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[Question] WM6.5.3 ROM for Tattoo

Anyone know of an WM6.5.3 ROM development for the Tattoo?

Its not even rooted properly yet, and thus no custom roms at all...
Btw why would you wanna use WM?

ebsbow said:
Anyone know of an WM6.5.3 ROM development for the Tattoo?
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Are you sure you're in the right forum ?

Why WM ? WHY!!??

mainfram3 said:
Are you sure you're in the right forum ?
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jejeej if it has not been achieved in this forum, I think that is not achieved in either ... I think the confusion is not a forum, could be the phone

Windows Mobile can't be ported on the Tattoo. And that's that. End of story.

Don't see why not.
WM on the Tattoo: The sequel..
Its an HTC device and uses mostly the same components as other models.
Porting isn't really what is needed here. Just need to get it to run.
That goes vice versa.
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Ah, you are an Mac user. Then this will be hard

my 2 cents:
If you wanted WM, you should had bought a Touch2.
That's the WM Tattoo cousin, with same specs and all...
Cheers

Why make windows 95/3.11 run on an mobile?
Why make Android run on other htc devices?
Why make linux run on other htc devices?
Why make WM run on the Tattoo?
Comm'n guy's don't be so reluctant, we are developers here.

i have seen on endgadget or gizmodo(i dont remembeer) few days a go a kirf of htc tatto running win mo 6.5.3
btw the specs of this litlle monster were not the same as the tattoo
here is the link
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/21/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccliv-htc-tattoo-joins-the-winmo-gan/
cheers

t0nil0 said:
i have seen on endgadget or gizmodo(i dont remembeer) few days a go a kirf of htc tatto running win mo 6.5.3
btw the specs of this litlle monster were not the same as the tattoo
here is the link
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/21/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccliv-htc-tattoo-joins-the-winmo-gan/
cheers
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:lol: That's awesome!

ebsbow said:
Don't see why not.
WM on the Tattoo: The sequel..
Its an HTC device and uses mostly the same components as other models.
Porting isn't really what is needed here. Just need to get it to run.
That goes vice versa.
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Ah, you are an Mac user. Then this will be hard
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wm on tattoo == a step backwards in technological advancement
that would be about the worthless thing that could happen to the tattoo

What technological advancement are you referring to..?
If you are referring to the fact that Android is Google,
then please enlighten us what so great that we need to
spare the Tattoo from Windows Mobile..
Developers are indiscriminate when it come to brand.
I have these devices because I love the hardware and we can
do stuff with it. We can develop, experiment, tool them and if done
right, make money on them.
Admire htc for developing these devices for us, not Google, MS or Apple.

Serioulsy, what the **** ?
You have an Open-source firmware on your phone, and you want to remplace it with a closed-source ?
You've a firmware totally independent of any firm, or society, and you want to remplace it with a totally-dependent-of-microsoft-firmware ?
You are root on your phone, and you want to change for a phone on wich you are just a user ?
Seriously !

I think I understand what ebsbow is trying to explain to us. IMO, as long as it is for development purpose only, then I can agree. But I don't feel that WM can be fully implemented on the Tattoo, and don't think it'll be suitable for day-to-day use.

I think ebsbow got a point here. This is a dev site, not a fanboy site which support the back of a specific os just because it is better (according to some). If there is a way to implement windows mobile on the tattoo, then why not? Where is the harm in that? You dont like it, then dont use it. Itll be just a break through.
If you happen to hate a specific os, it is just a personal opinion. Just hold back from clicking on the forum. Xda dev is about development, not about refraining development just because some dont like the direction in which it is pointing.
But for now I think that porting windows mobile to the tattoo is far away. We are still in a very undeveloped stage of getting root. And also, thanks to all the devs who invested their spare time in this, a huge work has been done. Lets just hope that we soon get a stable state of root which doesnt get lost on reboot and that give us true root capabilities.

I don't think the stock Tattoo having root has anything to do with installing a new OS. Then again, I ain't a developer, and I don't know **** about developing WM for an officially unsupported device.

Of course mate. I just meant that the devs have their plate full right now

yash08 said:
Of course mate. I just meant that the devs have their plate full right now
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Okay, I'll release my windows mobile curse and admit that I do have some thoughts into Windows Mobile on the tattoo:
To be honest, Windows Mobile could be ported to the Tattoo/Click. WM could live on a SD Card, and the bootloader (HardSPL?) bootstraps the code from the SDCard to boot the WM environment or have a boot menu saying "Press Left to boot Android 1.6/2.x or right to boot Windows Mobile 5/6/7"
However, you'll face these problems:
1. Driver Support, you'd have to hack WM extensively to get support for phone and related components unless the drivers could be ported from the Touch/Touch2.
2. Not a native WM device. This could lead to Windows Mobile crying it's eyes out when the device crashes. "Mummy, I want my device rebooted". (lol bad joke, but hey )
3. Apps. Would they support the Tattoo's screen res? Parts could be missing off the screen and whatnot.
4. SD Card wear and tear. Could WM burn that MicroSD card up if you use it extensively? Windows can really tear up a SSD HDD if you abuse it, but a MicroSD has a tiny chip that runs the show.
5. Who's gonna support you when your WM/Android hybrid phone blows up and you need a replacement, and HTC rejects it due to "unsupported mods"?
Anyway, that's my few cents. I hope this helps you WM fangirls/fanboys.

Here is some progression on the htc Niki::
[23 FEB] Android Eclair 2.1 for HTC Niki - Work still in progress:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637586
[APP][04FEB10]Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.5.0[W|Q|VGA][CAB|EXT]:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792
[18 FEB] New Android on HTC Touch-Dual *NIKI* --UPDATED
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634572

X1 will be able some day to boot android without WM?

Hi,
I would like to know if booting android on the X1 would be a possibility in the near future or there is a big technical issue? I know you can launch it from WinMo but so far it is not quite usable IMHO.
thanx
Mart

Daluv said:
Hi,
I would like to know if booting android on the X1 would be a possibility in the near future or there is a big technical issue? I know you can launch it from WinMo but so far it is not quite usable IMHO.
thanx
Mart
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The current X1 Android uses/needs a lot of stuff from WinMo, so it's still not possible. But who knows, the android devs have been pulling miracles out of their butts (like the upside down screen) so it might be possible to have a pure Android X1 in the future.

As far as i understand, after android is loaded, WM is kicked out of memory and android is running like native.
I would like to see that feature too, but i think android devs should first make current version fully functional and then focus with booting.
is X1 even capable to boot something else than WM?

Android ROM

What do you guys think? Do you wanna have a Android ROM, and please tell why.

wesjeex3 said:
What do you guys think? Do you wanna have a Android ROM, and please tell why.
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Because in can make this phone useable...

Yes, because I would like to have a smooth operating system.

+1 to the idea but i think the problems with backlight should be top priority

Not yet, because many things are not working and for example now you can restart device and use WM for gps. This would not be possible with rom.
But when most things are sorted out, ROM would be a great option.

I agree with you matejdro, android is working okay now but not good enough. A couple of things aren't working which are important to use.

i think before a ROM can even be considered, android needs to be able to recognise all hardware and then it needs to be able to work with all hardware. once android is at this stage, it could then be made into a ROM.

Nice system to use and two xperia one with wm one with Android, but too manny issue yet

Yes, I would very much like to see an Android ROM for the Xperia, for the following reasons:
1. I don't like WinMo that much, and I would be happy to replace it on my Xperia altogether in favor of my favorite OS.
2. It's over a year since I last used the Xperia as my main device, and I mainly use it for experimentation now, so I wouldn't mind an Android ROM even if the port still is a bit buggy.
3. You wouldn't have to launch Haret in order to run it.
4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you launch Android through Haret, it isn't run concurrently with Windows Mobile, right? But still, having a dedicated ROM ought to speed up Android a bit, when it's not launched through WinMo.
5. The internal storage is faster than memory cards, so that would speed up things a bit as well.
I'm really looking forward to an Android ROM, just wish I could do more to help making it
Thanks

Yes, but, it is needed a working screen light/bluetooth/gps/headphones
it is still not working in android.
But, i wouldn't rewrite ROM to android. For me is better to use heater.exe. 2 minutes(just like windows) and android is ready!

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Yes, but, it is needed a working screen light/bluetooth/gps/headphones
it is still not working in android.
But, i wouldn't rewrite ROM to android. For me is better to use heater.exe. 2 minutes(just like windows) and android is ready!
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u mean HaRET not heater right? xD

indy.89 said:
i think before a ROM can even be considered, android needs to be able to recognise all hardware and then it needs to be able to work with all hardware. once android is at this stage, it could then be made into a ROM.
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but before making a ROM every thing wud e fixed then only a ROM can be made out of it not before fixing every thing

broknheart_008 said:
but before making a ROM every thing wud e fixed then only a ROM can be made out of it not before fixing every thing
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thats not true, you could probably make a ROM out of android as it is now, you just wouldnt have windows mobile to fall back on, and your battery would drain instantly!

Yes, but ill wait till all things will be fixed.

Xperia is the perfect phone for android rom.
The disign and construction is thinner and most elegant than any other android phone, even nexus....
I can donate for working rom, and also be an betta tester.

+1
Yeah I would really like to have an Android rom for my Xperia. There are no good phones with qwerty keyboards on Android. Couple of HTC phones have keyboard and Android on them, but their hardware is not impressive at all.
I might be getting a Xperia X10 soon, but it doesn't have a keyboard. I find keyboard is important for me, but there is no point in buying phones like HTC hero as I have X1.
As long as Samsung S pro doesn't comes out I would love have an Android ROM on my X1.

rom instead of windows
it would be nice to see it in reverse, android rom working as main boot and run windows on sd card
so if you need to have gps, or send mms (TP2 you cant) so if you can here I did not say a thing.
anyways whatever is not working and you really really need to use it then boot winmobile.
+1 on beta test. I do not have a gsm carrier, but if selected I will go and buy a prepaid sim or just pay month to month on the new tmobile plan
pm me thanks
but to answer your question why a rom, the battery is a drain huge. and just love to show it to the others "Droid" users, what their device CAN'T

I WANA HAVE IT I WANNA HAVE IT!!!!
But i WAnt to have the HERO interface on my X1..i really really like Hero...

circleofomega said:
I WANA HAVE IT I WANNA HAVE IT!!!!
But i WAnt to have the HERO interface on my X1..i really really like Hero...
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HERO INTERFACE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641021

dexteral said:
HERO INTERFACE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641021
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This didnt work for me :S
It booted but was stuck on the HTC Hero boot-up screen... Then it looped repeatedly...
Any help?

Android Devs: What are the biggest challenges in porting Android to Xperia X1?

The intent of this thread was to provide a consolidated answer to all of those waiting patiently (some, not so patient) for a complete Android ROM for the SE Xperia X1.
Many perceive Android as "a hacker's OS" because it is both open source, and supported on so many other HTC devices. Because of this, I suspect many of the "spectators" here (like me) incorrectly assumed that Android on Kovsky (or, any HTC smartphone) would be a straight forward affair, considering some of the amazing work done here with the Windows Mobile ROMs.
It seems, however, that creating a usable Android ROM for Xperia is far more difficult than creating WM6 ROMs? Android has been out for quite some time and there's still no widely available Android ROM for Xperia X1. It is for this reason that I've started this thread.
I'd like to hear from those that have/are working on Android about the challenges in putting together an Android ROM for Xperia X1. What has contributed to this being a difficult OS to port to Kovsky?
Is it driver support? Perhaps Kovsky has a unique selection of hardware that complicates the process? Or, has much of the effort been directed towards Haret vs. a native ROM? If so, why? Can the Haret work be merged into an effort to create an Android ROM or are these different approaches completely exclusive to one another?
Perhaps there are IP/DRM/license issues that are complicating the effort? I'd very much like to hear from ROM chef and devs working on this port.
While it may seem like a idealist perspective, I wonder if some dialog on the issues surrounding an Android port/ROM might result in greater community involvement, and ultimately a stellar Android ROM for one of HTC's most beautiful smartphones. I'm certain that interest in Android on Kovsky is very high. Are there areas where the community might be able to assist with direct hardware, financial or other contributions?
So please, sound off. I'm very interested to hear about chefs/devs experiences with Android and I'm certain there are many here that would like to hear more about this port.

I just didnt know how to tell all you told here... I really want to know because I love my x1 and I love Android.. but i can"t help

i have just check out the Kovsky project from Gitorious, but still don't know how to work on it. 'cause i don't have much knowledge about develop kernel and open source, why don't we have a tutorial thread about this?

You people asking when a Android rom is coming just about every day are so funny. First of all their are still major issues that need to be worked out. Android running from haret is not even every day usable yet so what is the freakin point of expecting a rom now or asking about it? Do you guys want a rom where you phone won't even last 2-3 hours, GPS dosen't work along with the camera etc......? We need All the issues fixed before we can even be thinking about a rom. When Android from Haret is everyday usable then lets start talking about a rom. So can we please give the Devs a break about this rom nonsense and let them work in peace, when their ready to release a Android rom they will release a Android rom.

wphoenix said:
i have just check out the Kovsky project from Gitorious, but still don't know how to work on it. 'cause i don't have much knowledge about develop kernel and open source, why don't we have a tutorial thread about this?
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would like that too, i've only been reading for some good time about the advances, and would like very much to take part in the development of the kernel, but don't really know where to start from
Also, what Viper says its very true... the work is probably a long way from done, depending on how much help the dev's get, which is, from what i've seen, not much.
about Toe_Cutter's comment "I wonder if some dialog on the issues surrounding an Android port/ROM might result in greater community involvement, and ultimately a stellar Android ROM for one of HTC's most beautiful smartphones" ... well, yeah, i think it could... at least i hope so.
xD
cool down all your heads and lets just help in every way we can
...as (ilgreco112) does xD... cheering up isn always bad hahaha
ps: first post!! ... Hi!

Viper89 said:
You people asking when a Android rom is coming just about every day are so funny. First of all their are still major issues that need to be worked out. Android running from haret is not even every day usable yet so what is the freakin point of expecting a rom now or asking about it? Do you guys want a rom where you phone won't even last 2-3 hours, GPS dosen't work along with the camera etc......? We need All the issues fixed before we can even be thinking about a rom. When Android from Haret is everyday usable then lets start talking about a rom. So can we please give the Devs a break about this rom nonsense and let them work in peace, when their ready to release a Android rom they will release a Android rom.
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As a dev, I bet it IS tiring hearing all the spectators asking about an Android ROM.
But what do you expect when spectators ask about the issues, and receive nothing in response?
In my original post, I chose my words very, very carefully, because if you go back and read it again, I never asked when, I only asked the why and how.
Why is it that no one can provide a response to this question? I searched the forum, and read thru dozens of posts trying to understand what this port might require, and I got nada (except several polls asking about an Android ROM, and a few more posts telling the spectators to quit asking about an Android ROM).
Anyone care to break the cycle and help the community understand the issues?

Well, the problem is that you can never guess what's required and how to achieve it. First of all, developers really know nothing about the hardware before they begin hacking it. Until you finish the job, you can't estimate the time it takes to complete. The major problem is that most of us devote just a tiny bit of our time to the porting, because there are lots of interesting things to learn and to do except it, but mostly because everyone's either studying or working (or even both).
But if you really want to know what's needed.. well
1. Fix the LCD panel (add the initialisation code)
2. Fix the power saving (that's the greatest PITA right now) and 3D (the latter should be easy and is not really critical)
3. Implement Bluetooth, FM Radio, Camera (Should not be really hard on the driver side, but rather on the RPC protocol side)
4. Fix USB (should be easy.. actually, everything's done on the device driver side, the problem seems to be with the msm usb driver itself.. just needs real debugging)
5.Make a version of rom that boots from NAND (well, once you get the LCD to work correctly it's not a problem. It actually boots very well off nand, but without LCD and USB working it's not much fun, to tell the truth)
6.Clean up the code, drop the ****ty-droid and head forwards to SHR/Maemo MER/Meego or some other real linux distro with X11 and other things
7.Write up misc stuff (like optical joystick, illumination, new keypad driver and others)
But really, it you want to help, just begin researching everything yourself and exploring wince drivers. You know, Theo de Raadt once said: "shut up and hack", and that's the only way to get things done.

full ack
@sp3dev
full ack your post. the main problems ar not at android 2.x this source we have. but the kernel an its's modules (for kovsky) are the problem.
regards

Toe_Cutter said:
As a dev, I bet it IS tiring hearing all the spectators asking about an Android ROM.
But what do you expect when spectators ask about the issues, and receive nothing in response?
In my original post, I chose my words very, very carefully, because if you go back and read it again, I never asked when, I only asked the why and how.
Why is it that no one can provide a response to this question? I searched the forum, and read thru dozens of posts trying to understand what this port might require, and I got nada (except several polls asking about an Android ROM, and a few more posts telling the spectators to quit asking about an Android ROM).
Anyone care to break the cycle and help the community understand the issues?
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The ROM question has been answered time and again throughout various threads on xda-dev.
There is no real issue "porting" Android to kovsky. Android is a virtualized environment running on a linux
kernel and it is that kernel that has to be ported. "Android" runs 100% on kovsky with minimal modification.
So. There is only one issue with the linux kernel - that issue is when the linux kernel for kovsky
is good enough for someone to make the effort to pack up a ROM with that kernel,
a bootloader and the android system.
Now, the consensus is the kernel isn't as yet good enough for daily use -
if someone with the skills decides it is and makes a ROM, then they will
obviously do so.
The list of kernel stuff to be fixed is broadcast all over this board and asking kernel devs
to repeat themselves ad nauseum won't get it done any faster

{q} can we get flashable android rom

?????????????????

The Devs are working on this at the moment on some other devices.

It's a Fake! NAND storage is not aviable at Topaz in this moment!

Damn it, I really wish it would be possible already.

As shavenyaknz posted, devs are working on a flashable ROM for Rhodium. Considering the huge similarities between Topaz and Rhod, their work should be easily ported to Topaz when the time comes.
However, right now the project relies on windows to initialize a good deal of stuff so that it would work on Android. So it'll take a lot of work to succeed in making the Kernel initialize everything properly.

HD2 can do it , we can too

Winmo is better
Windows mobile is better than android any day of the week, unless you are at least half retarded. just enjoy the fact that WinMo is built by a talented company and not an overnight internet fad corp and shut the hell up! Anything Android can do, WinMo can do better. ipso facto. end of story.

Uuuh no, that is all based on opinion. Sure, the windows mobile os is cleaner and has other benefits (including, if you have HTC) HTC sense UI, but nowadays, people want a phone that can do anything, and, even you would admit, windows mobile has far fewer apps then Android (official ones at least) and Android is becoming quite common among the smartphone croud. I like microsoft, but even I think they kinda dropped the ball on this one. However, I do think that Windows Phone 7 is a step in the right direction.

HTC OS
Hey i had this idea for a few days but only now i found a chat where i can ask it. Is there Symbian os for HTC devices?; and if there is where can i find it(if there isn't then why???)

thoughtunleashed said:
Anything Android can do, WinMo can do better.
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So why doesn't it?? If it did we wouldn't be lusting after android.

thoughtunleashed said:
Windows mobile is better than android any day of the week, unless you are at least half retarded. just enjoy the fact that WinMo is built by a talented company and not an overnight internet fad corp and shut the hell up! Anything Android can do, WinMo can do better. ipso facto. end of story.
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Are you for real?

The problem on my topaz is, that the data.img gets too big to fit in the phone-storage. I cooked a WM6.1 ROM without any HTC-devices and the there was still not enough space on the device.
Maybe the developers of xdandroid try to change the internal links for data.img to the storage device. This could work

inselstaat said:
The problem on my topaz is, that the data.img gets too big to fit in the phone-storage. I cooked a WM6.1 ROM without any HTC-devices and the there was still not enough space on the device.
Maybe the developers of xdandroid try to change the internal links for data.img to the storage device. This could work
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maybe a 128M data.img will do

thoughtunleashed said:
Windows mobile is better than android any day of the week, unless you are at least half retarded. just enjoy the fact that WinMo is built by a talented company and not an overnight internet fad corp and shut the hell up! Anything Android can do, WinMo can do better. ipso facto. end of story.
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GPS connects better on android, so not everything by windows is better.

Android is better. I've been winmobile ever since the Orange SPV and imho Android ****s all over winmobile (except 7). I can't wait until I can flash android on my TD2, tho I'll probably have saved up the cash for an HD7 by then!

txtter said:
HD2 can do it , we can too
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HD2 is the best HTC device ever!
TD2 is like wannabe... But stillt would like to have android running from nand. hd2 running it that way seems to bee very stable and fast, also with sense ui. looking forward

txtter said:
HD2 can do it , we can too
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Who is this "we" you are exactly referring to?

"TD2 is like wannabe" What??????
wavesshock said:
HD2 is the best HTC device ever!
TD2 is like wannabe... But stillt would like to have android running from nand. hd2 running it that way seems to bee very stable and fast, also with sense ui. looking forward
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The HD2 is the bigger version of the TD2
I have the TD2 befor HTC made the HD2
Now I have the Desire and gave the TD2 to my wife. And she want now to have the Android in the TD2 too.

wavesshock said:
HD2 is the best HTC device ever!
TD2 is like wannabe... But stillt would like to have android running from nand. hd2 running it that way seems to bee very stable and fast, also with sense ui. looking forward
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my only phone upgrade will ever be an hd2 i am not switching os's.... ive tried them all... seriouslly all!!!
i am only slightly tempted by WP7...
im gonna buy enough HD2's to last me the rest of my life...

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