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Nexus One vs. Everything else to be coming out soon

I have a Hero right now.
I'm debating whether or not I should buy the Nexus One now, or wait for different phones with the same speeds to come out.
What's your opinion? Is the Nexus One ahead of the game by quite a bit in terms of speed, or will it soon be matched with phones that are coming out soon?
I have heard a lot about Android Phones coming out with 1Ghz processors, but am still unsure about a lot of things.
So in short, should I wait for the newer phones coming out (with 1Ghz processors), or buy the Nexus One now?
Thanks.

All the latest Android phones that are about to come have 1GHz processors. I believe the only thing that will differ the speed will be how much available RAM each phone has, which will be less than half judging from previous events. I don't know what other factors come into play when it comes to speed and Android - probably little OS things. Really, as usual, your choice is of course going to come down to personal preference. Form factor, Android version, and etc. will be the things that will have to determine your choices.
I'm sticking with the Nexus, it of course will be receiving all the development.. like the G1 per-see.. everything that comes out will eventually find itself of the Nexus if good enough. So don't worry yourself.
Unless overclocked, all these new Snapdragon phones will probably come underclocked to 998ghz like the Nexus that has been bumped up to 1113ghz.. not that that matters nuch I would assume.
Oh yea, and the 8MP cameras that have appearing.. that will also come into play here.
Edit: to address the 1113 GHz thing.. I obviously meant 1.113GHz everyone, don't be such jokers.

I think Cyan said it best on his twitter the other day...
'"I'll wait for a dual-core.."-Steve
N1 is ahead of the game I would say. There will be other phones with the same hardware. No phone will ever be the first "superphone"!!!! N1 FTW!!!

Eclair~ said:
All the latest Android phones that are about to come have 1GHz processors. I believe the only thing that will differ the speed will be how much available RAM each phone has, which will be less than half judging from previous events.
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When you say less than half, do you mean in comparison to the Nexus?
That's another point that has me leaning towards the Nexus. It's the first phone of its kind, so it will be getting a lot of attention with updates and what not.

I kinda worded that wrong ^, when I said less tham half - I meant the amount of RAM each phone will utilize. Most Android phones don't see to use their entire amount of RAM.. though, there have sadly been phones with literally twice as much RAM as the Nexus (1GB). (I was wrong here, it was ROM actually)
I guess I will just agree with Cyanogen, until dual-core phones come out - I will be sticking with the Nexus.

I think I'll be getting the Nexus then... I just need to sell my Hero now!
Who wants to buy it? Mint condition! Comes with a Zagg full body too!
On another note, the desire, while having sense is nice, and that 50mb of ram, its not a deal breaker as the nexus has noive cancellation along with a few other goodies the Desire will not have. Also, the desire can't run on ATT 3g!!

Put your Hero up for sale in the Marketplace forum section.

Agreed: I'll upgrade when there's a dual-core phone, not before. Anything until then will be marginal, super AMOLED and 46363576 GB of RAM or not (especially considering that Android still can't make use of even 512 MB of memory fully). Everything else, like Flash and divx/xvid support, is software-based and can/will be ported. The end.

I have a Magic and will most likely be picking up the N1. For me the determining factor is development activity, I want a device that the xda community can build around. It's comforting knowing that many of the top G1/Magic devs have upgraded to the Nexus and will be working with it for the foreseeable future.
The x10, Desire, Galaxy all look very impressive but if there's not substantial developer support amongst those devices then I'm not going to invest my money in them.

Eclair~ said:
the Nexus that has been bumped up to 1113ghz
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seriously???

faraz1992 said:
seriously???
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lol, or even 9000MHZ!!

Oh, lol, you guy's knew I meant 1.113GHz. I typed that on my phone, kinda wanted to get it over with you know.

izmar said:
I think I'll be getting the Nexus then... I just need to sell my Hero now!
Who wants to buy it? Mint condition! Comes with a Zagg full body too!
On another note, the desire, while having sense is nice, and that 50mb of ram, its not a deal breaker as the nexus has noive cancellation along with a few other goodies the Desire will not have. Also, the desire can't run on ATT 3g!!
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If you want sense, the desire rom on MoDaCo runs well on the N1, just not my style. The camera has grown on me though.

izmar said:
I have a Hero right now.
I'm debating whether or not I should buy the Nexus One now, or wait for different phones with the same speeds to come out.
What's your opinion? Is the Nexus One ahead of the game by quite a bit in terms of speed, or will it soon be matched with phones that are coming out soon?
I have heard a lot about Android Phones coming out with 1Ghz processors, but am still unsure about a lot of things.
So in short, should I wait for the newer phones coming out (with 1Ghz processors), or buy the Nexus One now?
Thanks.
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Right now it's ahead of the game. But there will always be better devices on the Horizon. The Desire. The Evo. Etc...
If you keep waiting for the best upcoming phone, you'll never upgrade!

Is it unlikely the Nexus One will be overtaken soon?

As I said in another thread, I am probably going to sell my Desire and get an N1.
But I am wary of buying a 6 month old phone - especially with the rate android is moving forward at.
My question is - will the N1 be surpasses anytime soon with another google phone?
I know there are other phones out their with better specs (eg EVO) but I am talking about a real google phone, like the N1, which gets updates straight from google without anyone in between getting in the way.
It's probably a stupid question asking seeing as no one knows what companies are planning, but I guess I'm just looking for someone to convince me to take the plunge!

my guess is that the nexus one wil lbe the flagship phone, google's phone, for a full year. so look until january before a replacement comes along. even though the incredible and evo are here, the nexus one remains the developer phone. and i dont think that is going to change until january. just my opinion.

there is no doubt that eventually the N1 will be surpassed. I love my Nexus One, but one of the MAIN reasons I got the N1 was because I was gambling that Google would treat it like its own personal baby. Favoriting it, giving updates sooner then the rest of the phones, and hopefulness that because it was their baby they would suite Android to work around the Nexus One, ie. If 2.2 did not work on the Nexus One, they would have MADE it until it worked on the Nexus One.

Blueman101 said:
there is no doubt that eventually the N1 will be surpassed.
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+1.
To OP:
You're not buying a computer that "will not be surpassed", right? Because you know that new technology is out on a monthly basis.
So why do you expect anything different in a smartphone that is essentially nothing else but a mini computer?
Yes, in a year or maybe even 1/2 year you'll no longer be on par with the top dogs, and in 3 years your phone might probably be scrapped. So? That's how things work.. They develop.

Jack_R1 said:
+1.
To OP:
You're not buying a computer that "will not be surpassed", right? Because you know that new technology is out on a monthly basis.
So why do you expect anything different in a smartphone that is essentially nothing else but a mini computer?
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Well as all I am looking for is a phone direct from google, then it is quite reasonable to expect it not to be surpassed each month.
I don't really care if a better android phone comes out, I will only have buyers remorse if a Nexus Two came out soon, but I suppose when that happens is anyones guess.

The guesses that are currently out say that there's no other Google phone planned for this year (at least), so if you want to buy Nexus because you want Google's Android Development Phone platform - you can count of trouble-free 1/2-year.
(but at the end of the year 1.3GHz phones might appear, and the next year can bring dual cores... So if you want to stay in the top pack, I guess 1 year is the phone's lifespan).

Am I the only one that isn't completely wowed by the Evo?
The front facing camera is nice, but there isn't a lot of software support and I can't see myself using it much. My laptop has a web cam built in, and I don't know if I have ever used it. None of the people I would be talking to would have a camera on their phone anyway.
The screen is nice and big, but the resolution is still the standard 800x480 so it's not displaying any more on screen than the N1, Desire, Incredible. Plus processor isn't any better. 4G is great, but availability is obviously limited.
I just don't think it's the huge improvement over the Desire and Incredible that everyone seems to believe. Plus the more I use Sense UI, the less I like it.

The way I see it is you need to look at 2 things in regards to these types of phones... the hardware... and the availability of updates to the software...
Hardware wise, The Nexus is completely sufficient. 1ghz processor, 512mb of RAM, a great camera, a nice AMOLED screen, and a very durable build quality...
Software wise, it's vanilla Android and is first in line for updates from google... All the competing phones have that (sense, blur) crap built-in that severely hinders the release process of updates ... they will ALWAYS get updates later than any phones with vanilla Android...
If you get an EVO or an Incredible or whatever else comes out in a few months... you will gain a few minor things as far as hardware spec differences, unless u want an over sized bulging screen in your pocket. The camera? Who cares it's a friggin' phone... 5mp is PLENTY. You already have to optimize even 5mp as a standard to even send as MMS. Anything over 1ghz is pretty much overkill for android in its current phase... it's a phone... it runs fast as hell it doesn't need a dual-core processor geeze.
I dunno... I really think the nexus is still the best bet people who want a touch-based phone and always want to be on the bleeding edge of android os developments.

Have to say, you have a Desire, which is essentially the Nexus One with a different skin, why look at the Nexus? I get your main point, the N1 already has Froyo, everyone else is waiting, but Froyo is being ported to the Desire as we speak. If you know a bit about modding and don't mind being a month or two behind, save some money and let the devs cook up a Froyo rom, and be assured that whatever comes out for the N1 will make it to the Desire. Hell, if the Dream and Magic can handle Eclair, anything is possible.
Side note, I have an N1 and installed Froyo, really liked it but went back to Cyanogen's 5.0.7. Many other N1 users have done the same. Once you get used to a custom rom, its hard to do without many of the bells and whistles you're used to, so I don't mind sitting and waiting for a customized Froyo.

kitsunisan said:
Have to say, you have a Desire, which is essentially the Nexus One with a different skin, why look at the Nexus? I get your main point, the N1 already has Froyo, everyone else is waiting, but Froyo is being ported to the Desire as we speak. If you know a bit about modding and don't mind being a month or two behind, save some money and let the devs cook up a Froyo rom, and be assured that whatever comes out for the N1 will make it to the Desire. Hell, if the Dream and Magic can handle Eclair, anything is possible.
Side note, I have an N1 and installed Froyo, really liked it but went back to Cyanogen's 5.0.7. Many other N1 users have done the same. Once you get used to a custom rom, its hard to do without many of the bells and whistles you're used to, so I don't mind sitting and waiting for a customized Froyo.
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A few reasons really:
1. I now really dislike sense.
2. HTC have gone to unnecessary lengths to prevent root access. We don't have a full root yet and we may never have it. Also they're are over 60 people who have bricked their desire and the cause is not known, this is slowing development.
3. I don't want it to end up like the hero, that was their last flagship device and its still on 1.6 for most people.
4. Fast updates - always good.
I'd just like to have vanilla android without having to risk bricking my phone really.

samac92 said:
A few reasons really:
1. I now really dislike sense.
2. HTC have gone to unnecessary lengths to prevent root access. We don't have a full root yet and we may never have it. Also they're are over 60 people who have bricked their desire and the cause is not known, this is slowing development.
3. I don't want it to end up like the hero, that was their last flagship device and its still on 1.6 for most people.
4. Fast updates - always good.
I'd just like to have vanilla android without having to risk bricking my phone really.
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i've used Sense so much and i totally hate it as well. i'm so much happier with my nexus vanilla android experience. i do get why some people like sense, but for me personally, i dont like it.

In my opinion, the closest phone to 'overtake' the N1 will be the Samsung Galaxy S. The triangles that thing can push out is supposed to be very impressive. Other phones, to me, come down to preference (Evo for screen size and network, Desire for Sense). The N1 will probably be the first phone to get Gingerbread and even the update after that at least.
We'll see 1ghz phones become more common before a bump in processor speed happens, I feel. The N1's a nice phone and worth the money.

PrawnPoBoy said:
Am I the only one that isn't completely wowed by the Evo?
The front facing camera is nice, but there isn't a lot of software support and I can't see myself using it much. My laptop has a web cam built in, and I don't know if I have ever used it. None of the people I would be talking to would have a camera on their phone anyway.
The screen is nice and big, but the resolution is still the standard 800x480 so it's not displaying any more on screen than the N1, Desire, Incredible. Plus processor isn't any better. 4G is great, but availability is obviously limited.
I just don't think it's the huge improvement over the Desire and Incredible that everyone seems to believe. Plus the more I use Sense UI, the less I like it.
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you are not alone. the EVO just doesnt wow me either. when 1.5gHz phones come out, then maybe i'll ditch the nexus. but the current hardware (evo and incredible) are so similar to the nexus, they are all cousins and in the same league. nexus gets the newest updates and has best build quality, so some would say its actually the better of the 3.

If you haven't bought one by now, I would hold off. Expect HTC leaks to start up again for their new lineup for next year.
It also depends on how you plan to use the phone.

I am not too worried about cpu muscle. Everything I do on the N1 happens pretty much instantly. That a more potent cpu might load something faster as can be measured by testing equipment doesnt matter to me. Now if those new dual cores bring optimizations to improve battery life that might catch my eye but brute stength, nah. I really dont see what the evo or incredible bring to the table for me outside of the larger screen on the evo. Even there I recently handled an X10 and to my mind that is about the perfect screen size, I find the evo just a wee bit clunky in the hand. To be honest there is no announced handset in the works that even slightly peaks my interest. I'm guessing there will be nothing that catches my eye until the hollidays at the earliest. Personally I was hoping that the N2 (following in the fully unlocked steps of the N1) might be seeing the light of day around then.
edit.... I'm basing my feelings on the size of the evo on handling the HD2, I have not had an evo in hand.

krabman said:
I am not too worried about cpu muscle. Everything I do on the N1 happens pretty much instantly. That a more potent cpu might load something faster as can be measured by testing equipment doesnt matter to me. Now if those new dual cores bring optimizations to improve battery life that might catch my eye but brute stength, nah. I really dont see what the evo or incredible bring to the table for me outside of the larger screen on the evo. Even there I recently handled an X10 and to my mind that is about the perfect screen size, I find the evo just a wee bit clunky in the hand. To be honest there is no announced handset in the works that even slightly peaks my interest. I'm guessing there will be nothing that catches my eye until the hollidays at the earliest. Personally I was hoping that the N2 (following in the fully unlocked steps of the N1) might be seeing the light of day around then.
edit.... I'm basing my feelings on the size of the evo on handling the HD2, I have not had an evo in hand.
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I agree, some people are too obsessed with benchmarks imo. The phone does everything you want pretty much instantly, and there's not many processor intensive apps for android anyway.

evo is great except:
1) sprint only
2) contract only
What would make it better than the nexus:
1) simple way to root.
2) runs standard Cyanogen or AOSP, no proprietary stuff like sense.
3) supports GSM
I waited three years before jumping in, loved android right from when it was announced. The Nexus one pretty much has no challengers for the throne yet. A true open phone.

Take it with a grain of salt, but when I went to a local TMo store to get a SIM for my wife's new N1, I was asking about when they think they might be getting the N1 in (seeing as there's already some 3rd party places selling the N1).
I was told they probably won't be getting a google phone in until the Nexus TWO, sometime in November of THIS year.
My take on it is this; If it's something you want, get it now and enjoy it. There is ALWAYS something better, faster, sleeker and that will cost less coming right around the corner.

If the N1 had a touch screen that wasn't so terrible I'd really want for nothing. Maybe some better battery life..

If you're talking about a straight Google phone unlocked, then yes, one will be out this year. Earlier in the year, someone high up in Motorola announced they were working with Google to create a straight-to-consumer phone. I assume this will be the Nexus Two. I'll look for links to it and reply with them.
A quick Google search for "Motorola straight to consumer phone" and you come up with exactly what I was talking about. First link here:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/motorola_developing_straighttoconsumer_google_phone

on the fence about buying...

any peopple coming from android in here? !
well, could you push me one way or the other please?
so basically, convince me to buy a hd7.

Recent phones, Nexus one, G2, captivate.
I've been diehard android since the G1 but when I saw this UI I melted just a little bit.
I will tell you the only thing I dislike so far is the current lack of app support which can only get better with time. The UI may have been marketed as something that you could pick up glance at and then put down but I find myself on it just as much as I did my g2. This phone has the ability to change the face of phones if Microsoft has the backing (how could they not) Jump on the bandwagon while there's still room, it's more than worth it.

My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it

Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.

adesonic said:
My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it
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ive done TOO much research. i swear im dead serious, at least 10 hours of hard research this week.

bernaserra said:
Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.
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agree completely. the hardware is really dissapointing though. ill definitely be wedded for two years, annd i think 3.5G (i refuse to call hspa+ 4g) will be commonplace byy then.

I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile

carmeng4evr said:
I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile
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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...

I wouldn't say it sucks per say.
I mean is the HD7 the best hardware i've owned? No
However given the actual software's pluses, it makes it
less of an issue....
I'd say my top 5 devices for hardware from 2009-2010
1)Sony Xperia X10--even with that low speaker, it is a sexy device
2)Droid Incredible
3)Samsung Captivate-Pretty
4)HTC evo/HD7- Basically the same device
5)Iphone 4
I've owned quite a few more but these are my top 5 from best to average
There is always the venue pro that comes out in a few days to consider.
But i dont think the HD7 hardware is that bad...the worse part is the camera...Usable but not the best

i agree, the sony xperia is onee sexyy device. xD

evo= +ffc
+8mp.

Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.

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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...
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LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?

eternalemb said:
LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.

z33dev33l said:
Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.
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your post is highly opinionated.
1)evo" [sprint] is a terrible carrier. =opinion.
2)Nothing should run sense. =opinion.
3)Motorola is all crap materials. =my girlfriend has a motorola charm. she dropped that thing from my upstairs onto hardwood, and it still works, no major scratches.
4)Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight. =I've never owned a galaxy S variant, so i cant comment.
5)iPhones just have the most terrible os ever made. =if thats not an opinion, albert einstein was part of Hell's Angels.
6) XPERIA poor glass= never owned one.
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.

I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore

eternalemb said:
That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.
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it's called a myTouch 4G.......

tfn said:
I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore
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thanks!
BTW, its WP7, because they "reinvented and thoroughly refreshed their hardware and software from previous generations. " they dont want people to think its windows mobile all over again.
But, imagine if you lose your phone. most self respecting android geeks have wheres my droid on their phone. if you ever lose your phone, you send a text to it with your codeword, and it rings, and the screen turns into your contact info. You put in a password, and it shuts up. Because, its open source, and apps have access to everything they need. That's the best part of android, IMO.

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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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Let's put it this way, with WP7 ridiculous specs are not required. The phone in terms of speed runs rings around my old Vibrant, and the Vibrant has arguably better hardware(better GPU) The OS itself is hardware accelerated, Android can't attest to that so they need raw power to get the OS to acceptable speed levels.
Not to mention the hardware drivers are made by the OS manufacturer which means everything's a bit more tightly integrated and made with each other in mind.
Go play with one and see what I mean.

HTC falling further and further downhill...

So HTC seems to have run completely out of new and innovative ideas and when they do now it's just depressing. Their recent devices are just re-releases of the same device over and over except with a bigger processor and perhaps a better camera. They barely bother to change the chassis anymore. The last decent innovation I saw HTC come up with was the G1 Z sliding mechanism and how did they follow that up? G2 Z-hinge? Yeah, how's it hanging? After this they went on to release the HTC surround? Is dropping acid mandatory to be a hardware designer at HTC these days because those guys had to be on something to think that was a remotely decent device. I mean all in all aside from processors HTC's hardware is third rate. Their outdated screens are just depressing and their build-quality leaves something to be desired. What happened to the days when HTC seemed like the future of phones? Did their time already come and pass?

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So HTC seems to have run completely out of new and innovative ideas and when they do now it's just depressing. Their recent devices are just re-releases of the same device over and over except with a bigger processor and perhaps a better camera. They barely bother to change the chassis anymore. The last decent innovation I saw HTC come up with was the G1 Z sliding mechanism and how did they follow that up? G2 Z-hinge? Yeah, how's it hanging? After this they went on to release the HTC surround? Is dropping acid mandatory to be a hardware designer at HTC these days because those guys had to be on something to think that was a remotely decent device. I mean all in all aside from processors HTC's hardware is third rate. Their outdated screens are just depressing and their build-quality leaves something to be desired. What happened to the days when HTC seemed like the future of phones? Did their time already come and pass?
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Huuhahah. nice word play. It leaves something to be "desired"
On a more serious note. i agree. no innovative designs from the guys @HTC.
Also specs wise i really have the feeling the competition is starting to get ahead. More 1080p dual core shiney stuff htc!. get with the program.

HTC chassis design is the best so you could say there is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Without making drastic, and therefore unpopular changes to their designs there are only so many things they can do!
I do think their quality control could be better though and i'm still fuming that they did diddly squat to rectify the hardware issues with the Nexus One. Rather than flooding the market with derivitive products perhaps they should focus on making fewer but better handsets.

your still a fool if you buy somthing over the hd2 and your a htc fan (and your not a millionaire)
karma shall reward the ones who are patient

HTC got into the popularity game now, when before they were in the quality game. Carriers WANT HTC to make phones for them, and since carriers like to release a new phone every two months, there is no way HTC can be innovative. HTC is in it for the money, which is what most companies do. And you tell me, if you had a skill, made decent money on it, then a few people wanted you to use your skill towards their business, and all will pay you a ****load, you would do it.

After reading a Thunderbolt review another glaring HTC oversight was apparent. The micro usb charging port is on the side of the device, which is bad enough, but it's on the side that will be down when using the kickstand in Landscape, so you can't watch a movie and charge simultaneously
How are they making such fundamental errors?

On my experience is nothing related only to HTC, every brand is going slow as they want us to buy mobiles every year, if they launch (and sure they can) a super ultra nice device a lot of us would go for it and probably won´t upgrade as fast as they want.
So they want our money and that´s because they won´t go as fast as you want...
Just my opinion...

now hang on let's not be super drastic about htc and trust me, I've been extremely critical of htc
see
http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-me-to-nokia-thank-you/
and while I have been critical, I am intrigued with their new button layout and design. It does look a bit more modern, but does that mean we users will get a better experience vs. the famed tp2 keyboard?
Now otherwise I do agree with one thing - HTC is in an era of non innovation. I would love to have a vertical slider from htc to compete with the dell venue pro; I'd also like to have some more odds and ends from htc. Why consumers aren't getting them is beyond me. Perhaps it legality, which would make sense. But overall, their chassis designs need a major change...

HTC still is stable and will surely have a huge share in the mobile market for the next 2-3 years (till tablets come into the mainstream)
See Nokia, they have been completely wiped off the mobile scene. The new E series is a huge flop. Even with their publicity nothing is happening with Nokia. It is alive only because of the low-end mobiles.
Secondly, SE. Even they are not aware of what they are doing. Just making mobiles, selling and forgetting about them. They are'nt even worth of being in the market
Cant say anything about samsung
As much as i know, Motorola will be the leading player in the coming 2-3 years. Seeing its exhibits in the CES '11 they surely have a lot of innovation coming in the mobile industry

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See Nokia, they have been completely wiped off the mobile scene. The new E series is a huge flop. Even with their publicity nothing is happening with Nokia. It is alive only because of the low-end mobiles.
Secondly, SE. Even they are not aware of what they are doing. Just making mobiles, selling and forgetting about them. They are'nt even worth of being in the market
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they both doing really well in europ tho

The qHD, new sense, and a 3d phone is really falling down! Sweet bro.
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Let's be real, what else can you do aside from making the outer case of the phone a different color? Only thing you can do, is add on features and carrier support. 3d being one of them, a 4.3" device with a more updated network modem(3.8" for Tmobile), being the Mytouch 4g, Inspire 4g, Thunderbolt, and the Evo. You have your sliders with updated network modems, g2 for Tmobile, and Evo Shift for Sprint. HTC has always gone with a couple different design choices, and personally I think they look great. They can only do so much with the SoC they use, seeing that they use qualcomm SoCs that still perform pretty nice, even the 65nm versions(But not the gpu. Adreno 200 sucks). What else do you want from them? A TV with an LTE modem that runs Android 2.3 with Sense in 3d? Admitting, the HD7 has some problems with build quality but every company has an issue like that with a device. Hell, Samsung has many devices with problems.

One thing that's hindering everybody is battery technology. That's a hurdle to overcome. I wish that the manufacturers would quit with this bigger is better approach that they seem to be taking. I'd like a phone i can actually put in my pocket!
Of course having bigger devices makes it easier to fit all the components into a slim form factor, and a lot of people seem to like them, so the manufacturers benefit. But these bigger screens have got to be having an impact on battery life, right?

Nsandhu23 said:
The qHD, new sense, and a 3d phone is really falling down! Sweet bro.
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wat phone is that

Two things to say up front:
1. I am an HTC fan.
2. I am a former Samsung (Moment) customer and I would never go back.
Now, I do think Samsung has flashier styling, and probably HTC's design department could take some lessons from them.
That being said, I still love my EVO 4G and wouldn't trade it for the world.

Well at least you guys have 4g. Our only 4g carrier retardedly made an exclusive deal with Samsung for their phones. Sigh...
Snet from me HTC Dserie using lé XDA app. Excuse typoz.

souljaboy said:
wat phone is that
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Evolution 3D which will be announced March 22nd.
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DirkGently1 said:
HTC chassis design is the best so you could say there is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Without making drastic, and therefore unpopular changes to their designs there are only so many things they can do!
I do think their quality control could be better though and i'm still fuming that they did diddly squat to rectify the hardware issues with the Nexus One. Rather than flooding the market with derivitive products perhaps they should focus on making fewer but better handsets.
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I agree!
+1

souljaboy said:
wat phone is that
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Just like I said earlier. http://m.androidcentral.com/sprints...ils-leaked-expect-evo-3d-evo-view-4g-and-xoom there you have it
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just a word: HTC = UGLY
no style, no innovation... no taste.

Vivid... or a next-gen 2012 phone?

Since I have to stick with my choice for the next 2years. I want some "promise" that it will last until then...
Vivid, is still using S3, a 2011's technology which probably become "too old" already by the end of 2012.
Quad-core isnt necessary for me, a powerful dual-core like "Krait" is enough, 4.5" screen and SD slot is a must. I don't care much about battery life, since I always close to the power sources, but having more battery as reserve is better.
Is there any chance for Vivid after upgraded to ICS to boost itself? and how much is it?
Could it compete with HTC one X, XL, Huawei Ascend D quad, D1...?
These devices will ship within 2-3months and if it cost not more than 600$, i would grab one.
so, the question is...
Can Vivid still compete with other next-gen phone (One X,S, Huawei D1, Dquad....) or I should wait for those next-gen phone?

If in the states and on at&t,htc one...not your cup of tea,no sdcard,screen is big enough,internal battery(1800mAh) I really dont see the need to upgrade if not needed,vivid is a solid device with imo more options,sdcard slot,marginal screen difference(.2 dif) a1.5 processor...ics should vamp up the vivid considerably after all the bloatware,ciq and other loggers are removed oh and hopefully the update doesnt relock the bootloader...not sure if it could but that would just blow chunks if it does....just my opinion....but ultimately its your money and your decision
beam408 said:
Since I have to stick with my choice for the next 2years. I want some "promise" that it will last until then...
Vivid, is still using S3, a 2011's technology which probably become "too old" already by the end of 2012.
Quad-core isnt necessary for me, a powerful dual-core like "Krait" is enough, 4.5" screen and SD slot is a must. I don't care much about battery life, since I always close to the power sources, but having more battery as reserve is better.
Is there any chance for Vivid after upgraded to ICS to boost itself? and how much is it?
Could it compete with HTC one X, XL, Huawei Ascend D quad, D1...?
These devices will ship within 2-3months and if it cost not more than 600$, i would grab one.
so, the question is...
Can Vivid still compete with other next-gen phone (One X,S, Huawei D1, Dquad....) or I should wait for those next-gen phone?
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I think the vivid could still compete with some of those newer phones if it keeps being supported. The HTC One line isn't going to have any expandable memory so thats one advantage the vivid has over those for what you need. Not to sure about the Huawei phones. I think this is their first time trying to push a more high end phone so might wanna wait till they come out and get a chance to hear some feedback on them. They do look pretty decent though.

forgot to mention that i'm outside US and still using blessed Milestone1.
beside of extremely lacking of memory storage, it's still very useful with lastest custom rom .

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If in the states and on at&t,htc one...not your cup of tea,no sdcard,screen is big enough,internal battery(1800mAh) I really dont see the need to upgrade if not needed,vivid is a solid device with imo more options,sdcard slot,marginal screen difference(.2 dif) a1.5 processor...ics should vamp up the vivid considerably after all the bloatware,ciq and other loggers are removed oh and hopefully the update doesnt relock the bootloader...not sure if it could but that would just blow chunks if it does....just my opinion....but ultimately its your money and your decision
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I was honestly thinking about getting the one X but different processor for the AT&T version means that we won't be able to use the International ROMs, correct? There are great devs here in the USA, quoted company included , but that was one thing I really loved about having the Inspire. The development section for the DHD was huge and still is actually. I'm fairly certain I'm going to stick with the Vivid for awhile, unless my company lets me upgrade early again, like I did to get the Vivid.

wipes brown spot off psides nose...lol...we wont know till we get the devices on whats able to be used etc....
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I was honestly thinking about getting the one X but different processor for the AT&T version means that we won't be able to use the International ROMs, correct? There are great devs here in the USA, quoted company included , but that was one thing I really loved about having the Inspire. The development section for the DHD was huge and still is actually. I'm fairly certain I'm going to stick with the Vivid for awhile, unless my company lets me upgrade early again, like I did to get the Vivid.
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wipes brown spot off psides nose...lol...we wont know till we get the devices on whats able to be used etc....
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LOL, just calling it like I see it.
Gotcha. I just assumed the different CPUs would kill any chance of cross development on the 2 devices. I'll probably still check to see if I can upgrade or not. My company has strange policies on upgrading. I got the Captivate in Aug. 2010, upgraded to the Inspire in Feb. 2011, and was able to upgrade again to the Vivid on launch weekend. But some people have to wait a full 18 months or 2 years. I'm not complaining, I just don't understand it.

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forgot to mention that i'm outside US and still using blessed Milestone1.
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The international One X comes with 32gb of storage, now if it does indeed has all 32gb available, then the lack of external sd might not be as big of an issue. However, that is a different story for the US 16gb pos...
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wipes brown spot off psides nose...lol...we wont know till we get the devices on whats able to be used etc....
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hahahah, give the guy a break, the WCX Illuminati series does ridiculously quick bug fixes and excellent performance, the praise is well deserved

In terms of software, I don't see any reason not to keep using Vivid for awhile longer. The hardware is also powerful enough to handle most anything for the immediate future.
The top of the line phones aren't going to be that much of an upgrade at the moment, especially considering almost no mobile software is optimized for quad-core processors.
Until optimized software is released, you may actually see a performance hit on some of these upcoming quad-core phones, and there's also the power consumption issue if you're running demanding apps.

I'm looking forward to HTC one It looks so cool.

Phone's been out almost 5 months and I'm noy bored yet. ICS coming in about a month, so it shoud be good for another 6 months, right on time for the next upgrade on my second line. By then shoud have some quadcore jelly bean, 2500mah, >4.5" goodness...
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