what happens when sense is flushed from memory? - Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Well first is that even possible? If it is then what is the result?
I am curious because lately my phone has been resetting itself (I don't mean a full reboot, but rather sense seems to be reloading. I am not really sure how to describe it but it is kind of like in windows when you log off and and log back in and windows restarts but you don't go through the whole post test) At first I thought maybe it was an app messing up and then I thought maybe it was the rom itself messing up, but now I am thinking that maybe sense is being flushed from memory and when that happens it needs to reload.
Any thoughts?

dsMA said:
Well first is that even possible? If it is then what is the result?
I am curious because lately my phone has been resetting itself (I don't mean a full reboot, but rather sense seems to be reloading. I am not really sure how to describe it but it is kind of like in windows when you log off and and log back in and windows restarts but you don't go through the whole post test) At first I thought maybe it was an app messing up and then I thought maybe it was the rom itself messing up, but now I am thinking that maybe sense is being flushed from memory and when that happens it needs to reload.
Any thoughts?
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It is sense rebooting itself.... get rid of it

DirtyShroomz said:
It is sense rebooting itself.... get rid of it
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OK so you are basically confirming my latest suspicion. I like the clock (with the weather and effects) widget to much get rid of it.
What would cause sense to reset itself?
(If I don't use sense then does that mean I lose all my flickr and facebook syncing?)

dsMA said:
OK so you are basically confirming my latest suspicion. I like the clock (with the weather and effects) widget to much get rid of it.
What would cause sense to reset itself?
(If I don't use sense then does that mean I lose all my flickr and facebook syncing?)
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Not at all... Some roms have issues with the memory and sense as far as I know and constantly cause it to reboot... I just changed roms

DirtyShroomz said:
Not at all... Some roms have issues with the memory and sense as far as I know and constantly cause it to reboot... I just changed roms
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do you know of any aosp roms with sense besides alysius?

If you download beautiful widgets you can get the sense looking clock and there are several widgets to replace the sense ones. Some HTC apps and widgets have not been mimicked yet. Launcher Pro Plus has a contatcs and one other widget available now and he is working on making more like HTC's. I really like launcher pro and run it instead of sense if I run a rom with sense, which is not very often. I have been running darchdroid or CM6 most of the time and do not miss sense.
You might try reflashing the ROM you are using without a wipe and see if that fixes it.

unCoRrUpTeD said:
If you download beautiful widgets you can get the sense looking clock and there are several widgets to replace the sense ones. Some HTC apps and widgets have not been mimicked yet. Launcher Pro Plus has a contatcs and one other widget available now and he is working on making more like HTC's. I really like launcher pro and run it instead of sense if I run a rom with sense, which is not very often. I have been running darchdroid or CM6 most of the time and do not miss sense.
You might try reflashing the ROM you are using without a wipe and see if that fixes it.
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Will reflashing have any effect on apps2sd
I wish all apps had a free or trial version so I could sample them before having to commit to any money. Beautiful widgets does it mimic the weather effects of HTCs clock/weather widget?

dsMA said:
Well first is that even possible? If it is then what is the result?
I am curious because lately my phone has been resetting itself (I don't mean a full reboot, but rather sense seems to be reloading. I am not really sure how to describe it but it is kind of like in windows when you log off and and log back in and windows restarts but you don't go through the whole post test) At first I thought maybe it was an app messing up and then I thought maybe it was the rom itself messing up, but now I am thinking that maybe sense is being flushed from memory and when that happens it needs to reload.
Any thoughts?
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What rom and kernel are you using, those new OC/UV kernels are known to cause this and so are task killers?

joehunni said:
What rom and kernel are you using, those new OC/UV kernels are known to cause this and so are task killers?
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I am using Aloysuis 2.1.2; the restarts occur in both the 2.1.2 and the 6-29 update. The kernel is listed as being: 2.6.29-d30020a8 [email protected] #1
I am not using any task killers other then autokiller (which came with the rom and allows you to set memory levels on when the phone will start various apps e.g. empty app, content provider, and hidden. I currently have it set to the optimum preset which has the following levels set: hidden app: 40, content provider: 50, empty app: 60
Being that I know believe sense is restarting in spare parts I have "home app in memory" checked but I don't think this has any real effect on the problem.

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Help JIT

I'm using damage control and I used his JIT thing cause people on here talk about it a lot and it said disable sense.. So I'm guessing that meant don't check it? Now my phone keeps re booting. How can i fix this.. I didn't nandriod back up so is there a easy way to do it by just remaining or something? Thanks
MyDroidHax said:
I'm using damage control and I used his JIT thing cause people on here talk about it a lot and it said disable sense.. So I'm guessing that meant don't check it? Now my phone keeps re booting. How can i fix this.. I didn't nandriod back up so is there a easy way to do it by just remaining or something? Thanks
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You're gonna have to go to an older nandroid. Sense and JIT just don't play well.
What you should have done is checked "Sense Apps" in the "Banned Apps" screen.
Keep in mind that any sense widget, like the HTC clock, and I think the rosie will stop working.
DevinXtreme said:
You're gonna have to go to an older nandroid. Sense and JIT just don't play well.
What you should have done is checked "Sense Apps" in the "Banned Apps" screen.
Keep in mind that any sense widget, like the HTC clock, and I think the rosie will stop working.
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Rosie= sense ui
And yes everything htc will not work, wallpapers will give you problems, htc lockscreen gives you problems and every widget connected to sense.
You will need to make sure they are banned in dconfig before you enable jit and reboot.
I know im just restating somethings but im just putting it all in one spot. Making it clear lol
DevinXtreme said:
You're gonna have to go to an older nandroid. Sense and JIT just don't play well.
What you should have done is checked "Sense Apps" in the "Banned Apps" screen.
Keep in mind that any sense widget, like the HTC clock, and I think the rosie will stop working.
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Rosie= sense ui
And yes everything htc will not work, wallpapers will give you problems, htc lockscreen gives you problems and every widget connected to sense.
You will need to make sure they are banned in dconfig before you enable jit and reboot.
I know im just restating somethings but im just putting it all in one post to make it clear. lol
MyDroidHax said:
I'm using damage control and I used his JIT thing cause people on here talk about it a lot and it said disable sense.. So I'm guessing that meant don't check it? Now my phone keeps re booting. How can i fix this.. I didn't nandriod back up so is there a easy way to do it by just remaining or something? Thanks
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you could manually pull the required files. not sure what they are, but you can manually edit the DConf file that lists banned programs, etc.
Funny you guys talking about this i just went from the new fresh rom not toast to damage because i tried to get jit to work on the most recent fresh and my phone went in a boot loop after trying to install JIT on it. It works fine for the new damage control tho... even though i manually installed it and didnt know dc config had the option for it all along otherwise this phone is runnin like a crackhead who stole my car radio.
Powers16 said:
Funny you guys talking about this i just went from the new fresh rom not toast to damage because i tried to get jit to work on the most recent fresh and my phone went in a boot loop after trying to install JIT on it. It works fine for the new damage control tho... even though i manually installed it and didnt know dc config had the option for it all along otherwise this phone is runnin like a crackhead who stole my car radio.
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I did this by accident too ... and during the force close SenseUI loop, it let me get to dconfig (after like 15 force closes) really quickly and uncheck JIT.
Don't swipe the lock screen while JIT + SenseUI enabled either, use Menu, it's more responsive.

[Query] ROM with only ANDROID without HTC software (without Sense, etc)

Is there a ROM available which does not have HTC Sense, and has only Native Clean Andriod in it..
There's no Generic Android rom atm. I'm also waiting + hoping for one.
What about Nexus One ROM? I really digg the UI
If you pay for a premium MoDaCo account, you can cook a MoDaCo rom without Sense UI
I no longer care for Sense. It's great when you have a current Android version, but it creates a big lag-time between new Android release and new HTC rom release.
I wish I had gotten the Nexus One instead.....
Sebastian768 said:
I no longer care for Sense. It's great when you have a current Android version, but it creates a big lag-time between new Android release and new HTC rom release.
I wish I had gotten the Nexus One instead.....
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I feel you mate. I had the same thought. Looking at how slow HTC were in bringing 2.1 to the Hero, I have a bad premonition that the same gonna happen to the Legend.
And I really like the UI/UX on the Nexus One. Any custom ROM that has Nexus One app launcher, photo app, etc.?
Well I've searched and there's only a few (3 that I could found) custom roms available now, all with Sense. I decided for myself to give it another 2 wks and then, if there's still no clean Android rom, I'm selling my Legend and getting Milestone. And no more HTC phones for me as they only make them with Sense now.
MichaelAlexanderBull said:
If you pay for a premium MoDaCo account, you can cook a MoDaCo rom without Sense UI
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not Full... you get a lot FCs if you cook a rom without Sense
There is a rom available on Modaco without sense.. Espresso
It works very smooth and looks great!
This is the link
Edit: No, there still is Sense.. Just with extras.
if you hate it so much,why don't you disable it...
well it isn't quite disabling but it will work fine...go to settings application management and find htc sense and click "remove defaults" or so....next time you hit the home button you will be prompted to use sense or android home...if you want to keep the android home,simply hit "make default" in the same window that pops out when you press the home button
farukb said:
if you hate it so much,why don't you disable it...
well it isn't quite disabling but it will work fine...
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Like you said it's not quite a disabling. All HTC custom apps are still there. I want default Android Calendar, Contacts, Clock, Messages applications
rubbish said:
Like you said it's not quite a disabling. All HTC custom apps are still there. I want default Android Calendar, Contacts, Clock, Messages applications
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How about you disable it, and the abd into your phone and delete HTC sense and all the sense widgets and apps?
That may work?
That may work?
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Don't think so Michael. I'm prepared to be corrected but I don't think default android apps wiill appear upon deleting HTC custom apps.
I did try to remove the HTCSenseLockScreen.apk and it did not give me the default google lockscreen... it was really strange... the lockscreen did work like the sense one where you drag it down, but no background on it and the text was messed up...
Right now i am playing with the Sense from the MyTouch and that look great...
rubbish said:
Don't think so Michael. I'm prepared to be corrected but I don't think default android apps wiill appear upon deleting HTC custom apps.
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Yeah they won't, but i would be willing to cook a rom containing the factory legend rom rooted, and with no HTC apps but stock android apps, if someone would be willing to test this method?
i am willing to test... if you want i have the system from the vodafon 2.02.178.2 build.. well it is in the 2.2 tread on modaco from some china dude.. i mean why not use the latest bug fixes also for the rom if it should be..
farukb said:
if you hate it so much,why don't you disable it...
well it isn't quite disabling but it will work fine...go to settings application management and find htc sense and click "remove defaults" or so....next time you hit the home button you will be prompted to use sense or android home...if you want to keep the android home,simply hit "make default" in the same window that pops out when you press the home button
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It's not about hating SENSE, it's about wanting the stock Android because of updates, ie. a better phone. SENSE is great, when it's paired with the latest Android. But when it's used with an older than current version, it creates lag time.
I am going to sell my Legend and get an Nexus One. It's older, but it's still betterish than anything else out there.
MichaelAlexanderBull said:
How about you disable it, and the abd into your phone and delete HTC sense and all the sense widgets and apps?
That may work?
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I did it this way, deleted allmost every HTC stuff. But if you remove a HTC-app, it will not give you the default android one. You have to get these apps from somewhere. I just thought about creating a rom without that htc stuff.
But i have to say that not every htc app is crap. Some apps are better than the android one.
Have you tried removing Rosie?
Any problems afterwards?
I have made a sense free (ish) Rom, there is still some slight differences like the black bar on top.
But it still beta, i will upload it tonight or tomorrow
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Deffo tomorrow, i am too tired to keep working

Fancy widget?

Anybody have the apk for fancy widget?
Yes, I do. I'm not at home right now, and I'm not sure when I will be home. I'm on a short vacation and the apk file is on my desktop computer at home. I found it on the internet if you want to look for it, or you can wait until I get back home (which will be Monday morning--I think).
I tried searching for it on google, but I think all of sites were forced to take it down due to HTC's C&D.
I love the look of Fancy Widget, but I'm constantly having a problem with the time not updating. The task is not being killed since it's on my task killer's ignore list. It seems to happen at random times...sometimes while the phone is in standby, other times while in use. Is there a solution for this?
TeeJay3800 said:
I love the look of Fancy Widget, but I'm constantly having a problem with the time not updating. The task is not being killed since it's on my task killer's ignore list. It seems to happen at random times...sometimes while the phone is in standby, other times while in use. Is there a solution for this?
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I am having the Eact same problem w/ Beautiful Widget Its freezes up and then fc's. I am was just about to test Fancy and see if that was better.. Im running CM5
King0fShadows said:
I am having the Eact same problem w/ Beautiful Widget Its freezes up and then fc's. I am was just about to test Fancy and see if that was better.. Im running CM5
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It's funny you say that because BW has always worked perfectly for me, and for that reason I switched back to it. That's fine with me because I just saw a skin I really like, and I e-mailed the dev to see if he could modify it slightly. He cooperated and now BW looks very very close to the Sense look (other than the weather icon being on the right rather than centered).
This is the best HTC Sense-like clock. It looks even better than Weather Widget with h7c skin, but has this strange update issue, when I have to wait sometimes for clock to update.
BTW It shows us how Market is NOT open and without control . It's better than AppStore and we can always use *.apk, but it's sad that if some app isn't good for hTC for example, they simply delete it.
It wasn't deleted, HTC asked the developer to take it down I beleive. It was taken down by their choice from what I read, and probably a good idea. It was so similar to the HTC one, I'm sure they have rights on it
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BTW It shows us how Market is NOT open and without control .
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The Market never claimed to be open or without control, its just a heck of a lot less demanding/strict than the app store... The underlying code for Android is open but anything that manufacturers or devs add to the code itself (IE: Sense UI, Motoblur etc...) along with the apps on the market, are proprietary and therefore NOT open (unless otherwise stated).
no weather info is displayed on v1.2.4
How do you check if there is no virus or malware (calling international numbers i.e.) in any of these files? Is there any other way to check this, besides blind trust?
grandmasterb66 said:
How do you check if there is no virus or malware (calling international numbers i.e.) in any of these files? Is there any other way to check this, besides blind trust?
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Should say in manifest (request privileges) if it can make phone calls -- which this app only asks for GPS & Internet access.
grandmasterb66 said:
How do you check if there is no virus or malware (calling international numbers i.e.) in any of these files? Is there any other way to check this, besides blind trust?
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Try Virustotal.
^^ Best site for scanning files for viruses, I use it all the time. Your welcome..
Can anybody confirm that this works on G1?
frankencat said:
Can anybody confirm that this works on G1?
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It's posted in the G1 forum. What makes you think it wouldn't? I personally had an issue with the time freezing constantly, but others haven't reported the same thing.
for me its working absoutely file no problem at all
Been digging online and through the forums with no luck...can somone post up the old version of Fancy Widget??
Nevermind...guess they don't allow it on here. If anyone can PM me it, that'd be awesome...

Phone being too slow

I understand there are many lag fixes, but i think my issue may be past that
My SGS is very very sluggish lately and was before
I'm constantly finding myself at 100% cpu usage (finding out from android system info app) and its making the phone so sluggish, not only is it embarrasing to hold in my hand... but makes me think about suicide (even my htc vogue wasn't this bad)
Reason i even go close to saying the htc vogue comment is, if my vogue lagged... i would press the reset button.. and quick boot back up and all would be well.. but the SGS once after i remove battery and put it back in, it still has very sluggish boot time and isn't as smooth as before
I AM on the latest firmware btw... this is the info i grabbed from Android System Info
The process is android.process.acore (using 100%) which comes from package org.adw.launcher
The EXACT same thing happened with Launcher Pro which is why i tried adw launcher... i thought it might've been launcher pro to begin with, which is why i did the switch.. but now im having same problem
First launcher pro, now adw
I'm guessing the problem is something else..
-- is this lag the one everyone seems to be having? Hence the "lagfixes?"
I applied Ryans lag fix via apk and no difference at all
Is there a way i can dump log / info / apps so maybe we can trace this down?
I LOVE the phone and constantly show off its abilities, but lately its been doing this and making me look like a jackass haha
Appreciate the help!
What's is your quadrant result? But the 100% cpu is abnormal, you need to solve that first.
Did you get that when if you use the touchwiz launcher?
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
touchwiz is smaller.. but I'm currently waiting for it to get to that point of lag again (probably in another hour or two) and i'll manually kill adw and launch touchwiz to see how it works
I just ran quadrant with 1808 and i got error while it was showing my result saying internal error during benchmark execution with a close button
I did it again.. got 2198 but same error
... Before i used to get 2200 and before lagfix it was 880
I'll wait for the 100% lag (i just rebooted) and try again and update
Which firmware are you running?
Sounds like you need to do a reflash and format. Try giving jm1 rev.3 a shot as that is by far the best fw to date.
The latest stable firmware on kies, or from here?
From Kies... JH2
I'm on Bell btw, got the GT-I9000M
Toss3: I guess if there aren't any ideas, i'll do a full backup with titanium... and try reflash/format and see how that works... if not its either phone hardware wise or some app that i have
Sounds like a homescreen widget that is doing a ton of processing and pushing your CPU up to 100%. It believe would show up under the launcher, cause widgets run on the homescreen.
that is also one of my theories.. just dont know the easiest way to figure out what it is..
only way i can think is to delete all and slowly add one by one
Torob said:
that is also one of my theories.. just dont know the easiest way to figure out what it is..
only way i can think is to delete all and slowly add one by one
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Could just be a bad phone? How long have you had it for? Can you get it replaced?
i got it i think day or two after launch
Torob said:
that is also one of my theories.. just dont know the easiest way to figure out what it is..
only way i can think is to delete all and slowly add one by one
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You don't need to delete all, you can't have too many widgets that could potentially be burning that much CPU, although if you do that'd be my place to start .
Think about it logically... Widgets that need to poll data (facebook/twitter/RSS) and widgets that use a lot of RAM (anything pretty/animated). My inclination is that you have something set to poll very frequently (1min) that is also trying to pull a lot of data at a time so that its not finishing one full pull before it starts the next one.
If that still doesn't do the trick do a backup and reflash (even to the same FW version is fine) and set it up with the absolute bare minimum of widget and homescreens. See if the problem remains with NOTHING, which it shouldn't, then refill over the course of a few days.
Alternatively, you could just try autokiller on agressive. Your problem is obviously coming from an errant process that you aren't knowingly using. Don't see why autokiller won't keep it stomped down.
i dont have any widget with a low update frequency
i have facebook.. vlingo button.. beautiful home and weather... pure calendar.. stock youtube. . google search. batterylife and a brightness toggle
the rest are just contact or app shortcuts
ive tried killing widget processes as well but that hasnt done much help
today ill experiment a bit more though
The phone is really testing my patience though, constantly having full UI lock ups

The .32 kernel is less stable than .29?

I don't know if anybody else is having the same problems. I had the 1.3ghz kernel with cm7 on my nook for a long time, and it was super stable. It never freezed on me or anything. But now, with the new .32 kernel that we have to use for the newest nightlies, my nook is freezing up all the time. Does anyone know when Dal is gonna update his kernel?
I agree. I get periodic freezes with .32. Hoping for an update because otherwise it works very well. Much improved power management and battery life from .29.
I just went from 7.0.2, to nightly eighty-seven. Using the 1.2GHz 5/23 OC kernel. I did not wipe data/system, only formatted cache/Delvik-cache.
I'm seeing a SIGNIFICANT increase in system performance, screen and window transitions mainly, also App launches seem slightly faster. Which surprises me because I run alot of memory/processor heavy widgets with my system settings tailored for quality. I would venture saying an almost two-fold increase in reaction time and general snappyness. I'm also no longer getting startup FC'S on boot, and just better general app stability
Before, I was unable to get the 1.2GHz OC working with the 2.6.29 kernel. The nook would either crash on startup or shortly after. Not a single crash since making the upgrade to 2.6.32 and the corresponding OS upgrade. I'm sure this speed increase is playing its fair share in my performance observations.
One of us might be experiencing an atypical situation. it's hard to say, especially with being in the middle of an 'official' kernel upgrade and rollout.
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.32 kernel works here rock solid - no freezes.
I tend to get lock ups when waking up my device, then it tells me ADWLauncher isn't responding and have to wait a while before it comes back to life. Only started happening after moving to the .32 kernel and nightly #87.
Yeah It seems like its a hit and miss for some people. Something weird is definitely going on here. Mine freezes A LOT and often in the first 30 seconds of start-up, which leaves me having to turn the Nook Color on and off many times before getting it to finally work. I never had this problem with the .29 overclock kernel before. When we had the 925mhz OC included in the older nightlies, mine would always freeze. When we had the 1.3ghz .29 kernel, mine was rock solid. Now with the .32 kernel at 1.2ghz, it freeezes. Its an endless cycle lol.
I had significant and frequent system freezes that I finally narrowed down to a widget. Try removing Widgets to see if that helps. If you find the culprit, uninstall then reinstall.
lyam23 said:
I had significant and frequent system freezes that I finally narrowed down to a widget. Try removing Widgets to see if that helps. If you find the culprit, uninstall then reinstall.
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This is my next aspect on tracking down SOD; apps.... Good idea though, one easy way to do this is install a secondary launcher and use it for a while with no widgets, especially if you're like me and have like a dozen widgets. Otherwise yeah just remove 'em and see what happens.
Widgets for no day though? Gah
khaytsus said:
This is my next aspect on tracking down SOD; apps.... Good idea though, one easy way to do this is install a secondary launcher and use it for a while with no widgets, especially if you're like me and have like a dozen widgets. Otherwise yeah just remove 'em and see what happens.
Widgets for no day though? Gah
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Exactly what I did, in fact. Moved to ADW for a while with no Widgets. At first I suspected the launcher then realized it was a widget when I later added the widget and immediately experienced a freeze.
lyam23 said:
Exactly what I did, in fact. Moved to ADW for a while with no Widgets. At first I suspected the launcher then realized it was a widget when I later added the widget and immediately experienced a freeze.
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Which widget? I am pondering creating another form for folks to fill out, this time based on the Widgets I have.. but that'll be difficult to track down really..
Beautiful Widgets: Beautiful Home Weather.
Other BW widgets seem to work ok, though I've not tested them all.
lyam23 said:
Beautiful Widgets: Beautiful Home Weather.
Other BW widgets seem to work ok, though I've not tested them all.
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k, yeah, don't use BW.. I use.... a bunch of others though.
I tried getting rid of all of my widgets... No dice though. Didn't make any difference for me, still pretty unstable. I'm really hoping for an update soon... I'm worried though cuz I think Dal said a while ago that he wasn't gonna work on it for a while cuz its pretty much finished lol
Bad Theme
speaking of widgets, last week after a reboot because of SOD my nook had a bad case of FCs with ADW trying to load my widgets. after trying lots of different things I finally got it back up and running. after trial and error I figured out it was the theme that I was using in fancy widgets pro. I uninstall and re-download it and all is well again. so be careful, its not just the widget. make sure to also check the theme.
Yeah I thought it might be that also, so I changed to the default theme and used the default cm7 wallpaper. Still no luck. I'm pretty confident this issue has something to do with the kernel

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