Now THIS is an accessory ! - Streak 5 Accessories

Logitech diNovo Mini Keyboard, joined in union with a Dell Streak
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Dell Streak & Logitech diNovo Mini
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holy ****! Want!

Awesome! It just so happens that I have one of these.
Pity I don't actually own a Streak (yet). (I'm waiting for Froyo and (hopefully) exclusivity to O2 to come to an end so that I can get it on my Vodafone contract.)

Ruudfood said:
I'm waiting for Froyo
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You might be waiting a while

Ruudfood said:
Awesome! It just so happens that I have one of these.
Pity I don't actually own a Streak (yet). (I'm waiting for Froyo and (hopefully) exclusivity to O2 to come to an end so that I can get it on my Vodafone contract.)
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u can get it unlocked from dell dude

Meltus said:
You might be waiting a while
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September? Not that far off. I already have an HD2 which works like a charm so I only want it as a new toy. I'm not desperate to have it now.
spacecat said:
u can get it unlocked from dell dude
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No kidding!? I don't want to pay for it. That's the whole point of a contract - you get the phone for free.

Ruudfood said:
No kidding!? I don't want to pay for it. That's the whole point of a contract - you get the phone for free.
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erm.....no
it may seem free but infact the price you pay for your contract and the length of said contact includes the cost of the handset.
i brought my streak from dell. i get unlimited everything on a month by month contract for £15 p/m. which means i can cancel at any time. if your locked into a 18month "free phone" contract and decide to leave you have to pay the remainder of the contract plus the cost of the handset. you end up paying allot more in the long run with one of those contracts

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erm.....no
it may seem free but infact the price you pay for your contract and the length of said contact includes the cost of the handset.
i brought my streak from dell. i get unlimited everything on a month by month contract for £15 p/m. which means i can cancel at any time. if your locked into a 18month "free phone" contract and decide to leave you have to pay the remainder of the contract plus the cost of the handset. you end up paying allot more in the long run with one of those contracts
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That's if you decide to leave. I won't be leaving.
Plus at £20/m for 18 months which is what I currently pay it'll still work out cheaper for me at £360. Now compare that to your £450 plus £15/m for 18 months and I'm winning.

Wow, this is really a good accessory !!
And it works via bluetooth connection without problems on the Streak??

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Source: Engadet
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Actual Source: StreakSmart
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Been trying to get ome of tjese here in Australia - none of the retailers seem to stock them anymore. Some of the people said they were problematic - werent specific however
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That is really epic, and it provides a seemingly good hardware keyboard to make up for the annoying sof keyboard.

Nice keyboard but beware of the German qwertz layout as that layout isn't properly recognized.
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Yeah it works well, however i was using it with my archos internet tablet 5 and there was a cursor on the home screen, fell streak doesn't have a cursor on the home screen, no big deal, great for typing.
Mind you android support soo many different soft keyboards (onscreen), with various. Apk around there easy to install.
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Need pair code for pairing mini with streak
Hey mate...do you happen to know the pair code for pairing the logitech mini with the dell streak, when i put the mini in pairing mode, and look for devices on my streak it finds it but asks for a code....i do not have the original manual since I have my mini for a while now....any help???:

bigpunisher said:
Hey mate...do you happen to know the pair code for pairing the logitech mini with the dell streak, when i put the mini in pairing mode, and look for devices on my streak it finds it but asks for a code....i do not have the original manual since I have my mini for a while now....any help???:
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Just enter the same code for both devices. Enter 0000 on the Streak, click OK and then hit 0000 on the dinovo and hit enter... they will pair. (0000 can be replaced w/ anything)

Yep, i can second that. 0000 on both devices. Or you could just use the same code on both.
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Hi,
For those who would like a more adapted keylayout for your DiNovo keyboards with azerty, qwerty and qwertz, you can find them in Modaco forum (DiNovo keylayout topic).
Hope you'll enjoy !

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what should i get next?

Hi all,
I have this bad habit of trying out latest gadgets.......
i never had a single phone for more than 2 months...i easily get bored
till now i had many phones.......
iphone...HTC (diamond, HD, HD2, G1, Magic, Nexus one)..plam pre, sony ericsson (satio, Xperia x10).. Palm pre....samsung (some stupid phone) .....Motorola milestone..nokia N97..some other small phones (all in just 1 year )
now i am bored with nexus and xperia and want to try something exciting...but all exciting phones like HTC evo 4g and droidx are only available in US and also CDMA...
samsung bada is not so exciting (No apps )
please suggest something exciting phone i can get in germany......
I think you have had just about everything to date.
Try that new watch phone that LG came out with. It looks pretty cool, reminds me of James Bond
Get the GSM version of the droid x. It's the milestone xt722 or something but it has a 8 mp camera with a xenon flash and a keyboard along with a front facing camera. I would've got it before my Nexus, but it's got Motoblur and it's Motorola....
How about the Samsung galaxy s? Too bad it's very familiar with the iphone design...
motorola is the worst company i would i ever go for...they are against openeness and they can't fulfill my rom flashing addiction....
sold my milestone within 3 days of buying it brand new.....
thinking of N900 or Dell streak...wat say?
but N900 has this bad resisitive screen which i hate.....
i dont know why...i dont like samsung at all...
what do you say XDAians?
no one ...... :'(
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My brother has the N900, it's a pretty cool phone and the OS is sleek. Havent really played a lot with it.
chowdarygm said:
motorola is the worst company i would i ever go for...they are against openeness and they can't fulfill my rom flashing addiction....
sold my milestone within 3 days of buying it brand new.....thinking of N900 or Dell streak...wat say?
but N900 has this bad resisitive screen which i hate.....
i dont know why...i dont like samsung at all...
what do you say XDAians?
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I agree 100%. HTC all the way!
get the streak let me no so i can get one lol
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You should sell me your Nexus! What bout the Aria? Mytouch slide? Hd2? Desire? Wildfire? Kin? Legend? Droid X? Xperia X2? Streak? Htc Hero?
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Dell Streak is the one for you man not out in your country yet but will be soon and you wont get board with it after 2 months,
PS you must do good business Selling on Ebay LOL
Idk about a dell streak... It's not really portable. It's meant to be a tablet with phone capabilities. You can tell by the way the capacitive buttons are turned 90 degrees so when it's on a table you see them correctly . But still... a 5 inch screen on a phone is just way to big.
Stick with HTC and XDA on what ever you get!
thank you all for the replies...........
Dell streak is good but its on 1.6 ........
most of the other phones Alex530 has mentioned are not available in Germany and they are not GSM too....
@lufc ...i dont sell these on ebay as i have got many local friends who would like to buy phones from me as i am the mobile guru for them here and i still have most of the phones with me still
looking to try Bada os but it has no VOIP app yet which is the major part of my phone usage
i am still confused and dont know what to do............please...help me...
Why don't you turn to some other kind of gadgets?
You have cars, watches, hi-fi, home cinema, bikes, girls (I did not say that! or did I? ), etc, etc.
An all new world for you.
vmiguel said:
Why don't you turn to some other kind of gadgets?
You have cars, watches, hi-fi, home cinema, bikes, girls (I did not say that! or did I? ), etc, etc.
An all new world for you.
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i have my footprint there too
have 2 cars....2 bikes (one in that is Yamaha R15 ..the R-DNA bike)....recently got PS3 250GB, 42inch LCD TV..........and girls....my wife will kill me (typical Indian women style)
huh....i filled your list too....any one anymore?
Oooookkkkk...
Sell all, go live in the mountains for 2 years minimum, with no modern facilities whatsoever, and then start over!
vmiguel said:
Oooookkkkk...
Sell all, go live in the mountains for 2 years minimum, with no modern facilities whatsoever, and then start over!
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LOL........if any girl company me there i am happy......
Shsss!!! The wife, remember the wife...

defunct HP TouchPad 16GB $99

engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/let-the-liquidation-begin-hps-16gb-touchpad-on-sale-for-99/
dual-core 1.2GHZ Qualcomm Scorpion, Adreno 220
wonder how hard it would be to get CM7 on it
bull**** its only in Canada.
coming to USA at that price 8/20 only until 8/22
32gb for 149$
This somewhat makes me regret getting a Nook two months ago, since someone will definitly port Android to it.
Its too bad, webOS had major potential. Hope this gets more people aware of it and makes HP change their minds about the thing or decide to at least licence the OS.
NewZJ said:
coming to USA at that price 8/20 only until 8/22
32gb for 149$
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yeah i saw that will the price raise back after?
im probably gonna get atleast a 16gb one i kinda miss webos from my old pre when it was released on sprint had fun with preware.
theres no information about past 8/22 but for 149$ its very very tempting, i think if somebody does port android to it then it can be a savior for HP, heck, they should put android on it and sell it for 299$
crap i hope they dont read that
NewZJ said:
theres no information about past 8/22 but for 149$ its very very tempting, i think if somebody does port android to it then it can be a savior for HP, heck, they should put android on it and sell it for 299$
crap i hope they dont read that
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im definitely gonna get at least a 16gb touchpad maybe a 32gb one not sure yet...
kinda depressed cause i just got this nook color : /
Eh, screw it. Nobody said you cant have two tablets, I'm picking one up tomorrow if this price cut hits the US.
Hope someone ports CM7 to this thing. That would be epic.
Already saw these prices on target's website
I just bought one and no longer have a purpose for my NC.
can't find it cheap anywhere yet, I'm looking
Got a 32GB from the HP site for $133. I had to register with a business code that I found online to get the discounted price, plus I used a discount code.
JCreazy said:
Got a 32GB from the HP site for $133. I had to register with a business code that I found online to get the discounted price, plus I used a discount code.
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care to share?
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found epp sign in discount and $30 off code, now repeatedly attempting for it to show the discounted price
1. GO HERE - > https://www.shopping.hp.com/webap...ter_epp.do
2. USE COMPANY CODE 2727
3. REGISTER WITH DIFFERENT EMAIL
4. BUY TOUCHPAD for $99
5. REP ME.
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Doesn't work, maybe it did at one time but its only $25 off
edit: it works! I just bought a 32gb for $140, you have to sign up first and then use one of the links in this post use the coupon code save15hp for addition savings!
My order
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walked into BestBuy paid $399 for 16GB, assured that 100% refund 30 days or full price-match 14 days (knowing possibly/likely $99 tomorrow).
checked it out in store, will never replace NC, TouchPad screen inferior, but irresistible $99 to try out 1.2Ghz dual-core Scorpion / Adreno 220 GPU / 10" IPS.
EDIT: will update with efforts at price-match tomorrow (08/20/2011).
2nd EDIT: bummer, went back today and BestBuy wouldn't price-match, had to return it.
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Doesn't work, maybe it did at one time but its only $25 off
edit: it works! I just bought a 32gb for $140, you have to sign up first and then use one of the links in this post use the coupon code save15hp for addition savings!
My order
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the link did it, 145.59 32gb after tax and everything
edit, shop ur pic. i can see your order number
Ok, just bought a 32 GB touchpad and a pack of recycled paper for 136.00 (with tax). Here is hoping they port android over.
why do people hope someones gonna port android it hasnt happened with any pres why would the touch pad be different?
AyoJake said:
why do people hope someones gonna port android it hasnt happened with any pres why would the touch pad be different?
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O Rly? Explain this then
http://forums.precentral.net/other-handhelds/278450-android-pre-5.html#post2940959
Besides, the dirt cheap price and the very decent hardware make it hardware that's going to sell out its inventory fast. And those who own them are going to want a modern, up to date OS once HP officially pulls the plug on the software side of things.
Jotokun said:
O Rly? Explain this then
http://forums.precentral.net/other-handhelds/278450-android-pre-5.html#post2940959
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well that sealed it im getting the touchpad.

T-Mobile Employee discounts?

I was just curious of what discounts and perks the employees receive.
Thanks everyone!
I remember talking to one of the guys at a T-Mobile store a while back and I think he said that you get to buy a phone at the upgrade price every 6 months or something. I don't quite remember though, I may be Wrong.
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Nice, that would be pretty awesome!
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Word to the wise, don't advertise much you're a tmo employee here or other blog sites, they don't like it, it's how I lost my job (last year, I have a much better one now)
But, since you asked, if you were hired direct to the company (not sine 3rd party wireless affiliate), last I checked, it was 2000 minutes, unlimited text for $10, unlimited data is an extra $5.
You get a 40% discount on the wholesale price of the device of your liking, but only for the first 2 lines. All additional lines are full price. You can have up to 6 lines (last I was there) with the criteria I listed above.
After 2 years, your 3rd and 4th year discount increase to 65%, and 5th year and higher, any device you want is free (but you have to pay outrageous taxes on the hardware)
They're a good company to work for, so long as you're in a position you like, and while they remain around).
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TheMan42 said:
They're a good company to work for, so long as you're in a position you like, and while they remain around).
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Whatever happened to the T Mobile/AT&T merger ?
TheMan42 said:
Word to the wise, don't advertise much you're a tmo employee here or other blog sites, they don't like it, it's how I lost my job (last year, I have a much better one now)
But, since you asked, if you were hired direct to the company (not sine 3rd party wireless affiliate), last I checked, it was 2000 minutes, unlimited text for $10, unlimited data is an extra $5.
You get a 40% discount on the wholesale price of the device of your liking, but only for the first 2 lines. All additional lines are full price. You can have up to 6 lines (last I was there) with the criteria I listed above.
After 2 years, your 3rd and 4th year discount increase to 65%, and 5th year and higher, any device you want is free (but you have to pay outrageous taxes on the hardware)
They're a good company to work for, so long as you're in a position you like, and while they remain around).
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Do you know if they get to pay for their phones (with the discounted price) over 20 months?
TravisBean said:
Whatever happened to the T Mobile/AT&T merger ?
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AT&T officially withdrew the application for the merger from the FCC... The fat lady has sung.....
It's over.
Wasn't me!! I didn't do it!
Babydoll25 said:
AT&T officially withdrew the application for the merger from the FCC... The fat lady has sung.....
It's over.
Wasn't me!! I didn't do it!
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Excellent!
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rageagainsttx said:
Do you know if they get to pay for their phones (with the discounted price) over 20 months?
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when i was there they didnt give you an option to break up payments, it was just billed to your account within 1 to 2 months
msafdaryan said:
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I am silent user by gio Mobil
I happy member in this forum
TNx
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If you're happy and you know it clap your hands!!!
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My employee discount at T-Mobile is better. The manager gives me a better price phones. I get to connect 10 lines
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Sound like a great deal!
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sounds good. but im not really impressed with T-Mobile's line up right now. =(

[R.I.P.]Broken Grouper

Damn, i accidentally dropped on to the tile floor and landed on the corner... R.I.P. (2012-2013) my trusty N7. Now i am facing a new problem: a new tablet. I am tempted to buy an ipad as it may partially replace my laptop on certain school days. however the 32gb grouper is only $250 here, also a good buy. what should i do?
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oh, and the screen does work with a mouse at least its not THAT dead.
Ouch..
I will wait for the n7 refresh, who knows what Google will do in the next 2 months.
Beamed from my Maguro.
You can buy 32gb Groupers for $199 now since most places are lowering them, I guess, in preparation for the new model.
I have a brand new 32gb sitting in a box downstairs. I guess I'll sell both and buy a new one, if its worth it.
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maybe you have to answer this;
- how the urgency of your need?
- if you buy Ipad, will it cover all your need?
if i were you i'll take N10 instead Ipad..
strykerider said:
maybe you have to answer this;
- how the urgency of your need?
- if you buy Ipad, will it cover all your need?
if i were you i'll take N10 instead Ipad..
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yeah, but it is much harder to obtain a n10 here in aus than say America. so i decided that i am going to get an ipad, and i did. not to worry guys, my brother who lives with me still actively uses his grouper (a lot) so i an still gonna be around for the next few months thanks for the sympathy and i do appreciate that a lot. fingers crossed for your beloved n7. may the case be with you (if you catch what i mean).
Bill signing out.
Billchen0014 said:
yeah, but it is much harder to obtain a n10 here in aus than say America. so i decided that i am going to get an ipad, and i did. not to worry guys, my brother who lives with me still actively uses his grouper (a lot) so i an still gonna be around for the next few months thanks for the sympathy and i do appreciate that a lot. fingers crossed for your beloved n7. may the case be with you (if you catch what i mean).
Bill signing out.
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Enjoy your new tablet!
Beamed from my Grouper
Billchen0014 said:
so i decided that i am going to get an ipad, and i did.
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Because apple is better. NO. Because here in Australia good android tablets are as hard to find as it is easy to find iPads. There really aren't many choices things like n10 is just to complicated to obtain. That's why, if I am given a CHOICE, I will choose android every time, but here there isn't any choices.
Billchen0014 said:
Because apple is better. NO. Because here in Australia good android tablets are as hard to find as it is easy to find iPads. There really aren't many choices things like n10 is just to complicated to obtain. That's why, if I am given a CHOICE, I will choose android every time, but here there isn't any choices.
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Which iPad? The 4 is hardly a bad tablet-- I was thinking of trading in my iPad 3 (the performance bump from the 3 to the 4 is really quite nice), but ultimately didn't have time to go in today and the promotion is over. Honestly, I like it more than any of my Android tablets because the thing is rock solid no matter what, but I do a lot of my tinkering on my Android tabs so it's at least partially my fault.
I would wait and acquire the nexus 7 second generation.
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Haha +1
Android <3

Bestbuy has Moga Power A Bluetooth Controller for $23.99.

I believe this is an in-store price because it is more online. This is supposed to be an excellent controller for use with the GVR. It's normally $59.99. Not all stores carry this so check online before venturing out. Here's the SKU: 1883244.
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is there a link or ad showing its that much in store?
sfld said:
is there a link or ad showing its that much in store?
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I just bought it for that much in the store about an hour ago. Here's the web link for the online price. If you are hesitant please call ahead for pricing:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/power-a...ices/1883244.p?id=1219066387956&skuId=1883244
From what I've read, B-mode is best for non Moga games.
mitchellvii said:
From what I've read, B-mode is best for non Moga games.
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Did the inventory checker work for you? Im trying on the website but its not even populating how it usually does with all the locations
sfld said:
Did the inventory checker work for you? Im trying on the website but its not even populating how it usually does with all the locations
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Yeah it did. They have changed that lately. You may have to re-enter the zip code again manually.
Called my Best Buy and they said it's been discontinued so it can only be bought in store. Bummer
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Sean Z said:
Called my Best Buy and they said it's been discontinued so it can only be bought in store. Bummer
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Probably why it's a good deal. You don't have any in stores near you?
Checked and called within 50 miles near me and they've all said the same thing. I even showed them your post and they said they've discontinued it. :/
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probably not going to show inventory online but might luck out by going and walking through the store, what section do they keep them in? gaming? or cellular
Well they may be mistaken about the discontinue as they have them advertised for sale online and my best buy had 4.
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probably not going to show inventory online but might luck out by going and walking through the store, what section do they keep them in? gaming? or cellular
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They usually have a small hook of them by the phone cases and an end display between console games and computer accessories, depending on store layout. Your best bet would be to go for the Power Pro (same generation, but "premium") on Amazon or somewhere that has it discounted. It is far more comfortable and still fits into the Gear VR bag by propping it in the area meant for the Sammy one.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/power-a...ices/1883244.p?id=1219066387956&skuId=1883244 <- That is what comes up for the SKU. They are $36.99 and it is the Moga Hero, so chances are they will not price match based on a rumor. Usually discontinued items are marked or regular price on the site, not on sale.
The Hero line is known for being problematic. They do some interesting things with the buttons, such as sending out buffer codes. It is not something you may see as an end user, so long as the apps you use it with have accounted for use with the Hero.
If the controller didn't work for you, that may work to your advantage. Before returning it, it is a good idea to contact Moga. Moga doesn't do recalls, they discontinue the controller and then do warranty replacements for a similar item. They have done the same thing with their console controllers and you can buy a $30 PS3 controller and with one phone call a week or so of waiting, come out with a $60 Xbox controller.
My thoughts on the Hero are not based on experience with the Gear VR specifically, they are based on experience with designing the controller interface for an emulator. Moga releases a general plug-in for Unity, so chances are using it with the Gear VR exclusively will never present the issues. The plugin for Android as a whole requires you design a separate interface just for the Hero, which unless you use their SDK, is when you begin to notice the eccentricities.
twistedumbrella said:
They usually have a small hook of them by the phone cases and an end display between console games and computer accessories, depending on store layout.
You're better off waiting for a sale on the Power Pro or praying it's broken out of the box. Moga tends to cut all ties to discontinued hardware, but their warranty repair is to replace it with a current model.
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What?!
Mine works fine and for $24 is a steal. I really can't be worried about "continued support". I mean, it's a controller - how much support does it need? You turn it on, you press the buttons, boom boom. Don't think I'll be calling support for a walk-through. *SMH*
My BestBuy had 3 flavors, the Pro, an iPhone model and this one. They sold them in the mobile section. The Pro version was very expensive and not on sale. The online inventory thing did show they had these in 3 stores in my region.
The problem with "waiting on a Pro version sale" is waiting on a Pro version sale. Are you willing to wait months (if ever) just to save a few bucks on a controller? Kind of ridiculous plan assuming you actually want a controller anytime soon.
mitchellvii said:
What?!
Mine works fine and for $24 is a steal. I really can't be worried about "continued support". I mean, it's a controller - how much support does it need? You turn it on, you press the buttons, boom boom. Don't think I'll be calling support for a walk-through. *SMH*
My BestBuy had 3 flavors, the Pro, an iPhone model and this one. They sold them in the mobile section. The Pro version was very expensive and not on sale. The online inventory thing did show they had these in 3 stores in my region.
The problem with "waiting on a Pro version sale" is waiting on a Pro version sale. Are you willing to wait months (if ever) just to save a few bucks on a controller? Kind of ridiculous plan assuming you actually want a controller anytime soon.
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I prefer not to run out and buy something because I saw one thread about it on xda. That is how you end up with $200 in hardware that you have to post all over xda bashing. It is better to be absolutely sure it is the device you want, not just the one that was on sale. Whether or not you want to be impatient is your discretion. I am only providing the info I found through a lot of research before I bought the Moga Power Pro that has stuck with me through three devices.
Other cheap but extremely well-rated controllers that do not require special software:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/22099651?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227017417372
http://www.gamestop.com/android/acc...6-idroid-con-bluetooth-game-controller/106526
http://buy.thegameklip.com/
And here is the Hero Power with a regular price of $33 on Amazon. Obviously you aren't missing a great sale if you wait a week to see if the other one goes on sale first.
http://www.amazon.com/POWER-MOGA-Pro-Electronic-Games-Game/dp/B00FB5RBJM
Thanks for links. Those are all significantly more expensive than the model discussed in the OP and the last one isn't even a controller at all, it's a clip.

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