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I ask because I've been working on a superlite ROM for a few weeks, and while I'm all for the idea of having a ROM that is just a platform for doing things with the maximum of speed and the minimum of fuss, I don't know if you guys are. Judging by the ROMs being released and the ROMs that people rave about, it seems not. If it turns out that you guys are interested, I'll put more effort into developing and make it public as soon as I have something worthy of competing with the range here.
Let me know what you think.
And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?
A lite rom always is good for speed and performance an maybe even battery life. Though you have to add t3d to it, since it's the only thing that keeps me away from digging to deep into the wimo user interface, wich is so frustrating at times.
Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!
yes i like the idea too..because a lite rom is much faster than a normal and if you need something you can install it later. but in the "FULL" roms there are a lot of things that you wont use etc.
it would very nice if someone could make a lite rom from wm6.5 2303*(or higher) :$
and sorry for my english ... i am hungarian
I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.
i feel like there's plenty of TF3D roms out now, incl. lite TF3D, so a rom without TF3D would be great! i agree with your point 2- as few button presses as possible, that's why i love spb pocket plus and ms3- very customisable
i'm using norti's lite rom now, and even though it hasn't been developed in a while, it's fast, stable and dependable, just how a lite rom should be. i've customised it perfectly to my needs, and although i flash interesting roms, i always go back to nortis lite
i've tried 6.5lite roms too, and all seem slower than 6.1 lites. 6.1 is my preference until 6.5 bugs/ speed improves
as for suggestions/ what i would like;
- is it possible to use 'extendir'? if it works, performance gains could be big?
- include graphics drivers of some sort
- enable UC
- optimise some programs (like opera with ramdisc)
- speed/ memory tweaks
the lite roms of old are very sound, so i don't think it need differ much, maybe just update it when new builds are released?
As you can probably tell i'm very keen for a new lite rom! So thanks for asking opinions, and good luck with it, I look forward to it!
I would thoroughly enjoy a lite rom, please share
which build are you currently using on your rom?
mobilevu also has a lite rom, although he hasn't updated in awhile (doesn't mean it isn't good!)
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Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!
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Something I've got a severely bad habit of doing is writing a line in a post, and then editing it out with the intnetion of putting it back somehwere where it fits in better, but then forgetting to completely, and then finding myself wondering why people are contradicting what I said. I really have to stop it
Anyway, what I meant to put in my post was that my plan for the ROM is to bundle with it an installer app that installs apps in the same way that you'd maybe install components of something like MS Office or of a codec pack, where you just select the bits you want with a series of tickboxes, and the hit OK and wait ten minutes while the installer puts in everything you want. So, in its default state, the ROM would come simply with enough to do just phone, sms, and phonebook, and everything else would be an optional extra, camera and internet and the like inclusive. There'd actually be some pretty nifty advantages to doing it that way, since besides the obvious speed advantage, it'd mean that you'd be able to more-or-less customise the ROM to use whatever components you like. ie, it might all look like this:
--- Camera app
[ ] Omit
[o] Rhodium R3A cam (fastest load times)
[ ] HTC cam (slower to load, tap autofocus)
[ ] Made-up 3rd party camera app (etc)
--- Internet Browser
[ ] None
[x] Iris
[x] Opera 9.7b with onscreen keyboard
[ ] Opera 9.7b without onscreen keyboard
[x] Internet Explorer
--- Media Players
[x] None
[ ] Windows Media Player
[ ] Nitro
And so on, if that makes any sense. The other big advantage to doing it that way would be that apps wouldn't have to be bundled with the ROM, which means far less frequent ROM updates needed. Just the installer bundle app might need an update maybe once every few weeks or so, and then all's cool.
But it's all pretty much theory, curiosities, and pages of my notepad right now with only some basic rough builds knocked together, so I want to hear more thoughts from yourself and everyone else.
dhiral.v said:
I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.
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Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.
I read people discusing TF3D. If you want to built a lite rom you don't wanna put TF3D in it. i have currently wm6.5. and did som ram usage tests with home screens.
if you use TF3D the ram usage at cold start is 50% (that is very high for me)
the standard wm6.5 home is arround 36% ram usage
and if you don't use any home plugin (the old way) the ram usage is around 34%
so i suggest if its gonna be a wm6.5 lite version stick with the wm6.5 home.
And use R3 software from kovsky itself not to much from rhodium. the only things i like from fhodium are the volume control and the top bar tap that shows info. the rest isn't needed. for browser take the standard opera that comes with x1 for the zoom with volume buttons it makes zooming much easiyer. and don't put any extra software let users install there own software.
things that could be removed:
1. messenger
2. Windows live
3. widgets
4. IE
Try to not remove to much base software that makes the phone unstable and some functionalitys don't work anymore.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547502
as per the above thread it seems 6.1 is the way to go still. the screenshots i've seen of the new 6.5 builds look good with the 'ok' button at the bottom, but 6.5 seems a step back. the start menu is just horrible, and the home screen doesn't make much sense to me.
i just flashed jack's rom, it's ram usage is 26%, and 29% with mobile shell 3, which isn't bad
the installer app is an excellent idea, that would top UC
for me what i'd like in a rom is manila default (remove titanium)
with panels
thats it...
maybe latest opera 9.7b with all the links in manila fixed up ^^
Personally,
I like just basic fuctionality (usual stable base) and a choice of Touch Flo or Titanium, because at the end of the day, we can get a cab file for everything else cant we? Microsoft MyPhone for online backup/sms or PimBackup or Sprite?
Google maps, facebook, opera, clean ram, iPlayer, and even windows live, why bloat the rom with software that many people dont use?
I like windows media player, but apart from that, i like having to install only what i need to a rom. Also, specifically to the Xperia X1, why do some ROM's have finger keyboard? We have a keyboard! lol, and if the Rom is good enough, screen rotation is pretty instant.
Also, with less programs included, we can install more to the card, leaving more free space on the phone.
note sometimes if core files are removed... the .cab install file wont work
have noted some roms having issues with wlmessenger because it was removed completely...
i got 2 kind of phone.. 1 is for daily call n sms.. xperia is for multi tasking.. so, my xperia never install lite rom b4 wan..sorry..
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Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.
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I think that manila makes WM much more interesting and is a good interface to have on top of WM. I suppose when you come to releasing the rom you can release two versions, one with manila and one without manila.
@therealreddavid
no pressure(!), but how's progress on the rom going?
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And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?
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Oh and put in 'extendir' and the 3d drivers/tweaks
just STRIP EVERY THING that isnt neccesarry we can find our cabs if needed
I am big fan of lite builds! I rather have base OS on which needed apps can be added. For example I don't like TF3D that much, I am bigger fan of the Titanium interface (seems lighter too).
The ideal rom for me would consist of the base which WM has + some extra stuff like dev certs, .NET3.5, Java VM. And everything else is add-able by a CAB file.
I am eager to see the ROM you are working on!
is possible win mobile on htc tattoo?
tanks
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583920
Still trying to find a method to root the device, then WM is pretty much further (and uninteresting sincerely). Buying a Tattoo for WM is a really bad idea, I don't even know if the processor can support WM
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
Coburn64 said:
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
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A little history from wiki..
Released in 16 November 1996 Codename "Alder".
Devices named "handheld PC" (HPC).
2.0 Released in September 1997 Codename "Birch".
Devices named "Palm-sized PC".
Real-time deterministic task scheduling.
Architectures: ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, StrongARM, SuperH and x86.
32-bit color screens.
SSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0.
3.0Released in June 2000 [MSCE3].Codename "Cedar".
Major recode that made CE hard real time down to the microsecond level.
Base for the Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Smartphone 2002.
Priority levels was increased from 8 to 256.
Object store was increased from 65 536 to 4,19 million allowed objects.
Restricted access to critical APIs or restricting write access to parts of the registry.
4.x Released in January 2002 [MSCE4].Codename "Talisker/Jameson/McKendric".
Driver structure changed greatly, new features added.
Base for "Pocket PC 2003".
Bluetooth support.
TLS (SSL 3.1), IPsec L2TP VPN, or Kerberos.
5.0 Released in August 2004.Adds lots of features. Codename "Macallan".
Automatic report of bugs to the manufacturer.
Direct3D Mobile, a COM-based version of Windows XP's DirectX multimedia API.
DirectDraw for 2D graphics and DirectShow for camera and video digitisation support.
Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) support.
6.x Released in September 2006. Codename "Yamazaki".
Process address space is increased from 32 MB to 1 GB.
Number of processes has been increased from 32 to 32 768.
User mode and kernel mode device drivers are possible.
512MB physically managed memory
Device.exe, filesys.exe, GWES.exe has been moved to Kernel mode.
SetKMode and set process permissions not possible.
System call performance improved.
Theres no doubt Windows can do more than Android can in certain areas that really make a device useful. Windows Mobile= Mini PC w/phone capabilities, and Android= Modern Smart phone/w PC like functionality. It's all up to what you want in a phone..but if you gave me a Mini PC Phone..all in one word..that will be winner.
Cant understand WHY anyone wants WM ??? Its **** compare to Android in my world
OK, Could be nice with update for android to 2.x but windows mobile = hell no....
WM Shouldn't be a priority - Let's root and update
I have owned several WM devices, and Android is way superior than WM. Why would you buy a tattoo and then convert it? You should have bought a WM device if you want WM. Anyway, we should first be able to root the device, and update to 2.1.
Let us get our priorities right people!
besides being free source and visually more appealing i fail to see where exactly does android out do windows mobile???? Functionality ways according to me nothing beats windows mobile. I upgraded to the hero just to try something different, just to see what android is like..and in no way is it better than windows mobile....if ur talking about sense ui, facebook integration, and all the million other widgets that make your experience a great one.....that isn't the android OS per se...theyre just add ons. any way SPB mobile 3.5 is still better than the sense ui that we get on our phones.
things i didn't like about android:
-No bluetooth file transfer(at least in the version im running on the hero now)
-No bluetooth tethering option(i used to use this a lot on my windows phone)
-no option of installing programs on sd card( i had to root and install apps to sd, that too cache still remains on the phone memory)
-lacks basic programs when it comes from the factory, being a smart phone one would expect it to ship with basic programs like a file explorer and an office suite. but no...this phone overly depends on the market for everything.
conclusion
Although android is developing fast and seems to have a promising future, it is yet to become as good as windows mobile let alone out doing it. if i had the money i would surely buy an HD2.
We all know Android looks nicer but how does that make it superior? Wouldn't the operation system with the most features be ahead? Windows mobile will get flash 10.1 support first..windows CE usually powers all the intese 3D U.I's you see in embedded devices. Even nvidia has said they prefer the windows kernel over linux for doing 3D applications. I'm just saying the next windows mobile is obviously going be like holding a Mini Gaming PC from 2005-2006 in your pocket. Android will have to impress me with just good looks, and open source goodness..if theres an alternative that can actually do more. Dont get me wrong though, once i've booted Android on my device I never looked backed at windows again.
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
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Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
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Yeah, I'm just saying the next high end windows phones will bring mobile smartphones into the next level. It will support higher res 1200x600 screens ,multiple screen support, being able to output movies, and UI to your TV..making it a true portable media device. You'll basically have a xbox 360/Zune/PC in your pocket.
hers what to do
send me your tatoo
ill send you my htc touch mk 1
fair swap
you get windows
i get anotheR lovely android device !!
(( no but seriously the apps you want i can sort of agree with, file managers on android are a whole new thing when your used to win-mob, maybe try linda file manager or astro its just a getting used to process... or we can swap ! ))
=====PEACE=====
eldrid said:
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
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Noted, I guess I misread your post as "OMG Android ****, WM pwns". Sorry if I offended you.
I'm sure if people wanted to, they could make a Win Mobile UI for android... but in my opinion, Android has a better feature set and can be hacked more than Windows Mobile can.
Hey i wasn't offended. Any way i agree the win mob UI is ****ty, its just the way the platform works that makes me like it, its very much like the windows pc that we use and are so overly familiar with. May be i will eventually get used to android.
As far as hacking goes....well no one has been able to root the tattoo or the droid eris yet...but almost all win mob devices at least have a soft spl out there.
Again a phone is meant to satisfy an almost unique set of needs of each individual, so yes its all personal preference.
I love the market on the android though..tons of free applications and in future if i had to buy a phone i would always choose a win mob or android phone...had a bad experience with symbian and i simply don't like the i-phone.
True. The iPhone UI is too simple, Windows Mobile had me going around in circles wondering how to send files to another device, and Android is just a "little slice of heaven". Again, that's my two cents, but yes, if any hardcore WM hacker wants a challenge, try porting WM to the HTC Click.
normally such porting is very hard if not impossible as drivers for the tattoo are made to be used with android 1.6, writing drivers from scratch for windows is going to be a royal pain in the @$$ for most developers.
Hi.
I have a HTC TyTN II and would love to nail down what software I should use, and if any of you pros could help me out I would really appreciate it.
My goal is to run the latest [stable/fast] Windows mobile 6.5 release with the highest functioning Android build on top.
From what i've seen my choice is this ROM: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618767 - ahmedfikry wm6.5 light rom v28217
From the thread it seems there aren't any glaring bugs. This is the latest WM build correct? What is the difference between the 23XXX and 28XXX branches of WM 6.5?
I notice it's a 'light' build which is fine - can you suggest any 'must have' or 'replacement' apps that would improve usability? EG; TouchFLO, a utility to access more settings, a replacement browser[Skyfire/Opera], a utility that automatically closes open programs, program to save battery life - anything like that - I want to avoid 'bloat' like some 'loaded' ROMs have and not have useless duplicate programs, speed and usability is preferred over eye candy [the exception being any great games that run on kaiser ]
Any suggestion on a GPS software that does not require a data plan? I may be limited since i only have a 2GB SD card.
And as far as ANDROID goes I believe i'm looking at the DONUT builds since I want sleep/camera/wifi (don't care about bluetooth) - [is DONUT the build with the most functions?] - which is the 'fastest' / 'lightest' of the DONUT builds that still has the highest amount of features working?
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587116 - Hero blend?
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613049 - Tattoo?
I apologize in advance if any of my questions were very nooblike, but thank you for your patience!
Moved as not ROM Development.
Thank you for moving my thread to the appropriate subforum, I had posted in the ROM section as I had assumed that most cooks and those familiar with ROM quirks would be browsing that section and be able to answer the questions I had.
This ties in loosely with what I was going to ask, so I'll reply as well. I just inherited a TyTn II from work, needed constant recalibration so I don't know if it has a hardware or a software fault. Software is easier to fix, I just want to throw on a base package with a good app selection. My ideal is to keep it as fast as it can be.
As I understand it, the Kaiser/TyTn II doesn't have enough grunt to run WiMo 6.5 OR Android 2.1 at an acceptable level. Is this correct? From what I have seen, all the cool stuff doesn't yet work on Android, any version. If I wanted to develop for the project, then I'd put Android on, but I want my phone to "just work"... well, as well as a WiMo phone can.
I'm willing to accept WiMo 6.1, maybe with skinning, etc.. heck it's a free phone, just needs a battery, stylus, and maybe a new digitizer and interpreter board(whatever that bit is called). For me and what I do, I'd be after the following stuff:
video/audio player
SSH/PuTTy type shell access
RDP/VNC
GPS mapping, turn by turn stuff
Facebook/Twitter integration/applications
Don't know if any/all of this stuff is included in any of the baked ROM's out there... Have I just missed a nice table of each available ROM, and what it has to offer?
Does Win6.5 / Android really take more horse power?
If so I may consider the latest 'official' 6.1 ROM - but i was hoping that 6.5 actually would be optimized/improved for performance over 6.1.
Here is the deal with WM 6.5 and Android. The Kaiser is an old phone, 2+ years since release, but that translates to 10+ in phone years. There are no " official upgrades " nor will there be. The Kaiser was left behind by the Raphael and even more now by the Rhodium.
All the 6.5 and Android roms on this site are all " cooked " (hacked ) roms , cooked up by various chefs here at XDA. They have taken dumped roms from other phones and have taken out the crap and have added better features . They are faster by virtue of less carrier and HTC crap in them. But they are still " hacked " versions and need to be considered beta versions.
First your phone has to be unlocked and Spl'd. " Jailbroken " if that iis a more familiar term. And then reflashed with the rom of your choice.
Android will not run on the Kaiser, a hacked version must be run off of a partitioned SD card and on top of WM, so naturally it runs a a high resource cost and very tenuously at best.
There are some very nice, fast and stable roms out there to run after you have unlocked your phone, that blow the doors off of any " official " rom. Check the rom dev page for roms with features and looks that interest you. And check peoples signatures for what people are running.
I use stylez black v4 for my everyday rom and jjblasters 6.5 rom when I want to run a " hey look at me and my cool 6.5.3 rom running on a Kaiser " rom
My TyTN II is an unlocked version (from Taiwan) - and i've already experimented with flashing ROM's successfully - just looking what software to choose for my 'final build'
It was my impression that ANDROID didn't run on TOP of WM but was bootloaded from within WM and afterwards WM would be closed? Is this incorrect?
What is the difference between the 23XXX and 28XXX branches of WM 6.5?
Any popular or recommended 'lite' UC packs?
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My TyTN II is an unlocked version (from Taiwan) - and i've already experimented with flashing ROM's successfully - just looking what software to choose for my 'final build'
It was my impression that ANDROID didn't run on TOP of WM but was bootloaded from within WM and afterwards WM would be closed? Is this incorrect?
What is the difference between the 23XXX and 28XXX branches of WM 6.5?
Any popular or recommended 'lite' UC packs?
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Hey, I can confirm that the 1.6 build is stable and working wine, and yes it boots from the sd card. I have a class 4 card 2gb and it is quite smooth, but they do recommend a class 6 card. So for me there is no performance issue.
As to the wm 6.5 question: I have ahmedfikry's light rom with Opera added, and it is smooth, fast, nice and all that jazz. No worries, the difference between 23xxx and 28xxx i do not know.
Best of luck, much fun to be had.
aznphatb0i said:
It was my impression that ANDROID didn't run on TOP of WM but was bootloaded from within WM and afterwards WM would be closed? Is this incorrect?
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Regarding the abouve question - so I think I am going to 'SD' install Android Polymod 'on top' of ahmedfikry wm6.5 [unless you suggest another ROM meeting my needs] (I don't want to NAND Android until all the features I want are working flawlessly)
There is no speed difference in OS operation between SD an NAND install besides initial boot time correct?
How would you choose to switch between the OS when you have WinMo + an SD Android Installation?
And again any recommendations for a nice UCPack that won't sacrifice any speed / add duplicate functionality bloat?
I've been doing nothing but testing different roms and androids for my Kaiser for the past few days.
Ive also tried both SD and NAND install of Android (polymod).
But I must say that it runs much faster on NAND than SD. (Dunno if my SD card is just slow or not. 4 gb.)
Right now I am using HyperDragon 6.5, Im quite impressed by it.
(This is for all android builds I could find: )
But I do indeed enjoy Android more, but I got some big problems with it.
The battery was drained so much quicker + didn't show real battery status.
And I had various luck dialing. Sometimes it just wouldn't work, which was why I changed back to Winmo.
I haven't tested polymod 2.1d on sd, but its 2x faster with polymod 2.1d on nand than polymod 2.1g on SD.
The one who performed best was Warm Donut, but lacked some stuff.
The battery time was about the same with power savings on. Poor.
Lacking the ability to dial with Android made me change, but I enjoy the OS more than WinMo.
My next phone will be with Android, but thats going to take some time.
hello aznphatb0i
thanks for your message
Kaiser can run wm 6.5 great after being "unlocked" to flash cooked roms
my roms here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618767
i keep cooking the newest & update the links there
are the newest from COM 5 branch with finger friendly user interface (larger bottom bar with start flag on bottom left)
latest now is 23563
there are other COM branchs out there, but i do not cook them, some cause bugs..others from COM2 are new with small bottom bar (older look) but i do not cook them because i like the interface of COM 5 better
My roms are "light" to be fastest & allow most free space.. all additional applications to be added by cabs according to user prefernce
all the links for the cabs & what they do are in the first post in my thread
as for GPS, i use TOM TOM & iGo 8 ...both run fine & loaded on 2 GB card
I do not have much to say about Android, i like windows OS...when Andriod is perfected later I may consider looking into it
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hello i have a question...the only two options we have for the kaiser is windows mobile and Android or we can flash it to something else?i bought this cell phone here in greece for 750 euro when it first came out but it's laggy!and i mean really laggy...i tried almost all the roms available but in the end the fastest was the factory one so i came back to it...i was hoping that Android (like every linux system)would run much faster than windows mobile but i had no luck either and the camera-bluetooth issue really annoys me...so is there a way to make this phone fast?either changing the o.s or i don't know maybe another way?i see other htc's like HD2 and Htc Touch II and they are so fast with the menus and everything...not to mention the iphone...jesus christ i press the messages button and it takes about 3 seconds to open the menu and another three seconds to let me start typing...also when i start typing the text start to show after i finished a whole sentence and sometimes is corrupt (characters missing)...anyone else experiencing the same issues?is there something to be done or i just have to get another phone?last i forgot to mention that i used Android with the haret method and not the full flash.is it a big difference?to me it's the same or worse from windows mobile...thanks!
anyone?come on 120 views and 0 reply?
Windows Mobile and Android are the only options. Android is a ported version for the Kaiser and will only run on top of WM. It will never be as good as or as fast as a version running natively because no version was ever made to run on the Kaiser. So for now and in the near ( and far ) future, it is what it is, a slower ported version.
I can't agree with you on the laggyness of the Kaiser or of " all " the custom roms. I have used many and find them at least as fast as stock and in most cases ( due to the lack of carrier bloatware ) much faster.
Are you seriously comparing a 2+ year old phone ( Kaiser ) with a 400Mhz processor and 128Mb of ram with HTC's current flagship model ( HD2 ) with a 1Ghz snapdragon processor and 448 Mb of ram. Gee I wonder why it is faster
2+ years ago, the iPhone didn't even have 3G. You need to compare Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges. If you want a blazingly fast . state of the art phone, don't buy a 2+ model year old phone.
For now, try flashing a lite or naked rom. Add only the apps that you want. Get and use a good task manager so that you can easily kill all background tasks and apps that are not being used. Get " Cleartemp " and "Clean Ram"
to clean out unwanted left over files and use KaiserTweaks or Advanced Configuration to tweak the performance. You will feel like you have a new ( 2 year old ) phone.
thanks for the advice...any chance of overclocking the phone?
dukeofdream said:
thanks for the advice...any chance of overclocking the phone?
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No you can't overclock the Qualcomm MSM7200.
denco7 said:
Windows Mobile and Android are the only options. Android is a ported version for the Kaiser and will only run on top of WM.
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I beg to differ:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634782
Well if you are so good at searching, why don't you just search for the answers you need. They are out there and apparently all you have to do is look for them.
thodge21 said:
I beg to differ:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634782
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I stand corrected, it is tough to keep up on new versions of things you care nothing about. Apparently last month they came out with a version that erases WM and will run from NAND.
Still no Camera, still no Bluetooth, still no Flash,Java or YouTube.
Can't run WM apps, think you are limited on what Android apps can be run. Version still a bit wonky and requires a lot of user input to setup and get working properly, but hey, you get to say that you have Android running on your Tilt.
Sorry if this has already been addressed, I searched but couldn't find a post on it. The only way I currently know of running XDAndroid on my Diamond is to run it with Haret. Unfortunately, I pretty much have to keep my phone plugged into a wall somewhere, because I get about 1 or 2 hours of battery life, and that's it! Is there a way to flash XDAndroid to the phone itself, so that's the only OS on the phone? I'd be happy to completely ditch WinMo at this point.
Thanks!
Thinking about doing this myself, but my diamond shares the same battery life as well. Would installing it as the main OS even help with this issue? Has a fix been found for the battery in XDAndroid?
I am a n00b to XDAndroid, so sorry for my n00bieness, lol.
WM is Useless
I also would like to know if it is possible to do a full flash to android. Android is stable enough that i am prepared to take it on full time.
Would also like to know this, just using android would be great!
NAND support is not high on the to-do list. They finally came up with ext2 support as of 6/12, but it is not yet ready for widespread use. Also, hw3d acceleration requires you to first boot into WM and run Sense or another 3D app for initialization.
The main problem from what I've read is that since the hardware was not tailored to Android, a lot of the low-level stuff relies on WM initializing the hardware before haret takes over. If someone wants to cook up a bare-bones ROM that gets WM up to a point so that Haret can autostart, like someone did this for the Touch GSM, that's as close to "Android-only" as it can get at this point in time.
-- Starfox
Android on Diamond...
Hi guy,
Don't think Android will work perfectly at this time. It still building ! It's why there are no ROMs yet: it's easier to update the system from SD card (not in read only mode)
But we are lucky because of XDA
The best way for Diamond is to install the CAB from this post :
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5420781#post5420781
With this, you only have to run the XDAndroid shortcut in your start menu
This release allows you to run Android in overclocked mode ! 650mhz instead of 500mhz
Just replace /internal storage/Startup.txt file by /internal storage/devices/diamond-overclocked/startup.txt
You can also add a dual boot manager :
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792&highlight=xdandroid+diamond
Verry usefull to auto boot your favorite system