Will we see a lag fix on our phone like the Samsung Galaxy S has?
Birdman was supose to be working on one but haven't heard anything in a really long time about it
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What lag? Only lag I have is on the lock screen
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I wouldnt call what they did to the galaxy s a "fix".
its a quadrant trick. thats it.
Its a lag fix that also effects quadrant but don't be mistaken, it does have an effect on the UI, as well.
Last I heard birdman was working on it
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Someone mind filling me in or linking me to what you're talking about? I have no lag on my X and I didn't hear anything about the S having any.
No lag here. Smooth as butter.
I have lag issues with pulling up contacts from the address book. Sometimes it can be up to 30 seconds where no info is displayed about the contact I clicked.
Sheen160 said:
Someone mind filling me in or linking me to what you're talking about? I have no lag on my X and I didn't hear anything about the S having any.
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Here is the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760267
Does anyone know if the Vibrant fix also works on the X by any chance?
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Does anyone know if the Vibrant fix also works on the X by any chance?
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I would have to say no as it modifies system files
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moto actually used the samsung galaxy S lag fix (noatime nodiratime) in the 2.2 dx leak...hahaha
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According to Birdman it's already there
If that were really the case, then why havn't the x's quadrant scores gone higher than 1500 with the update? Cuz on my vibrant I went from 800 to 2500 after the one click lag fix.bat ran
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Because we don't have a lag fix... There isn't lag. The Galaxy S gets huge scores the same way the X does. And the Hummingbird processor is the best one out there right now. Do the stagefright true mod and your X will hit 1800-2200 in Quadrant. It's only a number. I've personally hit 2050 but I don't much care about it. It runs just the same at 1400 because Quadrant bases a huge portion of that score on HD video decoding not actual processing speed. And I have many widgets and programs running to top it off.
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If that were really the case, then why havn't the x's quadrant scores gone higher than 1500 with the update? Cuz on my vibrant I went from 800 to 2500 after the one click lag fix.bat ran
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Stagefright is disabled in this build of Froyo for the Droid X. Thats why the scores are ~1300-1400. Stage fright is ENABLED by DEFAULT in Froyo so enabling it is actually making the device stock.
You are all missing the concept of the "lag fix" the Samsung Galaxy uses. All the lag fix is doing is creating a virtual file system due to the Samsung Galaxy using their proprietary RFS file system, which is good on flash memory and flash memory alone. The data directory they have is actually located on the Internal Memory (Integrated SD Card) Which is NOT true flash memory (NAND) and therefor lags due to using RFS instead of a superior (sector based) ext2 3 or 4.
The DroidX does NOT have this problem, we do not use RFS, and do not have the poor data partitioning scheme the Galaxy has, therefor this fix would do nothing for the Droid X, moreover it is not needed. The only benefit you would see is a higher Quadrant score because ext3 and 4 contain journaling which utilizes RAM as a cache, tricking quadrant into thinking you are writing and reading database entries in an unheard of amount of time... So if you want fake results, then port the fix. Just keep in mind we don't need it.
EDIT: I posted before I got to root and inspect the file system fully for the Droid X. The only idiotic thing I can see is Motorola chose to use ext3 as their system partition. Perhaps they had good reason, however /system is found on NAND, and NAND should have a filesystem designed for it, the benefits are significantly greater... A yaffs2 file system is what should have been used for /system as it is with many other phones, I'm not sure why manufacturers (Samsung.. Motorola) are starting to move away from using yaffs2, however at least Samsung created a file system meant for flash, and didn't just throw a sector based FS over NAND...
In all honesty...who cares about quadrant scores? I know I don't. If my phone runs smooth, snappy, and there are no delays when doing daily (non-intensive) processes, what does a quadrant score do for me? Nothing! It's just a pseudo-statistic used to brag about the speed of your phone. When in reality, I guarantee my X on 2.2 leaked update getting 1500 quadrant scores runs just as smooth as a galaxy getting 2300. I'm just kinda sick of everyone complaining about quadrant numbers. If the phone is fast when using it...then it's fast. simple.
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Anything better than JPC froyo?
Sliced Bread?
No. Its the best IMO and I've tried 3 2.2 firmwares. With any luck Samsung will release the official one this month.
I hope so.
Jm7 is way better
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my question is how come on the current froyo roms the linpack scores don't jump much... on the desire and nexus get somewhere in the region of 40 mflops...
Is it just cause they haven't properly optimised jit on the SGS yet?
Toast?
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Sorry the HK 2.2 is by far better than JPC...
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my question is how come on the current froyo roms the linpack scores don't jump much... on the desire and nexus get somewhere in the region of 40 mflops...
Is it just cause they haven't properly optimised jit on the SGS yet?
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In another thread i pointed out the same thing as you are, because i read somewhere else that HTC had to do very little job to optimize JIT for Snapdragon, having google done that with AOSP.
They replied to me saying that first Froyo FWs for Desire and N1 reached ~ the same jump from Eclair Build: 8 to 14 Mflops. Only later, with progressively better setup, they reached the 40 Mflops zone.
It could also be that JIT, the feature that most of all power up Linpack benchmark, is completely disabled in Froyo builds like JPC. I asked how we could check this, but no-one answered properly to that until now.
I've just upgraded from JM2 to JPC and for sure JM2 is better. JPC has poor responce on finger gestures and is sometimes slow. I hope these problems are solved in the final release. I'm downgrading today!
clubtech said:
Sorry the HK 2.2 is by far better than JPC...
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Care to elaborate and cite the differences?
Stefanauss said:
In another thread i pointed out the same thing as you are, because i read somewhere else that HTC had to do very little job to optimize JIT for Snapdragon, having google done that with AOSP.
They replied to me saying that first Froyo FWs for Desire and N1 reached ~ the same jump from Eclair Build: 8 to 14 Mflops. Only later, with progressively better setup, they reached the 40 Mflops zone.
It could also be that JIT, the feature that most of all power up Linpack benchmark, is completely disabled in Froyo builds like JPC. I asked how we could check this, but no-one answered properly to that until now.
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Oh right.. I assumed JIT was enabled but poorly implemented. 14 Mflops without JIT it pretty good! can't wait to see what happens.. Can't wait for a better leak or a proper release..
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Oh right.. I assumed JIT was enabled but poorly implemented. 14 Mflops without JIT it pretty good! can't wait to see what happens.. Can't wait for a better leak or a proper release..
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JIT is enabled in JPC. We might see a 20 in the final release if we're lucky, but definitely nothing more than that. The Snapdragon phones apparently have a dedicated FPU which enable them to reach such ridiculous scores. Droid X, Droid 2 and all other 1GHz non-snapdragon phones get sub 20 linpack scores on Froyo.
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JIT is enabled in JPC.
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How do you know that for sure?
It's a proper question, it's not that i don't believe you.
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How do you know that for sure?
It's a proper question, it's not that i don't believe you.
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I didn't think it was.
EarlZ said:
Care to elaborate and cite the differences?
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- Does not mess with you efs folder. That alone makes the HK version a winner.
- Excellent GPS reception and lock.
- Excellent battery life
- No lag
- I only had ONE FC with the HK JP2, unlike JPC.
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How do you know that for sure?
It's a proper question, it's not that i don't believe you.
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There are messages about it in the log e.g.
I/dalvikvm(18078): Jit: resizing JitTable from 8192 to 16384
D/dalvikvm( 2477): JIT code cache reset in 5 ms (1048428 bytes 19/0)
we'd need samsung to optimize the jit for their hummingbird, while it might not reach N1 scores it could probably get quite a bit better
but having seen how good samsung code is, well, that just isn't happening
ps: i agree i got less issues with jp2 hk than jpc as well, especially the lags and FC's and *battery life* (it's like double time)
I've been running JPC for 5 days now, and it's great. I have no desire to switch back to an Eclair rom. I still don't have a lag fix installed and don't feel I need to. I'm also not getting any FCs at all.
What's the deal with everyone wanting massive Linpack scores anyway? What software requires that grunt? Movies run perfectly, games are fast, and most other software wouldn't even touch the capabilities of either the Snapdragon or Hummingbird processors.
If it's a pissing contest you want to win against an N1 or Desire owner, simply load up Real Football 2010 and show them how comically fast it is, since it was written for their phone and no frame limiter was appied.
For me it's not about the benchmark per se.
JIT is one of those great Froyo features, and it can massively impact performance (it's clear, for instance, that Snapdragon vs Hummingbird architecture has very little percentage impact on Linpack, it's all about JIT optimization, like 15 to 40 just tuning JIT), not just in some pointless floating point benchmark.
Nevertheless, JIT is an issue where Samsung has to put its hands on code-wise, and they definitely proved during this childhood of this phone that they can very very very much suck at that.
So this benchmark could be helpful to understand how much effort Sammie is putting into Galaxy S Development, maybe.
Hello all,
I just installed the new JPM firmware, and run Quadrand benchamrk on it.
I get less than 1000 points, wich puts this below N1 and DroidX.
I dont really tested this with the original firmware.
Is there a problem with my phone's hardware?
Or is it the firmware?
Our phone should be similar to N1, right?
How much points do you get with this firmware?
Thanks!
EDIT:
- I format and wipe all data before flashing.
- Its rooted.
This is usually how the SGS scores without lagfix on eclair... But quadrant doesn't exactly give you accurate real-life usage performance statistics...
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hm... Maybe it s good idea to apply the lag fix?
I think you should just wait for the official froyo release for SGS from Samsung.... It's literally just around the corner now! Otherwise, you can try (and I personally recommend) RyanZA's awesome, OCLF 2.0 since it's the simplest to use...
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Using the lag fix will get you 2000points. Helps the file system speed
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Greate. i apply the lag fix and get 1800 points now.
The quadrand bench probably dont messure real world usage, but it was breaking my psych..
It could be subjetive, but i think appbrain listing of installed application runs a little faster.
Thanks!
Hi everybody!
After installing the DocRom XXJPO v9 with lagfix Ext4 ALL (a=e4), schedule kernel, I/O, etc.. and tweaks, and I get 1563 in Quadrant's benchmark(I've just installed, i never ran the test before)...It's a very low value, isn't it?What am I doing wrong?
Thanks!
Take test scores with a grain of salt. It's not the best way of assuming something is wrong with your phone.
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Actually if u look at the other scores unless something has changed I'm pretty sure that is still the highest s ore on that list. No worries.
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Uh, yea. I get something between 900 and 1000 depending on the day with official 2.2. Mostly I assume down to the piss poor filesystem speed. It almost always looks like it has hung on the writing test.
Thanks for the responses!
I've read that some people got 2000 and even a little bit more. I guess they overclocked!!
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Thanks for the responses!
I've read that some people got 2000 and even a little bit more. I guess they overclocked!!
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People may be using an overclock but to the people with the 2000+ scores are using the EXT2 binds option/OCLF.
When using OCLF quadrants shows huge scores in the filesystem part whereas it may not reflect the actual performance of the phone.
Personally so far, hardcores new K10C kernel is by far the fastest I've used yet. He's updates a few things in K10C and my phone is really, really fast. You notice it more in the app drawer and when the phone is under load. I'm also using the all EXT4 option.
You should give K10C a go and see for yourself.
Paul, I'll have to wipe to install this new kernel?
... Quadrant scores are pretty meaningless. Only be worried if you feel lag when you're using the phone.
my scores breach 2000(by 3) but im not overclocked. look at my signature
I'll try this new kernel, PaulForde, thanks for the tip!
nwsk, you're totally right, but sometimes I notice some little lag in my live wallpaper, and I don't have lots of apps in background. That's what made me think about it, install Quadrant and compare the results with some others.
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I had a chance to try it in corp store, but the result is disappointing.
Only 15xx? Are you kidding me?
With same Tegra 2 CPU, my A7 can achieve 2400-2500.
What is yours?
Is your A7 running stock firmware?
Quadrant is 1995 on stock.
Quadrant 1867 37.769 Linpack
As I thought dualcore means nothing reason I love my Nexus s with its 2825 quadrant score people better wake up as to the marketing that's going on
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I only trust my experience when playing Angry Birds.
If it doesn't have hiccup, this would be good.
mingkee said:
I had a chance to try it in corp store, but the result is disappointing.
Only 15xx? Are you kidding me?
With same Tegra 2 CPU, my A7 can achieve 2400-2500.
What is yours?
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1913 for my Streak7. Tested right after restarting.
1900- ish with about 250 MB RAM available....
39-ish on Linpack...
For those that may not know...
The quadrant score doesnt really mean anything right now. Reason being; Froyo doesnt support dual core, so until HC gets ported, you will never see the full potential, even though its already there. Anf even when it does get ported, it really depends on which filesystem we get this running on a custom oc kernel. For instance, etc3 has trouble with the read/write db, even though the kernel is super fast. And rfs and jfs dont have that issue as much, but usually arent as fast as say a voodoo kernel.
Dont rely on quadrant or linpack. Right now, but not for long, the DS7 has the fastest processor on an android tablet, but we cant even use it to its full potential. This is why I know we will get HC, its just a matter of when we will get an official release from Dell/T-Mobile.
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binarybishop said:
For those that may not know...
The quadrant score doesnt really mean anything right now. Reason being; Froyo doesnt support dual core, so until HC gets ported, you will never see the full potential, even though its already there. Anf even when it does get ported, it really depends on which filesystem we get this running on a custom oc kernel. For instance, etc3 has trouble with the read/write db, even though the kernel is super fast. And rfs and jfs dont have that issue as much, but usually arent as fast as say a voodoo kernel.
Dont rely on quadrant or linpack. Right now, but not for long, the DS7 has the fastest processor on an android tablet, but we cant even use it to its full potential. This is why I know we will get HC, its just a matter of when we will get an official release from Dell/T-Mobile.
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Thank you for clearing this up. I did read about Quadrant and 2.2 not supporting Dual Core a few months back.
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Hi everyone. I have never rooted my Bionic, but have always been disappointed in my performance. I bought it on launch day and just stuck with it, and it has been a huge disappointment ever since.
Well, I think I may have come across a reason for the disappointment. I ran the benchmark test Quadrant.
My first run? 1700.
My second? 1200.
I said, whoa, hold on a minute, people were getting 2200-2500 on stock when the thing launched.
So I did a factory reset, and after the last three runs of Quadrant I'm getting about 1400.
Something is seriously wrong. I installed CPU spy and nothing seems too out of the ordinary. Yet these scores are worse than the Nexus S, and that's just crazy. I know the Bionic is a better phone than that.
Is there a hardware problem with my phone causing these low scores? What do you think I could do to fix this?
Which version are you on?
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Which version are you on?
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5.9.905, which is the latest OTA firmware.
I just ran it and got 1465, and I've noticed that my Bionic has gone to hell lately. Poor battery life and overall poor performance. I would love help with this!
Edit: Using CPU Spy I found that when my phone isn't in deep sleep, it spends the large majority of its time at 300mhz, almost no time at 600 or 800mhz, and a small amount of the at 1000mhz that is significantly less than the time at 300mhz. Is the problem that my Bionic for some reason is getting stuck at a lower speed?
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5.9.905, which is the latest OTA firmware.
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Well there are 3 things that could be contributing to this; your microSD, your choice of apps, and/or not using your built-in task manager to stop apps that are wasting memory.
But it's worth noting that Quadrant Standard won't show you the individual scores, so it is a poor tool for diagnosing problems. I suggest that you also not go by other peoples scores. They may be using mods that you aren't.
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Well there are 3 things that could be contributing to this; your microSD, your choice of apps, and/or not using your built-in task manager to stop apps that are wasting memory.
But it's worth noting that Quadrant Standard won't show you the individual scores, so it is a poor tool for diagnosing problems. I suggest that you also not go by other peoples scores. They may be using mods that you aren't.
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As I said in my post, I did a factory reset. Everything was wiped off the internal storage. No rogue apps. The only thing installed was the benchmark itself. I also tried the benchmark without the microSD to no avail.
And also, the scores I have read have been from day one purchasers of Bionics on stock. I ignore anything that does not specify that it was achieved on stock, and everything I have seen has been 2000+.
There is no reason my Bionic should be scoring 1400 and lower.
You should root your phone, it gives you things you wouldnt have dreamed of!
Don't know what to tell you...just got a 2683 in Quadrant on. 2333 ICS leak on my Bionic (though mine was bumped to.1.2Ghz with the leak).
Total 2683
CPU 3770
Mem 3008
I/O 3145
2D 1000
3D 2414
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As I said in my post, I did a factory reset. Everything was wiped off the internal storage. No rogue apps. The only thing installed was the benchmark itself. I also tried the benchmark without the microSD to no avail.
And also, the scores I have read have been from day one purchasers of Bionics on stock. I ignore anything that does not specify that it was achieved on stock, and everything I have seen has been 2000+.
There is no reason my Bionic should be scoring 1400 and lower.
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After the factory reset, when you logged in to your account, did you log into more than one?
Also, was it by chance downloading things like mail in the background? Try disabling all sync and even putting it in airplane mode and then see.
Also, how much charge on your battery? Remember that stock BIONIC settings also have that delicious night mode settings as well....
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