.
I will provide support if you need it, but you don't need it if the answer is right there, 3 posts down or if it's a well known thing.
Oh I wonder if you could keep that forum from registering in the search function.
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First off I began writing the previously posted comment prior to your well spoken post above.
The ownership I spoke of was reference to the few senior members that feel a need to reply to every single post by redundantly pointing out the redundancy of others.
My suggestion was to avoid the attempt of "pre-answering" all possible questions. It can't be done.
Nor is it reasonable to expect all knowledge to exist on the same level. Take the analogy of communities that you spoke of (which I agreed with up until you equated elemental levels of knowledge with pooping on one's lawn).
Within all successful communities you have an acknowledged and agreed upon division of areas of education.
In other words 1st graders don't sit in the same classroom as upperclassmates...
...nor do upperclassmates refuse to graduate.
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Agreed. Although I stand by my "pooping" comment . The fact is that all of those levels of knowledge may be perfectly acceptable in some communities, but totally unacceptable in others (ok ok, granted not too many poop on their lawns...but not that far off.).
I think you are right that we can't answer all questions, but we can try. I think if we can teach the fundamentals, and then a lower classman learns those he should be able to synthesize most of the remaining elements.
For what they can't extract from their learnings, they can ask a question on. After all, most of the info passed around here isn't new, it is synthesized and rehashed in different forms applicable to a particular issue.
I don't think we can get rid of the basic posts, the "I am a noob posts", the didn't search for this first post. But I do think putting them in another question would help.
I know it has been suggested before, and I don't know if it is possible (I have been on other forums that can do this....) But it would be great if we could limit posting to the noob forum for the first 2 weeks of someone's membership.
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I think the idea of a noob forum sounds good, and I believe it would help separate many of the redundant posts in the general forum.......but at the same time, if those posts are separated so as not to bother the more experienced people from having to sort through them, then who is going to help them? ....
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I am probley the top flamer (IMO) and sometimes I flame and sometimes not. Mostly I flame people who you can honestly see from the question that they didn't look for anything. ....
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I think you are far from the worst Chumley...but as a genuine question:
Why do you feel the need to flame? Why not just ignore the post?
I am not stating this rhetorically to be preachy. I am asking to figure out how we can eliminate it.
Personally I sometimes want to flame back a flamer just for contributing something just as worthless as the original post, but I refrain.
I mean, if someone came into the ROM Development forum and posted "I am a NOOB, how can I please to update my phone!!!" I would expect and even welcome the flames there. If we have to terrify the users to know their place then that's ok...the second part of that though is we NEED TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO PUT THEM IN! That's why I think a noob forum might help.
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But isn't that really the point that's being refused to be acknowledged?
This is the noob forum. Senior members who have already acquired the "upper" levels of knowledge are begrudgingly noticing that not every day is a day of discovery like before and are being faced with the choice of becoming teachers or finding other sources of higher knowledge.
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But isn't that really the point that's being refused to be acknowledged?
This is the noob forum. Senior members who have already acquired the "upper" levels of knowledge are begrudgingly noticing that not every day is a day of discovery like before and are being faced with the choice of becoming teachers or finding other sources of higher knowledge.
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I'm not sure of your statement of "This is the noob forum"
Are you suggesting that either the "General" forum or XDA-developers in general is now for noobz?
I would whole-heartedly disagree with the latter. As for the former, General is not meant for noobz, it is meant for anything that doesn't fit in the other 3 forums (e.g, not about ROM development, not about an accessory, not about a specific piece of software).
I don't want to keep stressing the name of the site is "XDA-Developers." Just because it may be bombarded by power users or noobz, shouldn't diminish the function of the site. If the attitude starts to become "This is where noobz should be" then I think you are going to see some real problems. The least of which is that if you piss off the seniors, they WILL go somewhere else and this site will become meaningless.
well I suppose it comes from many things. As a child I was bullied and now I find myself in a situation of assumed power. Or, I feel that because spent the time to educate myself, through all the grulling threads, I have the right to do it. And like a drill Sergent , I will not be nice about teaching you to fish.
Man I gotta work on my rep.
Hello Admins / Mods,
I opend this thread to see if we can get an update on the situation that has been going on for the past 24 hours with regard to the sharing issue. Many of the chefs have decided to discontinue their ROM development work due to this.
Myself along with a lot of other HD users (I hope) are very eager to know when things would get back to normal. I kept visiting this section frequently to see if there is any new information on this situation, but unfortunately there isn't any.
So, please let us know if ROM development for Blackstone is going to continue or did the cooks really leave XDA. If they did leave as they have mentioned, it a huge loss to this community and I think the Admins and the Mods must do what ever it takes to convinience them to share their work within XDA.
Due to the action of a few individuals... this great community should not suffer.
Please let us know the status.
Davideuck / kwbr / Laurentius26 / HelloNasty / pzucchel / robertus3d / texture / panosha / pzucchel / duttythroy (sorry if I missed someone) - You are all a GREAT asset to this community and we love your work and you are the reason we love our devices even more.
Please resolve your differences and I hope things get back to being normal and exiting.
i am a 100% with you!
Firstly, I am sympathetic with the rest of the staff, but I will not stop, I like to do
Roms, investigate, but never stop!
Because I like!! Never received any donation in blackstone! But life continues ... Spend large hours a day!!!
Thanks to everyone who like my job!
Im a mod on a car site based in the UK. We had a situation where a member was ripping off other members via our 'for sale' section. We investigated and kept our member informed. It doesnt take much and im disappointed it hasn't happened here.
Frankly if this site doesn't respond very soon, in a satisfactory way (I.E not in an aggressive or arrogant way), then its not the sort of place i want to be. It will certainly reflect badly on the WM community, it may make me regret my decision to move over from Symbian. Indeed the quality of the community often guides my choices in automotive and AV.
Im not saying the cookers owe us anything (im happy with my ROM) and i support them if they have been wronged, but after investing money in my Blackstone id like to know my options.
I'm one of "Autocensored" cookers and only thing I can say is:
Yesterday someone paid a user to avoid sharing of new topaz rom... for this me, DavideUck, Infido and others had protested stopping our development until the sharing priority will be guarantee...
EDIT: I forgot to say that Mods are hepling us to much to understand what's happened and really soon the truth will overcome
Greets
francesco
carburano said:
I'm one of "Autocensored" cookers and only thing I can say is:
Yesterday someone paid a user to avoid sharing of new topaz rom... for this me, DavideUck, Infido and others had protested stopping our development until the sharing priority will be guarantee...
EDIT: I forgot to say that Mods are hepling us to much to understand what's happened and really soon the truth will overcome
Greets
francesco
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Welcome to xda-developers.com
This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a firm called HTC in Taiwan. Their makers named them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. The mobile provider O2 sells them under the brand-name 'XDA', and that's what we had in our hands first. They're also known as Qtek, MDA, SX-56, Hermes and many, many other names.
Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum.
We hope that you will enjoy this site and find it as useful as we do. We encourage you to donate or otherwise support this site. Of course absolutely all proceeds from donations will benefit this community.
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I'm sure it will get back to normal pretty soon.....
Personally I am very greatly to all cooks and mods for there hard work and I always donate to the cook of which ROM I choose.
It will be a sad day to lose any cooks due to these unfortunate circumstances.
I look forward to everything going back to normal, and hopefully people will learn that this site is for the cummnity!!!
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Hello Admins / Mods,
I opend this thread to see if we can get an update on the situation that has been going on for the past 24 hours with regard to the sharing issue. Many of the chefs have decided to discontinue their ROM development work due to this.
Myself along with a lot of other HD users (I hope) are very eager to know when things would get back to normal. I kept visiting this section frequently to see if there is any new information on this situation, but unfortunately there isn't any.
So, please let us know if ROM development for Blackstone is going to continue or did the cooks really leave XDA. If they did leave as they have mentioned, it a huge loss to this community and I think the Admins and the Mods must do what ever it takes to convinience them to share their work within XDA.
Due to the action of a few individuals... this great community should not suffer.
Please let us know the status.
Davideuck / kwbr / Laurentius26 / HelloNasty / pzucchel / robertus3d / texture / panosha / duttythroy (sorry if I missed someone) - You are all a GREAT asset to this community and we love your work and you are the reason we love our devices even more.
Please resolve your differences and I hope things get back to being normal and exiting.
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Agree.
Lets wait for some feedback.
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Agree.
Lets wait for some feedback.
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yes i hobe it will come
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yes i hobe it will come
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Lets hope so.
But from the look of other threads like this one this one will soon close.
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Lets hope so.
But from the look of other threads like this one this one will soon close.
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LOL... Close is the more easy!!!!
hellonasty said:
Firstly, I am sympathetic with the rest of the staff, but I will not stop, I like to do
Roms, investigate, but never stop!
Because I like!! Never received any donation in blackstone! But life continues ... Spend large hours a day!!!
Thanks to everyone who like my job!
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When I read this message:
Bevestigingsnummer: 5D325579TR1962439, donated a few minutes ago .
The customized ROM from you is really great! Life goes on, let's go for the community.
I hope that the solution will coming soon...
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When I read this message:
Bevestigingsnummer: 5D325579TR1962439, donated a few minutes ago .
The customized ROM from you is really great! Life goes on, let's go for the community.
I hope that the solution will coming soon...
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You have understand all my friend!
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When I read this message:
Bevestigingsnummer: 5D325579TR1962439, donated a few minutes ago .
The customized ROM from you is really great! Life goes on, let's go for the community.
I hope that the solution will coming soon...
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Thanks!!!!
I put you in my Big list!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482341
This clearly is a most unfortunate situation and I can understand how many of the cooks, mods and members alike are becoming upset. This said, can I appeal to those same people not to bring this bad feeling into the rom threads themselves. Despite the mods repeatedly saying they will sort out the situation as quickly as possible, certain people continue to bombard the threads with aggressive accusations which cannot serve any purpose. I myself was accused of taking back handers last night because I tried to get the thread back on topic! I mean really! I wouldn't mind but I've not seen a penny
The rom threads should be for help and bug reports and that alone! Threads such as this one are the perfect opportunity to raise other issues.
The saddest thing about this is some of the cooks who are upset are inadvertently doing what they are accusing others of in not sharing, by discontinuing their work here.
In the year I've been a member here, I've downloaded and enjoyed numerous roms from many of the cooks here and I've enjoyed being part of a great community. It breaks my heart to see that same community crumbling before my eyes
C'mon guys, can we not try to work through this like the adults we are and get back to being the best god damn HTC forum on the planet?
Rich
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The rom threads should be for help and bug reports and that alone! Threads such as this one are the perfect opportunity to raise other issues.
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Exactly
ClownShoes said:
The saddest thing about this is some of the cooks who are upset are inadvertently doing what they are accusing others of in not sharing, by discontinuing their work here.
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Hmmm Even more exact
ClownShoes said:
C'mon guys, can we not try to work through this like the adults we are and get back to being the best god damn HTC forum on the planet?
Rich
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Exactly
Who has the right to demand on this community? This scenario seems so imature and childish.
Chiefs leave/move on, new ones will start thats how it goes, lets not let them hold XDA to ransom.
Surely we don't need martyrs on XDA?
Well here's something to make you all smile
The same member who last night accused me of being somehow involved in making money
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Mind your business, or maybe you're business involved?
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Has now got it into his head that I am Duttythroy because I was helping people in the thread
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what's your game?
I think that you aren't who seem be!
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This is brilliant... Am I right in thinking you're accusing me of being Duttythroy?
Er no! What on earth would I gain from pretending to be another member?
Ha ha ha, you've made my day though
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lucarp78 said:
You said, not me.
This is sufficient for doubt, together at all your posts from when you register in xda.
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All joking aside, this is what I was talking about though. People are getting carried away now and it's starting to get in the way of people genuinely seeking help. Can I perhaps suggest to a politely worded PM sent out to all members, asking for a little patience and consideration at this time?
Rich
Can someone explain what is all this sharing issue all about?
I read many threads, but didn't understand the root of this matter.
Amir.
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Can someone explain what is all this sharing issue all about?
I read many threads, but didn't understand the root of this matter.
Amir.
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Ok, here is the story...
Dutty's V1.8 ROM was from the new HTC ROM from (Dimond2 or Touch Pro2). Other chefs were hoping that he would dump that ROM. But, Dutty said that he was not going to share this new HTC ROM (Topaz) since he promised his source that he would not.
After couple of days, a few chefs were suppose to come out with their next ROM versions with this Topaz ROM build. But then, suddenly, who ever was suppose to sare this ROM with these chefs, told them in PM that some one Paid him money not to share this new Topaz with the XDA chefs. So he decided not to.
Now the chefs who were waiting for this ROM dump, got really pissed and decided not to share their own work within XDA until the admins and the Mods of XDA make it clear that sharing made the core principle within the XDA community.
Facts:
- Dutty was the one only one who had this new HTC ROM and he decided not to share it with anyone else for his own reasons as he explained in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=484867
- Someone "claims" got paid by someone else not to sare the new ROM with the chefs within XDA as per this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3373252&postcount=1842
- Most of the Blackstone chefs decided to Discontinue their curren work and/or leave the XDA community until stuff is shared by everyone here for the benifit of the community.
Peace OUT!
After reading this, another possibility is that Dutty too was payed not to share...
And maybe he is not the one who paid?
I have experienced growing tensions in this part of the forum for a while. People flaming each other here and there because of things that is best left ignored or easily solved. I'm not perfect but here's my way of thinking and I think this forum would thrive if all flamers would stick to it.
Be positive. Have a gentle mindset when it comes to reporting bugs/issues you might have. If someone tells you to search, try yourself, ask them for a search term or just explain what you searched for and how you could not find it. It someone asks you something, don't go hating on the person for asking a dumb question, you have the choice to either ignore or help. Flaming should not be an option. DO NOT FLAME AND USE DOWNGRADING WORDS, PLEASE.
Today, someone expressed their feelings about itje's Touch IT 9.0 ROM and this has led to Touch IT being a closed ROM only availible to those who is friends with itje or those who he chooses to take part of his release group. This could have easily been avoided if certain words hade not been put into use. Please, think for a second before posting you negative answers. It has effects on other cooks and forum members.
Thanks
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I am very new to this forum. This is only my second post. But i have been here for 1 month now and i agree with you.
I have been on many forums that has users who uses negative answers and forgive me if i sound little harsh to itje and all others who coock ROM's. But this is the internet. There will always be someone who don't like what you or me are doing.
Sure i would also be sad if too many say they don't like what i am doing but this would aspire me to do better.
If i could coock ROM's like you in this forum could then i would do so even if someone doesn't like it.
Sorry if someone doesn't like what i'm saying but i have been on many forums where people have left because someone doesn't like what they are doing.
And i don't understand that. I'm sorry but i don't.
That's all for me. Hope itje will release his ROM's to the public again becuase i like his work.
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Be positive. Have a gentle mindset when it comes to reporting bugs/issues you might have. If someone tells you to search, try yourself, ask them for a search term or just explain what you searched for and how you could not find it. It someone asks you something, don't go hating on the person for asking a dumb question, you have the choice to either ignore or help. Flaming should not me an option. DO NOT FLAME AND USE DOWNGRADING WORDS, PLEASE.
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funny that! i have been saying this all along! look at my post in the old thread 'everyone is a cooking master these days'. now there is a thread that should never have been started but which highlighted they way things have gone on here! some people who have been on here longer than others for some reason class themselves as above others and feel they have the right to make assumptions about people by their posts!. some might have seen my post in the touch-it 9 thread re the sms issue that was plaguing latest rhodium manila. if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE has the right to disrespect anyone's opinion or choice to do what they want on here within the regs. i will not stand any **** from anyone who thinks they have the right to chat to me like they know me! i try roms in fact i try all the roms posted on here just to see how they work! i hooked up wid WC because he respects me and vice versa. this place is about sharing and helping others and unfortunately we must have been like that once - a noob! remember your 1st flash and somethign went wrong! how panicky you felt and ya just posted without searching as ya may have felt ya broke ya phone etc. we all do it and thats what make us human! i respect everyone and i have no bad vibes wid anyone........... WC I love ya man. took me on face value and showed me love!
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funny that! i have been saying this all along! look at my post in the old thread 'everyone is a cooking master these days'. now there is a thread that should never have been started but which highlighted they way things have gone on here! some people who have been on here longer than others for some reason class themselves as above others and feel they have the right to make assumptions about people by their posts!. some might have seen my post in the touch-it 9 thread re the sms issue that was plaguing latest rhodium manila. if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE has the right to disrespect anyone's opinion or choice to do what they want on here within the regs. i will not stand any **** from anyone who thinks they have the right to chat to me like they know me! i try roms in fact i try all the roms posted on here just to see how they work! i hooked up wid WC because he respects me and vice versa. this place is about sharing and helping others and unfortunately we must have been like that once - a noob! remember your 1st flash and somethign went wrong! how panicky you felt and ya just posted without searching as ya may have felt ya broke ya phone etc. we all do it and thats what make us human! i respect everyone and i have no bad vibes wid anyone........... WC I love ya man. took me on face value and showed me love!
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You have the right as much as anyone to get angry, but this is not what this thread is about. I am, through this thread, asking everyone to reconsider the things they have written before they post it so that we can avoid leaving cookers, hurt feelings and sold devices. Simply a request.
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You have the right as much as anyone to get angry, but this is not what this thread is about. I am, through this thread, asking everyone to reconsider the things they have written before they post it so that we can avoid leaving cookers, hurt feelings and sold devices. Simply a request.
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misunderstood mate as always! i totally agree wid what you said and was listing an example of how i have experienced what ya chat about! never angry mate as words dont bother! just dont like assumptions being made about me by what i have posted! rememba i am cool, live cool and dont stress anything!
so you are suggesting that 'cooks' have sold devices because of what people post without thinking? come on man i assume we are all mature on here and have some form of tolerance level for the things we expect to get on here be it negative or positive! in life we have take the good and bad in everything and everyone! you need to know what to ignore and what ya take on board! it is all about choice mate everything in life is about that!
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misunderstood mate as always! i totally agree wid what you said and was listing an example of how i have experienced what ya chat about! never angry mate as words dont bother! just dont like assumptions being made about me by what i have posted! rememba i am cool, live cool and dont stress anything!
so you are suggesting that 'cooks' have sold devices because of what people post without thinking? come on man i assume we are all mature on here and have some form of tolerance level for the things we expect to get on here be it negative or positive! in life we have take the good and bad in everything and everyone! you need to know what to ignore and what ya take on board! it is all about choice mate everything in life is about that!
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Exactly - choice. Many people choose to flame when the mature thing is to just help or ignore, or simply search or ask again nicely. I'm sorry I missunderstood you post as angry.
To further answer, what I suggest is that fards sold his X1 for a Touch HD, if it was because he was tired of the mood in this part of the forum or not I do not know. itje has chosen to not make his ROMs public and as a result of this I read that one person was planning on selling their X1. It all has a domino effect. If it is right of these persons to react like they do is debatable, but they are entitled to their own reaction. The thing is that I don't think that people are aware of the consequences of being rude.
That is why I started this thread - so that people can avoid to piss each other off and so that we can have a helpful and productive forum.
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Exactly - choice. Many people choose to flame when the mature thing is to just help or ignore, or simply search or ask again nicely. I'm sorry I missunderstood you post as angry.
To further answer, what I suggest is that fards sold his X1 for a Touch HD, if it was because he was tired of the mood in this part of the forum or not I do not know. itje has chosen to not make his ROMs public and as a result of this I read that one person was planning on selling their X1. It all has a domino effect. If it is right of these persons to react like they do is debatable, but they are entitled to their own reaction. The thing is that I don't think that people are aware of the consequences of being rude.
That is why I started this thread - so that people can avoid to piss each other off and so that we can have a helpful and productive forum.
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do you think that requesting donations has some part to play with the way people post? i think that no money is free and certain people donate and expect something in return! if they don't get that then they seem to get angry and it reflects in post! i am not saying that only people who donate do that in any way. i honestly think that donations should only go to the people who started this whole xda thing and keep it running! also the people who release the kitchens as they make rom building possible! i just feel that when you take from people even if its donated there is a certain amount of pressure and expectancy that comes with that! when it is not delivered the reaction can be severe thus the recent backlash in certain threads! only my opinion!
@ your response to my question - people change their phones all the time as i get bored wid phones so quickly thats why i got so many! 2 weeks max and i need something else to play with! so if i get em all then i can use a diff one everyday! i am sure the people who suggested that they may sell their phones or who already have done are mature enough to recognize that it was not this forum or anything said in it that caused that to happen! any way i'm out! said ma peice and thats that!
shingers5;3867296if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! [/QUOTE said:
YET AGAIN YOU COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE!
do we need to go over that all over again?
ah f*ck it I give up!
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What about to set some report thing that would make like a % warn except it would say % flamer and than people would wach their reputation?
Also you could click report flame/spam post and if enough people would think it is spam it would tag the user and make that post fade.... (like on thottbot http://thottbot.com/i13262 you can see the good comments are yelow and comments with rating lower than 5 arent even shown (but you can change the treshold)
Maybe a filter "do not show post from users marked flamers more than 30 times"
This is a developers forum; I'm sure there is some folks who can write a thing or two to make the forums better
Just throwing ideas here, because I belive people can't change based on one post (specialy the flamers and spammers don't), so why not a more direct approach...
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YET AGAIN YOU COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE!
do we need to go over that all over again?
ah f*ck it I give up!
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stop being so damn melodramatic and no need to swear. bottom line is ya had no right to say it and instead of being a mature and apologize ya try to make it look like i am dragging it out! i find this hilarious all this!
Time and time again the same problems occur,
I've been on this forum for years.
and to be honest it is getting boring (this is meant in general and not aimed at anyone)
how much skill has this forum lost because of this *****iness.
im sorry, this has got to stop,
I Love the roms and support the likes of (but not limited to) ITJE and fards contribute to the forum, and respect the work that they do, as such i would never flame them, everyone should have this level f respect and in return the cooks and specialist should return the favor
this is why i have suggested in the past that cooks have read only release threads, this way, found faults, fixes updates etc can be kept together. a seperate thread can then be made to discuss faults.
I dunno just rambling now and adding no value, please ignore me
rosebud said:
Time and time again the same problems occur,
I've been on this forum for years.
and to be honest it is getting boring (this is meant in general and not aimed at anyone)
how much skill has this forum lost because of this *****iness.
im sorry, this has got to stop,
I Love the roms and support the likes of (but not limited to) ITJE and fards contribute to the forum, and respect the work that they do, as such i would never flame them, everyone should have this level f respect and in return the cooks and specialist should return the favor
this is why i have suggested in the past that cooks have read only release threads, this way, found faults, fixes updates etc can be kept together. a seperate thread can then be made to discuss faults.
I dunno just rambling now and adding no value, please ignore me
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I think that made perfectly good sense man Thanks for understanding what I meant with this thread.
I dont know, but flaming goes both ways in this forum or any other forum as a matter of fact.
a. A newbie comes in and asks a question, some chefs flip out and be like read the bloody first page or other works I did in a not so mild manner. True I believe that they should have read the instructions on the first page in highlighted color, but no need to come off as an asshat towards anyone.
b. a newbie flashes their rom to one of the customs, I believe that the guy who flashed their rom have no right to be like this is **** i lost some of my features. That is a serious slap in the face for the chef who put in their hard work to create this rom. Remember chefs are doing this for us for free, we are not obligated to flash ... we flash by our own accord and have to agree to some sort of disclaimer about device performance when flashed. So if you flash, and have some issues, take a look at the first page for their bugs, if not do an in thread search for the exact same problem that you are having, chances are you would find the solution.
c. This one is a classic ... someone asks a question, quickly some guys reply, do a damn search, stating comments that people are idiots or something to the sort ... basically flaming the question poster hard making it seems that the question poster wasted this amount of time or bandwidth on their part. I swear some flamers are extremely melodramatic, waiting for every chance to get off on someone and secretly high five someone in their society.
bottom line is guys, chill out take it easy. this here isnt a life or death situation, you wont die if you do a quick search on something, nor you wont die if you just help someone in a polite manner or maybe just ignore them.
ahhhhhh, the irony
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This is a developers forum
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that's the problem. Imho this isn't anymore a developer forum. In the last 2 year as winmobile widely spreads up (because of carriers, mode, prettier devices and so on) this has become a 50% dev and 50% leech forum. 20% of leech are going to become future devs and want to "learn", the last 30% are only noobs who wants "free lunch" and pretend to be 100% assisted to make their device cooler. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist
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that's the problem. Imho this isn't anymore a developer forum. In the last 2 year as winmobile widely spreads up (because of carriers, mode, prettier devices and so on) this has become a 50% dev and 50% leech forum. 20% of leech are going to become future devs and want to "learn", the last 30% are only noobs who wants "free lunch" and pretend to be 100% assisted to make their device cooler. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist
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well said..or written
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I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
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Itje, I agreed. And this one is the quote of the today.
guap said:
. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist
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so because someone writes this does it give anyone the right to disrespect them and talk down to them! what right has anyone on here got to talk down to anyone because of what they wrote! no one has the right end off! can you imagine your reaction if someone spoke to you in a similar fashion because of a stupid post! so called devs need to understand that because of the quality of work they produce they have amassed a following. that in its pure sense is a compliment to their work! learning to embrace whats pure and shun whats not is they key! in life there is good and bad in everything and people never remember you for the good you do in life. they only ever remember that one time ya slipped up, fuked up or didnt live up to expected standards! thats human nature and we all have done it at one time or another in our lives! ignoring the stupid posts, pm etc is the key! block dem of your messenger etc.