RAM/Internal Storage - Atrix 4G Android Development

Just a thought from another thread.. Per the system info:
RAM: 818MB (of the advertised 1GB)
Internal Storage: 10.71GB (Of the advertised 16GB)
I'm going to assume the system is using the remaining space for the WebTop. Is there anyway to disable that? I'm not worried about the internal storage, but the extra couple MB of RAM wouldn't hurt any.

good luck using the 818mb of ram

t0dbld said:
good luck using the 818mb of ram
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If the system is correct at all.. I'm using an average of about 600MB Like most things, it's not that I need it - I just want it. There's no reason to set aside 200MB for the webtop if I don't plan on buying one today or tomorrow.

16GB storage is ~2GB for webtop+Android, ~2GB for app storage, 11 for media storage.

Some of that ram is probably reserved for the webtop..just guessing!
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SN4K3B1T3 said:
Some of that ram is probably reserved for the webtop..just guessing!
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Yeah, that's what the OP said. he wants to know if possible to disable web top and regain those extra rams.

Probably in a custom rom..you could clean out the webtop and blur all in one go or just build one around the stock kernel till bootloader is unlocked..just guessing but i doubt youd be able to simply disable webtop..then again im not a dev and i dont have one in hand...damn bell hurry up and release it!!
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800mb of available for userspace is more than u will ever need in android, that by its self is a lot of ram lol.

Eth3n said:
800mb of available for userspace is more than u will ever need in android, that by its self is a lot of ram lol.
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That reminds me of the "older" generations.
"This 200MHz/32MB Ram computer will last me years! There's just no way to max it out!"
Fact is, people find a way to push our computers every day. Eventually my Atrix might be pushed, and I want the most I can get 200MB is 1/5 of the total RAM, it can't hurt to have it.

Quick fact from checking dmesg and other kernel info, once I rooted my Atrix.
The phone has 1GB of RAM, but upon boot it is allocated like this:
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Translation from kernel args to popular language:
RAM available for the OS: 832Mb
RAM reserved for the "video card": 192Mb
Even after a clear boot, with webtop completely stop, you can run /usr/bin/free and notice that there is indeed only 832MB of RAM available to the OS.
And as I posted on the the other thread about the webtop, there is no RAM consumed by the webtop when you are on "mobile mode" only. Webtop is just a second X session started on the linux OS that is below Android, redirected to the HDMI port.

uskr said:
Quick fact from checking dmesg and other kernel info, once I rooted my Atrix.
The phone has 1GB of RAM, but upon boot it is allocated like this:
[email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
Translation from kernel args to popular language:
RAM available for the OS: 832Mb
RAM reserved for the "video card": 192Mb
Even after a clear boot, with webtop completely stop, you can run /usr/bin/free and notice that there is indeed only 832MB of RAM available to the OS.
And as I posted on the the other thread about the webtop, there is no RAM consumed by the webtop when you are on "mobile mode" only. Webtop is just a second X session started on the linux OS that is below Android, redirected to the HDMI port.
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Thanks! I guess the next question is... how do we determine how much ram is being used by the display. It'd be nice to put in a couple of the "more intensive" games and see how it fairs. If it comes anywhere close to maxing it out I wouldn't mind expanding it.
I'm sure however - that Motorola has done their testing and they believe this to be the best.

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Does Kaiser run on Sprint network?

wtf, i just saw a bunch of ur guys' today screenshots and u all have 50-60mb free ram!! i am jealous, my mogul gets maybe 20mb free at its BEST, most of the time its a low 10mb wtf
Does Kaiser run on Sprint network? NO
As mentioned earlier, Sprint uses a different cellular technology than other providers, so phones are not compatible.
If you're in love with Sprint & Kaiser so much, you could always use WMWiFiRouter on your Mogul to allow your Kaiser to run on the Sprint network
If you wants the free RAM 50MB and up.. (I have 98MB free) Just flash a new ROM into your phone with BIG storage. THey are called BIG STORAGE ROMS or LITE ROMS. Hope this helps
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If you wants the free RAM 50MB and up.. (I have 98MB free) Just flash a new ROM into your phone with BIG storage. THey are called BIG STORAGE ROMS or LITE ROMS. Hope this helps
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The sprint mogul has one of these? Titan only has 64mb ram. thats why i like kaiser
gqstatus0685 said:
If you wants the free RAM 50MB and up.. (I have 98MB free) Just flash a new ROM into your phone with BIG storage. THey are called BIG STORAGE ROMS or LITE ROMS. Hope this helps
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RAM is not the same as ROM. ROM is storage, RAM is, well, RAM!
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The sprint mogul has one of these? Titan only has 64mb ram. thats why i like kaiser
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You can find out more about what Titan ROMs are available in the Titan Upgrading Forum.
It seems that 25MB free (after Kernel, OS & mail, phone & other apps running at startup) seems to be the norm.
As mentioned earlier, you have to be willing to part with Sprint service to use a Kaiser, so either take the plunge, or start reading up on Titan upgrading
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You can find out more about what Titan ROMs are available in the Titan Upgrading Forum.
It seems that 25MB free (after Kernel, OS & mail, phone & other apps running at startup) seems to be the norm.
As mentioned earlier, you have to be willing to part with Sprint service to use a Kaiser, so either take the plunge, or start reading up on Titan upgrading
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I dont think I'll ever leave Sprint...u cant beat paying about $20 a month for 2100 minutes, free incoming minutes, and unlimited everything else
u know i use to have about 21mb free with my last rom. but ever since i started cooking more flavorful roms with OEM folders my wm now only has 15mb free on a fresh boot...that quickly degrades if i try to do anything.
god i wish there was at least a ppc app that used some storage memory to create virtual ram...has anyone ever taken apart a mogul and another htc phone with 128mb ram and transplanted the memory chip to the mogul? i wonder if that woul work if someone had a broken or truly bricked phone to donate
u wont leave sprint, BUT sprint will leave you once they shut their service down.. you get what you pay for with sprint.. 20$ a month for that type of plan is what causes companies to fold.. they cant take on that kind of loss. so enjoy your plan for the next year because once 2010 rolls around chances are sprint wont be around unless verizon scoops them up.
yeah, there was a article about how if Sprint continue to lose money at the rate they did last year they will be sold or closed by the end of this year. I will look for it.
i already put my bid in on sprint.. $5.00 starting.

[Q] RAM, GPS and call volume questions

Hello,
I wiil start with the RAM. I've searched the forums for an answer to the lack of ram and people are saying the current kernel isn't supporting 512 ram which is probably bull**** because I saw a Desire HD of a friend, and it uses all the RAM. Other people say that the other Ram goes to graphic use, which is wierd, because again, the Desire HD has 512 RAM.
So my question is did someone knows the real answer? Because I'm pretty disappointed that I have 150 free RAM after I'm killing all the tasks, and some games are laggy from time to time (Angry Birds (espacially Rio), Fruit Ninja). Maybe we can even sue Samsung for publishing false specs XD
My second question is about the GPS, I'm using Phoenix ultimate rom, did anyone tried it with this fix: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957164 and saw better results? The GPS in this rom is better then other roms but i'm still find it unusable.
My thirs nd last question is that there's a problem I've saw in all the roms I've been using. When I call someone the volume is high for something like 5-10 sec and then become lower, and the volume in the call itself is pretty low and I can't talk in crowdy places. I know there's a method to increase the volume but I'm not sure how and which volume is recommended. If someone can explain me it will be great!
Thanks in advance, Elad!
For the first question.
first of all you are using 150 ram... rather than having that much left. and I dont think there is any rom right now for the captivate that use all the ram..
2. my phone also never gets good gps. just send it back to at&t and keep getting a new one until you have good gps.
3. i really dont know... sorry..
So you say this this it's the rom that doesn't support? It's really hard for me to believe this because there's a lot of devices that use 2.1 and 2.2 and uses all of the 512 mb.. :/
And for the second answer I'm not living in USA I bought it on ebay because its basebands support my mobile operator basebands lol
For your 3rd question, have you tried different modems?
first of all, you need to read up on how RAM is used in linux and android. free ram is WASTED ram. there are 100 threads on here about that topic alone. please search
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For your 3rd question, have you tried different modems?
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I don't know how to use other modem, is there a guide or something? How will I know if the modem is supporting 850 and 2100 (this is the only basebands my mobile operator supports.. I need them both for full signal.
Pirateghost said:
first of all, you need to read up on how RAM is used in linux and android. free ram is WASTED ram. there are 100 threads on here about that topic alone. please search
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I know what is RAM, but sometimes there are apps that uses a lot of ram like angry birds rio that when in stand-by mode uses almost 100mb ram. But it doesn't matter, if the phone doesn't really have 512mb they shouldn't write in the specs that it does.
Elad92 said:
I know what is RAM, but sometimes there are apps that uses a lot of ram like angry birds rio that when in stand-by mode uses almost 100mb ram. But it doesn't matter, if the phone doesn't really have 512mb they shouldn't write in the specs that it does.
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when an app needs the ram it will take it. and the phone does have 512. there are numerous threads about this as well. again, search
Pirateghost said:
when an app needs the ram it will take it. and the phone does have 512. there are numerous threads about this as well. again, search
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I've searched, and I found some theories, but still I don't know what's true.
Elad92 said:
I've searched, and I found some theories, but still I don't know what's true.
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there IS 512mb RAM, but its not all usable by the USER APPLICATIONS. some of it is used by the SYSTEM to run...
there is literally a massive thread open on this already somewhere. i will find it later
here is some reading for you to do in the meantime:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008237&highlight=ram
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792512&highlight=512mb
just as others have stated the phone DOES have 512mb of RAM. Just like with your computer you may have 2 gigs of RAM installed but that does not mean that you are going to be able to use all of it. More then likely several hundred mbs of that is going to go to system processes like svchost and explorer.exe. That leaves only part of that available for user applications.
As others have stated ram that is free is doing the phone no good. accesses to ram is hundreds of times faster then accesses to main memory so if a program has to load block into RAM it is going to get slowed down. Its better to just let the phone do its own thing and keep applications that are frequently used in RAM so they dont have to get loaded when needed
I have 2 captivates, the only GPS Fix I found that works, is an article that describes all the settings, and after I understood what each setting was I adjusted them to what makes sense, and it works great now. Accuracy ranges 16 to 32 ft. But none of the video's or anything other article worked.
Here is the title of the article. "Why Samsung Galaxy S i9000 GPS is inaccurate and how to fix it." It is located here on XDA-developers.
And BTW I am using the AT&T release of Froyo. Don't have a need to switch to another ROM, everything works.
Brian
Thank you, the ram questions was answered
Does anybody knows something about the other two questions?
In regards to GPS, I flashed Serendipity and its at least mostly usable now. Before, I couldn't get a lock unless I was standing still, then id lose it when I moved.
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My previous rom was Serendipity, and I flashed to phoenix few days after because of mysterious problems (which now I know had no connection to the rom). Anyway, I love Phoenix, does anyone have phoenix and can use the GPS?
In response to the GPS questions:
The GPS is designed to use the aluminum backplate as an antenna. If you have a thick case on it will work terribly. Thin silicon cases work well enough. Another thing to look at is the app you are using for navigation. Try and find telenav for the i9000 and it will work for the captivate. Google navigation will work terribly. If you have a navigation app that uses generated maps(telenav) or stored maps your GPS will be decent enough to use and will help quite a bit. Read plumbobs guide for more information in the captivate development section.
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the captivate has 512 mb ram total
much of that is hardwired for video. the desire hd if it is the same as the inspire has 768mb total so 512 is available for the system to use.
Has anyone tried using navigation with google maps already pre-loaded? If so how is it? Did it improve navigation performance? Google navigation is absolutely horrible for me. Constantly losing signal while driving rendering it useless.

What constitutes decent system for programming?

Decent conversation-no haters please-
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Ram...that'll do...5 more GB than me :good:
Processor -- couldn't tell if it said 1.5 or 2.5 -- either way, with it a quad core :good: though 1.5 might take about 3-5 hours to compile a rom
Can't see HD sizes, but if over 100GB then :good:
Needs Linux...you really don't have the power to do it in a VM.
For hard drives, I recommend 3 -- One windows, one linux, one for android development
Windows need 2\3 partitions -- boot, swap, windows (500GB if I installed it, my only unused partition if I wanted to part it up and use 7)
Linux needs 4 -- boot, swap, root, home (360GB -- for me its 50GB root...holds a full chroot ubuntu as well, 6gb swap -- x2 my ram, 2gb boot, rest as home)min is 10-20GB home, rest is same...boot can be 1gb, but I like 2 to hold more old kernels\boot other distros I'm testing in that 500gb spare.
Android needs 1 -- all the space you can throw at it (360GB on my machine)
Windows setup is obvious
Linux setup is so all you have to do is format boot and root and delete all the .files (all configurations files) from /home, install a new distro, and all your crap is still there...on a distro hop you might have to first log in as root directly to terminal and do a "chown your.user.name /home/your.user.name"....depends on the distro and how hardcore your security is setup.
Android setup -- so if you lose windows or linux you don't have to repo sync for hours on end, all you gotta do is add sdk/binaries to your Linux $PATH...makes deving so much easier keeping it all on its own drive.
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U Have killer rig mate u can make your work without any hassle
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Thats 3.60GHZ AMD FX quad core
skeevydude said:
Ram...that'll do...5 more GB than me :good:
Processor -- couldn't tell if it said 1.5 or 2.5 -- either way, with it a quad core :good: though 1.5 might take about 3-5 hours to compile a rom
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Thats 3.60GHZ AMD FX quad core
skeevydude said:
Ram...that'll do...5 more GB than me :good:
Processor -- couldn't tell if it said 1.5 or 2.5 -- either way, with it a quad core :good: though 1.5 might take about 3-5 hours to compile a rom
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Couldn't tell, picture was too small at normal size and blurry fullscreen (42" tv)
Provided you have the HD space, you're more than good enough to go....expect around 1 hour long compiles, maybe a bit more or less, but somewhere around that judging by my past pc and current pc performance and your specs posted.
For most, the hardest thing about kanging is learning linux, git commands, and not knowing programming to fix code merges....I've been lucky in how even though I can't program I can recognize enough of what's going on to see the patterns and figure it out...most things anyways....a bit of scripting experience didn't hurt either...from 10 years of using Linux.
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I wish I would have stuck with it! I had the red hat 6 Linux bible long time ago... Did visual basic in highschool and was head of a team came 3rd in Chicago 1999 bdpa
And my screen shot is vizio 37in...cool.
skeevydude said:
noobsaibot34 said:
Thats 3.60GHZ AMD FX quad core
Couldn't tell, picture was too small at normal size and blurry fullscreen (42" tv)
Provided you have the HD space, you're more than good enough to go....expect around 1 hour long compiles, maybe a bit more or less, but somewhere around that judging by my past pc and current pc performance and your specs posted.
For most, the hardest thing about kanging is learning linux, git commands, and not knowing programming to fix code merges....I've been lucky in how even though I can't program I can recognize enough of what's going on to see the patterns and figure it out...most things anyways....a bit of scripting experience didn't hurt either...from 10 years of using Linux.
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I wish I would have stuck with it! I had the red hat 6 Linux bible long time ago... Did visual basic in highschool and was head of a team came 3rd in Chicago 1999 bdpa
And my screen shot is vizio 37in...cool.
I just finished learning VB Advanced in my highschool. Its more of an intro language. Any key of C is good.
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Yeah I did CIS 103 and 203 before I got CIS Cert in 09(VB.net) Truman college
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noobsaibot34 said:
I wish I would have stuck with it! I had the red hat 6 Linux bible long time ago... Did visual basic in highschool and was head of a team came 3rd in Chicago 1999 bdpa
And my screen shot is vizio 37in...cool.
I just finished learning VB Advanced in my highschool. Its more of an intro language. Any key of C is good.
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Proof That My Three Year Old Phone Is Better Than Your Home Computer

So I sometimes rename .apk files to .zip files to hack the resources in the APKs. Then, I add them to a new zip folder and then rename the new zip to the original apk.
This takes about 20 minutes to unpack and repack on a desktop....
And only about 3-5 on my LGE P505.
Any clue as to why?
The PC I am using is 2.8Ghz, 2GB RAM.
My phone usually runs at 729.6Mhz and has 200MB of RAM.
I find it funny.
Can anybody agree with me on this?
Also, comparably, ES File Explorer can delete things on my phone faster than Windows can.
Are you somehow using tons of floppy disks on RAID0?!
What the hell is wrong with your computer? I can unpack and repack 5GB films in less than 5 minutes..
ShadowLea said:
What the hell is wrong with your computer? I can unpack and repack 5GB films in less than 5 minutes..
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It's a REALLY REALLY OLD COMPUTER
AndrMatr said:
It's a REALLY REALLY OLD COMPUTER
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how old might that be??
wesman214 said:
how old might that be??
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I don't know, i got it at a yard sale. It's running Ubuntu 14.04 really smooth, before when I made this post it was stock xp, really actually a dumbputer...
2GB RAM
Dual core Pentium at 2.80Ghz (keep in mind that the Droid Turbo is 2.7, overclockable to 3)
And a 320 GB hard drive partitioned to a 40/280 with the 40 as system
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I don't know, i got it at a yard sale. It's running Ubuntu 14.04 really smooth, before when I made this post it was stock xp, really actually a dumbputer...
2GB RAM
Dual core Pentium at 2.80Ghz (keep in mind that the Droid Turbo is 2.7, overclockable to 3)
And a 320 GB hard drive partitioned to a 40/280 with the 40 as system
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4gb of RAM and possible support for 64 bit LINUX would make it even better.
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It's a REALLY REALLY OLD COMPUTER
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Which means it's not proof that your three year old phone is better than our home computers.... Just your own
Many of us are gamers... Our PCs make NASA's look outdated.
Talk that to my new shiny dual Xeon setup with 4 SSD in Raid 0 and 128GB of ram....Your move........
P/S: Are you dumb enough to compare ARM with x86 architecture? And with different OS type and structures?
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So I sometimes rename .apk files to .zip files to hack the resources in the APKs. Then, I add them to a new zip folder and then rename the new zip to the original apk.
This takes about 20 minutes to unpack and repack on a desktop....
And only about 3-5 on my LGE P505.
Any clue as to why?
The PC I am using is 2.8Ghz, 2GB RAM.
My phone usually runs at 729.6Mhz and has 200MB of RAM.
I find it funny.
Can anybody agree with me on this?
Also, comparably, ES File Explorer can delete things on my phone faster than Windows can.
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Its also flash memory vs spinning disks
The GHz wars are over. Its not about that as much anymore
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Talk that to my new shiny dual Xeon setup with 4 SSD in Raid 0 and 128GB of ram....Your move........
P/S: Are you dumb enough to compare ARM with x86 architecture? And with different OS type and structures?
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No, I'm not that stupid, I did it just to piss you off

swap internal with external storage

Hi,
Now that several custom Roms are out with init.d support does anyone know of a script that can be used with script manager to swap internal and external at boot?
I have a 512 GB SD card rigged inside of my 10000 MAH battery on my phone. Just need to swap the two so I can have unlimited space for games.
If you have a working script and share I will give you $50
Where did you get a 512 GB micro SD I thought they only went up to 128 gb
SD, not micro SD... Hadn't thought of trying something like that! Kudos.
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SD, not micro SD... Hadn't thought of trying something like that! Kudos.
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Yes I bought one from Sandisk full sized SD. Then you buy a SD to micro SD adapter off Ebay and you can use it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=SD+...%2Fsdmicro-to-sd-card-adapter%2F11922;800;600
That is the one I use
Combined with a flexible extended battery case it actually fits in nice and snug. Basically a god mode phone
512 GBs works like a charm.
Just need a good script to install all my apps there.
I have used folder mount in the past but even when using folder mount your internal memory slowly fills up...and eventually even with moving all files possible you run into an issue where you have 0 space on internal memory and tons on the SD.
I really wish they would not restrict Android this way
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I've seen a few how tos with the SD card and ribbon cable. Quite simple yet ingenious really!
Trev186 said:
Yes I bought one from Sandisk full sized SD. Then you buy a SD to micro SD adapter off Ebay and you can use it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=SD+...%2Fsdmicro-to-sd-card-adapter%2F11922;800;600
That is the one I use
Combined with a flexible extended battery case it actually fits in nice and snug. Basically a god mode phone
512 GBs works like a charm.
Just need a good script to install all my apps there.
I have used folder mount in the past but even when using folder mount your internal memory slowly fills up...and eventually even with moving all files possible you run into an issue where you have 0 space on internal memory and tons on the SD.
I really wish they would not restrict Android this way
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Yeah I know how you feel... I use the Xposed module called XInternalSD on mine. I used to use a init.d script that did it on my Note 2 with 4.12 but got lazy and grabbed the Xposed module on this phone. But wow! A 512 GB SD card is crazy! I thought I had alot of crap and am planning on grabbing a 128. Your setup and the whole ribbon deal I had completely forgot about. Might end up reconsidering :good: I wonder if a Init.d script would still work since KitKat and changing the storage writing etc. I'll look further into this tonight. No need for money although that is very generous though. Not sure how I feel about developing and donations. I kinda feel like we do this stuff for fun and not profit but oh well. I'm not against it but personally don't think I could do that personally. Of course, I've never done anything to extravagant here anyways. Modded some roms, themes, hacks, etc. but nothing too fancy. I'll post back here if I find anything worth mentioning. XInternalSD works nicely though. The path is to internal card should be /storage/extSdCard on the settings part of the app. The init.d script should look something like this:
sleep 10
mount -o remount,rw /
mount -t vfat -o umask=0000 /dev/block/vold/179:49 /storage/sdcard0
sleep 30
mount -o bind /data/media /storage/extSdCard
chmod 777 /mnt/extSdCard
sleep 10
chown 1023:1023 /storage/extSdCard
chown 1000:1000 /storage/sdcard0
That's from my old one. Please don't use that lol! I just got to find the new value for the Note 4. It's either 179:64 or 179:65.... Hmmm... Not sure if anything else is needed since KitKat is different. [email protected] lol!
sino8r said:
I've seen a few how tos with the SD card and ribbon cable. Quite simple yet ingenious really!
Yeah I know how you feel... I use the Xposed module called XInternalSD on mine. I used to use a init.d script that did it but got lazy and grabbed the Xposed module on this phone. But wow! A 512 GB SD card is crazy! I thought I had alot of crap and am planning on grabbing a 128. Your setup and the whole ribbon deal I had completely forgot about. Might need up reconsidering :good:
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how does xinternalSD work?
If I already have apps installed will it move everything to the SD that is already on the phone?
If I set it to do all apps will it run stay persistent through restarts so the phone always looks there or is a script needed?
I am not fond of foldermount it is clunky and as i said before it is possible to move all the apps off the SD card and still have the internal memory fill up. Plus there is the issue of internal memory filling up with non app stuff and then the phone refusing to let u install anything new from play store due to the apps not having enough space on the phone supposedly.
there must be a way to do a swap....
Trev186 said:
how does xinternalSD work?
If I already have apps installed will it move everything to the SD that is already on the phone?
If I set it to do all apps will it run stay persistent through restarts so the phone always looks there or is a script needed?
I am not fond of foldermount it is clunky and as i said before it is possible to move all the apps off the SD card and still have the internal memory fill up. Plus there is the issue of internal memory filling up with non app stuff and then the phone refusing to let u install anything new from play store due to the apps not having enough space on the phone supposedly.
there must be a way to do a swap....
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I think it's just a fancy app to emulate that script storage swap. You should just try those two values I gave ya. I'm sure one of them will work. As far as some space on internal being eaten up... It seems unavoidable but it(the module or script) does help alot. I just got my device a couple of weeks ago and have been weeding through my old apps and what I want to keep etc. I'm an app hoarder apparently like yourself Anyways, so far the module seems to be keeping internal clean. It's worth a shot especially seeing all the work you put into making a giant storage space for yourself. I have to say I'm a bit jealous. Might have to get myself an early Christmas gift lol!
Oh I'm sorry. I forgot one part. Apparently if I remember correctly you don't want to have internal fill up too much or apps won't install like you said. Android internal requires 10% of available storage space to available or sh!t won't sync or install etc. So I totally understand. The problem is that now that storage is larger these days... 10% could be several GBs worth of space which is really stupid. If I were you... I'd try the Xposed module first and see if anything is moved. I kind of doubt it. You could move it manually with one of those apps you mentioned. There are quite a few up there if you don't like your current clunky one. I'll probably fiddle with those values on the init.d script soon if I get some more free time. I gotta do some more research and what exactly was changed with KitKat. I had been using 4.1.2 until very recently lol!
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I think it's just a fancy app to emulate that script storage swap. You should just try those two values I gave ya. I'm sure one of them will work. As far as some space on internal being eaten up... It seems unavoidable but it(the module or script) does help alot. I just got my device a couple of weeks ago and have been weeding through my old apps and what I want to keep etc. I'm an app hoarder apparently like yourself Anyways, so far the module seems to be keeping internal clean. It's worth a shot especially seeing all the work you put into making a giant storage space for yourself. I have to say I'm a bit jealous. Might have to get myself an early Christmas gift lol!
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yeah once i am done with the 4 hour transfeer of the contents of my card to PC so I can safely screw around with it & not wipe it I will try a few things out with the scripts and modules.
I dont understand why Google makes it so hard to do this. They obviously took away the loop holes a lot of people used to do use to prevent it.
Hell I think they are insane for trying to kill off SD cards. The rate this industry has updated the internal storage vs the demands of game apps which come out is stupid...
The best phones are mainly for games, Highest downloaded apps games, apps people spend on most game...
games need memory. I could wipe out this 32 GB of storage with 10 games if I were selective. In this day and age that is just dumb.
Jack the price of the phone up...I paid $800 for my 512 GB SD card....obviously there is a demand for it. Hell a 128 Gb or 64 GB internal memory in the states would sell better then these 4 GB budget phones the industry spits out
majority of people i know who use smartphones use them for facebook, instgram, the camera and a few other social apps and maybe angry birds....
For these people to need these beefy processors and ram and it is overkill.
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yeah once i am done with the 4 hour transfeer of the contents of my card to PC so I can safely screw around with it & not wipe it I will try a few things out with the scripts and modules.
I dont understand why Google makes it so hard to do this. They obviously took away the loop holes a lot of people used to do use to prevent it.
Hell I think they are insane for trying to kill off SD cards. The rate this industry has updated the internal storage vs the demands of game apps which come out is stupid...
The best phones are mainly for games, Highest downloaded apps games, apps people spend on most game...
games need memory. I could wipe out this 32 GB of storage with 10 games if I were selective. In this day and age that is just dumb.
Jack the price of the phone up...I paid $800 for my 512 GB SD card....obviously there is a demand for it. Hell a 128 Gb or 64 GB internal memory in the states would sell better then these 4 GB budget phones the industry spits out
majority of people i know who use smartphones use them for facebook, instgram, the camera and a few other social apps and maybe angry birds....
For these people to need these beefy processors and ram and it is overkill.
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Exactly... I think since Google is pushing certain criteria on their own phones that they want to do so on the rest. In turn they have really stunted their own Nexus devices with lack of removable battery and storage. It's insane. And the beefier cpu/gpu/ram doesn't help if you don't have the Storage to run those games, apps, etc. Very happy Samsung hasn't done away with it yet... I think they realize they have the edge on all other phones because of this. The solutions are so simple it just blows my mind that few others get it. I think they are just trying to monetize on the whole situation by forcing us to buy the phones with larger storage. It's just wrong though. Screw over folks too much and you'll lose customers. Some don't get it until it's too late. Keep us filled in with how it goes. I'll check back here once I play with the script some.
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I've seen a few how tos with the SD card and ribbon cable. Quite simple yet ingenious really!
Yeah I know how you feel... I use the Xposed module called XInternalSD on mine. I used to use a init.d script that did it on my Note 2 with 4.12 but got lazy and grabbed the Xposed module on this phone. But wow! A 512 GB SD card is crazy! I thought I had alot of crap and am planning on grabbing a 128. Your setup and the whole ribbon deal I had completely forgot about. Might end up reconsidering :good: I wonder if a Init.d script would still work since KitKat and changing the storage writing etc. I'll look further into this tonight. No need for money although that is very generous though. Not sure how I feel about developing and donations. I kinda feel like we do this stuff for fun and not profit but oh well. I'm not against it but personally don't think I could do that personally. Of course, I've never done anything to extravagant here anyways. Modded some roms, themes, hacks, etc. but nothing too fancy. I'll post back here if I find anything worth mentioning. XInternalSD works nicely though. The path is to internal card should be /storage/extSdCard on the settings part of the app. The init.d script should look something like this:
sleep 10
mount -o remount,rw /
mount -t vfat -o umask=0000 /dev/block/vold/179:49 /storage/sdcard0
sleep 30
mount -o bind /data/media /storage/extSdCard
chmod 777 /mnt/extSdCard
sleep 10
chown 1023:1023 /storage/extSdCard
chown 1000:1000 /storage/sdcard0
That's from my old one. Please don't use that lol! I just got to find the new value for the Note 4. It's either 179:64 or 179:65.... Hmmm... Not sure if anything else is needed since KitKat is different. [email protected] lol!
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If it helps I think the external SD is 179:65 since while messing around with another app it claimed that 179:65 appeared to be formatted as exfat which is the format of my SD card. I think the internal storage is formatted differently.
I know with the Note 2 there was a script you could run and set it for boot every-time that would swap the two.
http://galaxynote2root.com/galaxy-n...sd-card-with-rooted-galaxy-note-2-app2sd-mod/
If someone can go ahead and make it possible for the note 4 that'd be great.
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I know with the Note 2 there was a script you could run and set it for boot every-time that would swap the two.
http://galaxynote2root.com/galaxy-n...sd-card-with-rooted-galaxy-note-2-app2sd-mod/
If someone can go ahead and make it possible for the note 4 that'd be great.
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Yeah that's basically it what I posted. I've just got to place around with it first.
I've been playing around with values and haven't quite figured it out yet. The mounts are different, vold, and chown. I've changed a few different things here & there but no luck yet. I'll post it here or a redirect if I get it working.
sino8r said:
Yeah that's basically it what I posted. I've just got to place around with it first.
I've been playing around with values and haven't quite figured it out yet. The mounts are different, vold, and chown. I've changed a few different things here & there but no luck yet. I'll post it here or a redirect if I get it working.
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Any luck? I have tried but no avail.
I did manage to get the ext storage to disappear a few times though lol.
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Any luck? I have tried but no avail.
I did manage to get the ext storage to disappear a few times though lol.
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Yeah I basically gave up. Keep getting FCing even with the correct settings. Did you try the Xposed module? It works nicely. Plus, I noticed they brought back move app to SD function which I might end up using on my larger apps. Not sure what else I can do. I may do some searching in the S5 threads. There's one particular mod I'd like to look at as well. It's a version of the download Booster that works with HSPA and lower MB threshold. That would be VERY HANDY to have working on our device!
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Yeah I basically gave up. Keep getting FCing even with the correct settings. Did you try the Xposed module? It works nicely. Plus, I noticed they brought back move app to SD function which I might end up using on my larger apps. Not sure what else I can do. I may do some searching in the S5 threads. There's one particular mod I'd like to look at as well. It's a version of the download Booster that works with HSPA and lower MB threshold. That would be VERY HANDY to have working on our device!
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I read that one way to do it in kitkat is to get into your actual kernel image and edit it in there.
A little out of my exp but I may give it a try.
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Yeah I basically gave up. Keep getting FCing even with the correct settings. Did you try the Xposed module? It works nicely. Plus, I noticed they brought back move app to SD function which I might end up using on my larger apps. Not sure what else I can do. I may do some searching in the S5 threads. There's one particular mod I'd like to look at as well. It's a version of the download Booster that works with HSPA and lower MB threshold. That would be VERY HANDY to have working on our device!
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This guy here can get it to work on Kit Kat. He says he is also planning to get a Note 4 this year:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2468596&page=43
Hopefully he does soon and he creates the mod for Note 4
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This guy here can get it to work on Kit Kat. He says he is also planning to get a Note 4 this year:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2468596&page=43
Hopefully he does soon and he creates the mod for Note 4
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Mattiadj is a beast at this true, but you guys are also awesome for even attempting this mod for our note 4's. I've been rocking his mods since the note 2 and can't live without them now, one of the reasons I can't give up my note 3 because of his very useful mod lol

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