Just saw on Engadget how Samsung accomplished the goal that Google failed at: Getting its Galaxy phone line on all 4 carriers
Why again didnt Google just play nice and be flexible to the carriers demands?
Why not allow Verizon and Sprint to have a little control over their versions of the N1 in order to ensure the N1 becomes a national success?
If Samsung can accomplish this, why couldnt Google?
Seems like such a waste of a perfect opportunity
Verizon ropes in Samsung Fascinate, US Cellular gets a Galaxy S too -- Engadget
Because the entire point of the Nexus One was to prove that customers wanted a phone that was not bound by "carrier demands" thats why all the Droids have the pay for tethering, while the Nexus One supports it freely.
Why not just be flexible?
Let the T-Mobile and Att versions be completely free of carrier control and be flexible with the Verizon/Sprint versions. I'd much rather have a non-tethering N1 on Sprint and Verizon as options than nothing at all...
If Samsung could do it, why not Google?
Because each version of the Galaxy is a totally different version, because this carrier didnt like this option on the phone, they took it out and renamed the phone. There are 4 versions of this phone each one less of a total package then the one before it. The Nexus One didn't want to be "flexible" it wanted to be allowed at the party as it designed to be. Plus the Nexus One was originally planned to be on Sprint and Version, it was the carriers who then dropped support for it. Also i was just throwing tehtering out there as an example there are many other things that the Nexus One can do that other phones have had stripped because of carrier control.
Those phones are gonna be hindered by carrier approval for updates.
The main thing that will be gimped is the native tethering option of android.
Samsung is in the game for $$$ with a guaranteed business plan.
Google was attempting to change the typical business plan. It was always an gamble.
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Because each version of the Galaxy is a totally different version, because this carrier didnt like this option on the phone, they took it out and renamed the phone. There are 4 versions of this phone each one less of a total package then the one before it. The Nexus One didn't want to be "flexible" it wanted to be allowed at the party as it designed to be. Plus the Nexus One was originally planned to be on Sprint and Version, it was the carriers who then dropped support for it. Also i was just throwing tehtering out there as an example there are many other things that the Nexus One can do that other phones have had stripped because of carrier control.
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Verizon publicly came out and said they wanted the nexus but it was Google that did not come thru for unknown reasons. Who are we to believe, I agree I don't trust any of them. But its definitely weird that Verizon went on record saying that. Why would they lie? And the next question is if that was the truth, why would Google have backed out?
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Verizon publicly came out and said they wanted the nexus but it was Google that did not come thru for unknown reasons. Who are we to believe, I agree I don't trust any of them. But its definitely weird that Verizon went on record saying that. Why would they lie? And the next question is if that was the truth, why would Google have backed out?
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Thats true, no one really knows who was at fault. Google isnt know for their Dev phones coming to CDMA. Its also possible that Google turned it down when the CDMA carriers refused to offer the Nexus One full freedom.
ap3604 said:
Just saw on Engadget how Samsung accomplished the goal that Google failed at: Getting its Galaxy phone line on all 4 carriers
Why again didnt Google just play nice and be flexible to the carriers demands?
Why not allow Verizon and Sprint to have a little control over their versions of the N1 in order to ensure the N1 becomes a national success?
If Samsung can accomplish this, why couldnt Google?
Seems like such a waste of a perfect opportunity
Samsung is not the first! The touch pro 2s for example existed on all 4 networks!
Verizon ropes in Samsung Fascinate, US Cellular gets a Galaxy S too -- Engadget
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Most of the normal customers will have no idea the phones are related directly. They are all a little different and have different names. Each carrier has say with software unlike the n1. That means no tethering etc. I dont see why US carries like to cripple phones and brand them... I get that they want their own image or to not look like just a network provider but customized phones blow... My htc pure has no front facing cam and all the td2s tp2s needed different skins/cases and that also means more expensive repairs and ****. Carriers around the world just stamp their logo and inject some crapware (sometimes) and leave everything else the same!
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Those phones are gonna be hindered by carrier approval for updates.
The main thing that will be gimped is the native tethering option of android.
Samsung is in the game for $$$ with a guaranteed business plan.
Google was attempting to change the typical business plan. It was always an gamble.
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Maybe someone will figure how to make a vanilla android rom for it.
I think the problem with the N1 is that the only carrier that subsidized it is T-Mobile. The two largest carriers are At&t and Verizon. Verizon doesn't carry it. For At&t, how many ppl are gonna shell out $529 for a phone, when you can get an iphone for like $199. All of us in this forum would, but for others it's too big of a difference.
well especially these days with this economy, $530 is a lot to swallow.
When did "US Cellular" become one of "the 4" carriers??? They're #7 according to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Americas#United_States
Verizon got the HTC Desire
Sprint got the HTC EVO
If they got those phones, why would they want the N1 for? Those HTC phones are, in the carrier's eyes, better than the N1 and they aren't restricted to the plans that Google made T-Mobile customers switch over to in order to get the N1 for a lower price.
If those two phones came to Tmobile, I wouldn't have a N1 to be honest.
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well especially these days with this economy, $530 is a lot to swallow.
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Quite ironically that's only true in western developed countries. And the major reason is that people are just too dependent on the whole contract and credit system. In India, we always pay for unlocked phone. There are no contracts. Therefore if we buy a smartphone we know what we are buying and how much that is worth. And in return we get cheap phone service (2 cents per minute). US carriers will give you "free" cheap phone and then charge you $45 for 450 minutes. That is $36 extra per month or $864 extra for the two year contract period.
$530 for a phone seems to be a reasonable price for us... even if we are still a developing country.
This is just the announcement right? In mid March 2010, Sprint and Verizon announced they were getting the N1, until they changed their mind. Like you guys said earlier something about the "Evo" and the "Moto shadow". Shadow is pretty sweet, 4.3 inch display plus QWERTY!
Wikipedia that **** "nexus one"
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Quite ironically that's only true in western developed countries. And the major reason is that people are just too dependent on the whole contract and credit system. In India, we always pay for unlocked phone. Their are no contracts. Therefore if we buy a smartphone we know what we are buying and how much that is worth. And in return we get cheap phone service (2 cents per minute). US carriers will give you "free" cheap phone and then charge you $45 for 450 minutes. That is $36 extra per month or $864 extra for the two year contract period.
$530 for a phone seems to be a reasonable price for us... even if we are still a developing country.
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Excellent point. I much prefer that system to ours.
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well especially these days with this economy, $530 is a lot to swallow.
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$530 is too much? ok buy a g1 for 279. or a flip phone for 35 at a pawn shop. remember, this is something you OWN, not something that you lease with heavily financed contracts and etc s to mess with.
a potato chip is rediculously expensive if you compare it to the price of potatoes. cmon, find a logical argument folks or would you rather a company NOT profit, fail and leave you with no. support?
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$530 is too much? ok buy a g1 for 279. or a flip phone for 35 at a pawn shop. remember, this is something you OWN, not something that you lease with heavily financed contracts and etc s to mess with.
a potato chip is rediculously expensive if you compare it to the price of potatoes. cmon, find a logical argument folks or would you rather a company NOT profit, fail and leave you with no. support?
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I think you missed his point a bit.
Google was attempting to do a few things with the N1. First, they wanted to offer a completely raw phone, free of all carrier branding and bloatware and crippling. To do so meant selling it themselves, or in stores like Best Buy or whatever. This would push the second item: showing those in the states how a lot of other countries operate, buying unlocked phones without a carrier subsidy and contract. I love this idea. Both ideas.
However, the timing was rather unfortunate. $530 in this economy is rough for a lot of people. Doesn't mean the idea is horrible, doesn't mean anyone is blaming Google. It simply means that there are a lot of people that won't buy the N1 (or any brand new completely unlocked phone) right now because of the economy. I personally have several friends that love my N1. They wish they could buy one but are either unemployed or under-employed (took jobs making much less than they're used to, simply to get a check coming in).
I love Google's approach on this. I think it's great that they (supposedly) told Verizon and Sprint go suck an egg, and that the N1 was not to be messed with. This is my first truly unlocked, unbranded phone and I don't think I'll ever go back to buying them from the carrier.
Plain and simple most carriers were not thrilled with the idea of a totally unbranded/un-carrier approved handset being activated on their network.
With the GSM variant, there is little that any carrier can do, but CDMA is a different animal and I am really not surprised that VZW/SPRINT said heck no.
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arkavat said:
Quite ironically that's only true in western developed countries. And the major reason is that people are just too dependent on the whole contract and credit system. In India, we always pay for unlocked phone. There are no contracts. Therefore if we buy a smartphone we know what we are buying and how much that is worth. And in return we get cheap phone service (2 cents per minute). US carriers will give you "free" cheap phone and then charge you $45 for 450 minutes. That is $36 extra per month or $864 extra for the two year contract period.
$530 for a phone seems to be a reasonable price for us... even if we are still a developing country.
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Same as in the UK, I have a cheap sim-only with unlimited data and just buy phones unlocked sim-free (no carrier restrictions) from the hundreds of stores (Play, Amazon etc). The money I save over the normal 18 months is enough to buy a Nexus One and have money left over.
But still some people in UK see the 'free phone' and sign up to a stupid long-term contract.
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Hey gang,
If anyone can help I will donate via paypal...anyone have a good sticky or tutorial on unlocking your N1 for any service provider? Do I just need to root it or is there more steps involvled? Thank you for helping a novice N1 user!
::rayman::
odd request
rayman,
The nexus one is already unlocked, but there are two types of N1s.
Here is a link explaining more in detail:
http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=166507
Jason
Thanks buddy a lot! My brother bought his N1 through t-mobile about 3 weeks ago off google.com/phone...and is already wanting to sale it for the iPhone 4G. So I guess its already unlocked he will just have to pay the cancellation fee to t-mobile when he sales it and switches over.
Thanks so much buddy.
I'm guessing that fee will not be insignificant.... And then to throw down $300 on a new phone, AND switch to AT&T in the process?
Ouch.
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I'm guessing that fee will not be insignificant.... And then to throw down $300 on a new phone, AND switch to AT&T in the process?
Ouch.
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Some people just have money to waste and I think Apple targets people like that.
I love my N1. I don't think anyone could, reasonably, pay me enough to use an iphone 4 over my N1.
OP, you should show your brother how to put on Froyo 2.2 or root it and put on something like Cyanogen Mod. Soooo many more possibility than the icrap.
Dont forget that you will also have to pay the T-Mobile ETF and you also have to pay Google an ERF. So you have to Fee's to pay..
That is why iphone is the #1 selling phone out there...their targeted customers?
DUMB IGNORANT LAZY RICH PEOPLE...and a few poor ones that just want to look rich.
Lol we are no way rich...but if sold on ebay for $500.00 like some of the others won't you break even? Didn't know google had an etf...thought it was just t-mobile?
In your opionion since we are discussing what do you think N1 has over iPhone 4G? I have to admit I love the video chat thing on iPhone...only thing AT&T sucks...I think T-mobile probably has better service.
did you buy the phone unsubsidized or off contract? I
If you got it subsidized you have a T-mo ETF and the google ERF (equipment recovery fee). If you are withing the 14 days (which i dont think you are) you can send the phone back to HTC and cancel the T-Mo account with no fees.
If you are past 14 days, be prepared to drop some dough.
Yeah I told him that...hes not gonna switch now lol...I guess you gotta wait 4 months before you can get outta of googles etf...him and I both love the N1 just wish it had more games like iPhone...but theres so many things I like about the N1 that the iPhone doesn't have.
Dont change your contract. Just keep your tmobile account connected and buy an iphone outright when they are released and Jailbrek / unlock it to work with your tmobile sim (altho the simcard itself will need to be converted to Mini sim)
Thats a great idea...hopefully they won't go over $500 in price.
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Thats a great idea...hopefully they won't go over $500 in price.
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iPhones (including the new iPhone 4) are $599 and $699 full retail price (16gb/32gb).
They're $199/$299 on 2 year contract with AT&T.
THIS SUCKS!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/atandt-agrees-to-buy-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/
Welcome to AT&T Wireless...
All I can say is F_*$
I hate AT&T! I used to have both At&t and T-mobile and I left the death star because of their terrible customer service! Now I have to go to Sprint or Verizon..most likely Verizon because of their coverage. However its going to cost me almost Double. Again all I can say is ****!
I just put a 32gb memory card in my HD7, this super sucks.
I was thinking to myself, sh!t! AT&T sucks! I then realized, well the monstrous GSM network would be pretty cool. I just hope they don't mess with the unlimited data plan, or the attractive prices. I use my phone a lot, and unfortunately some of us have to stay on 3G data at all times because we can't all afford home internet for WiFi (where I live it is NOT affordable). I also enjoy my 85 dollar phone bill, a considerable drop from the $120/mo. AT&T or Verizon charge.
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Welcome to AT&T Wireless...
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I believe it's "AT&T Mobility" **** I have a bad feeling about this.
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I believe it's "AT&T Mobility" **** I have a bad feeling about this.
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LOL - Indeed... there goes my rate plan out the window.
I have been here before.
I was with what was the Original At&t Wireless, they sold out to Cingular, and they sold out again and back to the At&t nameplate. So I was on a great plan and had been on a great plan for many years. At&t started turning off services on my plan. Every time I would call they would just say..."well you are on a legacy plan and we don't support that anymore. You need to sign up for a new plan at twice the cost if you want those features."And I am not talking about major stuff, call forwarding, paging, voice mail, etc. I see this coming again for all of us T-Mobile customers that have been with them for sometime. I was an originally a voicestream customer and now I will switch carriers, most likely to Verizon, if I am going to pay that much for service I will go where I get the best coverage. I know the drawbacks of both but I refuse to ever give At&t another penny after the way they treated me the last time I was a customer. It's sad to see a company that takes care of its customers like T-Mobile not be able to keep up in this Monopolistic world. Just another example of what deregulation has brought to the USA. We will be down to three major carriers with this merger and I will bet it will be two soon. So much for competition and lower prices.
Yeah, this is pretty bad. Hopefully when the deal goes through next year they will let me out of my contract without penalty.
they will if they change your plan. t-mobile has a 3000 minute, unlimtied text and data family plan (limited time only) that's $10 cheaper than their 1500 family plan with the same features....mine kicks in 3/29 for 2 years...if it changes, i leave ETF free.
linky http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/...re-for-Families-3000-Talk-Text-Unlimited-Data
What does this ultimately mean for T-Mobile customers?
Will T-Mobile still keep their branding name?
there will still be t-mobile, but only in the u.k., no more t-mobile usa.
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there will still be t-mobile, but only in the u.k., no more t-mobile usa.
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This is correct. It'll just be AT&T. I wonder, given Sprint's situation, if Verizon will pick them up as they are using the same cell technology as each other. It would be a massive duopoly. I'm not sure how that would affect the prices, it might drive prices lower faster given that they'll only mainly be looking at each other in terms of "scopin the comp out".
****ing sucks...
LMAO I still dont see what the big deal is aside from prices going up however
i dont see what the big issue is with At&t
aside from capping data and the 4g debacle.
I had them and they were pretty decent to me
Nothing will happen for a year. ATT primarily wants TMO's AWS spectrum and other assorted IP. THEN they'll assimilate everyone
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LMAO I still dont see what the big deal is aside from prices going up however
i dont see what the big issue is with At&t
aside from capping data and the 4g debacle.
I had them and they were pretty decent to me
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Prices going up: If I bought the same services (but still less than what I'm getting from TMo) from AT&T it would cost me an extra $35 a month (from $119 to $154). That's $420 a year. That is a pretty significant difference.
The closest package I could get with both Verizon and Sprint is $188 a month. That's $828 more a year. With less competition, it's significantly more likely that AT&T will raise their prices to Verizon and Sprint's level as opposed to the other way around.
If this deal falls through, how are we supposed to feel about tmobile?
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when I　hear the news feel sad........so...there isn't any cheap price anymore guys.
My friend works for T-Mobile as an engineer, he said expect T-Mobile to implement all the changes MUCH sooner than we expect. He said his division is already being broken up & relocated. Some are getting their walking papers. The T-Mobile employees aren't too happy about this either. Also confirmed that older phones like the HD2 will not be supported with 3G capabilities on at&t's network. But even though the deal won't be complete for a few months, they will start making most changes sooner, so the transition will move along smoother. Basically us that love T-Mobile & hate at&t are screwed.
I know the Nexus 4 works on ATT obviously. My point is for marketing and sales Google should have the Nexus 4 in ATT stores as well, showing off their new pride and joy. Just being officially on T-Mobile in the U.S. won't spread the Nexus word around enough to the average Joe and Jane.
Looks like the European market will get the bigger marketing push ?
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They would certainly sell more, but AT&T would want a cut. I guess AT&T could do what T-Mobile is doing and selling it subsidized on a plan like any other smartphone, but something tells me AT&T would want to load their crapware on it. AT&T doesn't seem like they give two ****s about the Nexus program. AT&T would never carry the phone in-store, off contract, at Google's prices, even if Google was giving them a small cut of it.
I agree, but not.
IF AT&T got the N4 it would:
A.) be more expensive (like the Tmob variant, yes cheaper on 2 year, but stupid expensive off contract)
B.) Likely contain at least some bloat, Maybe this would be negotiated out, but I somehow doubt it
C.) be carrier locked (like the Tmob variant)
D.) Be the exact same phone with no benefit to us for purchasing it from AT&T except signing a 2 year contract
If Google wants more AT&T users to buy it they just have to advertise it more in the US, letting everyone know it works with AT&T and can be had directly from google, plug in your sim and go. No need to involve AT&T, they will just ruin it.
What is up with the US not getting an official release date?
Also, I can't understand why AT&T wouldn't pick this phone up considering they offer the TL and the Z is clearly Sony's best offering...probably ever? I'm not a dedicated enthusiast that buys phones unlocked; I'm due for an upgrade on AT&T and want a Z. I'm just annoyed it doesn't seem AT&T will be carrying it and I'm just wondering why? There's demand!
I guess I'll have to settle for Samsung's (inevitably plastic) S4 offering.
So you can feel what if feels like to be a non-American for once
Sorry
Haha. Totally.
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Don't worry, Canada is getting shafted too.
Europe has phones (except iphone) USA has consoles, Japan is always lucky
I wanted the Optimus G but it never launched in the UK. I can also remember wanting the Evo, also never came to the UK.
Fact is, the XZ will go to america, but the carriers over there dominate the manufacturers, therefore leading to a delayed launch because they want the handsets highly customised.
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What i heard is that the usa model XZ is getting a snapdragon 600 cpu! Those lucky basterds haha i wish my XZ had that chip. Snapdragon pro is not bad, but snapdragon 600 kicks some serious ass
Yeah I think you guys should blame your carriers rather than Sony.
They should stop putting in so many conditions in front of Sony.
Has anyone heard if/when the Z will be released unlocked at the Sony stores/online here in the US? At MWC they said it was "arriving in 60 countries over 5 continents this week".
You could just buy it unlocked or wait for the ZL. The US is getting both, just not from carriers. You're not getting as much as you think you are
Actually...I think ATT is picking up one, just not sure
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Except almost everything here in Japan is severely region-locked. Docomo XZ (SO-02E) bootloader locked, can't be unlocked, no way to buy an unlocked version, and significantly different hardware that we can't simply flash 660x ROMs. Developer activity also pales in comparison to XDA. Even many consumer electronics (TVs, cameras, audio players, etc) are locked to Japanese-menu only (all other language options disabled).
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Except almost everything here in Japan is severely region-locked. Docomo XZ (SO-02E) bootloader locked, can't be unlocked, no way to buy an unlocked version, and significantly different hardware that we can't simply flash 660x ROMs. Developer activity also pales in comparison to XDA. Even many consumer electronics (TVs, cameras, audio players, etc) are locked to Japanese-menu only (all other language options disabled).
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Okay so always tough luck
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What is up with the US not getting an official release date?
Also, I can't understand why AT&T wouldn't pick this phone up considering they offer the TL and the Z is clearly Sony's best offering...probably ever? I'm not a dedicated enthusiast that buys phones unlocked; I'm due for an upgrade on AT&T and want a Z. I'm just annoyed it doesn't seem AT&T will be carrying it and I'm just wondering why? There's demand!
I guess I'll have to settle for Samsung's (inevitably plastic) S4 offering.
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Plenty of indications the Z is going to be offered unlocked directly from Sony.
As to AT&T availability:
1) That's AT&T's decision, not Sony
2) Why do you insist on bending over and accepting AT&T's shaft? You should realize by now that AT&T always mangles their devices severely, introducing bugs frequently not present in nearly identical international variants (look at Samsing I777 vs. I9100 - every I777 firmware release has been a steaming pile of ****. Many I9100 firmwares from Samsung aren't too hot either, but even the worst I9100 firmware release imaginable blows AT&T's best I777 releases out of the water...), and in addition, they force bootloader locking whenever they can so you HAVE to accept their crippled firmware.
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Has anyone heard if/when the Z will be released unlocked at the Sony stores/online here in the US? At MWC they said it was "arriving in 60 countries over 5 continents this week".
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I keep on hearing rumors to this end... I poked at one of my devrel contacts and they said they couldn't yet comment on availability, but would hopefully have more info post-MWC. (Sony's devrel team has been insanely busy prepping for MWC.)
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Let's say - it's not very likely...
check it out, i can't post links but the sony mobile USA site has the Z coming soon
Sony mobile site has said that for a month and a half.
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Plenty of indications the Z is going to be offered unlocked directly from Sony.
As to AT&T availability:
1) That's AT&T's decision, not Sony
2) Why do you insist on bending over and accepting AT&T's shaft? You should realize by now that AT&T always mangles their devices severely, introducing bugs frequently not present in nearly identical international variants (look at Samsing I777 vs. I9100 - every I777 firmware release has been a steaming pile of ****. Many I9100 firmwares from Samsung aren't too hot either, but even the worst I9100 firmware release imaginable blows AT&T's best I777 releases out of the water...), and in addition, they force bootloader locking whenever they can so you HAVE to accept their crippled firmware.
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$$$
i can't justify buying an unlocked phone when i'll be on a contract anyway. subsidized pricing every two years is worth it, imo.
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$$$
i can't justify buying an unlocked phone when i'll be on a contract anyway. subsidized pricing every two years is worth it, imo.
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or one year like me if your a legacy Cingular main account holder lol
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$$$
i can't justify buying an unlocked phone when i'll be on a contract anyway. subsidized pricing every two years is worth it, imo.
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Again, why do you insist on accepting AT&T's shaft?
Subsidized pricing carries a MINIMUM of $450 (if you get an early upgrade at 18 months) cost penalty over an unsubsidized MVNO such as Straight Talk, to get you only a $300 subsidy. The math just doesn't work out.
Straight Talk: $45/mo for unlimited voice, unlimited texts, 2GB data ("unlimited" but you get nastygrams at 2GB)
AT&T: $70/mo for 450 minutes voice, no texts, 3GB data with massive overage penalties if you go over, plus AT&T loves to put data-eating bugs into their firmwares to ensure you hit that ceiling (see the AP Mobile widget in I777 UCKH7 for example... That sent tons of people into overages. Those that figured out it was a firmware bug were able to get refunds, but how many people just got shafted because they didn't know that AT&T pulled a shady trick like that?)
That's a $25/month cost penalty for inferior service, which adds up to $300/year. Since the minimum upgrade interval is 18 months (not 12) and the maximum subsidy discount is $300 - you're losing money.
Subsidized pricing every 2 years is NOT worth it. It's a scam.
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Again, why do you insist on accepting AT&T's shaft?
Subsidized pricing carries a MINIMUM of $450 (if you get an early upgrade at 18 months) cost penalty over an unsubsidized MVNO such as Straight Talk, to get you only a $300 subsidy. The math just doesn't work out.
Straight Talk: $45/mo for unlimited voice, unlimited texts, 2GB data ("unlimited" but you get nastygrams at 2GB)
AT&T: $70/mo for 450 minutes voice, no texts, 3GB data with massive overage penalties if you go over, plus AT&T loves to put data-eating bugs into their firmwares to ensure you hit that ceiling (see the AP Mobile widget in I777 UCKH7 for example... That sent tons of people into overages. Those that figured out it was a firmware bug were able to get refunds, but how many people just got shafted because they didn't know that AT&T pulled a shady trick like that?)
That's a $25/month cost penalty for inferior service, which adds up to $300/year. Since the minimum upgrade interval is 18 months (not 12) and the maximum subsidy discount is $300 - you're losing money.
Subsidized pricing every 2 years is NOT worth it. It's a scam.
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Basically this! Hopefully, Sony will have the device on their US mobile site for sale, so I can enjoy the ZL with my T-mobile $30 plan
Hi!
First off, I didn't know where this belongs, so I'm sorry in advance if this is the wrong part of the forum.
My wife and I are moving to Santa Monica in August, and one of my biggest struggles right now is figuring out what American carrier to go with (yep, this is MY issue to handle, since I'm the phonegeek in the family). I'll start off with telling you what we're used to here in Sweden, and I hope you can help us pick a carrier and maybe even a plan that will fit our usage after the big move.
We always buy our phones unlocked from electronics stores, ALWAYS. I'm currently using the OnePlus One which should be working fine in the U.S., but I am planning on getting an LG G4 in a few months. Wifey's got an iPhone 5S (European version, guessing she'll have to replace it in order to use 4G/LTE IB the U.S?) I suppose it depends on what carrier we choose, but if signing up for a plan and getting the phone along with it is a better option than cashing it we're of course willing to do so (I have absolutely no idea how this stuff works in America, as you might've understood by now...).
We're currently using Telenor, on a shared family plan. The cost for this is roughly $85 a month. It includes a shared 24GB of data, unlimited calls and unlimited texts. To be honest, this is way beyond what we ever use, so cutting the data amount in half should be no problem at all. We don't text or call that much either, but it's nice to have the ability to do so if needed.
From what I understand, Verizon locks their phones down tight. Locked bootloaders, SIM locked and whatnot. If this really is the case Verizon really isn't a viable option considering the fact that I'm an avid flasher of roms. My wife doesn't really care much about that stuff though, she's all iPhone all the way.
Any advice, thought or opinion is welcome and highly appreciated!
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Tmobile. I hate verizon for the same reasons. But, I've heard people in that part of Cali say it's got good service.
But, if no verizon. Then tmobile
And, yes verizon does that.
Karakoram2 said:
Tmobile. I hate verizon for the same reasons. But, I've heard people in that part of Cali say it's got good service.
But, if no verizon. Then tmobile
And, yes verizon does that.
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Thanks for the reply! I've read good stuff about T-Mobile so I think that's what I'll go with. Apparently I'll get 4G with a European LG G4 with them aswell so that suits me great.