I am really close to buying a Nook Color, but with my luck an updated model will be available shortly after. I would be willing to wait a couple of months if a new one was on the horizon.
Then again, I could get one now, then give it to my g/f when a new one comes out.
i doubt it, ive heard nothing about a new model, in fact why would they release a new one? this one does everything they would want the device to do. maybe they would do something about the handful of design flaws.. but it does not appear to have created enough buzz to warrant a redesign. Not to mention the fact that this one is rather new to the market.
I wouldn't expect a nook color 2 for some time, if at all. B&N is hurting pretty bad as a company (read: hemorrhaging money). I know they struck gold Jerry with the original nook (~30% market share for e-readers), but that still doesn't change the fact that B&N can't close stores fast enough.
B&N put out an ultra-fancy e-reader, one that is vastly over-qualified for what they wanted it to do, so there's lots of room for them to grow into as they release updates. As far as we know, the nook color (hardware wise) can handle both Froyo and Gingerbread with ease, and by the looks of it HoneyComb as well. Also, it was about a year inbetween the two nooks being released, so I would count on almost 1.5-2 years before we start hearing rummors.
I say, get one while you have the cash.
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I'm pretty sure that B&N is going to shift their goals to building out their Development platform before planning new hardware. Besides, they aren't making their margin on these Nooks, but rather setting up a somewhat razor/refill market that will (hopefully) get people into stores and more interested in their eBooks.
They might NOT be on top of the stack right now, but I'd go to B&N before setting foot in a Borders...
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I am really close to buying a Nook Color, but with my luck an updated model will be available shortly after. I would be willing to wait a couple of months if a new one was on the horizon.
Then again, I could get one now, then give it to my g/f when a new one comes out.
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I'm sorry but by this logic... why buy anything tech based? I don't need to think about buying the Iphone 4, I know that 5 will be out soon. Shortly after that 6, so on and so forth.
You need to read less what HACKERS are doing, and more what people SHOULD be doing with a Nookcolor. In the E-Reader market, the nookcolor is the top of the line model. When you look at other E-Readers many people rather have E-Ink (or its at least a common complaint), Currently a real "Nook Color" base doesn't exist. A lot of the features are not fully formed, and completely designed. Many Magazines, do not appear on the market. Even a lot of the actual "E-Reader" aspects are not all there, but lets move past this.
For there to be a "NookColor 2" there needs to be a reason to justify a better version. Unlike Apple B&N cant really afford to do an upgrade like the 3g to 3gs. The screen is very high grade, theres no real lag reading, the E-Reader programs are way better than the default one, backlit, color, etc. The most an upgrade would have would be more a redesign, theres nothing else it needs that it doesn't already have. Things like more memory would fall short, 5 gigs is more than enough for the core function, and buying a memory card is not that much of a hassle.
I agree, no upgrade coming this year. Feel free to buy!
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I wouldn't expect a nook color 2 for some time, if at all. B&N is hurting pretty bad as a company (read: hemorrhaging money). I know they struck gold Jerry with the original nook (~30% market share for e-readers), but that still doesn't change the fact that B&N can't close stores fast enough.
B&N put out an ultra-fancy e-reader, one that is vastly over-qualified for what they wanted it to do, so there's lots of room for them to grow into as they release updates. As far as we know, the nook color (hardware wise) can handle both Froyo and Gingerbread with ease, and by the looks of it HoneyComb as well. Also, it was about a year inbetween the two nooks being released, so I would count on almost 1.5-2 years before we start hearing rummors.
I say, get one while you have the cash.
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Are you sure bn is not doing well and not mixing bn and borders up...i know borders is not doing well
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Are you sure bn is not doing well and not mixing bn and borders up...i know borders is not doing well
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Check out this link, it's a wiki for investers: http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Barnes_&_Noble_(BKS)
Now go down to "business growth."
B&N is, for a lack of a better term, bleeding money at an unsustainable rate.
Hell, they lost over $40 Million in just the last half of 2010. That's more than they made in the entire year of 2010. And on top of that, they earned HALF of what they made in 2009. Their operating margin(% of the difference between cost and retail of products sold that can go towards profit, or return on sales) fell from 2.8% to 1.3%(BTW that's god-awfull)
Even with their sales increasing nearly by double digits quarter after quarter. They make so little(% wise) that the increase of sales is overshadowed by the increase of costs assosiated with selling more of something.
So, pretty much half of the company just breaks even. The other half either losses money, or losses LOTS of money.
Don't be surprised if B&N doesn't survive long enough to honor our 1yr warrenties.
The real question is. Who's going to buy them? And, will the nook product line survive the transfer of ownership?
Edit: added comment about increasing sales.
Admiralvic said:
I'm sorry but by this logic... why buy anything tech based? I don't need to think about buying the Iphone 4, I know that 5 will be out soon. Shortly after that 6, so on and so forth.
... For there to be a "NookColor 2" there needs to be a reason to justify a better version. Unlike Apple B&N cant really afford to do an upgrade like the 3g to 3gs.
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Actually, I am not the type of person to sit back and wait for the latest version to come out, unless it has been some time since the original came out. Also, even if a new version comes out it has to be a big enough change for me to buy it. For instance, I bought the first generation iPod Touch, but didn't spring for the subsequent Gen. 2 or 3 because they were only minor upgrades, in my opinion. But when Gen. 4 came out, I upgraded.
The Nook has been out since last fall, I believe, and I remember reading on some tech site (CNET, maybe?) that this spring a new Nook Color would appear with 3g. I would only get this, however, if the 3g was free like on the Kindle.
In any event, where would you guys be more likely to purchase a Nook Color -- at an online retailer, or go directly to your local B&N store?
Aww that is news is bad for BN...my three stores always have people in them and two of them I always have to wait in line...unless I am there at odd hours
If I can buy locally for almost the same price...I will always buy locally. Now if I could have obtained the nook for $200 online...you bet I would have gone online! I think most "e-reader" people would prefer to go to a physical store than buy online...but look at the success of the Kindle...
Another aspect my stores are pushing are the Nook Color classes or meeting to share tips and tricks and how toos on the NC. While these dont apply to me...I would imagine they would appeal to the mass users of the NC.
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I want to get the best deal on one of these, is Craigslist the place?
Or should I buy new for $250? or are there some going for 200 new?
Retail, you'll find them new for $250. (I haven't seen them go on sale)
There was a deal on B&N's eBay store (that only applied to ebay purchase) for $50 off... making it $200. But that deal has since expired.
After that there is the Craig's List or ebay route to take your chances and buy a used one.
Although I'm sure most people will not have problems, I wouldn't buy a nook over ebay or craigslist and I'd spend the extra $50 for new. That way you have full warranty for one.
That's true. I'm trying to convince my mom to get one but she keeps saying that there will be much better technology in a couple of months...
Never live in the past but always learn from it.
There will be... for 600-800 bucks.
Though the new resistive Coby model looks very interesting for $170.
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That's true. I'm trying to convince my mom to get one but she keeps saying that there will be much better technology in a couple of months...
Never live in the past but always learn from it.
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yeah, but that's like saying you should get a galaxy tab or Xoom over a Nook. For the price there is nothing like it. Sure in a year from now we might see more, but in two years from now, we'll see something twice as good as that, so it's all on when you want to get into the game. I personally bought the nook with the thought that a year or year and a half from now I'm going to upgrade and spend the good money on a good one (if I still want it)
There is always something better coming out tomorrow. You just have to figure out what it is that you want in a tablet. I for one wanted a tablet to mess around with a decent price point that has android on it and i can download some apps and have somehing to easily browse the web. I originally bought a archos 101 which is a very cool product but after a couple of weeks I realized i couldn't stand the viewing angles of it, i mean i could barely stand to look at it in landscape mode and it was unbeariable in portrait mode as it just messe with my eyes. So i got the nook color and the screen is fantastic. I've rooted it and installed my favorite launcher and some simple apps that i enjoy using. Plus the great thing bout the nook color is a lot of people are hacking it and developing roms for it and someday hopefully we will have a nice version of honeycomb to play around with.
This may or may not be of help to the OP, but, there is a $15.00 Gift Card offer available for Referral.
With the Groupon B&N GC, I made a small purchase and along with it a free trial of B&N Membership; also I registered my NOOK COLOR bought from B&N Ebay offer. Not sure, which one triggered it, but I received Email from B&N with the above offer.
So, you may want to check with your friends near you.
Regarding purchase for your Mom: her age, eyesight and nimbleness of her fingers, would be a major consideration to make sure a 7" tablet will suffice. Notwithstanding, these factors for older people, I feel this is the best bargain in its price range.
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There will be... for 600-800 bucks.
Though the new resistive Coby model looks very interesting for $170.
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Do not buy it.
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honestly I wouldnt buy it used.. I was considering buying one on craigslist and decided to go to the store... this is why i wouldnt buy it used..
My first nook.. returned it in less than an hour because it had rippling of the LCD beneath the digitzer.
My second nook, returned and exchanged it 6 days later because the bezel was creaky, volume button would stick on the + and it had horrible light leaking on the bottom right (Almost like a big yellow arc you could see at night no matter what brightness setting it was set to).
Now i am on my third nook color.. This one has dust underneath the digitizer between the LCD, creaks alot too..
Based on my experience i would highly recommend spending the extra bit of money just for the 14 day return\exchange policy coverage.. the quality control on these devices sucks.
I have no troubles, but highly recommend getting one new, just for the peace of mind of replacement if there is a hardware problem.
I think I'll pull the trigger once (hopefully) the B&N-Ebay discount happens again....I was on the fence last time last time it had a $50 discount.....
Mine is just perfect out of the box, not any single problem, love it so much.
Would anyone be able to recommend a reseller that ships to the UK? Or one that's based here preferably.
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E Bay NC
Got a $200 one on E Bay from B&N New, tried booting Froyo from SD. For some reason the MicroSD went in between the back cover and Chassis. Since I had to take it apart to extract the card, and probably voided the warantee
I decided to go the auto-nooter route and use the sd for storage. Thr back does seem a little creaky now, but everything works fine. Hate those micro sd's, already lost one, and broke another.
Jim
xdabr said:
There will be... for 600-800 bucks.
Though the new resistive Coby model looks very interesting for $170.
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I have a current model Coby, with the resistive screen. I don't like it. I'm use to the touch screen on my OG Droid. Also have a NC and I think it is a good tablet for the price. I couldn't see paying $600 for a tablet, especially if I bricked it from messing around with it.
it is true, the dev community for the NC is so much larger than the Coby community.
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Thanks; the new Coby (shipping from Amazon soon) adds multitouch and a front camera, so it mimics the iPad2 to a tiny degree. Unfortunately I still don't know any retailers that carry it locally so I could see just how bad the touchscreen is. (I've used Windows Mobile resistive screens, and I think they're fine!)
To Whom It May Concern,
As an Android enthusiast and owner of a Nook Color, I'd like to let you know that your entirely open and permissive attitude towards the modding community has made me VERY inclined to purchase content from you whenever possible. I've already bought three e-books from you and plan to buy more from you and ONLY you whenever I feel like purchasing content. This approach IS making you money. I promise.
Sincerely,
a now-devoted B&N customer
Somehow I do not think they intended the Nook to be as open as it is.
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Somehow I do not think they intended the Nook to be as open as it is.
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Maybe, but they haven't done anything to change it in any of their updates, either.
Let's hope that attitude remains the same when the official 2.2 update comes out. I'm with you though, I love this thing! Outside of Netflix, there's nothing the iPad has that I want and I cannot wait for Google to release their 3+ AOSP so we can make these Nooks even better!
You'd be surprised at what B&N suspected. I mean why else pack this much punch into an ereader with the Android OS backing it? They knew what they were doing. If they didn't, then I feel sorry for them...Im happy it got past them, but c'mon, the Android community has blown up since late 2009, Rooting became 100% legal (even if it voids the warrenty) and they even made it easy by allowing the SD card to boot first! They either planned it or it was horribly designed.
It's just guesswork, but I think B&N made it just difficult enough that casual users wouldn't be likely to screw up their NC but easy enough that the android community would be able to- and generate a huge amount of buzz about the Nook Color.
If it was JUST an e-reader as intended, half the articles you see online would not exist; maybe even fewer.
Pretty good advertising if you ask me...
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It's just guesswork, but I think B&N made it just difficult enough that casual users wouldn't be likely to screw up their NC but easy enough that the android community would be able to- and generate a huge amount of buzz about the Nook Color.
If it was JUST an e-reader as intended, half the articles you see online would not exist; maybe even fewer.
Pretty good advertising if you ask me...
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There's no such thing as bad press.
The flip side to having little to no device security is easy maintenance. I'd be surprised if BN stores didn't have a full reinstall/recover microsd image. It would be so easy to do.
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It's just guesswork, but I think B&N made it just difficult enough that casual users wouldn't be likely to screw up their NC but easy enough that the android community would be able to- and generate a huge amount of buzz about the Nook Color.
If it was JUST an e-reader as intended, half the articles you see online would not exist; maybe even fewer.
Pretty good advertising if you ask me...
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I also think that at LEAST 1/3rd (if not way, way more than that) of the people who bought it did so to make it into a tablet (or the very least to root it)
I am buying books on it. I am recommending friends buy it, and let them know they only get help if they bought it from Barnes and Noble.
I want B&N to get all the revenue from this device, and won't touch a Best Buy unit.
And yes, I bought it once I knew it was rootable and a great platform to learn Android hardware with.
Even as an Amazon Prime member/Kindle owner, I have been purchasing ebooks from B &N to show support for this device. I had planned on buying a Xoom this summer, but this device has exceeded my expectations.
They really need to up their advertising on this device.
roustabout said:
I am buying books on it. I am recommending friends buy it, and let them know they only get help if they bought it from Barnes and Noble.
I want B&N to get all the revenue from this device, and won't touch a Best Buy unit.
And yes, I bought it once I knew it was rootable and a great platform to learn Android hardware with.
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JLCollier2005 said:
You'd be surprised at what B&N suspected. I mean why else pack this much punch into an ereader with the Android OS backing it?
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This is one of my biggest questions about the NC. I strongly suspect that development of the device pre-dates Barnes and Noble's interest in it, though I have no way of knowing that for sure.
I bought my Nook and one for my nephew as soon as they rooted it with no intention of using it as an e-reader. I had never been to a B&N and bought all of my books from Amazon or Borders. Since I bought the Nook I ordered all of my school books from B&N and have also bought a few e-books and audio books from them. The Nook provided exposure to B&N that they would not of had in my case.
Just my 2 cents on how open b&n is about rooting the nc. I went into a bn store to get a cover and was presented a book by an employee on how to root and make it a full fledged tablet.
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Just my 2 cents on how open b&n is about rooting the nc. I went into a bn store to get a cover and was presented a book by an employee on how to root and make it a full fledged tablet.
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The reps are real cool about rooting it and know what they're talking about. Then you get the guy I got the other day who knew nothing about the nook period. They either know all or are dumb as hell.
As an employee of BN, specifically a digital lead, with a rooted nook color running CM7, I do my best to let management know how important it is for me to be able to support the modding community. I root devices in-store, fix rooted devices, and make sure returns and warranty problems go off without a hitch even for modded machines. I never feel as though I am going against the grain and I think we're being very smart about all of this so far.
I guess I'm in the minority here. I bought the Nook because I'm too cheap for the iPad. I'm also too cheap to pay B&N's prices for their books and I am always on the lookout for free ebooks. Paying $7.00 and more on a regular basis for books seems like waste.
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To Whom It May Concern,
As an Android enthusiast and owner of a Nook Color, I'd like to let you know that your entirely open and permissive attitude towards the modding community has made me VERY inclined to purchase content from you whenever possible. I've already bought three e-books from you and plan to buy more from you and ONLY you whenever I feel like purchasing content. This approach IS making you money. I promise.
Sincerely,
a now-devoted B&N customer
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Dear Barnes & Noble;
I bought the Nook Color in mid-December simply because it could be rooted. Since that time, I have purchased a cover, screen protectors, and extra charger and 58 e-books. The NC is a great product, and your employees that I've dealt with support it enthusiastically, even though it's rooted. This results in a happy, loyal customer base and helps ensure repeat business. Kudos to you.
I will sign the letter too!
I had no great love for Barnes & Noble before this (their pricing took a steep upward spiral many years ago; long ago they were the only good discounter, but that's long gone and I have little use for lattes and biscotti in a bookstore). But now I have a very soft spot for them and we visit the store more frequently to buy things as inexpensive as paper magazines and toys and as expensive as, well, the Nook.
Let's hope they continue with the openness and don't make fools of us by root-blocking attempts with the 2.2 release.
For what it's worth every B&N clerk I've asked about the Nook has "just happened to mention" that it's rootable -- I almost think it's part of their official sales pitch.
Given that B&N set up store displays for the Nook Color that included a book that told you how to root the Nook ... I'd guess they were pretty open to the idea that it would be ... open. Heck, I've had 2 long conversations with employees in B&N stores telling them about how to get more up to date info here on XDA. I can't read the minds of the execs at the top that product managed Nook Color, but everything from the lower levels says they're perfectly happy with it.
Consider me /signed as well
According to Engadget B&N (from SEC 8-K form) will be releasing a new Nook on May 24th. Anyone know anything you must tell me, I have to know!!!
Oh noes, not more Nook rumors!!! B&N is slowly turning to Apple.
Seriously, I haven't heard, but that means less than nothing.
when you file it with the Securities and Exchange Commission, rumor is really not the appropriate word.
This is just a guess, but I would bet it is a larger eReader similar to the Kindle DX. I mean really the Nook Color, for what it is designed for, is already hardware overkill, (I mean seriously...its an eReader regardless of what we are doing with it) so even IF its a new color model it will probably be less powerful than the current model to keep the price low.
Anyway...in summary...I'm thinking 10" Nook. Probably eInk.
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This is just a guess, but I would bet it is a larger eReader similar to the Kindle DX. I mean really the Nook Color, for what it is designed for, is already hardware overkill, (I mean seriously...its an eReader regardless of what we are doing with it) so even IF its a new color model it will probably be less powerful than the current model to keep the price low.
Anyway...in summary...I'm thinking 10" Nook. Probably eInk.
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I agree with this. I am sorry, but people, the nook color only really hit stores in November.. in no way is it ready for replacement.
Now, I CAN believe that the original nook could be getting a replacement. Not everyone want an LCD eReader, and the classic nook is old enough that it is a due for a replacement.
I'm pretty sure they just launched a new ad campaign for the current NC. It'd be odd to be coming out with an updated model at the moment.
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... the nook color ... in no way is it ready for replacement.
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B&N first needs to see what Amazon will do with their color reader anyway.
BTW thanks for resurrecting HC for Nook.
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I agree with this. I am sorry, but people, the nook color only really hit stores in November.. in no way is it ready for replacement.
Now, I CAN believe that the original nook could be getting a replacement. Not everyone want an LCD eReader, and the classic nook is old enough that it is a due for a replacement.
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Ditto
My Nook 3G isn't the greatest e-ink reader - good but not great. I'd swap it for a Sony reader if I had money to burn. I was wondering when they would release a new e-ink Nook.
Perhaps it might be a 3G Nook Color?
although I'm leaning towards it being a new e-ink version of the somewhat out-dated nook.
We shall all wait and see
Just about everyone has been selling the original nooks (e-ink version, new and refurbished) at seriously discounted prices over the last few months. I believe B&N has been trying to clear out their stock in preparation for a replacement to the original nook.
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Just about everyone has been selling the original nooks (e-ink version, new and refurbished) at seriously discounted prices over the last few months. I believe B&N has been trying to clear out their stock in preparation for a replacement to the original nook.
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Absolutely. Sub $100 everywhere.
*maybe* we get a color e-ink Nook based on Mirasol tech or something. Would be great for comic books and kid's books. That's about the best we can expect.
I'm betting on a 10" NC.
new Nook?
Hope so.. I think now that B&N have an apps store for their current NC, I think they want to go the whole hog like amazon..
Thankfully I just put my NookColor order on hold
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Hope so.. I think now that B&N have an apps store for their current NC, I think they want to go the whole hog like amazon..
Thankfully I just put my NookColor order on hold
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You are silly if you think it is in any way a Nook Color replacement. And I really don't see them bringing out a 10" either...
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According to Engadget B&N (from SEC 8-K form) will be releasing a new Nook on May 24th. Anyone know anything you must tell me, I have to know!!!
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B&N filed a form 8-K which states:
"In a meeting with investor analysts on May 4, 2011, Barnes & Noble, Inc. (the "Company") indicated it expects to make an announcement on May 24, 2011 regarding the launch of a new eReader device."
An announcement regarding a launch is not the same thing as a release of something new.
Most of you know much more of the technology behind this than I ever will, but from a business standpoint it's unlikely that this new eReader would be an upgrade to the NC. Based on what I do know, it's more than likely an upgrade to the Nook Classic with e-ink pearl at a lower price point.
Well since there is only a 14 day return policy and I bought mine last saturday, I guess I am taking mine back this weekend and will wait for the announcment.
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Well since there is only a 14 day return policy and I bought mine last saturday, I guess I am taking mine back this weekend and will wait for the announcment.
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Really...? You are really going to return a new, working device, on the possibility that they are replacing it, despite the fact that the device is barely 6 months old, has just received a major software update(froyo and new kernel), and still has no serious equal competition?
Or ignore the fact that the classic nook has been going on clearance all across the US, including online, and that it is the classic nook, not the color, that is due for replacement?
What a sad waste of good hardware..
If the 24 May release is not what I want I will re-buy the NC since I like it. But If the new device is better then I am stuck with an outdated device and $250 because of the 14 day policy. It is the cost of the company doing business, I am sure it will be one of their manufacture refurb units on ebay for $225 in a few days.
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If the 24 May release is not what I want I will re-buy the NC since I like it. But If the new device is better then I am stuck with an outdated device and $250 because of the 14 day policy. It is the cost of the company doing business, I am sure it will be one of their manufacture refurb units on ebay for $225 in a few days.
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I know this sounds horrible but now I'm secretly hoping that the update is an unrootable NookColor that immediately replaces all existing stock. Good luck!
I don't see the big deal. The company makes the rules of 14 days. I play within their rules.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.
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Good article. I think we (rooters) are a big part of the success, not just because we buy them but we make the sales numbers look good enough to continue the push. It is also such an elegant looking device that the more people see them, the more they sell. I see a lot of them on the commuter train I take to work every morning. I would say I see more of them than iPad (I still see more original nooks, kindles, and Sony ereaders than anything). iPad sales are boosted by people that buy them because they are cool and want to use them at home. They are really too big and heavy to use comfortably on the train in my opinion and I am a 250 lb guy.
I wasn't aware of the problems Apple is having with magazine publishers. I am not a big magazine reader but I get Men's Health and it looks great on the Nook (both in the app on CM7 and the stock - I dual boot). There is no way that I would buy each edition at $4-$5. $2 a month for a subscription is a much more attractive price for me.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.
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Very ineteresting. I never realized magazines on the Nook Color were basically just PDF files.
Hopefully, publishers will eventually tweak their magazines so they fit the Nook Color's screen dimensions better "out of the box." I don't mind pinching and Zooming, and it's nice that the magazine is identical to the newstand copy, but it would be cool if the articles fit the screen better from the get-go without the need to pinch and zoom.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.
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Ewwww I'm playing with a "girls toy" *chucks nook out the window*
JK I just have to put some stickers of hot naked chicks on the back and it will be ok.
I'm probably going to buy a NC soon (first tablet) but reading the NY Times article they say that B&N is expected to debut a new e-reader this week.
Does anyone have any detail about this? maybe they'll drop the price of the current NC ($250), does someone know of a better deal? TIA
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limaunion said:
I'm probably going to buy a NC soon (first tablet) but reading the NY Times article they say that B&N is expected to debut a new e-reader this week.
Does anyone have any detail about this? maybe they'll drop the price of the current NC ($250), does someone know of a better deal? TIA
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No one knows for sure but speculation is it will be an update or an additional option the the original eInk Nook, not the Color. The Nook Color (NC) was only introduced last November as the NYT article states. With the latest upgrade and addition of apps, many think it is too soon to replace it.
The original Nook is about 1 year old which, in technology these days, means it's old.
Beyond that I haven't paid too much attention to what the actual details of the announcement might be. I'm not interested in another Nook. I'm happy with my NC.
I was reading a post in the general section of xda, about the best 5 phones, it referenced an article, and I saw an article about the amazon app, and will it succeed..(I must have ADD)
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Will...the-Amazon-tablet-before-its-launched_id20870 Will-developer-anger-at-the-Amazon-Appstore-kill-the-Amazon-tablet-before-its-launched
I wasn't really liking how amazon seems to be doing things, but look at this snippet specifically and tell me what you think..
"My feeling is that the Amazon tablet will be an extension of the Kindle. At heart, it will be an e-reader, but an e-reader with benefits. Amazon has learned from the Nook Color. Consumers want a full screen e-reader with apps and extra features, but Amazon doesn't want to foster the rooting community that has sprung up around the Nook Color. Amazon, like Apple, wants to control the experience, and this means giving consumers what they want, but it also means likely alienating the more tech savvy crowd. However, given that the Amazon tablet will be based on Android 2.x, the tech savvy crowd was already most likely alienated."
Why WOULDN'T they want a community of people spreading the word about how awesome the device is? Look at the kindle.. an overpriced device made of cheap parts, something that could have done more(mind you I own one).. but it was pretty good at the limited things it did.
Why upgrade to something that can REALLY do something?
Anyways, here is my comment/rant I am posting, but I am curious what the community they are talking about thinks. Would you buy their device if they purposely don't want us SPECIFICALLY to be able to enjoy it for what it COULD do?
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This one phrase does it for me, "Amazon, like Apple, wants to control the experience, and this means giving consumers what they want, but it also means likely alienating the more tech savvy crowd."
I am one of those people that bought a nook color, and has it doing every awesome thing that it has the hardware to do, and doing more than you'd ever think you could have it do.
That said: The problem with apple and anyone who uses them as a model.. they want to control what the device can do, so they can sell you another device in the near future. Sure, you had to jailbreak the iphone, but the original phone that couldn't record video COULD in fact record video. The iphone 3g COULD record video, but the 3gs can record hi-def, the only qualifying selling point(besides harddrive) of the device. Oh wait, a jailbroken 3g can record in the SAME QUALITY. At my old job working at a university I had to jailbreak iPads to do video out because the apple representatives said it couldn't.. they were surprised when I showed them what it can do in the classroom as soon as I got around their limitations. I am quite sure the iPhone 4 and the iPad 2 are capable of many things they DON'T do, but CAN do.. and that they will sell you a new device soon that will.(Lets fill more landfills for no reason) Hell, I had ios4.1 on an original iphone, something they said the iphone 3g couldn't do.(Now I am ranting I think)
Each release of newer device from apple was NOT an improvement in a big way, but a controlled release of a single or few features they wanted you to be able to do. Intentional limitations purely in software. It is one of the BIG reasons why I stopped buying iPhones.. to make it do everything it COULD do, I had to defy what the manufacturer didn't want it to be able to do.
If amazon does this, I don't see this as being a success.. it is the same idea as someone micromanaging. Sure, it CAN be comforting to have someone come in and tell you every little detail of what to do so you don't have to think -- unless you don't have a problem with THINKING.(This is the concept that I think constantly spawns a sheep argument)
Android, simply put, is open source. Even if a manufacturer doesn't want the phones software altered, the NATURE of the software is that it CAN be altered. You can buy an android phone/tablet, and KNOW that if the hardware can do it, and there is a community around the device, the software will allow it. This is how I stream movies, play games(meant for the tegra only devices), have a newer operating system than most android phones, and so much more.. all for 250 dollars. I didn't want a camera on a tablet. I don't want another data plan. Just something a little more comfortable.
Anyways, successful devices are the ones that can accomodate the less tech savvy in ease of use, WITHOUT stepping on the toes of those who know how to make it do more. Why should they? The new samsung galaxy s 2 has no bootloader, a great thing for those of us who want to push the limits of the beautiful hardware rather than have a device that just sounds better.. and a device like that will be embraced by any who want it because no one is trying to keep them away-- and why would they anyways?(Sheep again)
I really don't know how this could be said unless they really think all customers truly are sheep:"Amazon, like Apple, wants to control the experience, and this means giving consumers what they want.." If amazon is trying to become apple part 2, I really am done with them.
My first reaction to your post was confusion. You really buried the lead there
*IF* I read you correctly (and the article), you are asking why Amazon would want to make it impossible (or at least very difficult) for developers and enthusiasts to extend the capabilities of the mythical Amazon Tablet.
The article refers to lessons learned from the Nook Color, but I'm not sure Amazon has learned the same thing from the NC that modding enthusiasts have. We appreciate how fundamentally powerful and inexpensive the NC is. Amazon (as well as Barnes & Noble) see a high end ereader as expanding the reach of their core business... selling books.
I think the fallacy of the article cited is that they think Amazon is trying to emulate Apple. I don't think they are. They are trying to emulate Gillette and Schick. Sell the razor cheap and then make your money on the blades. Or the updated model of printers and ink. Same thing.
It is in Amazon's best interest to limit the scope of activities and applications on their tablet for a couple of reasons. They don't want the Nook app running on their tablet and they don't want to have to support a whole gamut of problems that will come with pushing the hardware to its limit.
They do on the other hand want to give the majority of their customers what they want. The Ipad and the Honeycomb tablets hitting the market are setting the bar higher and higher, so they have to respond with enough features to stay competitive.
For a mass marketer (like Apple, B&N, and Amazon) that means being selective and slow. Being an early adopter can be painful.. both for users and vendors. They are just trying to maximize their profits and this is the best strategy for that.
Honestly, I don't see Amazon really locking it down that much unless they want to cover their rear end on trying to make it hard as can be getting their DRMed ebooks off the device.
BN makes money on each NC sold (AFAIK) so even if somebody (like me) buys one just to have a tablet, they still make money off of it. Whether somebody uses it as is or converts it to a CM7 tablet is really of no consequence to them. If anything, they are more than likely to buy into the BN ecosystem I think. You've already bought a tablet so why not buy their dedicated ereader if you find that reading on the NC is a little worse than you imagined.
I mean, I own both a Nook (1st ed.) and a NC. I appreciate their openness in regards to their products (not only being able to load CM7 but also their openness in respects to formats and everything else with their eink readers) and will continue to support them over Amazon or the like, even though I really like Amazon.
I think Amazon is trying to take a little from both Apple and B&N. B&N has looked the other way while the development community opened up and enhanced the Nook Color because I think they were simply interested getting something out there that would set them apart from the Kindle and sell books. Yes, they have an app store but I do not think that was a priority other than to say they have one. Amazon sells far more than books so they want to make money in the app store as well. On top of that, Apple pretty much kicked them out of the app store unless they paid the toll. Not having a tablet to make up for that sent them rushing to copy B&N. B&N got it right the first time and I don't think they are worried that people are going to root the device and start using the Kindle app. I have both but I have yet to buy a single Kindle book. Since they are both priced about the same, why would I need to? I just bought my wife a NC so now we will share books. And, she may be perfectly happy if I leave it stock.
One final comment: I have not now nor will I ever buy an Apple product primarily because I do not like being controlled and locked out of my own device.
You're ranting about Amazon this, Amazon that, but you're referring to an article which is about Amazon. It's not from Amazon.
So will Amazon try to limit the openness of its tablet? Maybe. Has Amazon said anything to this nature? Dunno, but it's not in this article. This is all third party speculation.
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You're ranting about Amazon this, Amazon that, but you're referring to an article which is about Amazon. It's not from Amazon.
So will Amazon try to limit the openness of its tablet? Maybe. Has Amazon said anything to this nature? Dunno, but it's not in this article. This is all third party speculation.
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Actually, I was ranting about Apple.
khaytsus said:
You're ranting about Amazon this, Amazon that, but you're referring to an article which is about Amazon. It's not from Amazon.
So will Amazon try to limit the openness of its tablet? Maybe. Has Amazon said anything to this nature? Dunno, but it's not in this article. This is all third party speculation.
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Well, the article is about the Amazon appstore problems and only incidentally about the tablet. Any discussion of the tablet has to be speculation until the product actually is released.
The appstore seems to be actively hostile to developers and just there to get people onto the other Amazon pages.
There is speculation that it's there to support the tablet in a closed ecosystem, but I think it's just a side benefit (to Amazon).
I guess the real question isn't is this sensible business practice so much as would you support companies that literally go out of their way to make the things that we do like we have with our nook colors.. Some of that article isn't speculation, they have refused googles market application, and there are plenty of things that can be surmised from that that isn't speculation.
Companies used to be happy selling widgets, but now it has become popular for companies to sell widgets that COULD do more, but they limit what it can do so they can sell more widgets. It hurts progress of all kinds because it is the intentional slowing down of progress, just to profit more. If they want to sell you a new product, they should make a product that is ACTUALLY better than the previous ones.
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If they want to sell you a new product, they should make a product that is ACTUALLY better than the previous ones.
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The product Amazon would be selling with the tablet wouldn't be the tablet itself.
Why would Amazon want to make a generic do all tablet? How does that fit into their business model? How would they compete with the well established "generic" tablet makers?
Amazon is a web store, they want to get people into their store. Otherwise, Amazon would have no reason or no business making a tablet in the first place.
Barns and Noble didn't make the Nook because they wanted to make an Android tablet or because they wanted to make an e-reader, they made the Nook so people would buy books from them.
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The product Amazon would be selling with the tablet wouldn't be the tablet itself.
Why would Amazon want to make a generic do all tablet? How does that fit into their business model? How would they compete with the well established "generic" tablet makers?
Amazon is a web store, they want to get people into their store. Otherwise, Amazon would have no reason or no business making a tablet in the first place.
Barns and Noble didn't make the Nook because they wanted to make an Android tablet or because they wanted to make an e-reader, they made the Nook so people would buy books from them.
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Yea well, then they shouldn't have their webstore on those generic tablets, because why would someone buy their less-than-tablet if other tablets that probably don't cost much more can do it just as well, or better because there are so many apps those OTHER tablets can do.
I guess the way you put it, they should get out of the electronics business all together if they can't compete with what other devices do. Their best bet would be to put out a device that people want because it is BETTER than other devices, but make sure their software is on every device.. I mean I doubt it will come out at a semi-affordable price like the nook.
Any way I look at it, and everything I heard, I still think it is bad and sad ways of trying to make money.. because they are doing the minimum they can in every scenario to deserve money.
What companies like B&N and Amazon are trying to do is completely different than what companies like Motorola and Samsung are trying to do. They have completely different aims in their product goals. One side is trying to lock you in to their market and the other is trying to make a general purpose functional device.
Although I do have a feeling that I am wasting my time here...
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What companies like B&N and Amazon are trying to do is completely different than what companies like Motorola and Samsung are trying to do. They have completely different aims in their product goals. One side is trying to lock you in to their market and the other is trying to make a general purpose functional device.
Although I do have a feeling that I am wasting my time here...
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Unless you can explain what makes them think they can market devices like that AND be able to compete against devices that can do all of that and more.. that device would have to be incredibly cheap for someone to buy it, plain and simple. I will say, if the nook color could only read books, I would have regretted buying it, because for a little more I could have gotten a device that can do the same things and much more.
I don't see how they could compete against the competitors if they go about it that way, I don't think it is possible. "Their" market would have to have far far more to offer than all of the things already out. Our society is all about putting more functionality into one device, creating universal devices, not specialized ones.
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Unless you can explain what makes them think they can market devices like that AND be able to compete against devices that can do all of that and more.. that device would have to be incredibly cheap for someone to buy it, plain and simple. I will say, if the nook color could only read books, I would have regretted buying it, because for a little more I could have gotten a device that can do the same things and much more.
I don't see how they could compete against the competitors if they go about it that way, I don't think it is possible. "Their" market would have to have far far more to offer than all of the things already out. Our society is all about putting more functionality into one device, creating universal devices, not specialized ones.
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I think you are missing Joe's point. B&N already had a Nook reader, but it was barely holding it's own against the Kindle reader. B&N then decided to come out with a better, color reader that could handle magazines and other color periodicals, something that the Kindle cannot do. On top of that they added basic tablet features such as email and web browsing as well as an app market to further distinguish it from the Kindle. It was not intended to be an iPad killer. However, through the hard work of the development community it has morphed into just about a full blown tablet, minus the mic and camera. At the time a new Nook Color was $250 while an iPad was twice as much as were most other tablets. The Nook Color was created to sell more books, magazines, newspaper subscriptions and some apps directly from B&N. Thankfully, B&N looked the other way when people started to root them. I guess they realized that once they got the NC into our hands, we would still probably use the Android Nook app and continue to buy books from them anyway. Since books are generally the same price as as Kindle books, I have and will continue to buy mine from B&N. I even got my wife one in a one day sale last week for $180 so we can share the books. She may decide to leave it stock since ti meets her needs already.
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BN makes money on each NC sold (AFAIK) so even if somebody (like me) buys one just to have a tablet, they still make money off of it.
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Can you back that up with a source? I've been wondering about this for a long time, since I bought my NC only to use it as a tablet. Living in Germany, I couldn't buy B&N books even if I wanted to and that fact always bugged me a bit, since the NC obviously is so cheap because they want you to buy books.
I don't want to be ripping off a company that makes such awesome devices
Actually, there has been much debate over B&n making any real profit on the device.
Looking the main components:
1024x600 7" IPS Panel (not cheap)
TI Omap 3621 (eBook version of the 3630, featured in the Droid X)
512MB ram
8GB memory
4400mAh battery
As it is, the "cheap" tablets that are close in price, are not close in specs. Devices that ARE close in specs, are commonly more expensive.
At this point, i suspect they may be making a bit of money, but not much; and several months ago, i have no doubt that the nook was costing them, and that they really did rely on book sales (basically free money) to offset the losses.
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Actually, there has been much debate over B&n making any real profit on the device.
Looking the main components:
1024x600 7" IPS Panel (not cheap)
TI Omap 3621 (eBook version of the 3630, featured in the Droid X)
512MB ram
8GB memory
4400mAh battery
As it is, the "cheap" tablets that are close in price, are not close in specs. Devices that ARE close in specs, are commonly more expensive.
At this point, i suspect they may be making a bit of money, but not much; and several months ago, i have no doubt that the nook was costing them, and that they really did rely on book sales (basically free money) to offset the losses.
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I agree, it's most commonly estimated that the Bill of Materials for the Nook is around $200. Add in all the other overhead involved in marketing, supporting and shipping a product like this and you come to see that their profit margins are razor thin. Compare that to the iPad's BOM of $260 and you come to see that tablets like the iPad and the Nook are playing at very different games...