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Can someone make a type of Cydia/Installous for the g1
Would be nice... but why do G1 owners always forget there's more than the G1 G1 is a relatively small part of something huge, Android.
One of the apps I'd want as well, cyadia seconded
i know but it would still be nice to have free paid apps
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i know but it would still be nice to have free paid apps
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You miss the whole point of Cydia. Cydia was created as an alternative repository of apps which didn't have to obey Apple's restrictive rules or nonsensical approval process.
As for installous, there is really no need to "crack" G1 apps, as anyone can pull non-protected apps out of their flash and post them online. Protected apps are similiarly vulnerable for root users. This is as far as I am going to discuss the matter, so ill just conclude with:
1) Think about the programmers that are writing these apps. A lot of them really are struggling to put food on their dinner tables.
2) Your initial post betrays a complete lack of knowledge of both the Cydia system as well as the Android app philosophy.
3) Discussing the piracy of apps is explicitly forbidden by xda rules. Please respect them if you wish to participate in the community.
What I can get after jailbreaking HD7 ?
Can someone list a possabilities for me?
Today I bought HD7, so I know notning `bout HTC phones and so.
And if I can download pirated HTC games, can someone give me a link where from ? (and don`t give me google.com, I`m just asking for a help).
Thanks !
You can try google.com because nobody in this forum will help you.
Why will nobody help me ?
Becuase this forum is for legitmate people/developers who don't condone piracy. if you want to sh!t on developers you can do that on another site but not here.
But to answer your first question, "unlocking" WP7 will allow you to side-load applications onto the phone, basically giving you developer access to it. It's main use is for people who simply want to play around with developing for the phone without actually paying the $99 to MS. Obviously by "Unlocking" it, you won't be able to sell any applications you make, but it does allow you to install other "Non-approved/signed" applications such as TouchXplorer (look it up).
lol its not because of piracy its because people are pissed doing all the search for newbies just because their too lazy to do the research themselves
True. but Piracey is the legal obsticle here, not people's short temper (mine included).
i dont think temper has anything to do with XDA anymore. Even XDA made an announcement asking people to search.
Coming from HD2 forum im just SICK of looking at the same posts.
The games and apps on WP7 are not expensive so unless you live in a country that does not have Marketplace access why don't you just pay for a game? You can trial practically all of them to make sure it's worth the small charge. And anyway there is a risk that your XBOX live account will be blocked in future if MS finds pirated XBOX live games connected to your phone.
Back to your original question, the best reason I had to jailbreak my phone was simply to change the default search provider from Yahoo back to Bing (O2 branded handset). And in future I'll use jailbreaking to sideload apps that don't meet Marketplace guidelines, such as emulators.
来自DFT team的老爷子在给大家带来7713之后，又要有新的自制rom发布了！
今天在微博上看见老爷子发话了！
DFT黑暗論壇
今天本想發怖新核心的WP7 5種機子的ROM,看這樣子也不必要發啦!辛苦制作給免費使用還得天天看被攻擊得的臉色，我這干啥?自討苦吃還是......
在那里的网络环境很是复杂，某些论坛为了取得私利，不择手段的对其他论坛进行排挤、攻击。
老爷子是无私的、光明正大的为广大WP7用户着想，但是总有一些不该发生的事情发生了。
我们谴责这种攻击行为，希望大家支持老爷子，给予他力量吧！这样我们才能得到发展，广大WP7玩家才能有所收获！
再次谴责那些进行网络恶意攻击的臭虫，希望大家联合起来让那些恶意攻击的人得到惩罚
也希望DFT team早日恢复，为广大WP7用户带来最好的使用体验！
If you are using Google Chrome, you can try to translate into the language you need! thanks！
Today saw the microblogging Father has spoken!
DFT Dark forum
Today, wanted to re-dissemination of the new core WP7 5 种 machine's ROM, look this way and unnecessary send it! Hard to make free use of attack was to have to handle every day the face, my doing? Ask for it or ......
There is a complex network environment, some of the forum in order to obtain self-interest, unscrupulous exclusion of the other forums to attack.
Father is a selfless, honest for the sake of the majority of WP7 users, but there are always some things that happened should not have happened.
We condemn this attack, hope you will support Father, give him strength! So that we can develop, the majority of players can be harvested WP7!
Once again condemns the network of malicious attacks bug, hope to unite those who maliciously attack people to get punished
Hope DFT team early recovery, for the majority of users WP7 best experience!
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楼主这帖子不知道有多少人能看懂:d
在此强烈谴责山寨的xda
有高手进行翻译的，再说了老外看懂了也不能做什么
只是告诉大家一些事情，其实是我们自己知道的
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楼主这帖子不知道有多少人能看懂:d
在此强烈谴责山寨的xda
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Ummmm...what?! Lol..thanks for the translation aclegg2011, but I believe it may need some further translating lol
in a few words, the guy seem to say we need to support the DFT team in place of attacking him in all fronts because soon they will bring us the best WP7 experience.
This should be closed as it will probably lead nowhere but getting some people nervous!
我靠~~ 强帖留名~~~
估计没多少人能看懂吧.... xDD
谴责山寨xda+1~~
what kind of support?
Sorry, but rules are simply clear:
Use English language.
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The newly released apps for Nokia Lumia Series
Works perfectly on my hd7
Thank you for the xap files. They work great on my Omnia 7.
Thanks for sharing. Its working fine in my Omnia W
Works great on HTC Radar c110e thank you
This is equivalent to pirating. And I've said it before, I'll say it again - it's disgusting how XDA has selective treatment with it comes to pirating. Posting apps that are exclusive to other OEMs is the equivalent of stealing, because these apps drive the business for those phones and differentiate them. I really hope this ends soon. At least here.
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This is equivalent to pirating. And I've said it before, I'll say it again - it's disgusting how XDA has selective treatment with it comes to pirating. Posting apps that are exclusive to other OEMs is the equivalent of stealing, because these apps drive the business for those phones and differentiate them. I really hope this ends soon. At least here.
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you already have many homebrew apps which change your OEM marketplace in the phone itself.....so according to you developing a custom ROM with various types of unlock is also piracy?
and mind that XDA has a very good clear policy about piracy!!!
FiyaFleye said:
This is equivalent to pirating. And I've said it before, I'll say it again - it's disgusting how XDA has selective treatment with it comes to pirating. Posting apps that are exclusive to other OEMs is the equivalent of stealing, because these apps drive the business for those phones and differentiate them. I really hope this ends soon. At least here.
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Eh - not really. Nokia distributes the apps for free to the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people who have Nokia phones. And yes, to some degree, the apps drive a small bit of business for Nokia. But if you already own a Samsung Omnia, you're not really taking money out of the pocket of Nokia if you sideload their trailer app to your phone. And I SERIOUSLY doubt there's anyone here reading these threads going "well, I WAS going to go tomorrow to get a Lumia 900, but now that I can sideload the Dark Knight app, I'm going to get a Titan instead!"
I get your point, but I think its being a little too picky, especially with the Dark Knight or Trailers app mentioned here. Now - Nokia Drive.....maybe. That truly is an app worth a tangible dollar amount and could, theoretically, be piracy.
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you already have many homebrew apps which change your OEM marketplace in the phone itself.....so according to you developing a custom ROM with various types of unlock is also piracy?
and mind that XDA has a very good clear policy about piracy!!!
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Actually, XDA has the most selective, BS piracy policy on the net. Most forums are either entirely against or for piracy, XDA decides when to enfore their policies. Example? The HD7 has Windows Phone ROMs floating around this forum. Windows Phone isn't Android, it isn't open source, and it's a licensed OS. None of these HD7 ROMs were licensed and therefore should be banned from here. I understand custom ROMs for actual WP7 devices because hey, at least you bought the device.
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Eh - not really. Nokia distributes the apps for free to the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people who have Nokia phones. And yes, to some degree, the apps drive a small bit of business for Nokia. But if you already own a Samsung Omnia, you're not really taking money out of the pocket of Nokia if you sideload their trailer app to your phone. And I SERIOUSLY doubt there's anyone here reading these threads going "well, I WAS going to go tomorrow to get a Lumia 900, but now that I can sideload the Dark Knight app, I'm going to get a Titan instead!"
I get your point, but I think its being a little too picky, especially with the Dark Knight or Trailers app mentioned here. Now - Nokia Drive.....maybe. That truly is an app worth a tangible dollar amount and could, theoretically, be piracy.
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Problem is that Nokia Drive, Maps, Transit, Navigon, etc have all been available on these boards. I understand the minimal impact of the Dark Knight app, yes, but I'm complaining about the thought process. It happened at the beginning of the WP launch when these apps DID have an impact. And, I'm sorry to tell you, but Nokia's exclusive apps are a BIG part of their success - along with their customer/device support.
Totally agree about the Lumia exclusive app to be banned from the forum, if people surf some Chinese sites to get them, then so be it but xda shouldn't allow such stuff.
I cant believe how "sissified" people have become! I remember back in the day when anything goes! Even on Windows , hell I never bought a key for Windows until a few years ago , sadly most of you so-called open sourcers would rather pay an outfit like redhat a license then do it yourself , even xbox has **** canned cheats ,how weak! If its out there go get it , I bought this phone (and was ripped off,not by the manufacturer but by the carrier) ! Im sick of the crying about piracy ,if you want something on the net you can find it!
This forum is about developing , Im sorry but in order to develop some times you have to cheat to get where you are , anyone remember Tesla?
^ you vote Democrat huh, because you obviously love those handouts. Its disgusting how somebody can condone theft, you'd be *****ing up a storm if it were your product. You'd be the real sissy.
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FiyaFleye said:
Actually, XDA has the most selective, BS piracy policy on the net.
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FiyaFleye, don't try to be holier than the Pope first. Nokia people are monitoring xda daily; they are able to write complain to the xda mods if they found a "piracy" here.
Second, it's not a "General" forum but "Apps & Games"; so don't comment here but open your "blah-blah-blah" topic in General and continue your fight against "BS xda" and "piracy"...
Ok guys... Because the debate raises points on both sides, i am going to close it for now, and confer will colleagues about how to best handle this...
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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You're correct, can't root and you can only sideload apps if you're a developer. No custom roms, no root, your friend's a fandroid who's insecure about their OS.
I think disabling Sideloading is better. Because Wallet services are coming to mobile so chances are high that someone might make app which will hack mobile payment passwords and accounts, using app which people sideload. This might make android insecure, when making NFC payments.
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Disable sideloading? And then how are dev supposed to test their apps on their phones ? - the emulator is not a good choice in some cases.
Also, there are no custom roms YET, but I am pretty sure there will be. There's nothing in this world that can be protected from hacking
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Disable sideloading? And then how are dev supposed to test their apps on their phones ? - the emulator is not a good choice in some cases.
Also, there are no custom roms YET, but I am pretty sure there will be. There's nothing in this world that can be protected from hacking
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Developers can unlock their phones. Others can't.
Apourv said:
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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Blocking load of apps is a huge OVERKILL.
Say I wand to write an app, and distribute it freely, and do not want to put it on the market ?
What then ?
Besides that - if the IPhone with all it's locks and vaults can be set to load apps outside the Apple market,
it is safe to say that WinPhone will have the same crack.
Locking the device and limiting the user is a bad thing, and besides alienating your user base it will not do much.
Alienating your user base is never a good tactic, they will leave.
(People who plan to get WinPhone are most likely people who used WinMo - that was totally open to customization and apps from wherever)
Some developers looked into breaking the security on Nokia's WP7 phones and decided it would be to hard but of course there might be ways to do it anyway and allow custom ROMs. Aside from that Marketplace XAPs originally could be modified to be sideloaded on WP7 but this has changed several months ago, when Microsoft started to encrypt the XAP files.
As for modified firmware Microsoft is using Secure Boot to tackle the problem at a much lower level than Android and iOS devices do. Due to that it might be quite some time before anyone figures out a way to do it. And even phones like the HTC One X have not yet been broken (at least the versions that use Nvidias Tegra 3). It was similar with several Sony devices.
But in the end to enable this on a WP8 device it would mean HSPL, CustomROM and modified XAP-Files to allow for pirated Apps. Comparing this to Android where you only modify the APK and allow sideloading using a Checkbox I believe we will a lot more pirated Apps on Android than on WP.
As for: I want to provide my App for free without using the Marketplace - ähm... what would be the benefit to the user? Aside from Hacks they benefit from the fact that Apps are tested for stability, to be Malware-Free and that you can discover them without too much effort right from your phone.
The only thing I believe you're right is that actually lots of people will go for an OS where they can pirate Apps easily. There are enough threads around here were people tell you upfront that they believe that having paid several 100 $ for a device entitles them to get the software for free.
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As for: I want to provide my App for free without using the Marketplace - ähm... what would be the benefit to the user? Aside from Hacks they benefit from the fact that Apps are tested for stability, to be Malware-Free and that you can discover them without too much effort right from your phone.
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Yeah, right.
Like we saw on apple store, and the android market.
(you must be either kidding, or naive)
And as for users thinking paying few 100$ for a device and thinking it entitles them for free apps - well -
people became used to having free programs, and there are many good free programs.
Besides that - I do not support software piracy, but I do believe that you should have the freedom to do whatever you want with the device you payed a lot of good money for, and that the manufacturer should not put you behind bars and in chains, just so they can make more profit from you.
And dont think otherwise - they lock the device for the sole reason of taking some percentage of the money you pay for the apps,
and no other reason.
So every app would have to pass through their, and only their checkout point, and bring them more money.
Android market has no certification process while Apple's and Microsoft's does.
I didn't try to imply that you would want it for the reason of pirating Apps but for most people this is the reason they desire that feature.
But in the end we're talking about the rationale for developers and that is where your (paid) Apps are a lot better protected on WP or iOS than on Android. If this actually benefits you in the case of WP is a different discussion due to the fact that your potential market is smaller. But given that even though Android has a much bigger marketshare than iOS by now developers make a lot more money on iOS it seems the closed marketplaces actually benefit developers in that regard.
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Android market has no certification process while Apple's and Microsoft's does.
I didn't try to imply that you would want it for the reason of pirating Apps but for most people this is the reason they desire that feature.
But in the end we're talking about the rationale for developers and that is where your (paid) Apps are a lot better protected on WP or iOS than on Android. If this actually benefits you in the case of WP is a different discussion due to the fact that your potential market is smaller. But given that even though Android has a much bigger marketshare than iOS by now developers make a lot more money on iOS it seems the closed marketplaces actually benefit developers in that regard.
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The same goes for PC apps.
And people still develop apps for PCs.
This is, in my opinion, some kind of propaganda (not to say brainwash) from the manufacturers,
who's only intent is to make more profit for themselves, and want to recruit the developers for their own goal.
Software piracy have been here since forever, and the software industry has always been growing.
I still hold my opinion that the manufacturer must not have me in chains and behind bars.
I believe the manufacturer must let me do whatever I want with my device.
Let me load whatever apps i want, from any source, and not limit me or force me to pay them more and more money over the life of the device.
I'm not saying that it is not a valid desire to be able to do those things - I said it benefits developers if they are not possible. They don't have to care about piracy that much. And instead of putting together a sophisticated scheme to protect their applications (like they have been doing on the PC for more then a decade) they can concentrate on the actual content.
Do you believe PC games that came on floppy discs asked you about keys from the manual just for fun or to avoid copies? Do you believe the industry moved to CDs only because of the additional space or because they could not be easily copied for quite some time? Does Diablo 3 require an online connection because they could not implement a game that could run on the PC only?
Providing those protections in the OS itself takes a big burden off most developers. The 30 % cut Apple or Microsoft take is a big part of what big companies would earn with their software, given that they already have payment solutions in place and might be able to provide storage and bandwidth cheaper. For Indie developers it would be a lot harder to organize all this.
But instead of answering the question on pirac that thread was about y you're completely missing the point and going on a crusade (and your points from a users perspective definitely are valid).
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Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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There are no WP8 custom ROMs, only WP7, and only for select devices. As far as I know, app piracy was effectively killed off even for a fully "rooted" WP7 device now that the apps come in an encrypted package. WP8 devices with an SD card can sideload apps, but it's a feature, not an illegal act. You get the encrypted package straight from windowsphone.com, and when you sideload it via SD card, it checks with the marketplace to see if you already own this app and if you have purchased it- otherwise you get the trial.
So android is significantly less secure in this area, your friend is wrong.
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I'm not saying that it is not a valid desire to be able to do those things - I said it benefits developers if they are not possible. They don't have to care about piracy that much. And instead of putting together a sophisticated scheme to protect their applications (like they have been doing on the PC for more then a decade) they can concentrate on the actual content.
Do you believe PC games that came on floppy discs asked you about keys from the manual just for fun or to avoid copies? Do you believe the industry moved to CDs only because of the additional space or because they could not be easily copied for quite some time? Does Diablo 3 require an online connection because they could not implement a game that could run on the PC only?
Providing those protections in the OS itself takes a big burden off most developers. The 30 % cut Apple or Microsoft take is a big part of what big companies would earn with their software, given that they already have payment solutions in place and might be able to provide storage and bandwidth cheaper. For Indie developers it would be a lot harder to organize all this.
But instead of answering the question on pirac that thread was about y you're completely missing the point and going on a crusade (and your points from a users perspective definitely are valid).
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Pretty much this.
As a developer, I love the fact that the WP marketplace protects my app from almost anything a hacker can throw at it, because it protects several aspects I invested in the app:
1) Time. A lot of time. I don't like it when people use what I invested months of research and coding for free, just because they are too lazy to search the marketplace, but are devious enough to google the app and download it from some obscure location (the irony).
2) My intellectual property: I've made the app, therefore I should have complete control over who can download it. How would you feel if you invested a lot in a car, and some random people of the street simply gets in and drives your car away?
3)Coding and researching is certainly not an easy task. If it were, then everyone would be a developer. Pirating my app is like asking me to give away my talents for nothing in return.
Although it is extremely easy for outsiders to judge my app and say it is not worth the money, they really have no idea how much time and effort was put into it. It is a service I provide for you, and as with any service you need to pay for it...upfront or by staring at adds.
Considering that without the OEM I would not be able to create the app at all, and you would not be able to use it either, it is only natural for them to ask a percentage of the profit from the app. It is how business works.
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Pretty much this.
As a developer, I love the fact that the WP marketplace protects my app from almost anything a hacker can throw at it, because it protects several aspects I invested in the app:
1) Time. A lot of time. I don't like it when people use what I invested months of research and coding for free, just because they are too lazy to search the marketplace, but are devious enough to google the app and download it from some obscure location (the irony).
2) My intellectual property: I've made the app, therefore I should have complete control over who can download it. How would you feel if you invested a lot in a car, and some random people of the street simply gets in and drives your car away?
3)Coding and researching is certainly not an easy task. If it were, then everyone would be a developer. Pirating my app is like asking me to give away my talents for nothing in return.
Although it is extremely easy for outsiders to judge my app and say it is not worth the money, they really have no idea how much time and effort was put into it. It is a service I provide for you, and as with any service you need to pay for it...upfront or by staring at adds.
Considering that without the OEM I would not be able to create the app at all, and you would not be able to use it either, it is only natural for them to ask a percentage of the profit from the app. It is how business works.
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Comparing an App to a car is totally inappropriate.
If someone drove away in your car, you do not have this car anymore.
If someone installed an app you wrote - well, you still have another copy, and can produce a million more copies.
Som30ne said:
Comparing an App to a car is totally inappropriate.
If someone drove away in your car, you do not have this car anymore.
If someone installed an app you wrote - well, you still have another copy, and can produce a million more copies.
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He has a very simplistic view on piracy, which is what most people who think they're losing something have. It's hard for them to wrap their heads around new concepts like "pirated does not equal lost sales". It's mostly the RIAA's fault that the practice of sharing is deemed amoral and gave it the misnomer: "piracy". Actual sales lost because of piracy are negligible. I'm not saying it's ok for people to just take without paying, I'm saying you need to realize what is actually happening. Most "pirates" are poor students with no money to spare, kids who have no money of their own, and the most numerous "pirate" of all: those who cannot access a store to legally buy the product.
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Som30ne said:
The same goes for PC apps.
And people still develop apps for PCs.
This is, in my opinion, some kind of propaganda (not to say brainwash) from the manufacturers,
who's only intent is to make more profit for themselves, and want to recruit the developers for their own goal.
Software piracy have been here since forever, and the software industry has always been growing.
I still hold my opinion that the manufacturer must not have me in chains and behind bars.
I believe the manufacturer must let me do whatever I want with my device.
Let me load whatever apps i want, from any source, and not limit me or force me to pay them more and more money over the life of the device.
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This. And Also, Poecifer, your just the Fandroid, since the discussion was brought ou with no intention to accuse each other party and start a flame war as usual, so just stfu if you don't have anything useful to say.
As a wp developer, i'd like to say that not beeing able to sideload apps freely at times is just a pain in the a**...personally I own a Sony Xperia J and a Lumia 710...my friend is an Android Dev and doesn't have all this kind of limitation...