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Soulife Ion Remix vs Cyanogen

I'm currently on Soulife's Ion Remix v1.0 and I'm very happy with the speed, and reasonably happy with stability/force closes. I'm not a prolific flasher (oo-er!) but I've tried a few ROMs (JF1.5/Ion R1/R2/Soulife Ion v1.0) and this is the best so far.
I keep on reading how Cyanogen is the fastest and most stable ROM around, and I'm getting tempted to try it, IF it's better than the ROM i'm currently on. I don't have much time at the moment to keep wiping and reinstallling apps etc, so I don't want to do this if there isn't a stability or speed improvement over Ion Remix.
Has anyone tried both? Can you give me your opinion which is better?
I don't use apps2sd (mainly because its another hassle i don't want). One thing I do want is the HTC_IME Touch Input keyboard, which doesn't seem to work for me on Ion Remix, so I guess this is another reason for me to change.
Any advice? Thanks!

I haven't used Soulife, so maybe you don't want my opinion. It's the internet though, so I'm giving my $0.02 anyway.
I don't think anyone, Google included, is pushing Android as close to the limits of how well it can run as Cyanogen is. You don't need to be a prolific flasher either - Stick with his stable build, update when he releases a new stable. Right now that's 3.6.5, and it has been rock solid in my experience (and the majority of the users posting over in development)
apps2sd isn't required - I ran without it for awhile, switched to it when I got my new card. No real difference, other than storage space available.
HTC IME is included and runs fine.

Cyanogens rom is the fastest out there period. Also when upgrading from a previous versin of his rom to a newer one there is no need to wipe, so you don't need to reinstall all your apps.

setspeed said:
I'm currently on Soulife's Ion Remix v1.0 and I'm very happy with the speed, and reasonably happy with stability/force closes. I'm not a prolific flasher (oo-er!) but I've tried a few ROMs (JF1.5/Ion R1/R2/Soulife Ion v1.0) and this is the best so far.
I keep on reading how Cyanogen is the fastest and most stable ROM around, and I'm getting tempted to try it, IF it's better than the ROM i'm currently on. I don't have much time at the moment to keep wiping and reinstallling apps etc, so I don't want to do this if there isn't a stability or speed improvement over Ion Remix.
Has anyone tried both? Can you give me your opinion which is better?
I don't use apps2sd (mainly because its another hassle i don't want). One thing I do want is the HTC_IME Touch Input keyboard, which doesn't seem to work for me on Ion Remix, so I guess this is another reason for me to change.
Any advice? Thanks!
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Cyan runs the performance-related parts of ION that make it so fast, so at this point, it's already fast enough as ION. There are a lot of different things he does to his Kernal that makes it faster, along with tweaks to different apps to make them run faster as well. What you hear is true :]

lukekirstein said:
Cyan runs the performance-related parts of ION that make it so fast, so at this point, it's already fast enough as ION. There are a lot of different things he does to his Kernal that makes it faster, along with tweaks to different apps to make them run faster as well. What you hear is true :]
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To be fair, if you read through Cyanogen's update thread ... It sounds like he hasn't really found much from ION that tweaks performance. ION's speed just comes from it being a real clean build of Android without lots of extras. Cyanogen's speed tweaks are mostly his own, with some patches from the cupcake and donut branches that haven't made it into the OTA releases.

switch to CM 3.6.5
I just did the switch a couple of days ago and I was also stand offish about apps2sd but I found the thread on how to do it in terminal emulator. It was extremely easier than I thought. The rom does the rest for you. I am constantly suprised how fast and user friendly the rom is. I even overlayed tehseano&moonsspoon hero theme over it with no problems. I am going to stay with this until I know something is better.

Just update your recovery image to 1.3.1 and then do the Nandroid backup. Run which ever rom you want and then if you use the 1.3.1 you can just reflash right back without much of any effort.
Of course you can if you want to use your PC and do the Nandroid rebuild, but thats so last month.

Heres my two cents for ya...I was put off to try apps2sd as well, figuring the same, that id hafta keep redoing everything andf messing it up and starting over...not the way it went down, dude. Not at all. I was coming from the dudes 1.3RC1 to cyanogens...i updated to cyanogen's recovery, then installed CM3.6. I booted into recovery, ran A2sd (ctl+m) and when i rebooted it was all done. I never wiped, and for the first day i had a battery glitch where it didnt wanna hold a charge very long, but after i let it charge overnight it stopped and have not had a problem in the world since. And Im still on CM3.6, also not a "prolific flasher", and i plan on staying right where im at until somebody puts out something (personally) worth flashing again. Cyanogen is controlling the "market" right now, in case noone's noticed all the ROM threads stamped with "CYANOGENIZED". His is definitely the way to go, almost all the other roms out there are somewhat based off of, or including something from his. And its not a pain in the ass like you think as long as you pay attention and make sure all your bases are covered. BACKUP YOUR STUFF!!! just in case...
-BMFC

honestly
I did a lot of comparisons on ion and byte for byte, every binary except debuggerd is identical as adp1.51 or crb43 and the only difference is the compiled time, it looks like ions debuggerd was compiled 4 minutes earlier than adp1.51's. Same thing for all the library's, only difference is libreference-ril.so which I assume has something to do with it coming from sapphire. However, there is like 6 or 7 binarys excluded from ion (I'm not at my pc so I can't tell you which ones off my head). So if you ever hear this build has dalvikvm from ion for speed you can laugh cause its identicall to the one on a stock g1.
The ion remix v1 and 1.1 is using A LOT of cyanogens goodness, I can do this cause its all google based. What you are gaining by using cyanogens is whatever new is introduced in aosp revision 2. I'm running an unreleased beta 1.2 with cyanogens .29 kernel and squashfs and it flys. You can compare his description to mine (will be updated with 1.2) but your getting a lot of the same stuff.
Take advantage of cyanogens pimped out recovery. You can backup your phone, wipe and flash and if your not happy just restore it like you never left. Take advantage of advancement. Try some other builds out to measure your likes. Just not hero, its evil.

CM 4.1.11, CM 4.0.4, or stock 1.6?

I just installed Cyanogen's stable rom 4.0.4 before Google issued the cease and desist order. I am not sure how long it is going to take Cyanogen to issue a new rom that is acceptable to Google.
So, I am at a crossroads now that the official stock Donut is being pushed out by TMobile.
Is the stable version of Cyanogen 4.0.4 mostly like the official Donut rom, or are the quit a bit more features? I have also thought about upgrading to 4.1.11 but don't want to have a buggy handset. I am interested in know what others are planning while we are in custom-mod "limbo".
Thanks.

4.1.11.1 is very usable. Good luck finding a link to it, though.

i used cm updater to get 4.1.11.1 today because i couldn't find a dl link

also had the same question.... what is everyone doing?
(A) stick with stable
(B) try 4.1.11.1 (what issues? Is it Donut?)
(C) go stock
(D) Try another ROM (insert my shock face) that has Donut

s15274n said:
also had the same question.... what is everyone doing?
(A) stick with stable
(B) try 4.1.11.1 (what issues? Is it Donut?)
(C) go stock
(D) Try another ROM (insert my shock face) that has Donut
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on one of my phones i have 4.1.11.1 with my theme, the new lockscreen, and the 10mb ram hack. (my main phone) on my other phone i have akirah 1.6 with my theme. akirah 1.6 runs amazingly smooth, i just like the new lockscreen too much to give it up.
imo both roms are smooth, i have not noticed anything out of the ordinary using 4.1.11.1 (if anyone needs a link to it ) also if they have removed akirah 1.6 again.
i think akirah 1.6 is a little faster and smoother than 4.1.11.1, but 4.1.11.1 has a lot more features that i like more, so i will stick with 4.1.11.1 for now for daily usage.

Im sticking with 4.1.11.1.... This ROM is fast. The only thing I had to do was set up partitions on my sd. For some reason I was getting alot of fc's. I had 4.04 and it was also nice but no bfs. 4.04 doesnt have the new market but your not missing anything special.... NEW COLORS YEAAAAH! There are alot more themes for 4.04 but the guys on the dream side are mking quite a few for 4.1.11.1.
As for stock ROMs Cyanogens are far more advanced and quicker. Im so happy i dont have to look at the Myfavs icon anymore! Now if I could only do something about the Amazon icon!

X-i-phoner said:
Im sticking with 4.1.11.1.... This ROM is fast. The only thing I had to do was set up partitions on my sd. For some reason I was getting alot of fc's. I had 4.04 and it was also nice but no bfs. 4.04 doesnt have the new market but your not missing anything special.... NEW COLORS YEAAAAH! There are alot more themes for 4.04 but the guys on the dream side are mking quite a few for 4.1.11.1.
As for stock ROMs Cyanogens are far more advanced and quicker. Im so happy i dont have to look at the Myfavs icon anymore! Now if I could only do something about the Amazon icon!
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in the recovery console
Code:
mount system
rm /system/app/com.amazon.mp3.apk
reboot
that will kill amazon until you flash another rom
oh wait you have a magic don't you (didn't think about that until after i typed it), just use a file browser with root capabilities to delete it out of /system/app or type adb shell then do those commands. (with adb shell it doesn't have to be in recovery)

sweeeet! thank man! later amazon. (one handed typing right there! you cant teach that.... its instinct!...... and dinner time.)

LINKS?
david1171 said:
on one of my phones i have 4.1.11.1 with my theme, the new lockscreen, and the 10mb ram hack. (my main phone) on my other phone i have akirah 1.6 with my theme. akirah 1.6 runs amazingly smooth, i just like the new lockscreen too much to give it up.
imo both roms are smooth, i have not noticed anything out of the ordinary using 4.1.11.1 (if anyone needs a link to it ) also if they have removed akirah 1.6 again.
i think akirah 1.6 is a little faster and smoother than 4.1.11.1, but 4.1.11.1 has a lot more features that i like more, so i will stick with 4.1.11.1 for now for daily usage.
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David I was wondering if you maybe have the links to CYANOGEN 4.0.4 been lookin for it all over the web found broken links all over...Thanks!! wil really appreciate it!

You should be able to get 4.04 and 4.1.11.1 both from the CM updater still.

I myself was also in the same situation as the OP. I installed cyanogen 4.04 like maybe 4 days before the C&D letter and now donut is released. Imagine that.
My question is, I've read that donut has improved performance, and battery life.
Is it faster and better on the battery front than the cyanogen 4.04 rom i have currently?

i'm just gonna wait for the 'suprise' cyanogen has for us this weekend (from twitter)

thepoetvd776 said:
I myself was also in the same situation as the OP. I installed cyanogen 4.04 like maybe 4 days before the C&D letter and now donut is released. Imagine that.
My question is, I've read that donut has improved performance, and battery life.
Is it faster and better on the battery front than the cyanogen 4.04 rom i have currently?
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CyanogenMOD has Apps2SD which IF you have a class 6 microSDHC will be faster and have ALOT more space for apps. As a root user, you can overclock the underclocked stock G1 (stock cpu is 384MHz, root cpu overclock can be 528MHz) which makes it faster also. As far as battery life, you will save battery with stock 1.6 .
Just my 2 cents but I might be wrong.

coredalae said:
i'm just gonna wait for the 'suprise' cyanogen has for us this weekend (from twitter)
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+1
10 char

knowfear said:
You should be able to get 4.04 and 4.1.11.1 both from the CM updater still.
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I don't have any CM ROM installed in my G1 yet so I can't use CM Updater...Well I'm a noob so correct me if I'm wrong...

thanks for the advice. Yeah i'm looking at maybe overclocking my G1, I might take a hit on battery but from what I've read, I can live with the trade off.
Which app would you recommend to overclock?
I keep hearing about overclocker, and setcpu. I heard that overclocker the settings reset with every restart so right now i'm leaving toward setcpu. What's your take?
I wonder what's the surprise cyanogen has this weekend.
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CyanogenMOD has Apps2SD which IF you have a class 6 microSDHC will be faster and have ALOT more space for apps. As a root user, you can overclock the underclocked stock G1 (stock cpu is 384MHz, root cpu overclock can be 528MHz) which makes it faster also. As far as battery life, you will save battery with stock 1.6 .
Just my 2 cents but I might be wrong.
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thepoetvd776 said:
thanks for the advice. Yeah i'm looking at maybe overclocking my G1, I might take a hit on battery but from what I've read, I can live with the trade off.
Which app would you recommend to overclock?
I keep hearing about overclocker, and setcpu. I heard that overclocker the settings reset with every restart so right now i'm leaving toward setcpu. What's your take?
I wonder what's the surprise cyanogen has this weekend.
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before cyanogen implemented cpu scaling into his builds, i used overclocker, then i used overclock once it came out, i would go with overclock widget or setcpu since both of those have good options.

anyone had any issues with contacts not uploading or importing on CM 4.1.11.1.1? I just came from 4.0.4, but it seems like my contacts stayed back.
I have tried sync option, reboot. Any other ideas?

ljnick19 said:
anyone had any issues with contacts not uploading or importing on CM 4.1.11.1.1? I just came from 4.0.4, but it seems like my contacts stayed back.
I have tried sync option, reboot. Any other ideas?
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If I remember correctly some ppl had problems upgrading with 4.1.11.1, I wiped before I installed 4.1.11.1 and didn't have any problems like that. you might wanna browse the thread for that rom to verify though, memory is slightly hazy (might just be me)

jackslim said:
If I remember correctly some ppl had problems upgrading with 4.1.11.1, I wiped before I installed 4.1.11.1 and didn't have any problems like that. you might wanna browse the thread for that rom to verify though, memory is slightly hazy (might just be me)
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Yeah, I can say that I did not wipe prior to. I was looking for the thread, but it seems to have been closed or buried. I'll give 'er a wipe and see what happens. Cheers!

FroYo for Vogue, any plans?

Is anyone going to build a FroYo rom for the vogue?

If memory serves, Eclair was announced/released on phones for months before AOSP ever had a hold of it.
If it takes months again for Froyo to be released, I'll probably have moved on. However, if AOSP does get Froyo in a reasonable amount of time, I'll do enough to at least dabble in it and create something. No promises on functionality.
I'll be at Google I/O next week, and I have plenty of questions, one of which is how soon we'll see Froyo on AOSP and if it'll be brought up to speed at faster, more regular intervals.

Tell them Google people that they promised me a pony!

Shidell said:
If memory serves, Eclair was announced/released on phones for months before AOSP ever had a hold of it.
If it takes months again for Froyo to be released, I'll probably have moved on. However, if AOSP does get Froyo in a reasonable amount of time, I'll do enough to at least dabble in it and create something. No promises on functionality.
I'll be at Google I/O next week, and I have plenty of questions, one of which is how soon we'll see Froyo on AOSP and if it'll be brought up to speed at faster, more regular intervals.
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Isn't there a rom out for the Droid or Nexus already?

This is supposed to have a 250% increase in speed, that would be sweet

berardi said:
This is supposed to have a 250% increase in speed, that would be sweet
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I heard it was a 450% increase... and I know theres at least a few people running froyo on thier Nexus

as soon as we see a froyo dump we'll see if our libs/kernel will work with it. If not we'll have to wait until the aosp is updated to compile the drivers for froyo.

loserskater said:
I heard it was a 450% increase... and I know theres at least a few people running froyo on thier Nexus
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sure there's a 450% inc on systems with a FPU built in, we don't have one so we'll only see a 200% or so if that

mrono said:
sure there's a 450% inc on systems with a FPU built in, we don't have one so we'll only see a 200% or so if that
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Let's not pretend a 200 percent increase wouldn't be awesome.

TheKartus said:
Let's not pretend a 200 percent increase wouldn't be awesome.
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This is so true!

fyi, our libs don't work natively on froyo. We'll have to wait for the aosp to be updated so we can make the required adjustments and compile them for it.

mssmison said:
fyi, our libs don't work natively on froyo. We'll have to wait for the aosp to be updated so we can make the required adjustments and compile them for it.
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How long is that usually from SDK release? 2.2 looks really fun.

looks fun, runs slow on the vogue. Mind you this is only the sdk build (which is usually slower and more buggy in the begining).
Hopefully it won't take too long.

It probably wont fit on nand.
Also they say froyo 2.2 is lik 5x faster than eclair.
My guess as to why its faster is 2 things;
better coding
More of the mobile operating system is in the ram
(which is why it will be running faster)
Since all the newer devices have a crap load of rom and ram, this wont be a problem.
But for us vogue users who have limited rom and ram, this will mean we will run it off the sd card; which is ok......
Overall i do hope it runs than i anticipate.

intimidatorx31 said:
It probably wont fit on nand.
Also they say froyo 2.2 is lik 5x faster than eclair.
My guess as to why its faster is 2 things;
better coding
More of the mobile operating system is in the ram
(which is why it will be running faster)
Since all the newer devices have a crap load of rom and ram, this wont be a problem.
But for us vogue users who have limited rom and ram, this will mean we will run it off the sd card; which is ok......
Overall i do hope it runs than i anticipate.
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Couldn't it be possible to reduce it's size? Removing applications and unnecessary gadgets?

It is reasonable to assume that we could fit a stock build of Froyo onto the Vogue's NAND memory--especially given that Froyo natively supports transitioning applications to the SD card. It remains to be seen what size a stock Froyo build will be (roughly).
Froyo is optimized, sure--but the majority of the speed increase is coming from the trace JIT compiler. (The browser will be faster rendering Javascript as well thanks to the V8 engine being migrated in from the Chrome browser.)

Shidell said:
It is reasonable to assume that we could fit a stock build of Froyo onto the Vogue's NAND memory--especially given that Froyo natively supports transitioning applications to the SD card. It remains to be seen what size a stock Froyo build will be (roughly).
Froyo is optimized, sure--but the majority of the speed increase is coming from the trace JIT compiler. (The browser will be faster rendering Javascript as well thanks to the V8 engine being migrated in from the Chrome browser.)
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Trace JIT has quite a bit of RAM overhead - that's one of the reasons it was originally not in Android (check out the Android overview talk from 2008's Google I/O for details). And it really only tends to make CPU-heavy loops (games, artificial benchmarks) faster. On the other hand, Google claim to have optimized low-memory handling and the low memory killer/ejector (check out the Android 2.2 new features page).
However, I *highly* doubt it'll fit in NAND - that's the reason Google's cited for never bringing 2.2 to the G1 (in a fireside talk with Gizmodo).
At any rate, if Froyo isn't coming to the G1 family, we won't get 3D drivers (which need to be updated) for the Vogue either, so we're probably dead out of luck. It'll run, but without GL drivers the experience will probably not be great. Someone might be able to shim/dummy in the older ones (especially once AOSP is out) but I wouldn't get my hopes up too far.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love Froyo on the Vogue, but there are a lot of reasons it's a pipe dream.
The V8 improvements have already been backported to Eclair (The Eclair branch of Cyanogenmod has had V8 is a compile time selection for ages - it's disabled by default mostly due to an incompatibility with some JS used in the Epocrates app) so we might see those. The stable JIT might get backported onto the existing hacky / open-source Eclair one as well.

Mmm...Android FroYo...

1. yes froyo fits on nand no problem,
2. the 3d drivers work just fine that we're already using
3. the reason it was slow (when I mentioned it) was becuase of the un optimized apk's, and of course the new launcher 2. it runs much better with an alternative launcher. Though it's not really any faster than eclair at this point. More testing is required.
4. yes once aosp is out we'll get the libs updated and get full compatibility. (or as close as we can)
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Trace JIT has quite a bit of RAM overhead - that's one of the reasons it was originally not in Android (check out the Android overview talk from 2008's Google I/O for details). And it really only tends to make CPU-heavy loops (games, artificial benchmarks) faster. On the other hand, Google claim to have optimized low-memory handling and the low memory killer/ejector (check out the Android 2.2 new features page).
However, I *highly* doubt it'll fit in NAND - that's the reason Google's cited for never bringing 2.2 to the G1 (in a fireside talk with Gizmodo).
At any rate, if Froyo isn't coming to the G1 family, we won't get 3D drivers (which need to be updated) for the Vogue either, so we're probably dead out of luck. It'll run, but without GL drivers the experience will probably not be great. Someone might be able to shim/dummy in the older ones (especially once AOSP is out) but I wouldn't get my hopes up too far.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love Froyo on the Vogue, but there are a lot of reasons it's a pipe dream.
The V8 improvements have already been backported to Eclair (The Eclair branch of Cyanogenmod has had V8 is a compile time selection for ages - it's disabled by default mostly due to an incompatibility with some JS used in the Epocrates app) so we might see those. The stable JIT might get backported onto the existing hacky / open-source Eclair one as well.
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Now I'm no expert and only spouting off what I had read somewhere else, FROYO will really not benefit the vogue or kaiser at all. Its the JIT that will help us on other builds correct me if I'm wrong but there is something else in froyo that makes the big difference. Froyo utilizes a part of the processor in the N1 that's not been used in older builds this is where the added speed comes from. Granted it would be nice if I'm wrong though. I'm sure some of you others are more in the know than I am.

[Q] By now, which built is the most stable?

Hi,
I am using WM nfsfan's for years and i'm happy to see your community developping android for my old vogue!
I wanted to install the incubus26jc's froyo built on it but i see there is other releases of android os that have been made.
If I want an android OS that is working great with usb tethering, google market, mms, email, camera and gps which built should I choose?
Have you tried those ?
My Super FroYo Build
My Tattoo Donut Build
My Super Eclair 2.1 Build
My Super Hero Build
Thanks, hope you will be able to give me some hints
Christian

at this point i think everyone is running incubus 2.2 froyo rom, or at least most are recommending it....
had some others suggest this cyanogen mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746909
but it doesn't appear to be as up to date as the incubus rom

well what network are you on, sprint is the only one that has MMS working for Sending and Receiving
personally i always liked the cyanogen mod builds, but for a build with everything working, Hawk-SOAD/ zenulators ION Donut build is a good one

Hi,
I am on bell mobility

this cyanogen is not for the kayser? I am on a vogue

im still going to reccomend the Hawks-SOAD/ Zenulator build
it might only be a donut build but it has a few advantages,
1. its camera and video camera are both working, in eclair and froyo only the camera is working.
2. its a very clean build, your not going to find too many extra apps
3. it has the Android APN instead of the T-mobile APN so if your on a CDMA network you can easily set up MMS for your carrier
Warm donut is a themed version of that build.
if your looking for the Bleeding Edge for vogue Dev
incubus' Super Froyo releases are awesome, there are a few issues they are attempting to sort out like the device freezing on system resume. Fresh Froyo is built off the same tree but there are no google apps.
cyanogen mod 6 ports are still froyo, and have a few of the same issues
both of these are stable for Daily use though
Vanjilla eclair is my Eclair build of choice,
its clean and fast but again no camcorder.
sense/ hero builds are nice but the have to be put on a EXT2 partition of your card for 2.1 builds, the tattoo sense has been known to have a short battery life and none of the hero/sense builds have Bluetooth. They also are very heavy on the system so they might not always be the snappiest

I also vote for VaniljEclair RLS11. I think the current FROYO build still has too many features not working or not working properly. See a list of issues in this forum. Eclair is also faster (I am using polaris)

thoughtlesskyle said:
im still going to reccomend the Hawks-SOAD/ Zenulator build
it might only be a donut build but it has a few advantages,
1. its camera and video camera are both working, in eclair and froyo only the camera is working.
2. its a very clean build, your not going to find too many extra apps
3. it has the Android APN instead of the T-mobile APN so if your on a CDMA network you can easily set up MMS for your carrier
Warm donut is a themed version of that build.
if your looking for the Bleeding Edge for vogue Dev
incubus' Super Froyo releases are awesome, there are a few issues they are attempting to sort out like the device freezing on system resume. Fresh Froyo is built off the same tree but there are no google apps.
cyanogen mod 6 ports are still froyo, and have a few of the same issues
both of these are stable for Daily use though
Vanjilla eclair is my Eclair build of choice,
its clean and fast but again no camcorder.
sense/ hero builds are nice but the have to be put on a EXT2 partition of your card for 2.1 builds, the tattoo sense has been known to have a short battery life and none of the hero/sense builds have Bluetooth. They also are very heavy on the system so they might not always be the snappiest
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I'll also vote for the Soad/Zenulator build. It's the only build here that would give you the kind of speed and stability that the original WinMo build had. The only downside to this build is the unavailability of some apps.
My second pick is also Vanjilla Eclair (Although I prefer version 9). Very stable, but a step slower in speed. Has most/all of the apps, though.
The Froyo build are just not there, yet. Too many lockups.
Mike

thoughtlesskyle said:
im still going to reccomend the Hawks-SOAD/ Zenulator build
it might only be a donut build but it has a few advantages,
1. its camera and video camera are both working, in eclair and froyo only the camera is working.
2. its a very clean build, your not going to find too many extra apps
3. it has the Android APN instead of the T-mobile APN so if your on a CDMA network you can easily set up MMS for your carrier
Warm donut is a themed version of that build.
if your looking for the Bleeding Edge for vogue Dev
incubus' Super Froyo releases are awesome, there are a few issues they are attempting to sort out like the device freezing on system resume. Fresh Froyo is built off the same tree but there are no google apps.
cyanogen mod 6 ports are still froyo, and have a few of the same issues
both of these are stable for Daily use though
Vanjilla eclair is my Eclair build of choice,
its clean and fast but again no camcorder.
sense/ hero builds are nice but the have to be put on a EXT2 partition of your card for 2.1 builds, the tattoo sense has been known to have a short battery life and none of the hero/sense builds have Bluetooth. They also are very heavy on the system so they might not always be the snappiest
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Thanks for the excellent recap of different builds and releases. I know all the cooks and developers work their butts off giving us new life for our Vogues etc.
I am almost ready to flash to Nand, still trying to decide which build.

Ive tried em all and VaniljEclair RLS11 is the most stable "recent" build by far.
Incubus26Jc's Super FroYo 2.2 is awesome if looking for a FroYo build.

I've tried just about everything. You didn't mention phone in your list of requirements. If you need reliable calls (incoming, outgoing, sms), then I would recommend Myn's Warm Donut. Every other Eclair and Froyo build has led to daily freezes and lock-ups for me.
If you don't use your phone that much, then inc's SuperFroyo is a very nice build. (RLS 10.5 was great...RLS 12 worked pretty well too).
I had various problems with SuperEclair and WarmEclair. Never really tried VanilljEclair...I know that others like it. I never really had the time to build it up with the various apps and features (like calibration, etc.) Not hard to do, just takes time.
Myn's Warm Donut is incredibly fast and stable. I miss some of the newer features and elements of Froyo, but for daily use I feel like Warm Donut works best with these older devices. (Froyo and Eclair are pushing the envelope, IMHO.)
I'd also suggest running in NoMoRootFS...using Haret off of the SD (with 2x ext2 partitions) before flashing to NAND. It would give you time to play around with the various builds. They all have their own personality...it's pretty cool, and fun to try out. There's no one size fits all. That's the beauty of an open development forum like this.
Have fun...well worth it. No matter which Android build you pick, you'll never go back to WM.

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im still going to reccomend the Hawks-SOAD/ Zenulator build
it might only be a donut build but it has a few advantages,
1. its camera and video camera are both working, in eclair and froyo only the camera is working.
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Note, on the Vogue, as far as I can tell, both RLS2 and RLS3 of the Hawks-SOAD / Zenulator build do not have working video recording, I tested both this weekend. However, it does not force close on the camcorder, just doesn't do anything other than frustrate.

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Note, on the Vogue, as far as I can tell, both RLS2 and RLS3 of the Hawks-SOAD / Zenulator build do not have working video recording, I tested both this weekend. However, it does not force close on the camcorder, just doesn't do anything other than frustrate.
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i thought that at first too but you have to use the 2-07-2010 .nbh and then they work fine

I am almost ready to Flash Android to Nand, but I can not make up my mind which build/version? I am leaning towards Cyanogen, SOAD Ion?, or Vanillaeclair.
Any suggestions at all?
One is which almost all functions are stable and working.

Just a note phantom4ever2, I am not sure if these builds have Stealth tethering like nfsfans in the wm roms. So you might want to find out first. i believe there was someone in calgary on bell that was charged something like $60,000 for using it for bittorrent or something. Nfsfan did have good touch roms though.

dsmturbo said:
I am almost ready to Flash Android to Nand, but I can not make up my mind which build/version? I am leaning towards Cyanogen, SOAD Ion?, or Vanillaeclair.
Any suggestions at all?
One is which almost all functions are stable and working.
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i started w/ incubus froyo - lots of lag was my experience
then tried soad ion and it was damn fast, but i wanted "at least a 2.1" version of android (so i thought) and i installed vanillaeclair - faster, but still some lag.
think i'm going to bite bullet and just go back to either warm donut or soad ion for this phone. just seems like 1.6 is where its at for our device.
cheers

btw, it took me -forever- of reading threads, refreshing threads waiting for updates to roms, etc before i finally installed android via nand.
once you do it you'll see it actually is nothing at all and actually quite easy!

as i have used all the previous builds, i believe the guys working on froyo have the finest product thus far. despite other user issues, i have never had a problem with messages and issues i have run into have been dealt with and resolved in a very timely manor.
good luck

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Just a note phantom4ever2, I am not sure if these builds have Stealth tethering like nfsfans in the wm roms. So you might want to find out first. i believe there was someone in calgary on bell that was charged something like $60,000 for using it for bittorrent or something. Nfsfan did have good touch roms though.
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Oh, oh, is there a way to tell which release/builds have stealth tethering?

cyburke said:
btw, it took me -forever- of reading threads, refreshing threads waiting for updates to roms, etc before i finally installed android via nand.
once you do it you'll see it actually is nothing at all and actually quite easy!
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Thank you for your input cyburke.
Yes, I have been trying everything via Haret, although I think that some of the issues using haret may disappear if I flash to nand (camera, etc)
I haven't played with Fresh Froyo at all though. Or Ion release
I am concerned though, as someone posted that perhaps these do not have 'Stealth' tethering, I would hate for Bell to come and take my house LOL

[Q] What is the best ROM Android?

Which is the best ROM Android according to you for our beloved HTC Vogue taking into account the following: drums, interface, stability and speed.
I remember having seen a topic well here but it seems I am far behind so best is to create a more updated where their votes will have a reference for users wishing to change their WinMO by Android and don't know which is the best ROM today.
Best regards.
Sorry for my bad English (translator online).

scooter's
However you have to make sure to update all the apps manually. I'm really happy with the response and stability

cacapee said:
scooter's
However you have to make sure to update all the apps manually. I'm really happy with the response and stability
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Taketh into account your suggestion, then I install this ROM this in the thread called: Scoot CyanogenMod 6.1 (RLS5a) [01/12/1910]?

Try Scooter's ROM and also try this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819081
Fat Free release 5 Froyo
works best with the 10-31-10 2.6.25 Vogue Kernel
If you use the Scooter Rls 5a rom - you have to use a 2.6.32 kernel
Both are good roms as far as speed and stability.

Does_It_Matter said:
Try Scooter's ROM and also try this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819081
Fat Free release 5 Froyo
works best with the 10-31-10 2.6.25 Vogue Kernel
If you use the Scooter Rls 5a rom - you have to use a 2.6.32 kernel
Both are good roms as far as speed and stability.
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The ROM Fat Free Froyo [ODEX'd RLS5] is the that I have installed but with Kernel 2.6.32 and I think that is why me to so many problems.
Scooter Rls 5a install after.
Best regards.

So to conclude Scoot's build is the best, most stable and fastest build for vogue out there....
Even better than fresh froyo which i am currently very happely using. Would a transfer be worthwhile??????????

Depends on your usage.
I never had an issue with Scoot's or Fat-Free Froyo
However, with Scoots - you need the 2.6.32 kernels
The Fat-Free Froyo's can use the 2.6.25 kernels
When using USB - I was only successful on getting reliable USB connects with 2.6.25 kernels
So - if you do a lot of USB transferring, you probably want to stick with 2.6.25 kernel,
meaning you'd be stuck using the Fat-Free Froyo version.

Kinda a noob question, other than sd card not working, why would one want to use the 2.6.32 kernel?
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Depends on your usage.
I never had an issue with Scoot's or Fat-Free Froyo
However, with Scoots - you need the 2.6.32 kernels
The Fat-Free Froyo's can use the 2.6.25 kernels
When using USB - I was only successful on getting reliable USB connects with 2.6.25 kernels
So - if you do a lot of USB transferring, you probably want to stick with 2.6.25 kernel,
meaning you'd be stuck using the Fat-Free Froyo version.
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Kinda a noob question, other than sd card not working, why would one want to use the 2.6.32 kernel?
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I think that you question is because used the kernel 2.6.32 and if you read the previous messages is by works better with this kernel USB connection and for the ROM Fat Free Froyo is the should be used.
Depends on your usage.
I never had an issue with Scoot's or Fat-Free Froyo
However, with Scoots - you need the 2.6.32 kernels
The Fat-Free Froyo's can use the 2.6.25 kernels
When using USB - I was only successful on getting reliable USB connects with 2.6.25 kernels
So - if you do a lot of USB transferring, you probably want to stick with 2.6.25 kernel,
meaning you'd be stuck using the Fat-Free Froyo version.
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Exact, I use much the USB connection and so far the only one what worked is Fat-Free Froyo that thing and installed again with the kernel that I recommended up.
Thank you all for your answers

cacapee said:
Kinda a noob question, other than sd card not working, why would one want to use the 2.6.32 kernel?
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Well, like stated above - it depends on what ROM you want.
The Scoot ROM's require 2.6.32 to function correctly, but I could never get USB sync to work correctly, so I don't use the Scoot ROM's
I stuck with Fat Free Froyo and the 2.6.25 kernel (10-31-10) dated one
Works for me and the USB sync also functions

As I am in no need of connecting my phone to my pc, the criteria of chosing a Android build is purely based on its stability and speed..
So who is the victor then?
Of these builds,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819081: [Android] Fat Free Froyo [ODEX'D RLS5] 11/4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712310: Incubus26Jc's Super FroYo 2.2.1 [Deodexed] [RLS16] [10/2/10] All Languages
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738612: [ROM] SagaROM Froyo Ultralite [RLS5] [12/4/10] with Data App Replacements
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868584: CM6.1 Barebones "Gingerbones" RLS5.1 12/12/2010 + 4.55 Re-release
I also have a question about the different kernels, does the 2.6.32 kernel has any speed improvements towards the 2.6.25 kernel..And if it's not too much of an hassle I would like to know the diffence between the kernels (maybe a changelog to be found somewhere, cause I couldn't find one).
**Offtopic: There isn't an Android build with multitouch support for our devices, since the screen is resistive, is there? (the reason why I ask is because the new google maps has the function to see 3d buildings, but our phones also don't pack enough graphic power do they?)**

**Offtopic: There isn't an Android build with multitouch support for our devices, since the screen is resistive, is there? (the reason why I ask is because the new google maps has the function to see 3d buildings, but our phones also don't pack enough graphic power do they?)**
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The new Google Maps this very good but for terminals of last generation and obvious that Vogue it is not JAJAJA.
Well, like stated above - it depends on what ROM you want.
The Scoot ROM's require 2.6.32 to function correctly, but I could never get USB sync to work correctly, so I don't use the Scoot ROM's
I stuck with Fat Free Froyo and the 2.6.25 kernel (10-31-10) dated one
Works for me and the USB sync also functions
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And you working properly the camera? As indicate works me well USB connection but the camera has some bugs when you zoom and switch to video mode closes and install the kernel you mention 2.6.25 kernel (10-31-10).

Josue_181 said:
And you working properly the camera? As indicate works me well USB connection but the camera has some bugs when you zoom and switch to video mode closes and install the kernel you mention 2.6.25 kernel (10-31-10).
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As for the camera functions I have the same problems, but I don´t really use the camera and the usb to pc connection. I only care about the stability and speed of a build. I only use the phone for calling and internet.

kind of a useless poll.... obviously FROYO is the best... because its the newest and has the most fixes, features, ect.... and when Gingerbread comes out (and is stable...) It will be the best ROM to have.... yet again because its the newest.
Why would donut (ie the oldest, most outdated rom) ever be the best?
A more accurate Poll would be compare separate dev's roms (two people who have made a Froyo release).... but that isn't very nice, as someones feelings will always end up getting hurt.
This poll cannot be done properly

As for the camera functions I have the same problems, but I don´t really use the camera and the usb to pc connection. I only care about the stability and speed of a build. I only use the phone for calling and internet.
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Ok just wanted to be sure that not only happened to me and I do not use my camera much but it would be better to have all 100% operational.
kind of a useless poll.... obviously FROYO is the best... because its the newest and has the most fixes, features, ect.... and when Gingerbread comes out (and is stable...) It will be the best ROM to have.... yet again because its the newest.
Why would donut (ie the oldest, most outdated rom) ever be the best?
A more accurate Poll would be compare separate dev's roms (two people who have made a Froyo release).... but that isn't very nice, as someones feelings will always end up getting hurt.
This poll cannot be done properly
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If you do not like the survey simply NO VOTE no because it is newer something mean better.

quartapound said:
kind of a useless poll.... obviously FROYO is the best... because its the newest and has the most fixes, features, ect.... and when Gingerbread comes out (and is stable...) It will be the best ROM to have.... yet again because its the newest.
Why would donut (ie the oldest, most outdated rom) ever be the best?
A more accurate Poll would be compare separate dev's roms (two people who have made a Froyo release).... but that isn't very nice, as someones feelings will always end up getting hurt.
This poll cannot be done properly
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i disagree, donut was the most solid. it was stable, and it was the first and last time Everything (except mass storage on windows) worked.
mms didnt work either (sending receiving on sprint works fine) and if you use the one RIL update even that works (another users tested and found it)
camera AND camcorder worked (with older kernels)
it didnt have data corruption issues
vogue battery consumption was great
it ran on the old 2.6.25 kernels without any sort of sleep screen of death
ran on haret just fine
just because its not the newest version of android means it gets forgotten, esp with new people starting with froyo and not knowing the history thats there. by your statement your saying that vista was better than xp just because xp was older, even though it had poor memory management and was a resource hog. your statement is exactly the reason why people forget how soild donut was.
and no froyo doesnt have the most fixes on native devices yes froyo and gingerbread will be better, but on the vogue it has just cause more problems the newer version we go. i personally used froyo but its obvious you weren't here for the progression to froyo

Well, you might wait for dzo's gingerbread port...

Better not could you have said thoughtlesskyle as I said in my previous comment it mas not new is always better and which not like this survey simply not vote and thus avoids inconvenience.
Best regards.

Fat Free Froyo all the way!
Definitely fat free froyo (odex RLS5). I have tried every other release on my vogue and nothing has been as smooth as the Fat Free Froyo. SuperFroyo is probably the next best thing, but the Rom takes up a lot of space and finally I'm left out with only about 19Mb or something after I install three or something other applications. And also it lags a lot and freezes and crashes more often. Fat Free Froyo is refreshing, the new theme that is.. and I've had it for over 2 weeks now and it hasn't frozen and I didn't need to restart my phone so often. There are some bugs in it , with the Voice search widget and the android keyboard for example, but thats a really small price to pay for the quickness and stability it offers.

i dont use the build much but supposedly my galaxyS build is pretty stable too, i dont use it much though since i kind of did it because i could
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827008