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Question about using Sprint's contract change to get a Hero...

First, sorry if this is in the wrong forum... I just know that this was dicussed a while back.
So my sister is tired of her Blackberry being a piece of junk, and she saw my Hero, and was like "omg. that phone is so much better than my BB". So, since Sprint changed their contract, I can cancel a line for free right now. Is it possible to take advantage of it, and cancel her line, and then sign her up again so she can get a Hero at a subsidized rate? Because my dad was just at the Sprint store, and he said he asked them and they just said she would still have to pay the unsubsidized price. Would it work if I cancelled the line over the phone, and then signed her line up again through Sprint.com? I just want to know if anyone has done this or knows how I would go about doing this...
Thanks

Yes, that "should" be fairly easy to accomplish.
I intend to get them to just release my current upgrade status so that if something awesome comes out this spring, I'm immediately upgrade eligible.
However, like anything else customer service related, it depends who you get on the other end of the line, and how well you deal with them.
The best tact I can think of is to be totally courteous and respectful, and moderately honest. Tell them you realize that $.50 is no big deal, but since you can legally back out, and since the Nexus one just got released, you're weighing your options. Tell them you'd rather stay with sprint, but it'd be hard to resist the draw of an even better android device on a similarly priced carrier.
If you handle it right, it shouldn't be too tough to get them to upgrade your other phone to a hero at the upgrade price.

Ahh wow thanks! That means I should not only get my sister a Hero, but also ask them to release my upgrade status too... actually, all of my family's upgrade status

mrinehart93 said:
Ahh wow thanks! That means I should not only get my sister a Hero, but also ask them to release my upgrade status too... actually, all of my family's upgrade status
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Correct.
That might not be so easy to accomplish, however, since you don't have an immediate end game..
They'll interpret it as you wanting to be released from your contract but without terminating service. I believe some people have done exactly that successfully, but in general, they won't do that. You need to be very clear that you want to be made upgrade eligible, not necessarily released from your contract completely.. YOu also want them to give you that in writing, so that when a device does come out that you want, you won't have a big fight with them.

I was thinking of trying to use this to get a hero also. I know carriers will try to give you incentives to stay, but does anyone think they could give a Hero as an incentive?

krymzon40 said:
I was thinking of trying to use this to get a hero also. I know carriers will try to give you incentives to stay, but does anyone think they could give a Hero as an incentive?
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I doubt you'd get one free, but this is a perfect opportunity to tell them essentially "look, I can legally break my contract and go get another phone subsidized with another carrier (like the nexus one). You can keep me as a customer if you'll give me a fully subsidized upgrade with a new 2 year contract"
I'd word it more diplomatically than that, but that's the message you're trying to relay.. Someone is going to get your business for the next two years, and it might as well be them.

should we call retentions directly? I recently got my htc hero with a 2 year upgrade.. my sister isn't eligible for an upgrade for another year.. Should I just call and ask if they can reset our eligibility? I'm really not trying to hijack this thread, but I figured I'd ask.

I believe you guys have until Jan 31... cancellation direct # 8777754886

If any one has tried this, let us know here. Let use know the method you used and if you were successful. It'd be nice to upgrade to the next Android phone at a discounted price.

They broke the contract, so you can back out of it.
But they can say no when you attempt to enter a new one.

What is the contract change you guys are talking about?

The price increase in administrative fees

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The price increase in administrative fees
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Thanks for that, I am going to reserch and see when that took affect. I signed up in Oct 09.

the other way you can back out is if you are a new customer with an ASL on your account. If you dont enroll in autopay they will add 4.99 a month to your bill. That will allow you to cancel your contract but they wont let you go month to month.

Orangeandblue302 said:
the other way you can back out is if you are a new customer with an ASL on your account. If you dont enroll in autopay they will add 4.99 a month to your bill. That will allow you to cancel your contract but they wont let you go month to month.
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Do you know if anyone has been able to get them to reset the phone upgrade eligibility?

Allowed me to switch phones.
Hey everyone. Last week I was completely irritated with my Palm Pre. The UI is amazing and has tons of potential in the future, but the hardware issues and battery drain had finally pushed me to the breaking point. I called *2, pressed the option to cancel, and after explaining the situation in addition to the material change of contract, an account manager told me that I could go into the Sprint store and get them to swap my device for a different type of phone. She did not guarantee which phone it would be though. The store, after reading the notes on my account, instantly let me switch for a Hero when I asked.
On the phone:
When I mentioned the material change of contract that Sprint was implementing on the 10th they were instantly listening and ready to help. I expressed my concerns over the Pre and that I needed to get into a different phone - even if that means canceling with no ETF and going with another provider. I was already on my 3rd Pre replacement and I've been with Sprint for 10 years, so that might have helped my situation a bit. Maybe this made me a special case scenario, but the contract change situation I believe is what sealed the deal. If your current phone is giving you issues, calling Sprint is at least worth a try during this change of contract! Also, be nice on the phone.

Can I still get out of my contract without an ETF even if the new charges don't apply to me?
I'm not exactly sure what the charges are...
Also, if you cancel your contract, does service end at the end of the month you cancel on?

i have a question, if you back out of your contract and set your account up for cancellation, can you set ut a NEW account with the same phone(different #) and the go month to month on the new account

It would apply to all everyone has admin fees.
And no, its the plan and phone with a contract length, minimum you can do is a 1 yr with the business data essentials plan .

lv2bll said:
i have a question, if you back out of your contract and set your account up for cancellation, can you set ut a NEW account with the same phone(different #) and the go month to month on the new account
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its my understanding that the only way to go month to month is if your contract is fulfilled for the whole time you signed up for if you cancel you account they will shut your phone off that day also there is no guarantee that they will allow you to start a new contract if you just canceled (at least under the same name)

Should Samsung allow return and refund if GPS isn't fixed?

What do you think? If Samsung is unable to repair the GPS via a future software update, would you just accept it, or would demand your money back?

I would demand my money back.
It's near useless for me as it is now.

Now I'm carrying two devices. My 3GS to continue using my TomTom, do my email, read my news. But I use the SGS for Internet on the go (at home I use my iPad). Hate carrying two devices having to make one a hotspot.

Here's a thought. Go ask your retailer. You are entitled to your money back if you aren't happy with the GPS. Have you even tried yet?
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bushrat; said:
Here's a thought. Go ask your retailer. You are entitled to your money back if you aren't happy with the GPS. Have you even tried yet?
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Yes, I've tried. They want me to pay penalty for breaking the contract, and they would not accept the phone back. They would only replace it within 14 days with another new phone. After 14 days, they will only repair the phone, but not give me a new replacement. The Telco shop only acts as the middleman, and responsibility lies with Samsung to them.
Had I taken the $59 per month plan, then I could return it, no question asked within 7 days, and I only have to pay for any calls and data use. But I'm on the $49 per month plan because I wanted to commit myself to using Android by burning my own bridge. It's a mistake on hindsight. I didn't expect it to be so bad.
I feel that Samsung should work with the Telco to do exactly what Apple and ATT did, which is to allow people to back out of the contract without penalty, and have the phone returned. After all, this is a far far more seriously problem than in iPhone 4 in my mind at least.

The responsibility (under Australian law) is with the retailer, although they consult with a specialist (ie the manufacturer) to determine if there's a fault.
If the phone is faulty, and does not perform the task for which it was purchased you are entitled to a full refund of the purchase price.
www . accc . gov . au

Have faith that It will be fixed, since the phone is still in very early days.
I'm putting my trust in Samsung! Hopefully we won't get burned.

yea if you send it to the manufacturer they will 'try' to fix it, and its its hardware they obv cant anyway, then you just complain again once u get it back and im assuming they would have to give you your money back.
id just be patient and wait a few more weeks for samsung to release their firmware, or just use the JM2 which fixes it i think

Eaglesteve, surely you have consumer protection laws in Aus? The device is clearly not fit for purpose, therefore breaking the terms of your contract In the UK all major retailers will try to sell additional cover or insurance; although the consumer protection act makes them legally obligated to repair or replace electrical goods for up to 5 years after the date of purchase. My point; retailers rely heavily on consumer ignorance You didn't purchase the device directly from samsung, the store can't absolve responsibility by claiming to be a "middle man".. plus most sales assistants know jack **** about the legalities of your agreement.
Write a formal complaint to the retailers head office, send the letter via recorded delivery and state that you've been advised to provide a response period of 14 days before taking your complaint further. You don't want to look for a replacement, make it clear that it's a manufacturing fault and not specific to your device. There should be an AUS ombudsman that deals with consumer complaints (bit.ly/8Xl55G), find the correct governing body and lodge a formal complaint, they should provide a reference for your case; include it in the letter to the retailer. In the UK you would then be able to take your complaint to the small claims court, however most companies will **** bricks and fold before it reaches this stage. The bottom line is the device was sold to you for its GPS capabilities, the information provided by the retailer mislead you to into the agreement; you've signed up under false pretences, reason enough for the contract to be declared void

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yea if you send it to the manufacturer they will 'try' to fix it, and its its hardware they obv cant anyway, then you just complain again once u get it back and im assuming they would have to give you your money back.
id just be patient and wait a few more weeks for samsung to release their firmware, or just use the JM2 which fixes it i think
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Im gonna flash to JM2 today, but Im getting a bit weary of the faith in Samsung.
Firstly, I'd point out that Samsung announced the phone in March. Three months perfecting the phone, and they still couldn't get the GPS sorted.
Another month later and with many firmware releases during that time, and still it doesn't look like its fixed. (though I haven't tried JM2 yet - in any event, the rumour is that it still doesn't fix onto more than 8 satellites despite seeing more, and it still doesn't lock onto anything with an SnR < 20)
Cya
Simon

yup, as far as samsung is concerned the device is already sold, they sell it on big bulks to retailers
it's the retailer duty to either give you the refund or not.
samsung will only accept RMA, or Warranty services

eaglesteve said:
I feel that Samsung should work with the Telco to do exactly what Apple and ATT did, which is to allow people to back out of the contract without penalty, and have the phone returned. After all, this is a far far more seriously problem than in iPhone 4 in my mind at least.
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IIRC (it's been a while since I bought the original iPhone), this isn't something new due to antenna gate and it's just Apple's spin machine doing what they do well. Contracts in the US telecom industry, not just on AT&T, are written in a way that this review period exists.
The only difference here is that there is a slight difference in restocking fees, where they wont be applied like they have at times in the past. This isn't really "Apple working with AT&T" as much as touting a possibility that typically exists, there are certain exceptions by carrier but one reason why AT&T isn't combating this is the same reason they were hesitant to accept Android phones, and they ultimately gimp Android phones, Apple is just $$$$ to them. Once again AT&T beat their quarterly record for profitability and they are the most profitable carrier in the US even though they are #2 in customers. Needless to say, they are at the whims of Apple, but this isn't a big compromise on either's behalf.

Amazing. So far, 1/3 of people are happy to accept faulty goods.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/18/samsung-captivate-now-available-from-att/
Some people here have returned it to AT&T, while I don't know it has been penalty free, I think you need to not put the onus on Samsung and need to have a better comparison in-mind.

sensi_ said:
yea if you send it to the manufacturer they will 'try' to fix it, and its its hardware they obv cant anyway, then you just complain again once u get it back and im assuming they would have to give you your money back.
id just be patient and wait a few more weeks for samsung to release their firmware, or just use the JM2 which fixes it i think
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I'm waiting for my replacement now. If the GPS still doesn't work, I might do that. As for JM2, I don't believe it do anything based on whatever limited reading I did on some of those threads.

sjdean said:
Amazing. So far, 1/3 of people are happy to accept faulty goods.
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I guess there's two main to three main things that could be at play here:
1) GPS isn't important to these people, therefore they are voting on their bias rather than from an objective viewpoint
2) GPS isn't a core functionality, therefore it's hard to say it justifies a return or that it is "faulty" as you put it
3) GPS is imprecise by nature, so users who have a strong need for it should be more informed about their purchase and the onus is on them to do their hw or lay in the bed they've made.
I am abstaining because I find the premise somewhat flawed, first of all. I think retailers and/or carriers are responsible, just like in other industries/product lines. If I buy a wireless router that doesn't perform well in, let's say it's wired performance I don't go direct to the manufacturer there. If I buy a camera that advertises 12MP but seems to produce ****ty results, I again, go to my retailer. In here, I also have a slight bias, originally being in the U.S. where we typically buy are phones through a carrier who give us a bit of extra protection because of the way contracts are set up they don't want to lose a customer totally (also part of the premise of the argument is based on a carrier logic that I don't think is applicable in this thread, but that might just be my opinion and I'm alone there).
So, I think the premise is flawed, and perhaps my logic is flawed, but I don't want to just vote "no" just because if either is flawed. However, I don't disagree with the "no" camp.

Lots of good advice from many of you. I'll have to talk to them if mynnext unit does not work. I hope it will work, since half the people polled claim that theirs are perfect.
If it does not work, I'll reason with Optus to get bout of the contract. I wonder how much of the $49 is for the phone and how much is for the data and calls. Should I simply withhold my payment, return the ozone, and pay them for actual calls and data used?

sjdean said:
Amazing. So far, 1/3 of people are happy to accept faulty goods.
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Yeah that's just the Samsung reps voting.

eaglesteve said:
Lots of good advice from many of you. I'll have to talk to them if mynnext unit does not work. I hope it will work, since half the people polled claim that theirs are perfect.
If it does not work, I'll reason with Optus to get bout of the contract. I wonder how much of the $49 is for the phone and how much is for the data and calls. Should I simply withhold my payment, return the ozone, and pay them for actual calls and data used?
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Depends on how much you paid for the phone. 24 month contract? Tmo is selling their, slightly gimped model for $500 USD, I think that's on the high end of what they might get from international suppliers, depending on how big they are even though the international version is more costly.
So, ~500USD/24~20USD/month, maybe less, if fully subsidized. Forgive me for cutting corners and not looking into your location specifically, but I figure it's better than looking for the absolute cheapest UK/Euro/Thailand location.

There is no upfront cost for the phone. Just 24 months x $49. I had offered to continue with the plan but with an alternative phone and topping up the difference in monthly fee) but they refused that.

How to upgrade early

Ok, So here's my plan:
1. Go to AT&T website. Login. Add a line
2. Choose the phone I want with that new line for the discounted price or free with two year contract.
3. Receive the phone in the mail with brand new sim and everthing
4. Only take the phone out the box never touch the sim, unlock the phone, put different sim from another phone service in it and start using the phone with that service (or simply swap the sim for the line I'm already using)
5. Never activate the new line
Will i still have to pay for the second line if I never activate it? Or do I walk away sky free with my new phone?
someone said they have done this and it worked, I want feedback before I try and end up getting stuck paying another bill for a second line I don't need or want.

Wonder if this works? Would love to know!
Sent From My GR-11Captivate!

Eventually they will wonder what happened to the phone they sent to you and either ask for it back or activate it on their end I am sure. What do you do when you don't send a phone back to them?

aka how to try to cheat the system and fail
this won't work because when you agree to purchase at the discounted price, it comes with the expressed agreement that you are creating a new line that you will use and pay for 1 year or 2 years. if you do not activate the line, you will be charged for a line cancelation/ETF. without any months used, that means you'll pay for discounted price of phone and an ETF of at least $350
basically, AT&T isn't stupid. if you've thought of this idea, it's likely they have as well.

Kaik541 said:
aka how to try to cheat the system and fail
this won't work because when you agree to purchase at the discounted price, it comes with the expressed agreement that you are creating a new line that you will use and pay for 1 year or 2 years. if you do not activate the line, you will be charged for a line cancelation/ETF. without any months used, that means you'll pay for discounted price of phone and an ETF of at least $350
basically, AT&T isn't stupid. if you've thought of this idea, it's likely they have as well.
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I don't know....That's why I asked second opinions, but how can they cancel what was never activated? And I haven't signed any agreements? So why would I pay a early termination fee for something I never activated, or terminated?

nightwanderer said:
Eventually they will wonder what happened to the phone they sent to you and either ask for it back or activate it on their end I am sure. What do you do when you don't send a phone back to them?
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Why would you have to send something back that you paid for? That's like buying something from Wal-mart, and not using it the way it was supposed to be used so they ask you to bring it back... Not Likely. Lol

Klyentel said:
And I haven't signed any agreements? So why would I pay a early termination fee for something I never activated, or terminated?
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clicking agree is the same thing as signing your name on paper.
when you go to the web site and ask for a second line (with a phone) you must click "agree" to a contract. read the contract. you agree to pay for the phone if you do not activate the second line with a 2 year(or whatever) contract. that is why they send you a phone, because you agree to be a customer for a couple years.
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Why would you have to send something back that you paid for? That's like buying something from Wal-mart, and not using it the way it was supposed to be used so they ask you to bring it back... Not Likely. Lol
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when you buy something from walmart you BUY it, you PAY MONEY for it. so OF COURSE they wouldnt ask you to bring it back. but if you RENT a car, and dont bring it back, they charge your credit card, as you agreed too.

yeah dont do that! someone may have fallen through the cracks here and there, but believe me they dont give you the phone on just good faith. they can charge you for the phone full price on the credit card, they can activate your line anyway and charge you for the two years of service, they can put it on your credit report, and they can charge you with theft. maybe they have a bad system and people get away with it, maybe in a court you can get a really good lawyer and get out of it for only lawyer and court fees(more expensive anyway) but all in all it is not a good idea.

Kyle...
for more information on " clicking agree " please go to
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes
and watch the season 15 premier of South Park
Human-cent-i-pad
- (official site no legal issues)
"why wont it read?"

Well glad I didn't try it, but I do know someone that got away with it. Maybe they got lucky.

TRusselo said:
when you buy something from walmart you BUY it, you PAY MONEY for it. so OF COURSE they wouldnt ask you to bring it back. but if you RENT a car, and dont bring it back, they charge your credit card, as you agreed too.
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Unless it's offered for free, you do actually pay for the phone though. You just get a discounted price.
Eample, if the phone retails at $599, they give it to you for $199 if you agree to two years of service.
So after you pay the offered price, the phone is yours. They cannot ask for it back, regardless if you terminate service early or whatever. And they charge your credit card right up front before they even ship it out. So that is what I met by the Wal Mart analogy, Once you pay for something its yours

its called early termination fee... they get the rest of the cost of the phone out of you.
so ya pay 0$ or $199 on a more expensive phone, you can keep it and not do the contract
but you have to pay for cancelling the contract.. so you basically pay the remainder of the phone.
and EVERYONE else that has even bothered answering this thread agrees.
face it you are wrong.
and lcd damage
water damage
brick...
your sig doesnt inspire trust in you....

TRusselo said:
its called early termination fee... they get the rest of the cost of the phone out of you.
so ya pay 0$ or $199 on a more expensive phone, you can keep it and not do the contract
but you have to pay for cancelling the contract.. so you basically pay the remainder of the phone.
and EVERYONE else that has even bothered answering this thread agrees.
face it you are wrong.
and lcd damage
water damage
brick...
your sig doesnt inspire trust in you....
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Wtf? I never said I was right! All I did was ask for some feedback you prick. I just wanted to see what others thought before I tried, and now I know. Now why are you getting so sensitive about the issue? Do you work for AT&T or something? Dam.
And my sig has nothing to do with you, and most those phones weren't mine they were my wifes, except for the G1, either way not your concern, go inspire a life

TRusselo said:
its called early termination fee... they get the rest of the cost of the phone out of you.
so ya pay 0$ or $199 on a more expensive phone, you can keep it and not do the contract
but you have to pay for cancelling the contract.. so you basically pay the remainder of the phone.
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Since you like correcting people, and I'm sure 1400 of your 1700+ posts on xda are probably you being a ****....Allow me to correct you.
Just because you inquire a fee for something it does not reflect the price value of the merchandise. Example, you pay $199 for a phone that is originally $599, you cancel contract early and pay the ETF of $250 ( I don't know where the **** you got $350 from ) You look at it as if you paid full price of the phone right? Wrong. You may have spent in total almost 500 bucks anyway, but not on the phone. Because if you paid full price for the phone which is $599 plus the ETF of $250...your total spent would be about 850 dollars. Big difference right? Right.
Moral to the story, before you try to be a smart ass, you first have to be smart, otherwise, that just makes you an ass!

i never started name calling or being sensitive, and obviously i dont work for att im canadian.
why did you bother asking us if you know you are right?
im done.
grow up.

Thread closed, since this won't lead to nothing. Also, discussion in how to avoid payment or leaning to cheating it doesn't sound good.
If you want to do it, do it. No need to discuss it in a public forum.

AT&T Nexus cost more??

**Warning** Kind of a long read but I'm curious to other peoples thoughts.
Wanted to share my experience today. I went into a Corporate AT&T store planning on upgrading to a 32GB MB Nexus 6 on the Next program. I'm good with it being carrier locked and I'll just remove the AT&T bloatware. I was excited that they had them in stock, however I noticed that the retail price was for $682.99 instead of $649 like Google has it for. I asked the rep and he was surprised and looked it up. I told him that other carriers were selling it for $649 also, and he verified it but couldn't explain it and mentioned that they can't match it either. I asked why do I want to pay like $30 more for it to be carrier locked and have bloatware installed (okay with it but not gonna pay for it).
At home, I called 611 to see if they would match it and see if they knew why. The first rep basically said that was the way it was and didn't really seem interested. The second time I called (I know now maybe I'm crazy but didn't think its right), I asked for their loyalty department cause I know they have more power. The guy there said he was being told that its not ATT but the Manufacture that is dictating the price. I told him that Motorola has it for $649 on their website and it doesn't make sense that they are letting everyone else sell it for one price and making AT&T sell it higher. Told them that I may change carriers if AT&T thinks that its good business practice to charge more then everyone else.
I want to point out that:
1. I was never rude or demanded anything. Just told them that I hope it gets pushed up and corrected.
2. Realize that this is a first world problem and I could just go purchase it from Google or somewhere else but I feel its the principle. Its not right to charge like $30 more and add to the fact that I would have paid higher taxes.
3. They still ended up not matching the price but did offer me a $50 discount off the contract price but told them I didn't want a contract.

The extra cost is for the high quality paint used for the death star logo on the back. (The one that comes off if you stare at it hard enough.)
Actually, I didn't mind the extra 30 for one simple reason: it didn't require waiting 6 to 20 weeks for moto to get stock and ship.
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Ha on the paint. I'm still torn. Almost talked myself into going back and just pay for it.

You know what? I just bought a Nexus 6 from AT&T web ordering and I knew it was $30 more than everyone else, but you know what?! AT&T has them in stock and nobody else does!! Get over it. If you don't like it wait until Google has them on their site and then wait some more until they really have it and can send it to you! I had no problem getting mine from AT&T and I really didn't care that it has their logo on it!

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Ha on the paint. I'm still torn. Almost talked myself into going back and just pay for it.
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Do you going to leave a service because they charge 30 bucks for a device no one got in stock? Sound like a great business strategy for me... They know they can provide it today while others can in weeks. I will advice you go back

Appreciate the feed back. I realize that's it only like 30 bucks but there is also the added cost of paying taxes on 682 instead of 649. Not outrageous but still there. I doubt they are charging higher because they know they have them in stock. Especially when they are late to the game. They had to send their initial batch back. I wonder if this is fair to be who don't realize they are paying more. I noticed the price difference and accept the added cost, I'm okay with it but it's not fair to an unsuspecting customer.

Complain about it on at&t's Facebook page. The first person that contacts you probably won't be alot of help. They will eventually have someone else contact you. This person can help you. They gave me a $100 bill credit. I could have paid the balance of $582.99 plus tax but I chose to do the next 12 plan. So I paid $682.99 in order to do next and the $100 came off my monthly bill.

Well to update. I ended up going back and getting it. Really wanted to check it out and decided it was worth to walk out with it now. I hope its corrected still though. Now to run it through its paces before the 14 days are up. Like it so far. It is my first nexus device.

Mine was 249.99 with the 2 year contract.

$249.99 + $25 per month extra for 24 months = $849.99 + tax and upgrade / activation fees.

Best buy has the at&t n6 for 649 but the sprint n6 is 699 dosent make sense
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That's interesting, on Sprints website its 648.

Selling While Financed?

Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?

No but I know att has a spot when you view your stuff online to view what you owe to own it
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If you financed through Google, you can sell it as the IMEI doesn't show up as financed and the phone is unlocked. Carrier phone IMEI should show up as financed like my T-Mobile phones. I sold my 3A without any issues.
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Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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Is that even allowed without informing the poor bastard that bought it that he's locked out? That is a weird question. Why do you ask it?

No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.

stevew84 said:
Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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I'm almost certain that is fraud. You don't own it to sell it!

Alcolawl said:
No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.
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m+a+r+k said:
Isn't that illegal? You don't own it to sell it!
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People sell their houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view

Badger50 said:
People sell they're houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view
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That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.

bobby janow said:
That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.
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Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!

m+a+r+k said:
Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!
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not true you can sell it just like you can with a car and have someone take over payments. as long as you pay your monthly dues you'll be good.

stevew84 said:
Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.

jmartin72 said:
I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.
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That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.

bobby janow said:
That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.
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Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.

jmartin72 said:
Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.
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I wasn't sure about the Verizon line/account restrictions. Of course you are not one to stiff a friend or stranger for that matter. But that's not the point really, or at least I don't think the OP was referring to a private sale like what you did. Private sales are just that, private. But selling a financed phone, car, home or bicycle where the purchaser can have it repossessed unbeknownst to him or her then that is illegal. I'm not an attorney but that would be a case to bring if you can find the person who stiffed you. Thus Swappa will not allow a financed device on their selling site and eBay I'm not sure of. I doubt they check but Paypal might have an issue if reported. Bottom line, don't sell a financed device without full disclosure and a signature to prove it.