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Is any third party accessories announced that utilizes the port on the Galaxy Tab?
(It is similar to PDMI, but not compatible, right?)
I would love to see an adapter to connect usb-devices such as usb memory sticks and digital cameras for backup as well as a hdmi output cable.
i start workin again next week after 2 years of school... goodbye lovely time....
will be coding machines and wanted to make a selfmade hdmi dock for the tab.
...as some excersie after 2 years...
but nobody in here is able to post the pin assignment of his dock or. tv cable.... thanks to the community!!!
Hi
I am also trying to find out more on this matter to make my own "real" hdmi cable for the Tab or experiment with other fun features as sub stick adapter...
The port seems to be a fully PDMI port, don't know if USB 3.0 signaling is there though.
The Dell Streak also use PDMI connector.
PDMI info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI
USB on tge go OTG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go
Displayport info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
http://www.displayport.org/cms/sites/default/files/downloads/DisplayPort_Technical_Overview.pdf
The PDMI connector features a 2 lane Displayport adapter.
To convert from this adapter You would need a chip that can convert dual lane Displayport to HDMI as most readily adapters use 4 lane Displayport AC level conversions as this chip:'
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/14627.pdf
This is a 2 lane to VGA adpater :
http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/DATA_BRIEF/CD00214490.pdf
http://www.nxp.com/#/pip/pip=[pip=PTN3392]|pp=[t=pip,i=PTN3392]
This is the Displayport convert chip we want to use:
http://www.paradetech.com/products/displayport-format-converters/displayport-to-hdmidvi-converter/
This is just a quick summary.
The first thing we need is to find a suppier of PDMI contacs instead of ripping apart expensive charger cables to test with.
Other devices that uses PDMI connector:
Dell Streak
Slacker G2
thanks to zab... i finally get a useable tab... all my questions have been anwered :0)
now lets start workin.... i m going to make a stand for mobile and outdoor use.
there are some cheap solar battery extenders out now...
i think video without hdmi should do its job.... look at those tiny mini beamers :0) i own one :0)
ok... now lets reactivate my braincells... hits from the.... .... ....
edit: after a short look at my samsung usb cable..... i have to say its not pdmi standard. :0(
shame on samsung! there are 7 pins used in my cable... ok only 23 left... grrrr
What is the pinout You have measured then?
And does anyone have the videocable so they can measure the pinout on it?
I don't wanna sacrifise my cable until I have a spare one. I've already lost it once and the battery lasts for 3 days. After that it was a long wait until I found it again as I haven't found any spare cable here in Norway yet in the stores.
Belkin have a hdmi cable you can order.
Don't now exactly how it looks, hope it's just transforms the pdmi to a hdmi port where you can mount a standard hdmi cable. But it almost seems like item will be a mini hdmi import.
Have ordered one, hope i will have it ibm some days
Belkin Ultra-Thin Mobile HDMI Cable
for Galaxy Tab HDMI A - HDMI C
step by step to a usefull tab...
bd85 said:
Belkin have a hdmi cable you can order.
Don't now exactly how it looks, hope it's just transforms the pdmi to a hdmi port where you can mount a standard hdmi cable. But it almost seems like item will be a mini hdmi import.
Have ordered one, hope i will have it ibm some days
Belkin Ultra-Thin Mobile HDMI Cable
for Galaxy Tab HDMI A - HDMI C
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thanks, i'm going to take a look at this.
edit: nooooooooo!!! you bought an mini hdmi to hdmi cable.... its for the dock... oh man.
there is no pdmi. not in your cable and not in the tab too.
...i was searching in some other forums last night.
it looks like the dell streak has got the only real pdmi pin assignment.
when i look at my tab usb cable the pins that are used are:
3,4 then 7,8 + 15,16 and finally... pin 30 !? ...perhaps they where drunken when doin this...
comparing to pdmi-wiki and dells it looks like samsung only used the size (you can plug it in the dell tablet) but fully messed around the assignment so most of users have to buy a piece of sh... for 50 bucks.... wow!!!
.... ... i bought fruid-salad but i only taste apples.... .... thanksung!
It's NOT a PDMI connector, Samsung have altered it so it's mechanically compatible, but not electrically.
We don't have any specs on the actual pinouts of the Tab connector yet as far as I'm aware.
me dont buy pdmi accessoire :0)
knightnz said:
It's NOT a PDMI connector, Samsung have altered it so it's mechanically compatible, but not electrically.
We don't have any specs on the actual pinouts of the Tab connector yet as far as I'm aware.
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thanks for you're english lesson. im loose my religion ;0) apesome!
no pdmi, right!
pinouts?...
i visited my mother and got some needels now (nähnadeln in germany, not the ones for heroine)
i am doing some voodoo on my tab right now ;0) ... O
first i was afraid of the high power pdmi-usb output....
but now i think there is no high power...
dagobert drug said:
i visited my mother and got some needels now (nähnadeln in germany, not the ones for heroine)
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ROFL that's some hilarous shi* man, you got twitter account? You're thoughts are mind blowing lol
Only if you had the official dock which has the hdmi out, perhaps you get a better idea how this works?
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thanks, i'm going to take a look at this.
edit: nooooooooo!!! you bought an mini hdmi to hdmi cable.... its for the dock... oh man.
there is no pdmi. not in your cable and not in the tab too.
...i was searching in some other forums last night.
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Thanks for looking this up,
luckily i haven't got the cable yet. So will remove my order and buy the hdmi dock and a hdmi mini to hdmi cable.
If i have now the length of belkins cable i have bought it, but now i don't now that so will find a other cable
Can't find anything on the internet so here goes. Does the note support TV out. I haven't got a cable to test at the minute
Thanks
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You cannot find, or you forgot to google ?
The note hs HDMI over MHL.
So you need to buy the cable
Yes I know it has hdmi out as I have found that on Google and eBay I'm talking about standard old Samsung TV out via 3.5mm so I can use it with my vuzix wrap
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Can't find anything on the internet so here goes. Does the note support TV out. I haven't got a cable to test at the minute
Thanks
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Yes it supports TV out. You need to buy an MHL adapter though. That said, it works like a charm. However, it does bog down the performance of the device (except when playing movies) because it's having to do the processing for two displays instead of one. Playing games, or web browsing, etc will be noticeably slower. However, if all you're using it is for media output, you should have no problems.
You can usually get your hands on an MHL adapter for about $20 or less.
I'm thinking about buying a HDMI MHL "cable", but have anyone here tried this one or this one? Do we need a specific MHL cable, or can we use all of them?
Edit: Found the original Samsung MHL cable for 20 Euros, so i think i'll go with that instead. It says its for SII and Galaxy Nexus, so i guess it'll work with the Note too.
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I'm thinking about buying a HDMI MHL "cable", but have anyone here tried this one or this one? Do we need a specific MHL cable, or can we use all of them?
Edit: Found the original Samsung MHL cable for 20 Euros, so i think i'll go with that instead. It says its for SII and Galaxy Nexus, so i guess it'll work with the Note too.
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Either of the one that you listed should work just fine. There's really little/no difference between those and the official Samsung one because MHL is an open standard, and hence will be compatible across many different platforms and vendors.
OK! Thanks
Now, here's a tip for possibly getting your official Samsung MHL adapter for free: Go to your local AT&T store and ask the rep if they still have the accessories for their Infuse 4G display unit. Normally they send those all back to corporate, but if you're lucky, they may still have theirs, and since corporate just throws them away anyhow, the store had no issues with just giving me their spare MHL adapter for free
I set it up with external power but couldn't get it to work. The phone switched to CLOCK.
Would a cheap $11 eBay MHL adapter work well or do we have to fork out $40 for the Samsung one?
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Would a cheap $11 eBay MHL adapter work well or do we have to fork out $40 for the Samsung one?
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I bought a (what would be about) $9usd cable in a small store in Hong Kong, and it works perfectly.
You have to plug the power part in first (I have a power bank thing which works well), then the micro usb into the phone, and then the phone will start outputting. Don't just plug in the microusb->hdmi and then the power, that didn't work for me and I spent a while trying to figure it out. I haven't noticed any additional lag at all.
Everything is displayed. When the phone is in portrait mode (e.g. launcher) the TV will have lots of black on either side. When playing videos landscape, it takes up the full tv screen. Sound is also output.
my tv does not have hdmi and only have the traditional red/yellow/white input. Is there any cable to connect my note to my old fashioned tv?
You can probably get some kind of HDMI to component converter, but with hdmi being digital the signal will need to be converted to analog so it will be expensive.
Alexanderbooth said:
You can probably get some kind of HDMI to component converter, but with hdmi being digital the signal will need to be converted to analog so it will be expensive.
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the price you will pay for that best you buy a new tv because the convertor sucks trust me when i say so..... a proper convertor will run 100 bucks plus even then the tv can handle the HD res so it will flicker and blank in and out or dont shows at all... spend 129 and get a nice 27" or higher native hdmi monitor...
antiguangenius said:
the price you will pay for that best you buy a new tv because the convertor sucks trust me when i say so..... a proper convertor will run 100 bucks plus even then the tv can handle the HD res so it will flicker and blank in and out or dont shows at all... spend 129 and get a nice 27" or higher native hdmi monitor...
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just don't want to waste...my old tv set still works fine...though i have already thought of a thousand reasons to get rid of it....
happyuser said:
just don't want to waste...my old tv set still works fine...though i have already thought of a thousand reasons to get rid of it....
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Well, now you have one more reason. Also, a 15" CRT (ie. the old-style tube) TV consumes several times more electricity than even a 40" LCD/LED one so you're only doing a disservice to yourself by using it.
How to turn off screen using hdmi out? as battery consumption is so high even the charger cant keep up when streaming video.
I'm also having problems with my MHL adapter.
I bought this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005KJYMSC/ref=oh_o00_s02_i00_details
from amazon, as it was cheap says specifically it is compatible with the Note.
But it doesn't work, my TV just says no signal. I have the charger plugged into it, I have my 3g turned off. Everything seems right, but it wont work. I'm rather annoyed.
I have a feeling, that despite it saying so on the listing, it is infact not compatible with the Note. It says on the packaging max resolution 1280x720p... so that could well be the problem.
Moral of the story, buy the official Samsung one and save yourself the bother!
Guys,
I would like to connect my note to my car radio (7 inch screen) which has video in RCA cable.
I bought this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261025098138&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
However, it does not work when I try it on my TV. It says 'no signal'. I was told by the seller that the Note does not have the TV out option as opposed to the S2 for example. I've checked the specs on the samsung galaxy website (TV out for S2, no TV out for Note in the connectivity list).
So, is there a specific cable like MHL to RCA that I could use?
Thanks
I got the original samsung mhl adapter from a very nice fellow here on xda for $10 shipped, he had a bunch of them he was giving away, I tried it on my S2 (Note on CM9 doesn't do MHL) and other note was broken.
Once I get both my notes back I can update the thread with more info.
Hello Members
Where can I buy this adapter (photo attached) other than ebay, in the UK.
Will it work correctly with my Note 2, as I'm going to use it to run an external USB DAC convertor, and need the extra USB power plug to power the phone and the DAC.
Failing that can, I get one made? Or make it myself from best quality audio grade USB cable and connectors?
If it's possible to make it, is there a specific wiring diagram for this OTG adapter + USB power plug that works for current Samsung smartphones?
Any help, or links to traders, and directions would be great.
Regards
Livio
http://nijaspecs.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/how-to-make-your-own-usb-otg-cable/
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10833&cs_id=1083314&p_id=9724&seq=1&format=2
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Thanks for the links, but it's a OTG adapter with an extra USB male plug just for supplying 5 v power, reading a lot about making something up, but in short these modded adapter cables don't work with any certainty (something about not finding the nominal resistor value across pin (ID) 4 & (Ground) 5, which means either the phone goes to charge mode, but doesn't see the USB item that's been connected, or the reverse).
I thought the new Samsung Note 2 Smartdock might work, but it's been found to not see USB audio DAC's when there plugged in, unless someone knows different but I'm guessing the dock already takes the audio signal from the phones USB and feeds it to a 3.5 mm headphone socket in the unit.
liviococcia said:
Hello Members
Where can I buy this adapter (photo attached) other than ebay, in the UK.
Will it work correctly with my Note 2, as I'm going to use it to run an external USB DAC convertor, and need the extra USB power plug to power the phone and the DAC.
Failing that can, I get one made? Or make it myself from best quality audio grade USB cable and connectors?
If it's possible to make it, is there a specific wiring diagram for this OTG adapter + USB power plug that works for current Samsung smartphones?
Any help, or links to traders, and directions would be great.
Regards
Livio
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Ebay have tons of them....
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Micro-US...Accessories&hash=item20cdc2cc21#ht_3873wt_906
Thanks knight900, but I wanted to buy the item from anywhere other than ebay, the reason, well in the past whenever I made a purchase from this type of location/trader there was always fraud instigated on my PayPal account.
I might still consider buying from Ebay if other forum members have purchased the same item from a particular Ebay seller with no issues.
Hey all,
seeing all the threads about OTG and the difference to MHL, I thought I'd try to clear things up a bit:
Is this just another name for MHL?
No, it's not. MHL and SlimPort do the same, but in different ways. It's not the same and accessories are not compatible. You will need a new adapter, e.g.
Aren't we being 'appled' here?
Just a little, really. SlimPort does have several advantages, such as support for more than just HDMI and the freedom not to connect a power source, if you don't want to. Also it helps make the device as cheap as it is, because while MHL requires fees, SlimPort does not.
Does this device support USB OTG?
No, not yet. It should be possible though. Analogix (the makers of SlimPort) state their product will pass USB OTG signals to a host controller. Is there a host controller? Yes, there is! The N4's CPU includes one Figures it's a matter of support in the kernel, someone will likely get to this in the near future.
Sounds pretty impressive, huh? I'm afraid it isn't. While most manufacturers switched to a 11-pin design, SlimPort still uses 5-pin according to the whitepaper. Now, what does that mean? There's 3 data lines less, usual USB connections are not even possible, says the whitepaper. So it will most likely not be possible to use video output and OTG at the same time.
Most people will not care about this, but it will be a big deal for those - including me - who want to use it as a 'PC replacement'.
Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I did some thorough research and believe I should be right with my statements here.
Regards,
dobbi10k
I'm disappointed with this switch to SlimPort.
1. I just want to get the display of my phone to the TV. So to me MHL and SlimPort do the same thing and it doesn't matter if they do it differently.
2. I feel "Apple'd" big time. Only one company makes these SlimPort adapters that I could find and they charge $30 for it. The MHL adapter I already own can't be used. Argh.
And I kept hearing about how I wouldn't need a power cable and that was suppose to be an advantage to SlimPort. But reading on their website, it sounds like the TV or monitor must support SlimPort too in order for the power over HDMI to work. Standard HDMI ports from the TV to the adapter will still need a separate power source.
I doubt SlimPort will catch on and I know I won't be spending $30 for an adapter that nothing else will probably ever use.
God, I need a freaking Miracast box that will work with my Nexus 4 in the worst way.
I think you pay the fees with the cable rather than possibly paying fees with the phone for a feature you may not want. I think this is why the cable costs more.
I could be wrong though and its just a company profitting because they are currently the only supplier.
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I thought the micro usb sockets only had 5 pins anyway, so where the hell doe the 6 pins come from?
Edit: Galaxy S III has a 11pin port apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
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And I kept hearing about how I wouldn't need a power cable and that was suppose to be an advantage to SlimPort. But reading on their website, it sounds like the TV or monitor must support SlimPort too in order for the power over HDMI to work. Standard HDMI ports from the TV to the adapter will still need a separate power source.
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No, that was true for MHL, either the screen had to have a power output on the HDMI cable or you had to connect an external power source. SlimPort however makes this unneccessary, you CAN connect an external power source to charge your phone, but you don't have to.
If I already bought an MHL adapter, I would probably feel apple'd too, got you point, though
gbroon said:
I think you pay the fees with the cable rather than possibly paying fees with the phone for a feature you may not want. I think this is why the cable costs more.
I could be wrong though and its just a company profitting because they are currently the only supplier.
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The standard is maintained by VESA and it's completely free. However, the HDMI standard still requires fees, which you pay with the cable. A display port adapter could be made way cheaper. But the latter is true, too. All these adapters could be made cheaper.
tehrules said:
I thought the micro usb sockets only had 5 pins anyway, so where the hell doe the 6 pins come from?
Edit: Galaxy S III has a 11pin port apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
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Yup, forgot to mention an example, the Note 2 for example has it too,ty. I believe I heard about other manufacturers planning to do similar things...
Good afternoon, everybody. I can not find the problem, on the Russian Forums Help is not found. (I am from Moscow). such a problem-acquired mhl-hdmi adapter. connecting entirely in accordance with the instructions is nothing happens. no pop-up window on the connected hdmi no display on the screen. the problem is clearly not in the adapter. I believe that I have something extra frozen / deleted. please if someone knows tell me what process / system file is responsible for displaying the image on the hdmi.thank you all in advance. and please do not delete the question if he is in the wrong section. move to the desired section please.
Make sure you are using 11pin (not 5 pin) adapter. Can you check adapter with another Note 2 to make sure that adapter is ok?
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you can also test the adapter with a Galaxy S3, and probably S4. I don't believe the S4 changed anything in the HML or USB port, so it's very likely the same as GN2 and S3.
Also, if you are using a HML adapter, make sure it has enough power. Not all adapters pulled enough power from the phone, so you will need an external power source. Most just use the USB cable and charger that come with the phone.
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you can also test the adapter with a Galaxy S3, and probably S4. I don't believe the S4 changed anything in the HML or USB port, so it's very likely the same as GN2 and S3.
Also, if you are using a HML adapter, make sure it has enough power. Not all adapters pulled enough power from the phone, so you will need an external power source. Most just use the USB cable and charger that come with the phone.
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unfortunately I have not the opportunity to try something different to what note2 or s3. if I had the chance I would not have asked for help. I just ask somebody to check on his device and see what process start when adapter connect to the phone and tv. sorry for any mistakes
the idea was to confirm that your GN2 wasn't working correct, and it wasn't the adapter. If the adpater worked, then it's the phone. If not, the it may be the adapter.
Depending on your adapter, it's possible there may not be enough power, thus, it's possible the HML isn't registering. I'm assuming you're not using some one directional HDMI cable.
I use an adapter as well. I needed a 5pin to 11pin adapter. I have to use the phone charger to power the adapter. The above video shows the setup and it working.
Maybe you can let someone at the store where you got the phone to test another phone with the adapter or an adapter with your phone. Hopefully they have TV with HDMI to test with. Maybe try an electronics store.
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the idea was to confirm that your GN2 wasn't working correct, and it wasn't the adapter. If the adpater worked, then it's the phone. If not, the it may be the adapter.
Depending on your adapter, it's possible there may not be enough power, thus, it's possible the HML isn't registering. I'm assuming you're not using some one directional HDMI cable.
I use an adapter as well. I needed a 5pin to 11pin adapter. I have to use the phone charger to power the adapter. The above video shows the setup and it working.
Maybe you can let someone at the store where you got the phone to test another phone with the adapter or an adapter with your phone. Hopefully they have TV with HDMI to test with. Maybe try an electronics store.
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Thank you very much. Today decided to move - to unfreeze all applications and restore all avtostarts. We'll see tomorrow at work. The results unsubscribe. By the way today went to the office store Samsung - I have the original cable. It turns out that the case in my phone. Charging and tried to 1A and 1.5A - no way. I really hope that everything will turn out tomorrow. Thanks for the video
By the way your adapter is not like mine. Apparently, in different regions of different designs.
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Thank you very much. Today decided to move - to unfreeze all applications and restore all avtostarts. We'll see tomorrow at work. The results unsubscribe. By the way today went to the office store Samsung - I have the original cable. It turns out that the case in my phone. Charging and tried to 1A and 1.5A - no way. I really hope that everything will turn out tomorrow. Thanks for the video
By the way your adapter is not like mine. Apparently, in different regions of different designs.
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It's don't work It is a pity. Don't know what's next search. What's the problem
the adapter I have is a generic one I got from Monoprice; they're a company that sells cheaper electronic, which is usually made in China. Thus, it is not the official sumsung one.
it looks like you're still in the situation where you don't know if it is your phone or the MHL adapter where the problem lies. I would consider going to an electronics store that sells TVs, phones, video games, and so forth; whatever is the similar to Best Buy in the USA. I don't know the stores that would be in Moscow. Bring your phone and adapter and see if they will let you hook up to one of their TVs. Also, see if they will let you test out another adapter, maybe one that they sell. And maybe they can let you test Samsung Galaxy S3, S4 or Note 2 with your adapter.
I think it may be the easiest way to figure it out based on your don't know anyone locally with any of the Samsung phones list above. There's just too many variables right now to effectively to say one way or the other.
thank you very much for the advice. yesterday went to the official store samsung. asked to check but no one helped me. so I will look for original cable and test all over again. today tried my cable on another galaxy note 2. no reaction. even tried to connect another cable hdmi, the more expensive and high quality. It seems the problem is still in the adapter.
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the adapter I have is a generic one I got from Monoprice; they're a company that sells cheaper electronic, which is usually made in China. Thus, it is not the official sumsung one.
it looks like you're still in the situation where you don't know if it is your phone or the MHL adapter where the problem lies. I would consider going to an electronics store that sells TVs, phones, video games, and so forth; whatever is the similar to Best Buy in the USA. I don't know the stores that would be in Moscow. Bring your phone and adapter and see if they will let you hook up to one of their TVs. Also, see if they will let you test out another adapter, maybe one that they sell. And maybe they can let you test Samsung Galaxy S3, S4 or Note 2 with your adapter.
I think it may be the easiest way to figure it out based on your don't know anyone locally with any of the Samsung phones list above. There's just too many variables right now to effectively to say one way or the other.
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the adapter I have is a generic one I got from Monoprice; they're a company that sells cheaper electronic, which is usually made in China. Thus, it is not the official sumsung one.
it looks like you're still in the situation where you don't know if it is your phone or the MHL adapter where the problem lies. I would consider going to an electronics store that sells TVs, phones, video games, and so forth; whatever is the similar to Best Buy in the USA. I don't know the stores that would be in Moscow. Bring your phone and adapter and see if they will let you hook up to one of their TVs. Also, see if they will let you test out another adapter, maybe one that they sell. And maybe they can let you test Samsung Galaxy S3, S4 or Note 2 with your adapter.
I think it may be the easiest way to figure it out based on your don't know anyone locally with any of the Samsung phones list above. There's just too many variables right now to effectively to say one way or the other.
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not aware of the USB debugging should be enabled or not? and then perhaps because of this problem?
that should not effect the HDMI/HML. Mine is always enableed, but only triggers when connected to a PC. Most likely, the HML uses more pins than the USB for a PC, which is why it doesn't trigger.
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that should not effect the HDMI/HML. Mine is always enableed, but only triggers when connected to a PC. Most likely, the HML uses more pins than the USB for a PC, which is why it doesn't trigger.
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May be you sell me your own ? :laugh: obviously work. or tell me where you bought?