I took my NC on a Delta flight today and the WiFi provider was go-go (http://www.gogoinflight.com/). As usual, after connecting to the network, the browser loaded up the login site where it wanted me to subscribe to its internet service.
At first, everything seemed like how I expected it, but after a few minutes, I received an email notification and noticed that the gmail program was receiving mail. I tested it out, loaded up some attachments from old old emails, sent out a couple emails, one to myself, and everything seemed to work. I tried google talk afterwards, but that seemed to be forever stuck on "signing in..."
I don't really know all the technical details behind networking and internet connectivity, but can the browser and google talk be redirected to use whatever port the gmail app is using? My flight back on monday is on United and I'll play around with it some more.
Pay wifi services with browser-based access-control often prevent use of only the browser if you don't enter the password into the browser, with other services remaining available.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. I've always just assumed it was to cut off any access to the internet.
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I have tried to wrap my head around this but have not succeded yet. I think I have the system actually set up and working. I have push mail on in the comm manager and I have set up our exchange server in activesync. Mail seems to arrive in the phone from time to time so I guess it works. My question is more about how it works.
I am using the spb GPRS monitor so I see there is traffic beeing logged. In the sync settings it is set to "when items arrive" (I have swedish language but I think the english says something similar). Does the phone go out and log into the mailserver and checks for mail? This hardly seems like "push" email.
If thats not how it works, how does the mailserver send the email to my phone - more true to the meaning of "push".
If someone savvy in the subject took some time to explain I would be very happy
essentially you keep a connection open constantly to your email server and as soon as the server gets new messages the client (your mobile phone in this case) is notified and downloads the email. its quite battery intensive since the phone has to keep a data connection with the server at all times.
for a complete explanation read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_email
Ok I see, I am like a normal Outlook client logged in at all times. Its clearer now.
In regards to the battery drain, what does drain more, 3G or Edge connection?
Great tip thanks
Another quick question - since it uses EDGE when getting email, what happens when I enter and log into a WiFi network. Does it abandon EDGE in favour for the, mostly, free WiFi internet thus saving me money?
So i was just introduced to this program the other day. It works great, i get my e-mails on my phone just a few seconds later. It doesn't seem to lower my battery life much at all, and it was very easy to setup.
http://community.seven.com/main.php
register and download the beta. I've been using this for about 3 days and i've gotten about 50 e-mails through this service and i always check the times and it's never more than a minute later.
I would like to get a consensus about how well this works for others. I'm using Gmail and it forwards very fast.
UPDATE: Just wanted to add, do not install this if you have XpressMail installed on your device as they use some of the same files they both will become unusable.
before i try
how does it work?
is it constantly connected to data? or does it send as a text or what?
i knew i forgot something, i've got my Touch pro on a constant Edge connection with constant data enabled. I'm not 100% positive the data connection is needed but i think you do. Other Idle Imap apps, i've tried needed constant connection.
I've been using this for a while now and it does require a constant connection, but it is a lot less power hungry than other push solutions or even the native POP / IMAP connections. Seven basically creates e-mail accounts within the native messaging application, so there's no need to have an additional application. It allows you to setup multiple e-mail accounts to be pushed, including Google Apps.
And for those of us that change roms regularly, Seven saves your account information (sans passwords) so that you don't have to start from scratch everytime you flash a new rom.
One thing to note is that Seven is essentially in permanent beta, so there will be times when it goes down for upgrades, maintenance or bugs. But that doesn't happen very often and they are usually pretty good about communicating what is going on and when to expect a solution.
Been using this for a year and it's the best! Woohoo! I love this!
I tried emoze, pushconsilient, and web2mail. I like "SEVEN" out of all of them. I get my email on my phone before my outlook does on my pc.
Thanks!!
It's really COOL and i can now check the gmail and even the company mail (OWA)!
Very nice!!
does it do "better"then Emoze?
I use Emoze now for a year and i have no problem.
Does it use less more power?
i've just tested, but i like Emoze more then Seven.
Emoze connects een fast as seven, but now i get also mine appointpents ect. synced.
So i keep it with emoze.
Seven is the dev company that supplies AT&T with Good Mobile Messaging and such. They sell the product (serverside) to the Cell carriers, who inturn rebrand it and "sell/offer" the service to the carrier's susbcribers.
I have been using it for 3 years for multiple accounts... no more desktop redirectors.
It currently uses a data connection, but in the future it will work via SMS triggers
gr8 share thank you
A few days ago, I started using it for both my Gmail and my company mail (via OWA).
At first, it took a few minutes for new mail to show up in either. Now, I'm finding that new messages in my gmail are showing up almost instantly (under a minute at least), but work messages are taking between 5-15 minutes (I can confirm via the desktop that they are indeed in the inbox).
Anyone else see this sort of delay?
is this based on Exchange 2007 aka HTML emails? Doesn't seem to let me into the FAQ's before creating an account...
I use this service and i love it.
i'm glad to see so many people who support and use this App, and those of you who don't use it i recommend it.
I tried it for 2 days, I love it... However, since it used data constantsly, it heats up my device badly... so I uninstalled it.
Thanks for the share thou.
goes this get around the gmail issue where sent messages also appear as new unread emails?
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goes this get around the gmail issue where sent messages also appear as new unread emails?
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Seven does not have this problem. Additionally, the sent messages get saved in your sent folder on gmail.
pandaboyy said:
I tried it for 2 days, I love it... However, since it used data constantsly, it heats up my device badly... so I uninstalled it.
Thanks for the share thou.
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Do you keep HSDPA going? I keep it on an EDGE connection and i don't get much heat at all.
It's a shakey time for anyone who sees this thread to try it out, though. They did some sort of heavy maintenance Monday, and although their status updates say everything's back, I'm not sure it is. I'm seeing big delays in getting my gmail via imap through them. I suspect it will be worked out soon, though.
i love gmail but im wondering why its not full push e-mail?
all will say yes its push mail but you need leave all day "sync" on to get notifications if you turn off the sync you will not have instant e mail.
leaving all day "sync" will drain a little more the battery, so if you get a mail when you have "sync" off you will nit have any notification UNTIL you turn on, there is program like shutupbattery that will sync every X time but whats the point of push mail?
get instant right? i guess using k9 will work better (not sure) but why not in stock gmail app?
That's what push is. It is a constant low bandwidth connection kept open waiting for Google to send notifications.
The gmail servers cannot just send a message to your phones IP or anything like that, because trying to get that to work with all the various operators and different networking setups in the world would be impossible.
That's how push works on a windows mobile phone, and maybe even a blackberry (but I cannot be sure of that since they run special software on the telco's side)
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That's what push is. It is a constant low bandwidth connection kept open waiting for Google to send notifications.
The gmail servers cannot just send a message to your phones IP or anything like that, because trying to get that to work with all the various operators and different networking setups in the world would be impossible.
That's how push works on a windows mobile phone, and maybe even a blackberry (but I cannot be sure of that since they run special software on the telco's side)
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i didint test it or dont remember if chrome to phone works without sync but if all works in that way why google bother to toggle "sync" yea i know its a low bandwith connection instead always check as poll but you need leave all day sync on to all work well and that will drain a little battery too
Well, you should test, that IS how Chrome to Phone works. It uses the push notification system Google developed. Which uses the push data connection.
The point is, apps written for 2.2 and up should use this system when possible. Instead of having your widgets, twitter apps, chat apps, mail apps all doing their own push or periodic checking, they can all use the one Google connection. Saving battery over 4 apps doing their own checking.
And of course it uses the battery. If you want push on ANY device it will use the battery a lot more. If you want your battery to last longer, don't use any push features.
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i didint test it or dont remember if chrome to phone works without sync but if all works in that way why google bother to toggle "sync" yea i know its a low bandwith connection instead always check as poll but you need leave all day sync on to all work well and that will drain a little battery too
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Dude, you ever tried to get your ISP to turn on your internet connection on your home laptop when you get a mail?
Well, since you (hopefully) understood what kind of gibberish it is, maybe you'll understand why the data connection is always on in the phone? Because it's your internet, and without it you WON'T HAVE ANY DATA AT ALL.
If you choose to disable this connection for battery savings - it's your personal problem that you won't get any service that comes from the internet, including mails. That's how it works, and Google has nothing to do with it.
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Dude, you ever tried to get your ISP to turn on your internet connection on your home laptop when you get a mail?
Well, since you (hopefully) understood what kind of gibberish it is, maybe you'll understand why the data connection is always on in the phone? Because it's your internet, and without it you WON'T HAVE ANY DATA AT ALL.
If you choose to disable this connection for battery savings - it's your personal problem that you won't get any service that comes from the internet, including mails. That's how it works, and Google has nothing to do with it.
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FYI, they aren't talking about turning off data, rather have gmail push without having to keep sync on. With sync on, the apps regularly poke at the servers to get info about new emails, etc. In contrast, Blackberry push email works is a different way... the server pushes notifications to the app. Chrome to Phone works in this way and I guess it would be quite viable to have other Google apps do the same...
That is[/is] how Google apps do it. My phone tends to notify me of email before Thunderbird picks it up, and they're both push.
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FYI, they aren't talking about turning off data, rather have gmail push without having to keep sync on. With sync on, the apps regularly poke at the servers to get info about new emails, etc. In contrast, Blackberry push email works is a different way... the server pushes notifications to the app. Chrome to Phone works in this way and I guess it would be quite viable to have other Google apps do the same...
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Spoken by someone who never tried to confirm what he writes, and the same goes for the OP. The easiest way to understand that you're wrong is - position your phone in place with 3G / WiFi reception, and send yourself a mail on the PC. How much time it takes until you receive it on the phone? My measurements were from 5 sec to 1.5 min, and mostly stayed within half a minute from sending time. So, if your theory was correct, it would mean that the Gmail "pokes at the servers" more than once a minute.. Which is obviously wrong, and if you monitor traffic (in the easiest way possible - just look at your "H" symbol, if you have a custom ROM), you'll see that it doesn't happen.
"Sync" is a general term. Sync can be done in multiple ways. One of them is push sync. It just so happens that Gmail is push sync. And the "Sync" switch is just to enable/disable the sync for Google apps, it doesn't say anything about it being push/pull/whatever.
OK, so I'm not the first person to have this kind of problem, but I'm looking for updates or suggestions, since nothing has helped yet.
I don't have a data plan for my phone. It's actually blocked so I don't get charged per Kb for those sneaky apps that try to connect without telling you. I do have WiFi access in several locations. So far, I have not been able to download anything from the Android Market, or sign into GTalk. Market just tells me "Starting Download", but never has any progress or completion. GTalk won't even sign in. It just spins and says it's connecting for several minutes and then says it can't contact the server.
I have entered my google ID for market, and e-mail. E-mail seems to work fine, and I can browse apps in the market just fine, but I can't download them.
Has anybody WITHOUT A DATA PLAN (or one-time connection) been able to download apps from the market?
Hey,
I have a weird problem with my One, I recently set up a yahoo mail account using the Sense mail but it would not get any notifications of a received mail, I would however be able to open up the email, refresh and see it's there. If I installed Y! mail, the notification showed just fine.
Other app notifications like Facebook Messenger and so on work alright, but even the weather, which is set to update every hour, won't do so automatically, unless I specifically enter the app and request the refresh manually. So I'm thinking it's a problem related to Sense-apps only, since I haven't had trouble with notifications/updates in other apps.
Another strange thing happens at times with Play Store and Youtube, when entering apps, it first says-"No connection, please retry" or something, and sometimes I have to press retry 2 times to get it to work, even if the wireless signal is full and displayed so in the status bar. The wifi is on at all times, so that shouldn't be an issue either..
Has anyone experienced something similar? The store I bought my phone from two days ago can't exchange it, but only send it in for repairs..
I Have the second problem with my HTC One , the play store is very slow and many times says " connection Timed out" but when i use LTE its fine , im not sure if ghis is related to my phone or my WiFi