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What do you think?
Motorola: more RAM, higher resolution display, dock functionality, locked bootloader?
locked bootloader.... that kills it for me
If the bootloader isn't locked on the Atrix, then I'm going with that without hesitation.
You forgot to mention, bigger battery on Atrix as well.
locked bootloader
What do you mean by a "locked bootloader" ???
does it have to do with the ability to flash non official ROMs on the phone ???
Optimus 2x has a 2MP front camera, 8MP rear camera... a big plus compared to the Atrix. With the higher resolution display you won't see much difference unless you look at your phone like you would at a letter in a dark room, more RAM is not that helpful as 512MB is more than enough for an Android device (heck, it's even enough for netbooks and Win XP).
I'd say the only proper advantage is the bigger battery which will definitely make a big difference in day-to-day use.
Atrix. Locked bootloader is only speculation, at the moment. And megapixels is not the be all, end all criteria on picture quality.
PuerkitoBio said:
Atrix. Locked bootloader is only speculation, at the moment. And megapixels is not the be all, end all criteria on picture quality.
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+1, but it's not sure about locked bootloader, we are not sure until we see it on the phone, remember what Motorola said:
"“We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users’ interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.”
Even if you can change by your self the 2X has the advantage to come with two loaders so you choose the LG homescreen or Vanilla.
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Even if you can change by your self the 2X has the advantage to come with two loaders so you choose the LG homescreen or Vanilla.
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Source? Would be great though.
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Even if you can change by your self the 2X has the advantage to come with two loaders so you choose the LG homescreen or Vanilla.
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Polluxus said:
Source? Would be great though.
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Agreed. I'd even say Awesome. I may be jealous, if that's the case.
My entire problem with the 2X has to do with it's screen. Why did they opt for an ordinary LCD screen on this phone? For me it may be too hard to go back to a regular screen after owning a samoled.
What really puzzles me is the fact that LG are releasing another phone along with the 2X that supposedly has a much better screen. I believe it's called the LG optimus black iirc. Why not give your highest end product the best screen? Bad decision if you ask me.
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Source? Would be great though.
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This is from Norwegian amobile http://www.amobil.no/artikler/lg_optimus_2x/80296
Translated with google you can fins this in the text:
"Menu-wise, Optimus 2X quite remote from pure Android menus. LG has made some graphical modifications that resemble the manufacturer's S-Class menus or Samsung Touch Wiz. One should however be able to choose clean Android menus if you wish."
vapotrini said:
My entire problem with the 2X has to do with it's screen. Why did they opt for an ordinary LCD screen on this phone? For me it may be too hard to go back to a regular screen after owning a samoled.
What really puzzles me is the fact that LG are releasing another phone along with the 2X that supposedly has a much better screen. I believe it's called the LG optimus black iirc. Why not give your highest end product the best screen? Bad decision if you ask me.
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It's not an all ordinary LCD, it's an IPS display
vapotrini said:
My entire problem with the 2X has to do with it's screen. Why did they opt for an ordinary LCD screen on this phone? For me it may be too hard to go back to a regular screen after owning a samoled.
What really puzzles me is the fact that LG are releasing another phone along with the 2X that supposedly has a much better screen. I believe it's called the LG optimus black iirc. Why not give your highest end product the best screen? Bad decision if you ask me.
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Although I agree SAMOLED is great I wouldn't make such a big issue out of this. You probably only notice the difference in side-by-side comparisons and not in everyday use. Plus LCD is sharper and better in bright sunlight. Oh and it's an IPS LCD (like the iphone and ipad) so good colors and viewing angles.
Atrix now listed on amazon.com for 600 US-Dollar (= 437,062937 Euro) that would be a great price for europe...but i don't think we'll get it that cheap....
maybe i wanna get an atrix if it appears for the same price as the lg in europe and with unlocked bootloader...(cuz of higer res display, dock functionality, more battery power, bio sensor on back, 1gb ram)
get the l 2x, it will be easy to root.
@gizz68erz
Can't remember where I found it. It was on one of the German forums out there but Motorola officially said that they will lock the bootloader to make sure their gadgets like the display dock will work in a proper way.
I will definitely go on the L2X.
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Optimus 2x has a 2MP front camera, 8MP rear camera... a big plus compared to the Atrix. With the higher resolution display you won't see much difference unless you look at your phone like you would at a letter in a dark room, more RAM is not that helpful as 512MB is more than enough for an Android device (heck, it's even enough for netbooks and Win XP).
I'd say the only proper advantage is the bigger battery which will definitely make a big difference in day-to-day use.
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I bet you won't even be able to tell the difference between a 8MP and a 5MP picture. Don't forget that you will look at it on your 2MP HDTV or computer monitor. The problem is that the sensor is way too small to benefit from 8MP. MP is the last thing that we should care about a camera nowadays.
1GB RAM can make a big difference however. Especially since android phones tend to loose some memory for the GPU or something else. There is only about 300MB user accessible on the Galaxy S. I am sure that you would prefer a netbook with 1GB over 512 MB too. I think that this is even more important than CPU MHz.
The higher resolution would also have make a huge difference (especially when browsing web pages), but unfortunately I read the Atrix uses a Pentitle matrix which kills effective resolution. We will have to see which one is brighter and have the best contrast before making any judgment on the screen anyways.
I was really excited about the X2 but the more and more I read about the Atrix the more it seems like its the better phone. Even with the Locked Bootloaded and ATT usually puts and end to non market apps. This Atrix is a beast I use my phone for business so the battery is awesome. I just dont want to pay att higher prices, they are stupid expensive compared to TMO
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Optimus 2x has a 2MP front camera, 8MP rear camera... a big plus compared to the Atrix. With the higher resolution display you won't see much difference unless you look at your phone like you would at a letter in a dark room, more RAM is not that helpful as 512MB is more than enough for an Android device (heck, it's even enough for netbooks and Win XP).
I'd say the only proper advantage is the bigger battery which will definitely make a big difference in day-to-day use.
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2x have 1.3MP front camera only.
The most interesting me was the atrix have fingerprint and upgradeable to 1080p capture : )
I have to buy a new phone,and i found an offer on this model.
I was wondering if the lg 2x camera is good as the iphone 4 >_<
Personally yeah. i think its better.
My housemate has one and we are forever arguing which one is better. And i think the O2X camera is ace IMO.
I think it is :-??
The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
regards!
McGiverGim said:
The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
regards!
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O_O they say that is better than the GS2 one >_<
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The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
regards!
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Would be nice if youd mention those other smartphones.
Ot: personally i think the camera quality is pretty damn decent , alot better than my gf's iphone 4 imo
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Well, it IS better than the iPhone 4.. i mean, without the backcover, i just makes some very nive pictures.. and it can shoot 1080p vids ;D
With enough lighting, they are pretty close in term of quality. But in low light, the iPhone 4 is noticably better. It clearly fares better than the o2x.
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The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
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No, it's not. Maybe yours is faulty?
When I bought my O2x I had the option to choose between SGSII, O2x and one HTC something, I compared the photos on the reviews and O2x was the second best (the first was SGSII), but when I went shopping the Samsung was hefty overpriced, like 150 EUR more than the O2x and I ended buying the LG.
The camera is nice, but of course, you can't expect a Nikon or Canon DSLR quality from such small sensor.
Personally i dont like the o2x's camera. And my mates SGS2 is way better IMO.
The thing about reviews online, is that they rarely test the device's camera in low light conditions. And there is where a good camera sensor shines. And frankly, the o2x, in low light conditions is quite bad.
i think it's good with a good illumination but when the sun go down the camera works bad..
Indeed, the camera in low light, or night setting is awful, in software.
The preview is fine, then one takes the photo, and the image is frozen,
and then the image processing kicks in, and most of the detail is lost,
with just a few bright dots, and over-saturated lighting now remaining!
The over-saturated lighting is also a problem with daytime lighting too.
This is in such stark contrast to my previous Nokia E90. On that, I was
able to take a photo in apparent darkness, the frozen image would be
almost black, then the image processing brought out excellent detail,
sometimes more than I could see with a naked eye. Truly remarkable!
Since the problem is software, as far as I see it, there could be a fix.
Richard.
The camera is decent for a smartphone. There is very few smartphones with better cameras. One is the Samsung Galaxy SII, which in general is a better phone, but also more expensive and I like the O2X's look better.
The camera takes very nice pictures in snapshot mode. When taking pictures in bad lighting condition, it still outdoes many other cameras in snapshot mode but for good pictures you should use Night mode or manually alter the ISO value.
The LG camera App has many settings that can be altered.
The Pictures show more detail than the ones taken with an iPhone 4. The iP4 has hardly any settings and uses automatic enhancement software like HDR or enhance. With the O2X and an app like camera360 the HDR looks better then on an iP4 and you can adjust the level of photo enhancement.
However, the pretty good LG camera software does not work with CM7.1. So if you plan to flash CM on your phone, you have to bear with a very basic camera software which I reckon is the reason for some people in this thread calling the O2X camera "bad".
mike-o2 said:
The camera is decent for a smartphone. There is very few smartphones with better cameras. One is the Samsung Galaxy SII, which in general is a better phone, but also more expensive and I like the O2X's look better.
The camera takes very nice pictures in snapshot mode. When taking pictures in bad lighting condition, it still outdoes many other cameras in snapshot mode but for good pictures you should use Night mode or manually alter the ISO value.
The LG camera App has many settings that can be altered.
The Pictures show more detail than the ones taken with an iPhone 4. The iP4 has hardly any settings and uses automatic enhancement software like HDR or enhance. With the O2X and an app like camera360 the HDR looks better then on an iP4 and you can adjust the level of photo enhancement.
However, the pretty good LG camera software does not work with CM7.1. So if you plan to flash CM on your phone, you have to bear with a very basic camera software which I reckon is the reason for some people in this thread calling the O2X camera "bad".
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Yeap, I agree with mike, and it is even better if you use a modified/patched stock LG camera such as by AndiCP which gives better picture and especially video because of the increased bitrate.
Overall, its a decent camera, abit on the downside when it comes to low light conditions, some say the back cover if taken off gives a more better picture, but hey.. this is the cheapest dualcore phone with 8mp and full HD recording you can get.. can't really complain.
Cheers!
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this is the cheapest dualcore phone with 8mp and full HD recording you can get.. can't really complain.
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That's for sure
From 1.to10.
Daylight - 7.5
Lowlight ( without flash ! ) - 4
For me Carl Zeiss makes best sensors for mobile cameras `for now` ... e.g. N8...
and yes , N95 8gb makes better pictures than most newest android phones ....
Has anybody seen this thread. Mindblowing that O2X camera can shoot these pics. Appears too good to be true. Credit to "mimstyle", the shooter for talking such brilliant photos with O2X.
http://www.optimus2x.net/index.php?topic=401.0
Hello to everyone!
I have open this topic to tell everyone that I admire my phone. I care about it, and you do?
This thread is about you're expectations, doubts, positive and negative feedbacks.
It's all about Optimus Black.
As for me I'm waiting now for gingerbread update.
And I'm looking for a compatible headset for my lg.
Regards
Kris
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hardware is top,
software sucks.
quyTam said:
hardware is top,
software sucks.
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+1 for this
But as they say p970 it has goot hardware
Hardware, most are good except battery is suck (software prob i think) & VGA is very old, PowerVR 530... at first i was hoping 535 or 540. But well, i barely use my phone for games.
Very like the phone design, also I love IPS panel for sure
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good phone with some glitches
the phone is having a very good display, a great slim streamline body, the best front facing camera, the primary camera is having rich colors too.
however, what hangs the phone down is the bad s/w support, tinny(although loud) speakers,the LG Bloatware, fingerprint prone back panel and a bad battery. i have 2 charge it every night
and oh! the GPU is not powerful enough, i bought this phone mistaking the Sgx530 as the SGX540 (the one in the SGS). although, i don't regret buying it. primarily due to the awesome display
I bought this phone the P970 to replace my older GT i9000 Galaxy S1
Hardware wise i love it but software wise its not so good
So i bought a Galaxy S 2 as main phone
Even now when i hold the P970 in my hand this phone feels better and more comfortable fit than Galaxy S2
Dont get me wrong Galaxy S2 is probably the best android phone out there but the P970 aint that far behind I love both phones just Samsung have better on time updates
Its a shame if the P970 came shipped with Android 2.3 it would have been a massive hit
even my old service provider Tmobile dont have it listed now as one of their phones now online for sale anymore
LG have a lot to learn
Was speaking to LG support yesterday according to them the update we are all waiting for is ready on their end now it is being tested by service providers and once the approval is sent back to LG then it will be ready for people to update , they say it is imminent
I live in a hostel, and i have almost all smartphones in my building under a roof.
And all i can say about Optimus Black is that it has the best display out there in market. I have compared the 720p movies hand-on-hand with Sensation XE (htc flagship), Galaxy S2 (Samsung flagship) and Arc S (SonyErricson flagship). And not only me, but the owners of those mobiles themselves frankly admitted that Optimus Black is the most fabulous while watching movie.
And also another thing, many smartphones of today, when you use outdoors in sunlight, well, i've seen too many people keeping their palms on mobile to avoid direct sunlight falling on mobile. But with Optimus Black, i can see crystal clear in daylight without slightest discomfort.
Every mobile has its goods and bads, and i'm happy with my OB for the good it brings.
pros : slim, good material, wifi direct, nice display, the only one with neutral colors and pure white (better render than AMOLED), camera is also one of the best on phones market
cons : software, battery, 1gb of ram would have been better, no TV out, not dustproof
the worst thing after all for me is that we have to keep the phone ON to use alarms (is it the case for all androphones ?)
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the worst thing after all for me is that we have to keep the phone ON to use alarms (is it the case for all androphones ?)
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Yes, I think so.
I've had my OB for about two months now and I can't possibly state how happy I am with it !
It's great ! Isn't it just great, you guys ?
The battery lasts a lot more than my old Blackberry's, the display is huge, shiny and the colors are vivid. Game performance is astonishing and I love the Dolby mobile option for Music and Videos.
All in all, a great phone !
Hi There,
I'm about to get one of this two:
Motorola Defy (not plus)
OR
LG Optimus Black P970
Besides the obvious technical/feature/differences between them:
Screen size, CPU speed and Rugged vs Not.
The fight is ONLY between this 2, contract availability reasons.
what is your honest user experience and long term satisfaction, modability , upgradability , dependability , whole experience ... your opinion !
Thanks !
defy is very old !
black is better for sure
Defy is water proof and shock proof but it has smaller screen and slower processor.
Optimus Black is much better it has faster processor and bigger and brighter screen.
3.7" vs 4" is not much of a difference. albeit defy has FWVGA resolution and has better ppi than the black. rugged, waterproof & dust-proof. my vote to defy.
and since you are at xda, i feel ur gonna root the phone. defy can run @1 ghz seamlessly. there are many mods that can let the defy record 720p videos.
and the best of all there are more ROMs available for the defy than all teh optimus (2x, black, 3d, sol, bla bla bla) combined. cm9, miui(official) and many more.
the only upperhand of the black is the 2MPx front camera & the upgraded chipset. nothing more. then again, if you buy the defy plus, it's a 100% better deal than the black.
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I have a p990 and with a custom rom it's a dream x), The screen is beautiful . For me it's a very good phone
I didn't used the P990 (2x) with stock rom for a very long time, in fact 30 minutes, just the time to gather everything to flash cyanogenmod 7.
You may be new on xda but a rom when almost everything works is not a common thing, CM7 rom others based on it for the P990 and P970 (black) everything work.
If you want to stay on stock rom and just root, I won't recommend you a LG phone as they kind of mess up their stock rom.
If can understand how to flash a custom firmware, then both phones you want, have a very good kang (you'll understand this later) by temasek.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1421425
I'm using it on P990 and it's a true marvel. I think that I took this one because it's the cheapest dual core phone available. No in fact it's because it has a stable CM7 port. First I wanted the Samsung I9100 (Galaxy S2) which have a powerful dualcore internaly made by samsung but there is I9100G in the wild which is also called Galaxy S2 but have a Texas Instrument CPU. The fact that this version is less powerful than the original one doesn't matter, it just make it not compatible with I9100 roms.
Don't consider the optimus black, dual core is what you want, trust me. Even if the optimus 2x don't have what LG is calling Nova screen, it still a beautiful screen, very sharp (still the iphone 4/4S is a little sharper, just a little) and with gorilla glass. I think it's the first time in 5-6 years that I didn't put screen protector on my phone.
But with the Tegra 2 dual core and the speed of CyanogenMod, everything is so smooth. With 50€ extra, go for the 2x.
If you can wait, the samsung galaxy S3 will arrive and the price of the S2 will drop a little. The 4.3" screen may be too big for you but it has better stock rom than the LG 2X.
But LG Optimus 2x P990 with CyanogenMod7 is something unmatched in the 300€ price range right now.
2x that price is too expensive , if you like app,you should buy iphon4 8g, but the 3.5 screen is too small. Android platform i will consider sumsung galaxy note,bigest screen , or lg optimus lte ,in china it just 2k5 ~= €300
I agree with all of the above (except for the chinese guy).
290 euros is not a big price tag for O2X, at least not on "first world" countries.
Even if you're not a very demanding user you will certainly enjoy flashing a custom ROM. Phone is smoother, more stable, battery life is better, etc. Unless of course you screw it up and brick your phone. But if you follow the instructions step by step (I can help you with that) you should be fine!
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I agree with all of the above (except for the chinese guy).
290 euros is not a big price tag for O2X, at least not on "first world" countries.
Even if you're not a very demanding user you will certainly enjoy flashing a custom ROM. Phone is smoother, more stable, battery life is better, etc. Unless of course you screw it up and brick your phone. But if you follow the instructions step by step (I can help you with that) you should be fine!
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i mean €290 for 2X is not worth , just 1 year the hardware is way behind. don't we consider ' cost performance' , maybe you shouldn't care the damn €520+ like some chinese, there are iphone4s everywhere in china.
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i mean €290 for 2X is not worth , just 1 year the hardware is way behind. don't we consider ' cost performance' , maybe you shouldn't care the damn €520+ like some chinese, there are iphone4s everywhere in china.
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My friend, can you tell me what's better than an O2X for 290 eur?
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chenjiaru said:
2x that price is too expensive , if you like app,you should buy iphon4 8g, but the 3.5 screen is too small. Android platform i will consider sumsung galaxy note,bigest screen , or lg optimus lte ,in china it just 2k5 ~= €300
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Its great price for it. Only reason for such price drop is that first wave of o2xs was crap and people lost trust in that phone.
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I can only talk about what I've tried.
I "test-drove" the phone for about three weeks with stock ROM and I liked it, didn't have any problems, no sleep of deaths, battery life was ok.
Then I tried temasek's kang and vadonka's kernel, and what was already good just got excellent. Phone is ultra stable, great performance, great battery life.
Regarding camera quality, obviously removing the plastic cover will get you better quality as you will not have distortion from the plastic, but be careful as this plastic is there to protect your camera lens. As long as you don't scratch the plastic cover you shouldn't have any trouble. Quality is acceptable for me... for a phone camera, obviously.
Flashing a custom ROM, as far as I know, doesn't improve picture quality.
doctorik said:
Hello guys,
I´d like to buy a new phone (my first smartphone), but not sure which one. Although I browsed through a lot of phones (not all, of course), I found only 3 phones that I truly like (mainly because of design and features included):
- LG Optimus Black (price 245 - 255 Euro)
- LG Optimus 2x (290 Euro)
- iPhone 4 16GB (520+ Euro)
Well, I´m not willing to pay 520+ Euro for brand new iPhone 4, so only 2 options remain. These are my pros for each of LGs:
LG Black
+ thinner and lighter
+ better screen ?? (not sure about this one)
LG 2x
+ dual core CPU
+ bigger internal memory
+ better camera and video
I know about crappy LG support and read about all bugs that you have suffered from (using 2x, not sure if Black is better in this area). I presume that I´d need to root phone (never did that) to get the best experience of it. But what would you suggest me? Should I buy Black or 2x? Or should I look elsewhere?
PS: I´m not power user and don´t need best out there (won´t play games much if at all). I just need fully functional phone with appealing design, very good screen (4-inch max.), good connectivity and very good camera.
THANKS for feedback.
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Go for o2x. Black has really outdated gpu. Or maybe htc evo 3D for 270€.
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HTC EVO 3D:
cons:
- Not gorilla glass
- Internal storage 1GB??
- Camera 5 MP
pros:
- 1.2 GHz CPU
- Non-Tegra GPU (everyone seems to hate Tegra)
- 1 GB RAM
- Slightly bigger screen
- Slightly bigger capacity battery
The first two cons are killers for me. You install 2 or 3 games and bye-bye 1 GB. I also like my screen to be scratch resistant. But it's a good suggestion nonetheless!
5mpx or 8mpx it doesnt matter on phone sizes sensors.
3D photos and videos are such a nice gimmick
1 gb internal storage - 10. class micro sd and switching internal with external.
Cons for me would be no gorrila glass and colors are nowhere near o2x.
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In my opinion the readability is great, but I can't compare it to the other devices you are asking about because I've never owned them... but compared to my last phone (LG GT540) it's really great!
I've just tried radio because of you, I had never tried it before And I can tell you it works perfectly.
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Flashing a custom ROM will get rid of any carrier logos + preloaded carrier apps
That's why I like it too
Flashing a custom rom (Temasek's Kang is very good, stable, smooth everythings working and the camera app can be replaced with the stock one but improved for 1080p video) will remove all the branding.
Root is like admin right in Windows, rooting a phone is like giving admin rights in windows, it can be used to remove branded apps (with titanium backup for example) but only apps.
For the HTC build quality, it seems that for the previous generation, there was too much model, many high end, many middle, many entry level models and the phone inferior to 300€ are just entry level so crappy material. That's why for 2012 there is only 3 phones, one for each price level.
For the quality of the 2X P990, it was marketed as an high end phone and build quality is not cheap, especialy that it have gorilla glass (optimus black too).
There was bad feedback for first batch but i bought mine 2 weeks ago (bought in France, the box all in german called LG Optimus Speed, made in Korea) and no problem.
For the camera quality, the back plastic that protect the camera is a fingerprint lover. I just wipe it on a sleeve, cristal clear.
The only dual core phone at 300€, just that.