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Anyone noticing the Browser on our beloved Nexus one is very choppy and laggy on some sites even though we have a 1GHz snapdragon! i know its not a humming bird but i would expect it to catch up...because when the nexus one first came out and i got it...it was BLAZING FAST! but now its all choppy and laggy.... anyone noticing that too??
there could be a couple of things involved with this, you could have more things running the background using cpu then previously, or you could just be going to some poorly coded websites. Also, if you havent been to a website in a while its cache may be different.
Blueman101 said:
there could be a couple of things involved with this, you could have more things running the background using cpu then previously, or you could just be going to some poorly coded websites. Also, if you havent been to a website in a while its cache may be different.
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hmm, ya you might be right if only Google Made GPU acceleration on the browser that would be awesome!
Mine is still blazing fast, but I don't have a lot running in the back ground & I clear it's cache often.
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Mine is still blazing fast, but I don't have a lot running in the back ground & I clear it's cache often.
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Hopefully Gingerbread will bring a new Web browser UI and other features.. i just decided im going to buy a Galaxy S but i will still use the N1 as a business/exchange phone but the galaxy S as my multimedia phone..
It does seem choppy compared to the stupid iPhone, but its an appropriate comparison because its the ultimate competition. And android blinks when scrolling. If you look at certain things you can see the colors blinking or something if u scroll slow u can see it more clearly regular scrolling it makes it look choppy. It seems like iPhone loads a page or a map and u are scrolling thhat one image but with android its like its trying to load each movement so browser seems jumpy and a lot of apps are the same way. Google maps is the worst. Its the coolest app on any mobile platform but its awful to scroll and zoom on android relative to the maps on iPhone. If gingerbread makes it on the same level then android wins hands down. Right now android has more features but iPhone is way easier to use its more smooth and polished. Like everything was developed and then actually used to decide what needs improvement.
Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
jakeneal22 said:
Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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delete all your apps, turn off all services, and it will run just like the iphone. kill every app after you use it. - that's what the iphone does.
You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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This has been useless since Froyo. As I once researched and posted, Froyo kills the processes much earlier than Eclair (OOM=12 instead of 16) and considering the amount of memory on Nexus - you never get anywhere below 100MB free unless you run a super-heavy app, and those never stay in background.
Now these tweaks don't do a thing.
does power mean smoothness? I just don't get the concept of having a fast processor and not being smooth. I mean it is almost the same speed as my netbook... on a phone. It seems like that should be smooth. Maybe I'm asking for to much. But another thing I have seen videos of people on cyanogen and it is running smoothly with a live wallpaper. I have never got cyanogen to run smoothly for me even with a still wallpaper. Is there some magical setting everyone but me knows about?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
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Power = ability to do things. Not CPU power, OS power.
Smoothness = frame rate of transitions between screens in UI. By most part, it's a result of heavy GPU utilization (which Android doesn't do stock) and programming that puts graphics as top priority (which isn't the case with Android). When CPU is made busy making beautiful graphics, it makes beautiful graphics. When it's not the main concern - it makes what it makes.
Again, you seem to be complaining about the launcher - otherwise you wouldn't bring this live wallpaper thing. So go download LauncherPro.
Folks go on about miui being smooth but personally I found it quite choppy at times, and this was most evident using the miui default launcher and comparing to say an iPhone 4, it looks very stuttery. Its better with launcherpro, but then you've lost half the reason for using it.
I am using cm6 and a theme (minimal matte fwiw ) and its very smooth and nice looking (and believe me I am very sensitive to, and loathe slow performance on a latest Gen phone).
Best compromise I've found yet on android.
I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
Have you messed with the performance settings? I hear that switching the performance setting to 24 instead of 34 helps. I'm not on cyanogen right now so I don't remember the exact setting but it is cyan settings then performance.
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I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
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Truth of the matter is, is that Android running as SMOOTH as an iPhone would be difficult, simply because the IOS operating system doesnt allow any applications to run in the background. Android has TONS of apps that run in the background, and its still smooth as hell if your running the right ROM.
In all honestly, as much as I LOVE enomther and cyan ROMS, MIUI is hands down the smoothest and fastest ROM I have ever used. Give it a shot. I promise that if you can get past the iPhonish look, you will LOVE the speed and fluidness of the ROM. I cant recommend it enough.
I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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Lol. Why? Because it's iPhone-like? That's a pretty bad reason to not use a great rom...
Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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Original with launcher pro and language pack
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Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
Forge94 said:
The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
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Yup, most of the smoothness complaints is just hardware acceleration complaints. After gingerbread if it has hardware acceleration, we won't hear the laggy UI issue, we'll just hear the bandwagon "Fragmentation!"
I've finally got a smooth handset. I'm on latest cyanogen with intersect raven kernel overclocked to 1333. I'm very impressed and I'm finally enjoying this phone. Btw I'm using launcher pro to
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I wonder why my sgs ui can never be smoother than my iphone 4 ui? A any one know how to make it faster
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japonesque said:
I wonder why my sgs ui can never be smoother than my iphone 4 ui? A any one know how to make it faster
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Zeam launcher + Universal Lagfix + tweaks + disable all animations = smooth as buttah
I own both as well. You can flash a custom ROM to the device with lots of the useless junk removed, and install a lag fix. Start with the FAQs on this site if you haven't already.
I must say though, I have never been so torn between two devices. I love the iPhone 4s stability and application quality. On the other hand, the SGS satisfies my primal need to mod and hack things. I also prefer the weight of the sgs. iPhone is a bit too heavy and fragile for my liking.
just install a custom ROM for your corresponding firmware and voodoo lagfix. done.
smooth and fast.
no need for taskkillers either.
The only thing that is (still) better on the iThing is the browser.
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It its smooth because iOS implements hardware acceleration. It uses the graphics chip to render the animations, which makes everything seamless and smooth. This is easy because iOS is designed completely around around the iPhone. Android was designed for use in hundreds of devices with different hardware, so it does not use hardware acceleration (yet).
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richan90 said:
It its smooth because iOS implements hardware acceleration. It uses the graphics chip to render the animations, which makes everything seamless and smooth. This is easy because iOS is designed completely around around the iPhone. Android was designed for use in hundreds of devices with different hardware, so it does not use hardware acceleration (yet).
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Well that is not the case completely. TouchWiz was indeed optimized for our graphics chip, however, without a lagfix, the access to the data is too slow and in froyo, the touchwiz launcher is too directly ported from the galaxy tab which causes our device to first render everything in 1024x600 and then scale down to 800x480 which costs a lot more resources than just rendering 800x480 or 960x640 (as on the iPhone). With the right mods, all this is corrected and you will find your SGS just as smooth as an iPhone 4. However all this requires a lot of reading and a significant amount of patience...
But It's definitely worth the reward.
Or we could wait for a:
-stable
-responsive-
-good battery life
-high performance (in addition to responsive)
-with all functions working
-with the original applications (Google and Samsung Apps)
-with the haptics
-long key press actions (menu/search, home/running apps, back/forceclose)
-sudo/root available
-apps2sd
-fully consistent user interface (with landscape mode)
build of the MIUI ROM
*drools...
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Or we could wait for a:
-stable
-responsive-
-good battery life
-high performance (in addition to responsive)
-with all functions working
-with the original applications (Google and Samsung Apps)
-with the haptics
-long key press actions (menu/search, home/running apps, back/forceclose)
-sudo/root available
-apps2sd
-fully consistent user interface (with landscape mode)
build of the MIUI ROM
*drools...
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Or we all could start mass complaint/class action against Samsung
This phone has been heavily advitised but does not work out of the box.
I received 1 offical update via Kies just after launch, phone went from totaly useless to usable to a degree. I updated to Froyo via reg hack and phone is better but still lags. GPS is still out. Battery life is still crap. Browsing crap, WiFi crap. Both were good on Eclair
Thats funny. Is there any device where someone hasnt brought up class action? Its like suing dodge cause they advertsed the 69 charger had big engine..but suspension and drag stunk... You could wait for the test drive results and dont buy one...unless you just think you have a right to have samsung make something better. i like mine. I also like finding improvements..sure.
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Well that is not the case completely. TouchWiz was indeed optimized for our graphics chip, however, without a lagfix, the access to the data is too slow and in froyo, the touchwiz launcher is too directly ported from the galaxy tab which causes our device to first render everything in 1024x600 and then scale down to 800x480 which costs a lot more resources than just rendering 800x480 or 960x640 (as on the iPhone). With the right mods, all this is corrected and you will find your SGS just as smooth as an iPhone 4. However all this requires a lot of reading and a significant amount of patience...
But It's definitely worth the reward.
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I was going to question this and ask whether you were joking, but then I remembered this is Samsung, so it's probably true...
It's pretty tragic if that is what they're doing.
I think this is the same rant I see in all the posts about sgs, no point repeating in all the posts.
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I am using launcher pro and so far, super satisfied with it. I am on stock JP6 Froyo and no Voodoo but still smooth as butter. I am amazed, I didn't turn off any effects.
Side by side to an iPhone 4, no problem beating the smooth game although iPhone seems more consistent. At some point though, launching apps or swiping from left to right seems faster on the SGS. No kidding.
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I was going to question this and ask whether you were joking, but then I remembered this is Samsung, so it's probably true...
It's pretty tragic if that is what they're doing.
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Check this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=817466
oohh... I see... so which custom firmware with froyo do you guys recommend for me as Im using a singapore singtel handset... Thank you
oh btw will I be able to do the flashing using linux? or it had to be windows? thanks
The possibilty of Android 2.2 speed improvements made us Vibrant owners salivate in anticipation for the JIT compiler but didnt see a significant increase in performance like it did with the nexus one. One thing that could eliminate lag in addition to lag fixes is optimization of JIT for our CPU hardware. We would like a proactive effort for developer to investigate for the above avg user. (Non-Developers) JIT Optimization = Higher Linpack MFLOPS
I think we're getting it in gingerbread =p
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Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
Jerzeeloon said:
Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
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i love this guy.
well said.
Jerzeeloon said:
Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
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yes, basing everything off benchmarks is dumb. however, you can't ignore the fact that optimizing JIT for the hummingbird will net real world performance improvements.
funeralthirst said:
yes, basing everything off benchmarks is dumb. however, you can't ignore the fact that optimizing JIT for the hummingbird will net real world performance improvements.
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thank you.....and plus i kno about the myth of high linpacks = better performance. i said "JIT optimization = High linpacks". High Linpack is a side affect of the performance increase. The nexus One performance has jumped exponentially from 2.1 to 2.2 because of the JIT optimization of the Snapdragon in theory, it should do the same for the vibrant as well. Everybody's phone reacts to sofware differently. think im lying, ask the ppl who had vibrants that couldnt OC like the rest like myself or ppl who cant have Voodoo. Trust me lil boy i aint nowhere a noob. Please take ur trollism to some1 else who dont kno wtf theyre talkin about. Actually G2 is the fastest phone on the Market FYI despite being clocked at @806MHz w/o root. If i really wanted to get another phone, i wouldnt be posting stuff like this or being an active poster in a Vibrant forum right? Right????? Checkmate....
1 last thing...f##k yo couch
This has been discussed before, certain Qualcomm chips are better optimizer for arithmetic calculations than the Hummingbird it. It means nothing in real world usage, where the Galaxy S variants still dominate (with a "lag" fix, of course)
Still, despite obvious advantages of Qualcom's CPU, the Hummingbird still can benefit from software optimizations of JIT to efficiently interface the hardware. Performance may not jump like it did w/ the N1, but it would help. Just like a car w/ 600 HP. A car w/ that amount of power is just useless unless it efficiently gets ALL that power to the tires right? same concept applies.
We are not getting it in gingerbread. The snapdragon have faster FPU performance due to a 128 bit SIMD FPU datapath compared to Cortex-A8's 64 bit implementation. Both FPUs process the same SIMD-style instructions, the snapdragon just happens to be able to do twice as much.
http://www.insidedsp.com/Articles/t...ualcomm-Reveals-Details-on-Scorpion-Core.aspx
shep211 said:
We are not getting it in gingerbread. The snapdragon have faster FPU performance due to a 128 bit SIMD FPU datapath compared to Cortex-A8's 64 bit implementation. Both FPUs process the same SIMD-style instructions, the snapdragon just happens to be able to do twice as much.
http://www.insidedsp.com/Articles/t...ualcomm-Reveals-Details-on-Scorpion-Core.aspx
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Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
Jerzeeloon said:
Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
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Couldn't disagree more. I've also used just about every Tmobile compatible android smartphone. I currently have a Vibrant and I wish I would have kept my N1. And I almost pulled the trigger on trading in this POS for a G2 but the financial loss was just too great. I've yet to try any Bionix based MOD that was worth a damn. Not a one. Admittedly I've quit trying but I can't imagine much has changed.
The only thing keeping me from throwing this phone in the ocean some days is Cyanogen's team is getting close. I'm running the beta on a Euro SGS I have. Hate it as much as the Vibrant but I'm hopeful CM can save this phone from a sledgehammer.
You may be tired of hearing it but from my seat, as long as Samsung controls anything on these phones you will continue to hear it. Loudly.
boimarc89 said:
Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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Please, stop embarrassing yourself. The Nexus One is and was a great phone, but the Vibrant is better in almost every way. Better hardware, bigger screen, better screen, faster, and more units sold.
boimarc89 said:
Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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Wonderful analogy. I however do not love my Vibrant. I love the hardware and screen but because Samsung pulls the strings, usually I want to drop kick the thing because of it's limitations, instability and overall suck of the Samsung ROM. And yes, pretty much all the mods to it on here. Though Axura is about the closest thing my phone actually likes.
What makes you even think the Galaxy S line is even going to see Gingerbread? This is Samsung we are talking about...
boimarc89 said:
Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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Htc fell off and google knows it,thats why the new nexus is made by samsung,htc may have pioneered android but there sound always sucked and right now samsung kinda controls the display game,nobody else can produce super amoled and there abou to release super amoled 2,admitidly samsung has a bad rep for not supporting current models(i.e. The whole behold 2 debacle.) And words can't describe how much I hate motorola,htc is still good but I wouldnt call them the android kings,I feel samsung has alot of potential to become the flagship brand for google.
pigs3littleones said:
Couldn't disagree more. I've also used just about every Tmobile compatible android smartphone. I currently have a Vibrant and I wish I would have kept my N1. And I almost pulled the trigger on trading in this POS for a G2 but the financial loss was just too great. I've yet to try any Bionix based MOD that was worth a damn. Not a one. Admittedly I've quit trying but I can't imagine much has changed.
The only thing keeping me from throwing this phone in the ocean some days is Cyanogen's team is getting close. I'm running the beta on a Euro SGS I have. Hate it as much as the Vibrant but I'm hopeful CM can save this phone from a sledgehammer.
You may be tired of hearing it but from my seat, as long as Samsung controls anything on these phones you will continue to hear it. Loudly.
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Oh Ye of little faith.......... Get real I have had almost every phone on the market (I can afford to buy what I want when I want) and after so many this has come closet to what I've been looking for especially since the 2.2 roms are out. My Biggest complaint about people knocking the phone is they always blame the phone for their poor flashing skills. This phone rocks and it is flexible enough to allow gingerbread whenever it arrives. Try that with a DroidX or HD7......(you fill in the name)....BTW I have a FFC and talk over 3g on it using tango without lag. I just need to make it so I can video a call to a computer and I am golden.
Bottomline..........this is a great phone........that is why there are so many devs playing with it.
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thank you.....and plus i kno about the myth of high linpacks = better performance. i said "JIT optimization = High linpacks". High Linpack is a side affect of the performance increase. The nexus One performance has jumped exponentially from 2.1 to 2.2 because of the JIT optimization of the Snapdragon in theory, it should do the same for the vibrant as well. Everybody's phone reacts to sofware differently. think im lying, ask the ppl who had vibrants that couldnt OC like the rest like myself or ppl who cant have Voodoo. Trust me lil boy i aint nowhere a noob. Please take ur trollism to some1 else who dont kno wtf theyre talkin about. Actually G2 is the fastest phone on the Market FYI despite being clocked at @806MHz w/o root. If i really wanted to get another phone, i wouldnt be posting stuff like this or being an active poster in a Vibrant forum right? Right????? Checkmate....
1 last thing...f##k yo couch
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You, my friend, are not very smart. This thread needs to be closed or moved to general. Just as you would make an idiot of yourself trying to argue relativistic quantum mechanics with physicists, you are doing now.
This thread got interesting. As has already been said the Snapdragon benefits from JIT more because of its 128bit SIMD. While I am sure there is probably some room left to optimize JIT for the Hummingbird I wouldn't expect anything near the gain the N1 saw. I guess it is good or bad depending on how you look at it but the latest 2.2 ROMs floating around is as good as it gets regarding 2.2 and JIT. Don't expect much if any gain there.
But lets face it in the real world the phones perform about the same which leaves me to believe the benchmarks are that much more meaningless because they usually don't test things you actually use the phone for. Some of them would have you belive the N1 is twice as fast as the SGS and anyone with a grasp on reality just knows that isn't true. This also makes me curious when I read about people saying their phones are slow. It makes me wonder what they have done to them to slow them down because even on the stock ROM my phone was pretty snappy. And on Onyx 4.2 my phone is blazing fast with no lag fix or OC! Seriously this ROM is crazy smooth and fast and everything works.
Don't expect much from CM that you can't already get in the 2.2 ROMs floating around here. CM will still be RFS and they are using the same lag fix as everyone else here and really there isn't much of an advantage to their ROM as long as that is the case. Sure they will have features that you won't see in other ROMs here but overall I expect the CM ROMs will perform about the same as the SGS source based ROMs.
As I have already said I think this phone is fast but if there is any real speed gain to be had it will be accomplished by replacing RFS with something more efficient.
pigs3littleones said:
Couldn't disagree more. I've also used just about every Tmobile compatible android smartphone. I currently have a Vibrant and I wish I would have kept my N1. And I almost pulled the trigger on trading in this POS for a G2 but the financial loss was just too great. I've yet to try any Bionix based MOD that was worth a damn. Not a one. Admittedly I've quit trying but I can't imagine much has changed.
The only thing keeping me from throwing this phone in the ocean some days is Cyanogen's team is getting close. I'm running the beta on a Euro SGS I have. Hate it as much as the Vibrant but I'm hopeful CM can save this phone from a sledgehammer.
You may be tired of hearing it but from my seat, as long as Samsung controls anything on these phones you will continue to hear it. Loudly.
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From what I understand cm for the vibrant still has a lot of proprietary samsung stuff in it, because otherwise it just wouldn't work.
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boimarc89 said:
Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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...did you just say Honda is the king of making cars?
Hello!I was an owner of a galaxy s phone and thinking of trading my desire Z, for a galaxy s again in case a few of the issues the phone had, are fixed by now..
so here i go :
1) does the new voodoo sharpness fix really make a difference?i used to hate how text looked like when zoomed back when i had sgs..the colour fix seems to be great from the photos i have seen..But does the sharpness hack actually make up for the unused subpixels?
2) has there been any fixes on the GPS scene?With my curent phone i can get gps lock in 5 seconds inside the house..i am not asking for something as insane, but is it possible to get fixes now?
3)have lag fixes evolved the last 3 months?I remember using xda lag fix but the phone still was unresponsive at times..
4)Any cm7 ports for sgs yet?
chris2busy said:
Hello!I was an owner of a galaxy s phone and thinking of trading my desire Z, for a galaxy s again in case a few of the issues the phone had, are fixed by now..
so here i go :
1) does the new voodoo sharpness fix really make a difference?i used to hate how text looked like when zoomed back when i had sgs..the colour fix seems to be great from the photos i have seen..But does the sharpness hack actually make up for the unused subpixels?
2) has there been any fixes on the GPS scene?With my curent phone i can get gps lock in 5 seconds inside the house..i am not asking for something as insane, but is it possible to get fixes now?
3)have lag fixes evolved the last 3 months?I remember using xda lag fix but the phone still was unresponsive at times..
4)Any cm7 ports for sgs yet?
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1. Personally, I don't notice that much of a difference with Voodoo sharpness. You really can't fix it. All PenTile matrix displays look like this.
2. GPS seems to be a hit and miss. I can get a lock in 10 seconds on average.
3. Lag does not exist anymore. Samsung stepped up the rfs with froyo builds, and either voodoo or ultimate lagfix is incorporated in almost every rom and kernel now.
4. CM7 is making great progress. There are still a few issues that need to be resolved, but you can go build it and try it out for yourself right now.
magicman0 said:
1. Personally, I don't notice that much of a difference with Voodoo sharpness. You really can't fix it. All PenTile matrix displays look like this.
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I will rethink about it then..Even when i held my sgs next to my old slcd desire the different was worlds appart..i will still like to hear more opinions please..
Using hardcores kernel seems to make this thing fly, so lag is no longer an issue IMHO.
My gps locks within 10 seconds inside and faster outside, this is using one of the recent modems.
I never had an issue with the sharpness of the display so I can't comment on that front.
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has there been any fixes on the GPS scene?With my curent phone i can get gps lock in 5 seconds inside the house..i am not asking for something as insane, but is it possible to get fixes now?
Likewise on my SGS
3)have lag fixes evolved the last 3 months?I remember using xda lag fix but the phone still was unresponsive at times..
No lag on latest firmware .
jje
With gingerbread gps has been sorted out. But its only in beta wait till that's released and move back.
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More comments on the voodoo sharpness fix please
Thank you all so much for answering
chris2busy said:
More comments on the voodoo sharpness fix please
Thank you all so much for answering
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iammodo said:
With gingerbread gps has been sorted out. But its only in beta wait till that's released and move back.
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Does this really fix the gps problem? I was playing around with the thought to send the phone back to repair.. So is the fix AND the accuracy fixed in gingerbread? So no more 30m offset sometimes and waiting for a fix for minutes?
chris2busy said:
More comments on the voodoo sharpness fix please
Thank you all so much for answering
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The problem isn't really with the software, its hardware oriented, so Voodoo sharpness can't really do anything about the "spotty" appearance of the display. This post helps to show the difference between the PenTile matrix used in our phones and a conventional RGB layout.
magicman0 said:
The problem isn't really with the software, its hardware oriented, so Voodoo sharpness can't really do anything about the "spotty" appearance of the display. This post helps to show the difference between the PenTile matrix used in our phones and a conventional RGB layout.
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Yea..i know all about it..silly RGBR system...but if the voodoo hack is in reality as effective as it appears in the photos here
http://project-voodoo.org/color
and you guys could confirm this, i am going to trade in for an sgs within the week
chris2busy said:
but if the voodoo hack is in reality as effective as it appears in the photos here
http://project-voodoo.org/color
and you guys could confirm this, i am going to trade in for an sgs within the week
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Its nowhere near as effective in real life as it is in those pictures. And you have to remember that the photos are simluated. Its likely that a regular screenshot was taken and over sharpened in an image editor like photoshop.
My eyes are very sharp, so thats why I hate reading text on this display(but not a deal breaker, I still love my phone). Other people I know don't see the ""spottiness" at all. In my opinion, if you can see the spottiness because you have good/average eyes, Voodoo sharpness won't really change much for you.
I wouldnt trade super amoled for anything else (except maybe super amoled +). Sure, pentile isn't super sharp but its a small price to pay for superb contrast and great colours. Trade it and try hardcores kernel with sharpness + color fix.
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