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Why bn didn't allow side loading apps

My nook color is rooted and I am downloading aps. It's been a lot of fun and I thank others for their work.
What I have found, is about 2/3 of the apps don't work properly on the nook. The biggest problem is the not having the menu button on the nc. You get into a program with no way to get out. I accidentally put nook in full screen mode using opera. I had to uninstall. With thousands of android programs out there, with only a small percent worth anything and still able to function on the nook, what a night mare.
There have been other problems as well. After reading nc forums on the bn site I can just imagine what a head ache it would be for bn to handle all the problems, both on line and in the store.
I've tried several pdf readers and they all have their issues. Ironically the one I like the best is one I think is buried on the nook already. It shows up as a option when I use explorer to start pdf file. It's just one of the issues bn is dealing with and it may be more of a problem of android apps not being up to the grade than it is a problem of the nook.
The nook is not particularly aimed at computer expects. Knowing how to download books from bn is about all that's need knowledge wise, and this is another problem for bn if they opened up the nook. Personally, and I think this is the case with most people at xda, I cannot stand to be protected against myself. Let me muck it up, but don't close it up.
Woody

All good and valid points but you need to keep in mind that this wasn't intended to be anything more than a book reader with internet access. It is a direct competitor to Kindle not any Android tablets out there. Hence the stripped down OS. Out of the box this is a pretty neat device. Rooted, it opens itself up to a world of possibilities.

I suspect that the BN people wouldn't be too pleased to see people walking around with the Android Kindle app running on their Nook

woodsonmh said:
My nook color is rooted and I am downloading aps. It's been a lot of fun and I thank others for their work.
What I have found, is about 2/3 of the apps don't work properly on the nook. The biggest problem is the not having the menu button on the nc. You get into a program with no way to get out. I accidentally put nook in full screen mode using opera. I had to uninstall. With thousands of android programs out there, with only a small percent worth anything and still able to function on the nook, what a night mare.
There have been other problems as well. After reading nc forums on the bn site I can just imagine what a head ache it would be for bn to handle all the problems, both on line and in the store.
I've tried several pdf readers and they all have their issues. Ironically the one I like the best is one I think is buried on the nook already. It shows up as a option when I use explorer to start pdf file. It's just one of the issues bn is dealing with and it may be more of a problem of android apps not being up to the grade than it is a problem of the nook.
The nook is not particularly aimed at computer expects. Knowing how to download books from bn is about all that's need knowledge wise, and this is another problem for bn if they opened up the nook. Personally, and I think this is the case with most people at xda, I cannot stand to be protected against myself. Let me muck it up, but don't close it up.
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If you haven't realize already, BN sold the NC as an eReader not a tablet. If they sell it as a tablet with this specs, it wouldn't cost $250. It would be a lot more, like $400.

B&N marketed it as a reader - it doesnt change the fact that its still one of the best tablets out on the market. In this day and age, anyone who thinks their android powered devices arent going to be opened up past what they were configured to do from stock is foolish.

After talking to a manager at my local B&N Store, she told me that B&N is opening up a B&N Market for the NOOKColor. End of January.

Now the question, will the b&n app maket be closed to the us only like ther bookstore or will it be truly open?

How else would you get such good hardware for $250? B&N wants you to buy content from them so they can make some money, not other sources. That's why they have to have control. Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nook Color was at least $300-400.

the softbuttons fix on the dev pages will alleviate the no exit pain.
But the reason this is not an "open" device is exactly what people have said above.....BN locked it down so you have to buy their books....that's how they can offer such an amazing piece of HW at such a low cost.
LOSS LEADER!

I mean, I have no problem with buying books from their online store in order to support the device. that was one of the main reasons I bought this thing. books, Magazines, and newspapers, cheap, and delivered to my device so that they don't take up my limited dorm space. (ugh.... Dorms.....)

No matter the reason its simply the nook color appeals to people who want a little more out of an E-Reader. I originally bought mine JUST because I liked the E-Reader aspect and the Internet aspect... None of the root stuff made a big deal with me (infact I only added them because I like widgets) but if it was a "real" tablet, wouldnt it have the market place, which if i recall sorts apps by modules on your phone... so if you cant install something lets say "Dungeon Hunter HD" it wont appear in "the app store" dispite it being there. so... Wouldnt that make your point invalid for the most part?
as far as why they wanted a E-Reader to appeal to a mass market which had a bit more than the normal and gives you a little emph

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I mean, I have no problem with buying books from their online store in order to support the device. that was one of the main reasons I bought this thing. books, Magazines, and newspapers, cheap, and delivered to my device so that they don't take up my limited dorm space. (ugh.... Dorms.....)
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Man, I totally get your pain. Too bad the e-reader market didn't mature until I basically graduated (though part of it was my fault too, kind of forgot about books with all the booze, parties and school, a shame really). And I had to switch dorms every year too.
From the teardowns I've seen the NOOKcolor isn't a loss leader per se, but there's barely any profit in it either. *shrug* B&N isn't The 'Charitable Foundation for the Promotion of Tablet Computing and Fair Use of Electronic Devices' - they're a Fortune 500 company, at that.

B&N to block rooting on future devices?

Was browsing through and saw this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939589
Went to it and just saw an update at CNET.
"Update: The latest rumor, once again courtesy of Good E-Reader, is that the reason for the temporary unavailability is that Barnes & Noble is in the process of installing an anti-rooting "fix" for the Nook Color because people have been hacking the device to run a custom version of the Android-based firmware. That custom firmware allows users to access and download apps from the Android Marketplace, including competing e-reading apps such as Kindle and Kobo. If a significant percentage of Nook Color buyers are doing this, it presents a problem for Barnes & Noble (Sony doesn't like to talk about it but it had major issues with the PSP being hacked). Good E-Reader cites a "Barnes & Noble source" in mentioning the rumor, but to be clear, we don't know if there's any truth to it or not, and we're not sure how Barnes & Noble would truly be able to lock the device down."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20030475-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
Watcha think? Fact or Fiction?

Fiction. The NOOKcolor has WAY too many hardware issues. I went through 4 NC's to get a good screen. My latest works but the USB is near impossible to plug-in. I have to maneuver it so it's plugged in at an angle and then it finally slips in and begins charging. I really believe this is a quiet hardware recall. Even the BN Associate at store told me they rushed these things out because they knew how great the demand was.
Besides, what could they possibly do to stop the rooting of these devices? That would involve a hardware modification. And why would they shoot their golden goose? It's not like it's costing them 3G data, the fact this thing can be a Android Tablet is THEE reason so many are selling. It's not like we're all avid readers.

racks11479 said:
Was browsing through and saw this thread.
Watcha think? Fact or Fiction?
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Are you really this stupid?
The Nook Color can be rooted and Kindle reader can be installed. So let's say a random dude is deciding between a Kindle and a Nook Color. He can get a Kindle and read Kindle books or get a Nook Color, root it, read BN books AND Kindle books. Guess what, BN just got another $249.
AYRTS?

I was thinkin' along the same lines. And from what I've read through the forums. Most people that root their devices end up downloading the B&N Nook Shop app to use anyways.

I gotta admit that it would be really silly for them to lock it down. They have probably made more sales in the fact that it makes such a great inexpensive android tablet alone. To lock it down would kill sales in one major area where they are most likely racking in the most money.

redking79 said:
Are you really this stupid?
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Wow, God forbid he ask other people's opinions. I guess he should rely on the clear headed logical thinking of corporate America. Why don't we all have that level of faith in businesses to do the right thing?
Go take a cold shower.

redking79 said:
Are you really this stupid?
The Nook Color can be rooted and Kindle reader can be installed. So let's say a random dude is deciding between a Kindle and a Nook Color. He can get a Kindle and read Kindle books or get a Nook Color, root it, read BN books AND Kindle books. Guess what, BN just got another $249.
AYRTS?
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Really? If I am coming off as "AYRTS"
Then let me apologize for trying to start a conversation amongst the wonderful community that we have here at XDA. No need to go that route.
But I do appreciate your input. Thank you.

Realistically, how many generic end users, the ACTUAL target audience for an e-reader, is going to root and screw around with the device..? Way less than 1%, probably not even 1/10th of that.......
The people who DO probably bought the device BECAUSE it can be played with which means B+N got more hardware sales.
B+N sells books, they don't have an "App Store" or it's ilk so no revenue stream there and consequently no real financial incentive for the ever futile attempts to stop jail breaking as performed by a certain fruit themed company.
I have rooted and played with my NC AND bought books from B+N and will continue to do so. F*king people like me off is all downside for them.
Now that doesn't mean some suit in Marketing and Sales at B+N with an MBA and a serious coke habit wouldn't get a stiffie by screwing over the buying public.......

everalm said:
B+N sells books, they don't have an "App Store" or it's ilk so no revenue stream there and consequently no real financial incentive for the ever futile attempts to stop jail breaking as performed by a certain fruit themed company.
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B&N actually has plans to start an App Store. So maybe they are concerned about the competition. But still, like you mentioned the number of people who root it are far less than the people who bought an eReader. Hell, I bought the eReader and found out about it's potential later. 95% of people are never going to do anything to it but get the B&N updates.
Source: http://techpinger.com/2010/12/barnes-and-noble-nook-color-app-store-coming-in-early-2011/
Yes, it's a terrible source but I've read it elsewhere too.

On top of that, there's also the question of how much profit they make by selling the eBook reader by itself. And they also don't have to support rooted users.

My whole family pretty much has a nook color. And we all purchased it without knowing the fact that it could be rooted. But after I rooted mine. Everyone wanted theirs rooted as well. I have mine running Nookie Froyo. And I still buy my books from B&N. The rest of my family is on the stock rooted and they love the device that much more. And they too use the B&N shop. They just enjoy the extra features this little device is capable of performing.
As "everalm" put it. "F*king people like me off is all downside for them."
I'll second that notion.

How hard would it be to strap us with eFuze?
Homer

Honestly, it would be in BN's best interest to do this. Having Kindle, Kobo, Amazon, etc.... all on one device with a 7 inch screen is awesome for the consumer and terrible for BN. Plus, when they roll out their app store, they'd have to compete with the Google Marketplace plus any 3rd party sources. They don't want to do this and I can't blame them. Why would you want Amazon competing with you on your own (supposedly proprietary) device?

@ anon
Simple cost/benefit analysis
How many sales are B+N ACTUALLY losing when less than 1% of NC's are rooted AND most of those people are still buying from B+N..?
How much time, effort and energy will B+N have to buy from OTHER people to try and block rooting etc.....?
How often will they then have to do it AGAIN when their blocking gets broken AGAIN...?
Rinse and repeat
Remember B+N make money ON BOOK SALES, their profit on that is waaaaaay higher than some poxy App Store that would never compete with Google Market
All downside, no upside

As I posted in another thread, B&N has a huge problem with NookColor microUSB's and I suspect the factory has made a 'running change' to the microUSB and now has a temporary parts shortage .. eating all those microUSB returns has gotta hurt plus it is creating a potentially large 'refurb' market that will drain new unit sales ... as others have said and other device suppliers have learned, blocking root consumes lots of resources but always fails ... but really who knows what they are doing ..

I want to say this -
For one, i think people are downplaying the "XDA Effect". The rooted NC booting honeycomb didn't just make "geek" news, it made mainstream news, and got ALOT of people interested. I suspect it is easily more than 1%. And of that new interest, very little of it will be in the actual "eReader" portion. Which brings me to my second point..
The hardware in our nook is not cheap people, and we need to understand that. Yes, there are build issues, but lets put that aside, and look at just the hardware. We have:
A 7" 1024x600 IPS screen - This is NOT cheap; can you think of any other device this cheap that has such a high quality screen?
A Ti OMAP3621 CPU
PowerVR SGX530 GPU
8GB Flash ROM
512MB RAM
4000mAh battery
802.11 b/g/n wifi
Quite honestly, this thing easily matches consumer cell phones in specs (Droid incredible, Droid X/2). That may not sound good at first, but keep in mind, the retail on those cell phones is $450-500+... There are very few devices with these specs for this cheap.
Which all of this leads me to think - the hardware itself is a loss leader. B&N is expecting users to buy these, and then buy plenty of books to make their profit. If the numbers of these devices sold keep rising, but no associated B&N book sales come in, i would not be surprised if they feel that they have to do something.
Now, i think they will be making the biggest mistake they could possibly be making IF they did lock it down with an eFuse, as word of mouth from disgruntled buyers is hard to kill. It is easy to look past some build quality issues BECAUSE of just how versatile the device is otherwise. If you take that away, you might find bigger problems....

For some reason I don't see the inventory nor engineering available to fix this issue in 2 weeks.
Do you really think this company has the resources to design / build / deploy and retrofit a hardware solution? With little to no internal or beta testing? In a 2 week timespan? "Hey Mr. chip supplier, I need 2 million of these efuses made for my hardware overnight, I'll pay the additional shipping, kthnx".
Lets say they go the hardware lockout way and they make one tiny mistake this next 2 weeks, suddenly ALL the nooks are dead.
If anything it will be a software solution, making sure they are updating all nooks to a "unrootable" OS that will be promptly hacked by XDA in less then a week.
If anything they will design better hardware lockouts (ala Motorola) for the next generation Nook.
I'm hoping at least, I was waiting on a paycheck at the end of this week to free up enough money to run down to my local B+N and pick up a NC for the explicit reason of running 3.0.

So I've been putting off getting the NC for a while, but if there is ANY chance this could lead to serious setbacks in the rooting process I might be motivated to go get one immediately. And I realize the rationale behind B&N NOT trying to block root access, but I know first hand how little rationality goes into some of these major corporate decisions.
I might at least grab one, then keep an eye out for news during the 14-day return period. If there's a major fix or break that might help me decide whether or not to exchange or keep.
Thoughts?

Re: BN blocking rooting - This is a good thought but i'd say people who root probably make up < 5% of nc buyers
As to whether they will fix the hw - very unlikely they will physically change 100k let alone 500k units located in mmany different locations
I think the hold is to wait until some sotware is ready they can push as people turn on their nc for the first time
Miht it be some tie in between the market and the bn shop? Would make sense they get a cut of items sold on the market usin their device rooted or not

You do realize that nothing says they have to retrofit all the old devices in two weeks right? ***IF*** they were planning on something like this, it is possible it has been in the pipes for longer, and that NEW hardware is just replacing the old.
No, i don't believe they are doing this at all, but to say it is impossible is also foolish..

[Q] Are the new Nook Color's hackable?

http://www.androidcentral.com/barnes-noble-pulling-nook-color-ready-anti-root-measures
My friend recently broke my Nook hacked to all hell, but he has a friend that works at Wal-mart. We can get it replaced with a new nook color, but according to that article, the new ones may not be hackable. Is this true? Please help.

Bogus rumor is bogus.

Theowb4 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/barnes-noble-pulling-nook-color-ready-anti-root-measures
My friend recently broke my Nook hacked to all hell, but he has a friend that works at Wal-mart. We can get it replaced with a new nook color, but according to that article, the new ones may not be hackable. Is this true? Please help.
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A) Check the date on the article: Thursday, Feb 3, 2011. If this was true, you'd see plenty of threads discussing rooting post-Feb 3rd Nooks.
B) It clearly explains at the very top of the article that any anti-hacking measures were totally false:
Update: sources from Barnes & Noble have stated (unofficially) that this was merely due to a brief supply shortage of Nook Colors. It looks like this was most likely a false alarm and they'll keep happily selling you Nook Colors.
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Thank goodness. I wasn't sure either; and I'm still fearful of the upcoming upgrade. It would stink if they disabled the SD boot.

I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that the ability to boot from SD first is a hardware setting, not a software option. No amount of B&N firmare/OS updates or changes can take that option away - it would require cracking open the machine and changing some hardware configuration. That was the basis for some of the rumors regarding the supply shortage some months agao - that they were pulling all of their floor stock to make this change and re-supply with non-SD-bootable devices. This obviously did not come to pass. So unless they start quietly producing machines with a new hardware configuration there is nothing to worry about.
Besides, if you just install one of the custom ROMs available then all of the updates become a non-issue. CM7 is coming along nicely - I was a firm backer of rooted stock 2.1 until the past week or so. Flashed CM7 and am quite happy with it so far.
Cheers

That's all totally untrue. Ibjust bought. NC two days ago and rooted it with AN 3.0. When i was talking to the girl who sold me it she asked if i had any questions or wanted to play around with it and i politely replied "no i just want to root it", to which she responded with "they've made some changes so that people might not be able to root these" and i just laughed and said yeah i have more faith inbthe android dev community than some dev who works at B&N.
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cigarsnscotch said:
That's all totally untrue. Ibjust bought. NC two days ago and rooted it with AN 3.0. When i was talking to the girl who sold me it she asked if i had any questions or wanted to play around with it and i politely replied "no i just want to root it", to which she responded with "they've made some changes so that people might not be able to root these" and i just laughed and said yeah i have more faith inbthe android dev community than some dev who works at B&N.
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Just goes to show how retail people are always so uninformed about technology.

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Just goes to show how retail people are always so uninformed about technology.
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Yea. Until they make the unit stop booting off the SDcard first the sky is the limit.

B&N has no reason to not want root. I bet they made the SD card boot first so that it was easy to root. Think about it this way...the more people that want to hack it, the more people that will buy it...if it was just a pure e-reader, I doubt they would have had the sales numbers they have. Also, it is most likely possible for them to send a OTA update and stop SD boot (as it is imprinted on the hardware, but can still be changed by software) but again, I doubt they'd ever want to do that.

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B&N has no reason to not want root. I bet they made the SD card boot first so that it was easy to root. Think about it this way...the more people that want to hack it, the more people that will buy it...if it was just a pure e-reader, I doubt they would have had the sales numbers they have. Also, it is most likely possible for them to send a OTA update and stop SD boot (as it is imprinted on the hardware, but can still be changed by software) but again, I doubt they'd ever want to do that.
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I tend to agree with you on that. I and several I know would have never considered a Nook Color if it weren't easily rooted. I picked one up a new one last week and rooted it with AN 3 the minute I got home (so to the OP, there's another confirmation for you that they're still rootable).
I think B&N's intention is primarily to sell these cheaply to get you to buy digital books (which are seriously over-priced) ala the give away the razor and make money off the replacement blades model. It's working somewhat with me...I never would have bought an digital book or magazine from B&N, but I've got my eye on a few when I have a chance to actually read a book..

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I tend to agree with you on that. I and several I know would have never considered a Nook Color if it weren't easily rooted. I picked one up a new one last week and rooted it with AN 3 the minute I got home (so to the OP, there's another confirmation for you that they're still rootable).
I think B&N's intention is primarily to sell these cheaply to get you to buy digital books (which are seriously over-priced) ala the give away the razor and make money off the replacement blades model. It's working somewhat with me...I never would have bought an digital book or magazine from B&N, but I've got my eye on a few when I have a chance to actually read a book..
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I am also one of these people that would have never bought the nook if it wasn't rootable, but it's not helping BN any cause I don't buy their books either

hxh103 said:
I am also one of these people that would have never bought the nook if it wasn't rootable, but it's not helping BN any cause I don't buy their books either
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Well that is still helping B&N in two ways:
1 - What is called "economy of scale". It costs less per processor to buy 100,000 than to buy 10,000. So, if they break even on all the rooted Nooks, they save money on all the rest, or lower their selling price on all the rest, making more attractive to book readers.
2 - It raises the visibility of the Nook Color and B&N ereaders in general. Note that WSJ article about how rooting the NC gets you a bargain tablet. No doubt that that article also ended up selling some NC's to people who just want to read books bought from B&N.
The Nook rooting community is a big publicity machine for B&N, and e-books are still so new that any market share gained now is worth a lot in the future.

But the thing is, assuming they ARE at least breaking even on these "razors", then WHY has no one else been able to bring out a 7" capacitive tablet in anything like this price point?
I still feel (without any evidence) that they may be close to losing money on these and are really counting on the book sales, and that therefore future anti-rooting measures are still a possibility. Just fear and speculation on my part though...

xdabr said:
But the thing is, assuming they ARE at least breaking even on these "razors", then WHY has no one else been able to bring out a 7" capacitive tablet in anything like this price point?
I still feel (without any evidence) that they may be close to losing money on these and are really counting on the book sales, and that therefore future anti-rooting measures are still a possibility. Just fear and speculation on my part though...
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They can bring it out, but don't, because unlike B&N, have no further revenue after the purchase. B&N can afford to be lower, because they know that even if not all of them buy books, a good majority will buy some, now and in the future. Other tablet makers are SOL; once their device is sold, they are out of it, unless they can get some good accessories, etc...

Yeah, I'm almost surprised they let you leave the store without registering the device, like when buying a cell phone. I think we even paid cash. It's great for the consumer though! (I guess it's kind of sad that today a store letting you buy something without strings and gotchas is a source of unexpected joy.)

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Yeah, I'm almost surprised they let you leave the store without registering the device, like when buying a cell phone. I think we even paid cash. It's great for the consumer though! (I guess it's kind of sad that today a store letting you buy something without strings and gotchas is a source of unexpected joy.)
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That's mainly for the cellular aspect. You can actually buy a Xoom with cash and walk out without registering it. Might not be as easy as the Nook was (fastest I'd ever spent 250 bucks on a piece of electronics), but still possible.
Blocking Root is still possible, but not probable. Like one person said, they are making good money on their ebook sales AND the sales of the device so that's why the price point can be lower.

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I am also one of these people that would have never bought the nook if it wasn't rootable, but it's not helping BN any cause I don't buy their books either
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Likewise. Ironically enough, I don't really read books much anymore. But it was because I got the Nook Color to hack as a tablet, that I was curious about downloading a book from the Nook store. Both me and B&N are happy. They make the money they need to offset the price of the NC, and I get the tablet I wanted.

Small note about buying used Nook Colors off eBay, etc.

Hey guys,
Just as a note: the Nook Color has a 1 year warranty. Because of this, even if your Nook Color that you got off eBay (or wherever) has issues, just call (800) THE-BOOK ((800) 843-2665) and they'll replace it for you for free. They'll cross-ship it to you in a maximum of 3 days (YMMV) and you can just ship the old one back in the box that the new one comes in. They'll give you a shipping label for free and everything.
The Nook Color you get is certified pre-owned, which is good enough for me. (and CM7)
I don't know what the threshold is for them (B&N) to say "NO." (e.g., your Nook is totaled) Can anyone comment?

One thing to add to this. I bought a Nook Color from an Ebay seller. The Nook Color was a Walmart open box return and had been registered to who ever tried it out and then returned it.
Required to calls to B&N support to get it registered. First person sounded new and would not deviate from the script. The second person I got understood the issue and got the old registration removed. I was then able to register without any issues. The seller said he had another buyer with the same problem.
Just be aware that a used/open box may already be registered and cause you issues.
--bill

You know, I had the same thing! I called in because my SD card slot didn't work. They wanted me to verify the information they had on-file for that Nook. Even though I had registered the Nook my information wasn't in their system, which was really odd. I waited and I called back again to confirm that the older owner's info was still in there. Magically, my info was fine and in their system! They gave me the ol' chestnut about how their systems are slow to update...bah!

Yep. BN is really good with this. I actually screwed the power button and they replaced it. I also broke the cable 3 times and they gave me a new one each time. Also registration was down one day so I called them up and they fixed it up for me

I also asked them about warranties. They mentioned that they will honor the longer warranty. For example, my NC's original owner bought it in November of 2010, thus the warranty expires November 2011. A pre-owned NC (which I got) gets a 90-day warranty. My replacement falls under the longer warranty. Sweet!

The pre-owned nook has a 1-year warranty and a 90 day phone support, at least if you get it certified from B&N.

Tytanius said:
The pre-owned nook has a 1-year warranty and a 90 day phone support, at least if you get it certified from B&N.
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I am assuming that's if you get a Pre-Owned Nook Color directly from Barnes & Noble. I got my Pre-Owned Nook Color as a replacement for another Nook Color so things are a little different for me. Just clarifying for others that may be reading.

I got in on the Overstock.com refirb deal and after a couple of weeks, mine got really flaky about being handled. If I touched the back of unit, 50% chance it would reboot. I called BN and they sent a new unit advanced exchange. The only thing I lost was a screen protector.
I was pretty impressed with their customer service.
YMMV,
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I bought mine pre-owned and it was previously registered. The 2 people i talked to refused to delete the previous owners registration and refused to warranty my nook. Gave me a real sour experience for B&N.

quepaso said:
I bought mine pre-owned and it was previously registered. The 2 people i talked to refused to delete the previous owners registration and refused to warranty my nook. Gave me a real sour experience for B&N.
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Sorry to hear that. You can easily overwrite that by just going through the stock registration. That will associate that NC's serial number with your B&N account, and thus you.

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Sorry to hear that. You can easily overwrite that by just going through the stock registration. That will associate that NC's serial number with your B&N account, and thus you.
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Seriously? So if i returned the nook to stock, and did the registration on it, i'd get warranty on it? I might try that if so, but would i have to re-do clockwork to get stock OS on it or can i do it from a SD card?

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Seriously? So if i returned the nook to stock, and did the registration on it, i'd get warranty on it? I might try that if so, but would i have to re-do clockwork to get stock OS on it or can i do it from a SD card?
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Yup. Speaking of which, does anyone know of a way to run the B&N registration from a 3rd party ROM?

I can somewhat concur. I went through 2 NCs before finally settling on a third. The first one had a bad pixel or cluster of pixels, the second had either bad pixels or a bunch of dust under the screen plus a wonky touchscreen, and finally the third just has dust under the screen. We had to call in for the first two and after a little bit of a runaround and at least 30 minutes of being instructed to turn off the Nook, turn it back on, yada yada, they finally agreed to send out a new one and placing a temporary charge on our credit card. Overall, I guess it's not too bad, but I've gone through 3 different NCs and none are "perfect" -- this last one just having a bit of dust stuck under the screen.
The thing that got us miffed was when we tried to just exchange the NCs in store. We bought them online from B&N's storefront, why not just exchange them in store, right? NOOOO -- we got treated so rudely, like we were thieves trying to pull a fast one, just for buying a Nook FROM B&N's storefront and wanting to get one that works correctly and not have to wait several more days, go through another tedious phone call, and get another temporary charge placed on our card.
In the end, the NC is probably worth it, but I can't say I've been overwhelmed by B&N's support. I have half a mind to try returning this current one, but it seems like a gamble as to whether the replacements are any better. I feel bad complaining about B&N when the hardware is pretty nice, but it was nearly a month before I actually got to settle in with my NC, let alone being hassled so much throughout the process.

I agree that not having an exchange right there in-store is complete BS. Sorry to hear your luck. Maybe I'm just lucky with tech?

I had a NC that would not successfully complete the registration process. I bought it used off of Craigslist. I took it to a nearby B&N store and worked with a tech for about a half an hour. They ended up replacing it with a preowned model they had in stock.
I would suggest that if you fail at one store, ti might be worth going to another i (if you live in a larger city)

Blacklisted

I've got a Nook that was blacklisted. Is there any way around it so the device can be used?

I don't really know what 'blacklisted' means, but I am sure you can still put CM7 on it, which is vastly superior to the original Nook firmware.
Try it I think you will like it.

Blacklisted; so it was reported stolen? Can you clarify your situation?
Sent from my NookColor using xda premium

And how did you get that?

Unfortunately, it was reported stolen, but wasn't actually. I don't think I'll be able to root it, as Manual Nooter indicates it requires a registered Nook.

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Unfortunately, it was reported stolen, but wasn't actually. I don't think I'll be able to root it, as Manual Nooter indicates it requires a registered Nook.
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Just put CM7 on it.....

Pope Viper said:
Unfortunately, it was reported stolen, but wasn't actually. I don't think I'll be able to root it, as Manual Nooter indicates it requires a registered Nook.
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How was it reported stolen? Can't the person who report it un-report it? If it really wasn't stolen there has to be a way to clear up its records....

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How was it reported stolen? Can't the person who report it un-report it? If it really wasn't stolen there has to be a way to clear up its records....
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Maybe it "fell off the back of a truck."

That is likely, as I bought it "second hand", and TBH, I'm not sure what the source was.
Anyway, while looking around I found what could be a couple of options.
http://nookdevs.com/NookColor/Rooting/Eclair
Before rooting, you need to complete BN's registration process, you will not be able to link your NC to your BN account to buy books after rooting. Do Not Proceed with Rooting unless the Nook is Registered, You will not be prompted to register with BN once you have completed the Root Process.
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This I'm not worried about, as I don't intend to buy anything thing from BN.
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook/8034-nook-color-registration-3.html
The comments you see about unregistering the device before you root is in case you were NOT the original owner. I know it's not clear, but a registered device IS required before root if you are planning to stay on the stock B&N software, otherwise the device will not connect to your B&N account and you won't be able to purchase books from B&N and won't have access to already purchased books.
However, if you are going to root just so you can load a custom (non B&N rom - 1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.1.0) then you can skip the registration because you're not going have the B&N software. Once on a custom ROM you can download the Nook app from the market and connect that way.
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That is likely, as I bought it "second hand", and TBH, I'm not sure what the source was.
Anyway, while looking around I found what could be a couple of options.
http://nookdevs.com/NookColor/Rooting/Eclair
This I'm not worried about, as I don't intend to buy anything thing from BN.
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook/8034-nook-color-registration-3.html
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http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Factory_Mode/Skip_Out_of_Box_Experience
Skip registration.

Perfect, thanks so much for posting that. I knew there was a similar system for the Touch, but wasn't sure on the NC

Mine has never been registered and I have CM7 on it.

Worked like a charm, thanks guys!

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Perfect, thanks so much for posting that. I knew there was a similar system for the Touch, but wasn't sure on the NC
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No prob. I lost my login info after a flash and didn't feel like dealing with trying to recover my account. Then I came across the nookdevs site. That place has some useful info/workarounds for the nook.

I'm not sure what the law is where you live regarding receiving stolen merchandise, but you might want to check into it. Best case if it is stolen and if the police trace it to you and you can show a receipt or tell them who you bought it from, you loose the Nook (Regardless of what you paid, unless you bought it from a dealer, (B&N),it belongs to the person it was stolen from or the insurance company) , worst they arrest you and make you prove where you got it in which case you will probably rackup more than $250 in legal fees.
Each network device has a unique MAC address, and the Nooks may have a serial number burried in the firmware. I wouldn't want to use something that might be stolen and sending a unique identifier out on the internet. It's certainly not worth saving $250 in my opinion.
Chances are it isn't worth enough to be a problem unless they are looking at you for something else, or someone sends them your way. Unfortunately, you just never know. It's always worth paying more to know for sure somethings not stolen.
Now that I think of it, if the Wi-Fi is on, I believe that MAC address is visible anywhere within range of the nook. I would stay from Google Street View cars if I were you, last I heard thery were recording all that information that was within range of their cars. Kind of makes you think......

I appreciate it, I followed up with the guy I bought it from, and apparently he tried to root, hosed it, and tried to get it replaced, obviously he was being dishonest about it.
I called BN, and got the real story, and while they apologized for the "deceptive purchase" I made, I got the thing for 150.00.
I have successfully rooted it, and have CM7 installed.

I upgrade my Rom Manager to the premium product, and it's prompting me for the Phone type. What would I select for the Nook?

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I appreciate it, I followed up with the guy I bought it from, and apparently he tried to root, hosed it, and tried to get it replaced, obviously he was being dishonest about it.
I called BN, and got the real story, and while they apologized for the "deceptive purchase" I made, I got the thing for 150.00.
I have successfully rooted it, and have CM7 installed.
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You went through a lot of trouble for a used Nook Color. You could have bought a refurbished one from B&N directly for $149 with a 1-year warranty and save yourself all the hassle.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/certified-pre-owned-nookcolor/379002680/

Eh, it's a spare for my first one, so I'm not worried about it. Learning experience.