So I finally got HoneyComb working on my Nook Color (NC), residing in the microSD card using a Kingston 8GB Class 4. However, this card seems to be one of the slowest and using the HC in NC is almost unusable.
Example:
- Screen rotation takes 3-5 seconds
- Opening new app, depending on which app, can take 1-5 seconds
- Browsing certain website can make the screen unresponsive
- etc..etc..
I know that the HC version available in this website is probably still in "preview" or beta stage and some slowdown is expected, but I am not expecting it to be THIS bad. So I think the culprit is the microSD card itself.
However, I have tried many different MicroSD card and none works. I.e. it gives the "decrypt storage" error when booting up the NC. The cards I have tried are:
- Patriot 16GB Class 10
- A-Data 16GB Class 10
- Kingston 8GB Class 6
The ONLY one that works so far is Sandisk. Unfortunately, from SanDisk website, I do NOT SEE ANY card higher than Class 4.
Thus, can you recommend which is the MOST STABLE and FASTEST card? I.e. the ones that did NOT give slowdown per the examples I have given above.
i'm using sandisk 4 GB class 4 HC
nookie froyo, runs fantastic.
Class 10 cards apparently dont do too well. lots of people have had issues with those. class 6 should be OK, class 2 and 4 workk very nice.
Do you have recommendation for a good Class 6 MicroSD card? SanDisk don't sell anything higher than Class 4. I tried Kingston Class 6 and my Nook Color just spit on it...
lanwarrior said:
Do you have recommendation for a good Class 6 MicroSD card? SanDisk don't sell anything higher than Class 4. I tried Kingston Class 6 and my Nook Color just spit on it...
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I am currently running trancend 8gb class 6. Havent had any issues with froyo, HC or Cm7 booting or running.
I'm using a A-Data Class 6 16Gb card with no trouble. I do have 2 Kingston Class 4 32Gb cards and they have the issue with the decrypt garbage when you try to boot up HC from the sdcard. I've also got a Class 10 32Gb Wintec card which I have not had time to test out yet as I just got it the other day.
After a failed Kingston 16gb class 10, I got a SanDisk 8gb Class 4 and it's speedy enough. I notice very minimal slow down on some menus but I don't know if that's just the OS itself (being a preview after all)
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After a failed Kingston 16gb class 10, I got a SanDisk 8gb Class 4 and it's speedy enough. I notice very minimal slow down on some menus but I don't know if that's just the OS itself (being a preview after all)
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That's the exact same card I have, and you did NOT experiences any of the slowness I posted in my 1st thread?
How drastic is the difference between Class 2 and Class 4?
I know that it says that it processes twice as fast, but is it noticeable? Can somebody give an example of when you can actually tell the difference? Playing music, watching movies, booting from microsd?
I have a Sansdisk class 2 8gb card that performs just as well as my class 10 Patriot 8gb (which has booted both HC and currently used as storage for my eMMC CM7 install.)
Sansdisk severely underrates their SD's and many other manufacturers overrate theirs. It is not a perfect rating system.
I would recommend going w/ sansdisk in whatever size you can afford. Class 2/4 will be plenty fast.
Before I switched back to Froyo I was running off the SanDisk 8Gb card from BestBuy - $20 - which I found very responsive. I think it is Class 4, but I could see any label on the card itself or the package.
The SD card speed was not the reason I switched back, it was the lack of other features in HC preview. I can't wait for an AOSP release
8GB Cards
I currently have 2 8GB microsds that I switch between:
-Transcend 8GB Class 6 running Honeycomb from Amazon. Tested it with h2wtest and got 16MB/s write and 14MB/s read. (Not sure if that is a typo on the tool or not and it's supposed to be bits instead of bytes, but that's what it says).
-Sandisk 8GB Class 2 running Nookie Froyo. Tested at 14MB/s write and 18MB/s read.
Both cards run their respective ROMs well, so it seems to jibe with what chisleu said about Sandisk underrating their cards. I could also be limited by the USB adapter I was using, but I had another adapter that was limiting it to 4MB/s both ways.
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Hi guys. I was wondering if there are any issues making bootable SD cards for honeycomb or froyo and etc.
I am thinking of buying an micro sd card for the nook color.
which one of you guys would recommend?
16GB class10? 8GB class10?
I have seen all mostly using 8gb or 4gb at most. is there any issue using 16gb class10? please advice. thanks!
should be fine.
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Hi guys. I was wondering if there are any issues making bootable SD cards for honeycomb or froyo and etc.
I am thinking of buying an micro sd card for the nook color.
which one of you guys would recommend?
16GB class10? 8GB class10?
I have seen all mostly using 8gb or 4gb at most. is there any issue using 16gb class10? please advice. thanks!
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If they are same class then you should get about the same speed off either and all your looking at is size... if you want 8gb of space get the 8gb if you want 16gb of space get that one instead.....
I would not recommend using anything lower than a Class 6 card however.
I've run HC on a 8gb class 4 card for a while. No real problems. Maybe lags a little time to time, but that may also just be the rom.
i see... initially i thought there were issues with class10 16gb cards.
thanks all for the input!
I purchased two 8GB Class 10 cards. I use one for storage and the other for Honeycomb and it runs great.
Can the Nook actually even use the speed of a class 10? I know many phones can only fully use 4 or 6, with the only benefit of 10 being faster transfer while connected directly to PC. Class 2 is just slow on everything, of course .
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i see... initially i thought there were issues with class10 16gb cards.
thanks all for the input!
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I tried class 10 and class 4 16gb cards because I really wanted the space. I had all sorts of problems running on the class 10 once v04 honeycomb came out and the class 4 would run froyo and HC but it was so slow it couldn't be used. Some people seem to be using them but when I relaced it with a 8gb class 10 Patriot card, it runs great.
As to whether the nook can use a class 10, I don't know. I certainly know it MUCH faster with a class 10 than a class 4. I also bought a class 6 AData card but I have not tried it as a speed comparison. I was just tired of running back to the store to return them and test another so I bought two and started with the fastest one.
16gb might work with future versions but for now, I am sticking with 8gb cards.
I recommend the Patriot 8gb Class 10. The model I bought was the LX Signature Series: PSF8GMCSDHC10
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If they are same class then you should get about the same speed off either and all your looking at is size... if you want 8gb of space get the 8gb if you want 16gb of space get that one instead.....
I would not recommend using anything lower than a Class 6 card however.
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Not necessarily. Class only implies a guaranteed minimum WRITE throughput, e.g. class 4 = 4MB/s, class 6 = 6MB/s, etc. that a particular class of card is capable of supporting. There is no guarantee that the tablet, camera, etc. is actually capable of achieving/sustaining that throughput rate though.
Read throughput can be anything, but are usually close to write speed, and another factor not as important most of the time with tablets is the latency of r/w accesses.
In the pre-SDHC days Japanese made(Toshiba - only Japanese maker) uSDs were the best in terms of speed and latency, followed by most Taiwan(various) made cards. Chinese(various) made cards were the worst by FAR. Also the pre-SDHC uSDs had varying r/w throughput and latency depending upon how "full" they were with the same general rule as above applying as to where manufactured. Presumably this is not the case with SDHC as the class implies that regardless of how full a card is that it WILL maintain that minimum write throughput.
8 v. 16: From the pricing that I've seen 2 8GB cards are cheaper than a single 16GB -> 8GB a better deal IMO. e.g. class 6 8GB are <$15 while 16GB class 10 are >$35 at least on newegg...
Another factor to consider is that you likely don't need a class 10 card unless you happen to have a very high performance/high resolution digital video recorder... i.e. class 2 is likely even good enough for most tablet video and other applications, but since class 6 cards can be had at reasonable prices(online, b&m are profiteeringly insane in their markups) those would probably be the best choice.
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I'll let you know about class 4 4GB uSDs as a local b&M unbelievably has an approximately reasonable price on PNY(probably Taiwan) class 4 4GB uSDs, $10 which is cheap enough to pitch them if they're junk or use them for applications that don't require high throughput.
(On a side note most class 4 and class 6 uSDs work great with Nintendo DSes, which I'd suspect are MUCH more sensitive to throughput and access latencies... or so I've read...)
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I see Stevr had posted which Patriot he had success with in Post #8 of this thread, and in the HC Preview v4 thread there have been a few negative posts about certain cards not livinig up to their class ratings... so I have to ask...
Is there a single thread recommending or comparing the various MicroSD cards, how they've worked for Froyo or HC booting/running off them? (i.e. a central posting of "this one works great..." or "this one is too slow"?)
EDIT: I found this talking about cards for Froyo from SD -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=946896 which has some makers, size and class.. no specific model numbers.
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I see Stevr had posted which Patriot he had success with in Post #8 of this thread, and in the HC Preview v4 thread there have been a few negative posts about certain cards not livinig up to their class ratings... so I have to ask...
Is there a single thread recommending or comparing the various MicroSD cards, how they've worked for Froyo or HC booting/running off them? (i.e. a central posting of "this one works great..." or "this one is too slow"?)
EDIT: I found this talking about cards for Froyo from SD -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=946896 which has some makers, size and class.. no specific model numbers.
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seems like alot of 16gb class 10 are having issues with running froyo off memory cards.
might get a 8gb class 10 instead. and a spare 16gb class 10.
I just got a Nook Color and rooted it with Autonooter 3.0
Everything works great. I'm thinking of trying Froyo or Honeycomb on a SD card.
I want to ask which SD card would work best.
Reading through the forums, I have found there are some conflicting information.
On the one hand people recommend Class 6 or higher cards.
On the other hand a number of posters have reported using a class 2 Sandisk card and got good performance.
Since the classification of SD cards only refers to the writing speed, a lower class card may have higher reading speeds than a higher class card. I 'm wondering which is most important for running Froyo/HC on Nook Color, a higher reading speed or a higher writing speed?
For reference here are some benchmarks I found on Amazon.
It appears this Sandisk class 2 card have reading speeds of up to 18MB/s, and writing speeds of up to 6MB/s
[SanDisk 16 GB microSDHC Flash Memory Card SDSDQ-016G (Bulk Packaging)]
This class 6 Transcend card have reading speeds of up to 15MB/s, and writing speeds of up to 11 MB/s.
[Transcend 8 GB microSDHC Class 6 Flash Memory Card TS8GUSDHC6E]
Here's more info for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=12000938
I have an 8 gig class 6 transcend in my fascinate, and a 16 gig class 6 transcend in my NC running CM7. I have a season of an anime I'm watching with Rockplayer on my morning metro ride. Both transcend cards have been great. I have two 16gb Sandisk class 2 cards. One is my "fast one" that's at least as fast as the transcend cards. One is my "slow one" that is unbearably slow for things like transferring a season of anime for watching later with rockplayer. I also have a 16gb samsung class 2 that has performance that mirrors the "slow" sandisk class 2. If I had to get another card right now, I'd probably get another transcend class 6. I've also heard great things about patriot brand, but I can neither confirm or deny those things from personal experience.
I just put one of the CM nightly builds (build38) on a uSD card (sandisk 16gb class 2) and there is a major lag to even enjoy the device. I have been reading about that sometimes class numbers on the cards don't mean too much.
Which card would you recommend to run CM from (Brand/class/where to buy) from your experience?
any class 6 card should be plenty enough (as long as it has enough room for the ROM and stuff) even class 4 should work much better (but still some lag i beleive, idk ive never tried it)
newegg is a pretty good place to shop for them. Heres one such card - newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211341&cm_re=8gb_micro_sd_card-_-20-211-341-_-Product
There is a long thread about this on here and the class 6 Transcend 8GB card got the most mentions for good perfomance. The probability for issues to arise increases when using cards over 8GB.
I have a class 2 Sandisk 8GB and class 6 Transcend 8GB card. They both work well.
I have been buying the Wintec cards from newegg for a couple months and run them in both my captivate and my nook they work awesome. Class 10 and fast. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161411
Patriot Signature 8 GB Class 10 MicroSDHC
Did anybody have any experience with this card?
http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Signa...I8MS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1302629334&sr=8-2
rahlquist said:
I have been buying the Wintec cards from newegg for a couple months and run them in both my captivate and my nook they work awesome. Class 10 and fast. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161411
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Are you running a rom (e.g CM7) off the card? Did you ever run a speed test?
onurd said:
Are you running a rom (e.g CM7) off the card? Did you ever run a speed test?
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Not at this time. What speed test would you like if I loaded one up on the card and booted from it?
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Did anybody have any experience with this card?
http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Signa...I8MS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1302629334&sr=8-2
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I used that card for HC v4 and it was fine.
I've got 4 uSD card: one Dane-Elec 2G no class, one Kingston 2G no-class, one Transend 4GB class 6 and one PNY 8GB class 4. All run CM7 very well, maybe I didn't pay attention but didn't notice much different in performance. In benchmark, the write speed is about 5-7 MB/s.
The higher capactity 16GB card seems to have more problems, other than that every card will do.
You should check into the random read/write performance of small files on these cards. sometimes the class 6 or 10 aren't all they are cracked up to be. Fast transfers of large file yes, but general performance can suck.
sandisk class 2 or 4 cards can have excellent perf. I have a class 10 that is outperformed by class 2/4 and 6 cards.
if you are having problems with crashing, etc. try a basic sandisk and see if perf. is better.
there is a thread about it but i can never find it.
I have been searching all over the place for a list of "supported" SD micro flash memory for installing and booting for example CyanogenMods CM7. I have found where people recommend not getting slower than a class 6 but not which brand works best. I am using a Patriot 4GB LX Class 10 and it seems to be doing ok but wanted to know what others were using and what kind of luck they are having.
I'm having good luck with a 4G Sandisk class 4.
Lots of discussion here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633
I will add that none of my Patriot SD cards regardless of the class worked consistently or smoothly. After having a ton of weird lock ups and delays (with FC's) I bought a 2GB Sandisk Class 4 and the same exact builds worked fast and like a dream. I then bought a Sandisk 16GB and it too worked perfectly.
Half of my problems were fighting SD card performance issues. There are likely others that are good but it appears the Sandisk Class 4 are a solid starting point.
Agree with Awats
After having problems with Patriot and Kingston I have had rock solid results with SanDisk 2, 4, 8, and 16 GB all class 4. I've tried a couple of off-brand 32 GB class 10 with uniformlly lousy results. Of course YMMV.
FishDoc
I have had zero issue running Phiremod 6.2 off my 16GB Sandisk Class 4 sd (with Dalingren's 4/24 kernel, set at 1200). It has been fast and stable for more than a week. I can't wait for the new kernel that fixed the sleep/battery drain issue.
I bought a Sandisk 16gb Class 2 that works flawlessly with Honeycomb. Only $24.99 at Radioshack right now...if you hurry!
I am using a Transcend 8 gig TS8GUSD C6 with no problems . I think its almost snappier than off of the stock eMMC
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ExploreMN said:
I bought a Sandisk 16gb Class 2 that works flawlessly with Honeycomb. Only $24.99 at Radioshack right now...if you hurry!
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How does that Sandisk test out? I have an 8G Sandisk class 2 that tests out as better than class 10 in SD card tools. Not sure if SD card tools is actually testing right. I'd be interested to see how yours tests out.
Just some real world observations that my sandisk cards perform much better than rated, about a class higher I think. I've got an adata and a patriot (class 6 16GB) that haven't given me any issues so far, but I'll never buy another kingston (poor performance, bad cards)
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I bought a Sandisk 16gb Class 2 that works flawlessly with Honeycomb. Only $24.99 at Radioshack right now...if you hurry!
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Drat. Last week it was the 8GB class 4 for $14.99. Ah, well - technology rewards the patient...as long as you have infinite patience. *laughs*
Rodney
rhester72 said:
Drat. Last week it was the 8GB class 4 for $14.99. Ah, well - technology rewards the patient...as long as you have infinite patience. *laughs*
Rodney
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Radio Shack has ALL of the SanDisk cards on sale until 5/14.
I'm running a Transcend Class 6 8GB MicroSD in mine and so far it's been running great. Noticeable difference over the class 4 sandisk I had in there before.
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I'm running a Transcend Class 6 8GB MicroSD in mine and so far it's been running great. Noticeable difference over the class 4 sandisk I had in there before.
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If you're running CM7 off that Transcend, I'd be interested to know if Pulse works without FCs or other issues on yours. I ditched the Transcend Class 6 8G for a Sandisk Class 4 8G.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/pulse-news/com.alphonso.pulse
Which app are you using to test the speed?
Sandisk, 8 GB, class 4 here. The Sandisk class 4 is the way to go, IMHO.
I am using a Transcend Class 6 8GB, running fine. Will buy a Sandisk 16GB to try out.
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Sandisk, 8 GB, class 4 here. The Sandisk class 4 is the way to go, IMHO.
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this.
i've tested many cards with zone bench on the mac. class 4 sandisk outperforms all the others on random read/write of small files. it also coincides with how well my sd card installs run. some cards would run ok but now and again i'd have problems, especially multiple downloads running at the same time from market. I don't have this problem with the class 4 sandisks
for honeycomb: A-Data 4GB class 6 (writes at 6MB/s, reads at about 10MB/s, got it for ~$14, cheapest 4gig class 6 around these parts)
Quite noticeably better than my previous class 2 8gb samsung I got off eBay, which I now use for storage of videos/books & cwm flashing.
I couldn't find a real answer to this anywhere, but I plan on installing CM7 to an SD Card - and boot/run from the card.
Which class of SD card should I be shooting for - and why? Are there any certain brands that work well/don't work well? The same for sizes - is 16GB going to be faster than 32GB ?
Thanks. I'm shooting for a 16 GB internal which should be more than enough space.
Sandisk class 2 or 4
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Search this forum and you will find that the Sandisk class 4 disks are great. The best part is they are available at most retail stores, if your impatient. I've been using a 16gb card for a while and it runs stable and smooth.
+1 vote for Sandisk
SanDisk class 4.
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SanDisk class 4, 16GB
see the other topics here about sd cards, there are some good known resellers on Amazon who have real SanDisk cards, not the fakes that you can finds for cheaper some places online.
Are there known issues with other brands or faster (eg; class 6 / 10) SD cards on the NC, or is it just when booting the likes of CM7 from them?
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Are there known issues with other brands or faster (eg; class 6 / 10) SD cards on the NC, or is it just when booting the likes of CM7 from them?
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Some other cards do have known issues or possibly don't live up to their speed class rating. You might get lucky and get a decent one out of a bunch, but its very hit or miss. Other cards have also been known to die after using them for a bit.
If you're looking for something that is reliable and is consistent, then stick with SanDisk class 4.
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Are there known issues with other brands or faster (eg; class 6 / 10) SD cards on the NC, or is it just when booting the likes of CM7 from them?
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I tried A-data 4GB and 8GB class 6, they both run great, tried a generic 16GB class 4, horrible slow. Haven't try any SanDisk yet.
sandisk 8gb class 4 seems to work ok for me
if i went anything larger than 8gb i would want above class 4 speeds i think
Read first post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633
sandisk CL4, 8GB and 16GB seem to be the best bet. faster cards appear to be optimized for speed and large file transfers, but the CL4 and slower cards have better small file read/write speeds.
runnnig CM7 off the card, you want the better small file read/write speeds from the CL4 and slower cards.
~mike
Anyone tested any Sandisk Class 6 cards?
Amazon Basics class 10 sdcards work pretty good for me...but i have never run a rom from the actually sd card.
But for $28 (16gb) it actually is class 10-i have all my music and videos and they all perform well. I used to get force closes on my music player back when i had music on internal memory but now that its on external sd i have no force closes
In conclusion the 16gb class 10 amazon basics for $28 has improved my phone satisfaction
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Found one result for a Sandisk Class 6:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21268438&postcount=317
Seems to perform well!
This does not hold if you are running off the card. I have a 16GB class 6 Kingston and it runs terribly slow. My class 4 sandisk 16GB runs great.
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This does not hold if you are running off the card. I have a 16GB class 6 Kingston and it runs terribly slow. My class 4 sandisk 16GB runs great.
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Before I committed to emmc my lower class cards ran faster.
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What monkeymike said.
Pretty much if you get anything but a class 2 or 4 Sandisk(i'd say class 4 for best of both worlds), you run a risk of an unstable system. The benchmark tests seem to put them many orders of magnitude above the higher class cards of other brands.
Plus they seem to be on special just about anywhere i've asked for them. Try radioshack if you are in the US.
I think you'll find that extensive benchmarking of a heap of cards has shown that the ones which are slow to boot are the same ones which have very low 4k random write speeds (as per monkeymike's post reference). The Sandisk 16GB Class 6 cards appear to have decent speeds for 4k random writes, ergo they will be fine to boot from. Other class 6 cards don't perform nearly as well as the Sandisk ones.
I've seen numerous benchmarks around the web showing that the Sandisk class 4's consistently match or beat the class 10's from other manufacturers and I've had great results with them in both my NC and my phones.
That said, its not going to run as well from an SD card (any sd card) as it will when properly installed as the main OS. I know this from experience. I was running CM7 from a generic class 2 for a while and it sucked. Then I got a Sandisk 16gb class 4 and that made a huge difference in usability. But over the weekend I finally took the plunge and actually installed CM7 directly on the NC-and that is a huge improvement over even the best SD card. Still, the Sandisk class 4 is a good way to test the waters.