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Is It OVER ???

hi guys, i am very much happy to see that there is so much of activity going on to strip down tattoo & install whatever ROM we want... but its also sad that its not successful....
to me, its very cluttered in this forum, there are so many threads about getting an entrance to tattoo from various sides so that we can cook its ROM.
just tell us how far you developers are from obtaining success for your hardwork ???? we all cant wait to install 2.1 on our cute little tatoo....
guys, give us the good news ASAP..... please....

getting the 2.1 on ur tattoo is no big deal, HTC most probably will release it sooner or later. the real challenge here is gaining root access to the tattoo in order to install some really useful applications. so far all paths that devs have tried have met roadblocks, hopefully some day an S-Off SPL will be made or acquired from somewhere which should help.

also i found this http://www.androlib.com/android.application.uk-co-neilandtheresa-instantroot2-qAmj.aspx i don't know how it works, nor do i know if it will work on the tattoo if some devs here could look into it and explain how it works and whether it will on the tattoo(considering that they haven't found a loophole in the current kernel yet) i guess it would be great.

is it so difficult to know how tattoo works & what all its loop holes are even after releasing source code ??? i must really appreciate the hard work of those guys who did bring out this tattoo... hats of to you guys... you have really made this little wizard a hard to crack one.... we all must appreciate...
does anyone here knows how to install 2.1 on my tattoo ??? i am more than happy if i know the steps to update to 2.1. i dont want to root this tattoo if it seems so difficult to do it... why crack our head for almost impossible thing ???
anyway, may be cyanogen has not developed any interest in developing custom ROMs for tatto... it looks strange to me either...
may be some high end hacker / tech freak who knows in & out of linux must lead us to the victory path. i dont know when that day comes.... waiting for that to happen ASAP with fingers crossed.....

manuvaidya said:
is it so difficult to know how tattoo works & what all its loop holes are even after releasing source code ???
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Simply yes. Having the sourcecode doesn't automaticaly mean it is easier to crack a system (that would be bad for Linux as a server operating system since it is opensource...)
manuvaidya said:
does anyone here knows how to install 2.1 on my tattoo ??? i am more than happy if i know the steps to update to 2.1. i dont want to root this tattoo if it seems so difficult to do it... why crack our head for almost impossible thing ???
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It actually looks like the tattoo has got a very clever security system that makes it impossible to flash roms on it that aren't officially signed by HTC. May be we will never be able to crack this wall. Beeing able to root the Tattoo might be the only option to flash custom roms on the tattoo in the future.
manuvaidya said:
anyway, may be cyanogen has not developed any interest in developing custom ROMs for tatto... it looks strange to me either...
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There is a big interest and I hope to see cyanogen on tattoo one day, but as you already read it looks like custom flashing depends on rooting. Might be that we will see 2.1 on tattoo in 2 weeks or never. An unsatisfying situation, I know!
manuvaidya said:
may be some high end hacker / tech freak who knows in & out of linux must lead us to the victory path. i dont know when that day comes.... waiting for that to happen ASAP with fingers crossed.....
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Some of them are even here but the combination of much work to be done and less time means all of you have to wait. And Linux was never ment to be a crackable system... ;-)
But crossing fingers is always a good idea.
Bastian

thanks for ur answers.... we are all in the same boat i guess....
but i got one question for you, how could the google nexus be rooted before its official launch ??? it is also android phone which means linux back bone suport it has got.... so we all know that tattoo got released much before the nexus. by rules, nexus should have tough security system & should have shown better resistance towards hacking, but its not the case anymore....
but why tattoo only is like that ... means so adamant to reverse engineering ??? i simply hate that... being free for all & open source, why in the hell you restrict the hardware/software options & make it difficult for all ?? anyway, we will pay for the applications which we like to use & moreover apss are not that expensive??? even then why do you do so ???
i am in the mood of selling my tattoo & getting either hero or nexus.... this is so rediculous.... definitely, may be because its cheap people are not putting enough hard work or not at all showing any interest in making this little nerd dance to our tunes.... this is so pathetic.... i hate this device..... i am selling it ASAP....

Heya.
The Nexus is open because Google decided so. It wasn't "hacked". All you have to do is use fastboot to unlock the device and then you can flash whatever you wish to it. The Tattoo doesn't have this option, like many devices before and after it, so we need to crack it, to root it and then we'll be able to flash whatever we wish to it. I'm 100% sure that the Tattoo will be rooted, maybe not today or tomorrow (and again, who knows) ?
I suggest you do what I did: enumerate why you need root or custom roms on this device. Is it really that important ? How long are you ready to wait for them ? If you need root and custom roms right now then my advice would be to sell your Tattoo and get a Nexus. If you can wait a little longer then let's see what's around the corner
Me, personally, I love the design of the Tattoo. Preety small and powerfull. My better half as a Hero but I still prefer the Tattoo. If I can get a custom rom on it, that would be interesting. If I can get root so I can mess with it, that would be very cool. If I can help other people to get root on it, that would make my day.
Regards,
mf3

I have only recently got my Tattoo and at the moment I am happy with it being debranded from Orange. I've not really played with it at all yet, so need to see what apps I need to put on it. Cooked roms would obviously be a bonus but happy so far.

People are working around the clock on rooting the HTC Tattoo. But, these hackers also have a real life too. Therefore, they can't spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year hacking full-time, they would need to eat, sleep, walk, run, swim and the like.
People need to understand this. No matter how hard it is, we'll succeed.
Personally, I love the HTC Tattoo. It's the best phone I ever had. Seeing a CyanogenMod port for the Tattoo once rooted would be epic. I'll be cooking ROMs when mine's rooted.
We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day. Sit back from the computer. Read our hacking stories in other threads. Absorb the knowledge others are sharing. Test out our exploits. Give your two cents on the handset. Give feedback. Enjoy the community.
Without people like the ones that are now in the Tattoo scene, the Tattoo would be dead in the water. Unloved and unwanted. IMO, I brought this because I thought the Dream was bulky and the Magic was limited. I was thinking of getting a Hero, but now, Tattoo is where I'll stay.
I hope what I said will encourage others to wait before they ask "IS IT OVER?". It's not, unless we raise the white flag.

Yea, I quote everything. There are lot of people working for us... testing and testing spending time and money (some people bought the tattoo just to root it) just to give us the chance to see something new on our cute little but powerfull device.
They are diehard and they don't give up if they couldnt root the tattoo... they continue to work on it...
so.... I think the best way is to give em help and another important thing is to say....
...oh thank you guys.... your work is really appreciated...
I think its the best way to encourage them !

ok, i will wait.... sorry if i have hurted anyone here... i saw several threads with different loop holes getting discovered every other day... hence i asked so.
please dont mis-understand me... i am also here to help you guys..... let me know what help i can offer here to help this little bomb to root....
i would be more than happy the day when it gets rooted just like many others.... hail tattoo.... hail the people who are working on it.... keep up the good work bros.... good luck..

iOS or Android Development

Which is better and more intrestiong iOS development or Android Development???

In what way?
Both are different forms of coding, however 2 separate languages

MacaronyMax said:
In what way?
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In having fun
MacaronyMax said:
Both are different forms of coding, however 2 separate languages
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I know but I develop nothing now so I want to start from the very beggining

This is an Android and Windows Phone forum. There's only a minority of people on here with iPhones or iPads, so I'd imagine a very small number of developers. You're gonna get a VERY biased point of view on here.
What programming have you done before now, and why do you want to program for either platform?

Archer said:
This is an Android and Windows Phone forum. There's only a minority of people on here with iPhones or iPads, so I'd imagine a very small number of developers. You're gonna get a VERY biased point of view on here.
What programming have you done before now, and why do you want to program for either platform?
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I Didn't try any language until now!!!

Gen1usw0rk said:
In having fun
I know but I develop nothing now so I want to start from the very beggining
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I guess you could say neither are fun, writing out hundreds of lines of code, It's up to you, I mean, Android is a growing OS, and if you can develop a quality app you have the potential for more users, and IOS also has a large user base, The are no 'thrills' that one has over the other, but if you want to develop for IOS you must be using a Mac with xcode installed, otherwise to develop android you need the SDK and eclipse which is available on most major OS's (Windows, Mac, Linux)

MacaronyMax said:
I guess you could say neither are fun, writing out hundreds of lines of code, It's up to you, I mean, Android is a growing OS, and if you can develop a quality app you have the potential for more users, and IOS also has a large user base, The are no 'thrills' that one has over the other, but if you want to develop for IOS you must be using a Mac with xcode installed, otherwise to develop android you need the SDK and eclipse which is available on most major OS's (Windows, Mac, Linux)
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OK!! in your experience how can I start developing android from the very beggining????

Gen1usw0rk said:
I Didn't try any language until now!!!
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The main question you should be asking then, is weather you want to learn Objective C or Java, Both can be used for non iOS/android things and one day you might want to try something PC based using one of the languages you learn
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Gen1usw0rk said:
OK!! in your experience how can I start developing android from the very beggining????
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Either a course in college, Orrr, online tutorials, I reccoment checking out thenewboston and mybringback for video tut's both are useful

Gen1usw0rk said:
OK!! in your experience how can I start developing android from the very beggining????
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Honestly not being funny here. Get a dummies guide, since you're starting from scratch. It's a MASSIVE field that you're entering and there's years and years worth of learning ahead of you, if you want to be any good. This isn't gonna happen overnight, and it won't happen easily.

The main question you should be asking then, is weather you want to learn Objective C or Java, Both can be used for non iOS/android things and one day you might want to try something PC based using one of the languages you learn
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Which is more powerful in your opinion????

Archer said:
Honestly not being funny here. Get a dummies guide, since you're starting from scratch. It's a MASSIVE field that you're entering and there's years and years worth of learning ahead of you, if you want to be any good. This isn't gonna happen overnight, and it won't happen easily.
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I already have android development for dummies but it tells you to buy xml and java books??

Gen1usw0rk said:
I already have android development for dummies but it tells you to buy xml and java books??
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If it's telling you to get a Java book then it's not a very good "Android for dummies" book. Xml is very straight forward and there's more than enough online to sort you out with that. It's only a way of structuring data, anyway.
The only real answer to your question is another question. What platform do you want to develop on?
The language and platform are irrelevant to the amount of fun or anguish that you will face while developing software.

Archer said:
If it's telling you to get a Java book then it's not a very good "Android for dummies" book. Xml is very straight forward and there's more than enough online to sort you out with that. It's only a way of structuring data, anyway.
The only real answer to your question is another question. What platform do you want to develop on?
The language and platform are irrelevant to the amount of fun or anguish that you will face while developing software.
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I think I want to develop android!!

Gen1usw0rk said:
Which is more powerful in your opinion????
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I don't know much about Objective C but afaik (Someone correct me? ) it's based on C#/C++ so picking up those languages could be easier, Java can be used in Applets on the web, PC programs and games (eg. Minecraft) but, I think the same can be done with C++
And the reason the Dummy book told you to get the others is because the Android one is telling you how to use the java you should already know, but don't so that it can be more in detail, also I would say maybe skimp the xml one as it's mainly fairly simple in android as far as my experience is with it anyway (not much))

MacaronyMax said:
I don't know much about Objective C but afaik (Someone correct me? ) it's based on C#/C++ so picking up those languages could be easier, Java can be used in Applets on the web, PC programs and games (eg. Minecraft) but, I think the same can be done with C++
And the reason the Dummy book told you to get the others is because the Android one is telling you how to use the java you should already know, but don't so that it can be more in detail, also I would say maybe skimp the xml one as it's mainly fairly simple in android as far as my experience is with it anyway (not much))
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What language did you really tried to develop???

AppReal said:
IMO developing android is easier because almost all tools are free if you've got PC. To develop ios you should have Mac what is additional cost.
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I know that mac costs money
But I got a mac and xCode became free now!!!

Gen1usw0rk said:
What language did you really tried to develop???
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I've tried a lil bit of many All extremely basic level so I have no idea what they're like at a more complicated level
But I have tried both Objective C and Android, I preffered the structure of the objective C and imo it looks more clean when coding, but Java I got further with

MacaronyMax said:
I don't know much about Objective C but afaik (Someone correct me? ) it's based on C#/C++ so picking up those languages could be easier, Java can be used in Applets on the web, PC programs and games (eg. Minecraft) but, I think the same can be done with C++
And the reason the Dummy book told you to get the others is because the Android one is telling you how to use the java you should already know, but don't so that it can be more in detail, also I would say maybe skimp the xml one as it's mainly fairly simple in android as far as my experience is with it anyway (not much))
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Nearly, but the wrong way round. C begets C++ begets C#. C++ is the language of choice for most developers that want to communicate directly with hardware. Other languages tend to actually be writting in C or C++ and therefore only have wrappers for the really low-level functions.
But yeah, any C based language or Java can be used to develop apps on PC, Linux, Mac, so they're both good ways to go. Java for Android means learning Java as well as the Android framework, whereas C for iPhone means learning C and the iPhone framework. Both come with their benefits and drawbacks, but personally I think Java is easier to learn than C, purely because it's not as deep. Saying that though, I've never looked at objective C or the iPhone framework. I just know C/C++ from old days.

I wanted to develop android first but when I read this I changed my mind and got spinning my mind!!!!xD

Gen1usw0rk said:
I wanted to develop android first but when I read this I changed my mind and got spinning my mind!!!!xD
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Lol - that's some trolling going on right there! Very misleading article too.

How to brew up an android rom for htc hd7

Hello all! I jump from phone to phone when ever I can catch a broken one to fix for nearly free. I recently ran into an HTC HD 7 and am not really vibing to the windows mobile 7, and from what I read there is not currently a pre made rom available for installing android on this device. I am pretty technologically advanced and feel confident given the right direction on how to accomplish this I would be capable of creating one. I have read a lot of information but am some what lost mainly because of some of the lingo terminology, being that I haven't hacked/developed outside of the ios platform. I can program in just about any c based language. Any one got ne thing that can help me out here? If I build one how would I install it or go about uploading it to the device? Thanks in advance for any replies I do greatly appreciate all your time! I apologize about the noobness like I said ios is whats been available to me for the past few years, and now I want android like a kid wants candy!!!

rbrownvalid said:
Hello all! I jump from phone to phone when ever I can catch a broken one to fix for nearly free. I recently ran into an HTC HD 7 and am not really vibing to the windows mobile 7, and from what I read there is not currently a pre made rom available for installing android on this device. I am pretty technologically advanced and feel confident given the right direction on how to accomplish this I would be capable of creating one. I have read a lot of information but am some what lost mainly because of some of the lingo terminology, being that I haven't hacked/developed outside of the ios platform. I can program in just about any c based language. Any one got ne thing that can help me out here? If I build one how would I install it or go about uploading it to the device? Thanks in advance for any replies I do greatly appreciate all your time! I apologize about the noobness like I said ios is whats been available to me for the past few years, and now I want android like a kid wants candy!!!
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Developers/programmers have been trying to figure out how to dual boot the HD7 (like the HD2) since it came out. The main problem seems to be how WP7 is compiled .NET and C#. WP7 securitys still aren't fully unlocked.
Take a look at the Project Haret thread, they seem to be making some progress at it and if you have the know how, maybe you can contribute.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377

xdrc45 said:
Developers/programmers have been trying to figure out how to dual boot the HD7 (like the HD2) since it came out. The main problem seems to be how WP7 is compiled .NET and C#. WP7 securitys still aren't fully unlocked.
Take a look at the Project Haret thread, they seem to be making some progress at it and if you have the know how, maybe you can contribute.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377
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Thanks for the heads up, appreciate the reply, btw where is the thanks button? sorry this is my second post here. I started to do some research into it. I believe the answer is in the coredll.dll file which may be stating the obvious. I think the way to go about accessing this or at least what I am going to try is an attempt to gain root access with my device tethered to my comp from terminal.

rbrownvalid said:
Thanks for the heads up, appreciate the reply, btw where is the thanks button? sorry this is my second post here. I started to do some research into it. I believe the answer is in the coredll.dll file which may be stating the obvious. I think the way to go about accessing this or at least what I am going to try is an attempt to gain root access with my device tethered to my comp from terminal.
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Your welcome! I've read through the whole Project Haret thread and there is alot of information, (some way to complicated for me) trial and error and it looks like as of recent there has been some good progress towards getting Haret to perform and (hopefully) run kernel mode and actually boot the kernel. You might be right, give it a shot or maybe put it on the thread and see what kind of feed back you get on it!
Is your device unlocked yet so that you can gain access to it and try it out?
Personally I would love to see the HD7 dual boot WP7 and Android. Don't get me wrong... I thoroughly enjoy WP7 and love my HD7it's very smooth, fast, stable and not once has it crashed on me. I believe that it would bring a longer life experience to the device and make it that much more versatile, especially since we're nearing the end of official support.
The thanks button should be there now, under the posts.

xdrc45 said:
Your welcome! I've read through the whole Project Haret thread and there is alot of information, (some way to complicated for me) trial and error and it looks like as of recent there has been some good progress towards getting Haret to perform and (hopefully) run kernel mode and actually boot the kernel. You might be right, give it a shot or maybe put it on the thread and see what kind of feed back you get on it!
Is your device unlocked yet so that you can gain access to it and try it out?
Personally I would love to see the HD7 dual boot WP7 and Android. Don't get me wrong... I thoroughly enjoy WP7 and love my HD7it's very smooth, fast, stable and not once has it crashed on me. I believe that it would bring a longer life experience to the device and make it that much more versatile, especially since we're nearing the end of official support.
The thanks button should be there now, under the posts.
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Ok so I realize I might sound like an idiot considering everything I said can be found within the haret documentation. I originally read something found on google with inaccurate information after you told me about the project, come to find out the information I read was in no way affiliated with the the actual project haha. Forgive my stupidy, I began to read and follow along the documaton for it at htc-linux.org, the only thing I am having issue with is obtaining haretconsole to explore the device. The link on the documentation I believe no longer exists, and I can't find a source anywhere! This is pretty good stuff though thanks for linking me up with it! Have you installed the development tools or haretconsole on a linux OS by chance? I was successful with the developement tools, just need to figure out this haretconsole problem. BTW which desktop OS do you prefer?
Sadly I can't tell if my device is unlocked yet haha. I work at a university doing LAN Administration currently and used my .edu e-mail to register as a developer. I then registered my device but don't see a single difference or maybe I just am doing something wrong. How do you suggest going about that(unlocking it that is, I don't care about it being official, just figured official would be easlier)? Also for the iPhone there is a desktop application which allows you to access the filesystem called iFunBox, is there anything similar for the wp7?
I would just love android lol, I like the HTC HD7 and have always been a fan of HTC products, It definately is pretty smooth and compared to my previous device a 3gs it's lightening fast! 3g isn't supported with the 3gs on t-mobile either. My biggest issue with wp7 is the fact it doesn't do anything I want to be done in a device, I use my mobile browser ALOT and I have never seen a browser period with this many bugs, I installed safari but it's not even the same lol! For the most part I strongly strongly dislike anything related to microsoft, but unfortunately I have to work with the windows platform quite often because of my job. There just such a dirty/shady/grimmy company period, I saw a commercial yesterday advertising bing where they claimed 2 out of three people choose bing over google in a blind study............how can they advertise that when they stole googles code! lol. Also it was a pretty dirty business move of microsoft to do what your talking about with the wp8. They claim there going to continue support on 7 but we both know they all say that and do put the effort towards the legacy system for a short period of time before cutting it. Screwing Nokia out of major growth potential within the U.S. while going back on the promise made to them regarding free upgrades to 8 for 7 devices. I think they feel like there invincible just because they currently run the desktop OS market share. I think their will likely be a major change in the preferred OS within the next 10 years, just because I work in an 30,000 user enterprise that refuses to upgrade their liscensing with microsoft because of windows 8's inability to meet our needs.
Sorry if this message way to long haha

rbrownvalid said:
Ok so I realize I might sound like an idiot considering everything I said can be found within the haret documentation. I originally read something found on google with inaccurate information after you told me about the project, come to find out the information I read was in no way affiliated with the the actual project haha. Forgive my stupidy, I began to read and follow along the documaton for it at htc-linux.org, the only thing I am having issue with is obtaining haretconsole to explore the device. The link on the documentation I believe no longer exists, and I can't find a source anywhere! This is pretty good stuff though thanks for linking me up with it! Have you installed the development tools or haretconsole on a linux OS by chance? I was successful with the developement tools, just need to figure out this haretconsole problem. BTW which desktop OS do you prefer?
Sadly I can't tell if my device is unlocked yet haha. I work at a university doing LAN Administration currently and used my .edu e-mail to register as a developer. I then registered my device but don't see a single difference or maybe I just am doing something wrong. How do you suggest going about that(unlocking it that is, I don't care about it being official, just figured official would be easlier)? Also for the iPhone there is a desktop application which allows you to access the filesystem called iFunBox, is there anything similar for the wp7?
I would just love android lol, I like the HTC HD7 and have always been a fan of HTC products, It definately is pretty smooth and compared to my previous device a 3gs it's lightening fast! 3g isn't supported with the 3gs on t-mobile either. My biggest issue with wp7 is the fact it doesn't do anything I want to be done in a device, I use my mobile browser ALOT and I have never seen a browser period with this many bugs, I installed safari but it's not even the same lol! For the most part I strongly strongly dislike anything related to microsoft, but unfortunately I have to work with the windows platform quite often because of my job. There just such a dirty/shady/grimmy company period, I saw a commercial yesterday advertising bing where they claimed 2 out of three people choose bing over google in a blind study............how can they advertise that when they stole googles code! lol. Also it was a pretty dirty business move of microsoft to do what your talking about with the wp8. They claim there going to continue support on 7 but we both know they all say that and do put the effort towards the legacy system for a short period of time before cutting it. Screwing Nokia out of major growth potential within the U.S. while going back on the promise made to them regarding free upgrades to 8 for 7 devices. I think they feel like there invincible just because they currently run the desktop OS market share. I think their will likely be a major change in the preferred OS within the next 10 years, just because I work in an 30,000 user enterprise that refuses to upgrade their liscensing with microsoft because of windows 8's inability to meet our needs.
Sorry if this message way to long haha
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Sorry its taken me so long to get back with you... Been crazy busy!
Unfortunetly I only have Windows OS, PC and Laptop. Funny enough though, I just got my laptop back from the shop a couple weeks ago and I had to have the harddrive replaced. Last week my PC got the BSOD (blue screen of death) and I had to completly wipe and restore it.
My next computer will be a Linux OS forsure. I wish I had one currently to install Haret and play around with it!
The student registration is limited and you can only sideload a max of 3 unasigned apps. You would be better off to fully unlock your device and install a custom rom, this will give you more options to sideload as many unasighned apps as you want in the form of XAP's through IE. Access to the registry/file system and to apply hack and tweaks. you can then familurize yourself with the OS and file system.
I can help walk you through the unlock process, it's pretty easy.
Go to settings, about, more info. post back all the information from that screen. Enter your device into bootloader mode - Power device off, hold down the volume down button and power the device back on, while continuing to hold down the volume down button, this will bring you into BL mode a tri-colored screen. Post back the information from that screen also.We can go from there. The proccess to unlock it basicially is to downgrade the SPL to 3.xxx or lower to install RSPL/HSPL wich will allow flashing of a custom rom.
My IE works excellent. It might be due to what build version that your device is running on. Either way once we get it unlocked there's custom roms running on Tango 8779 build with nice features and the device runs buttery smooth. there's also more mobile browsers available to install once it's unlocked, Opera Mobile,UC browser and a bunch more. There's all kinds of XAP's you can install to cusromize the device and enhance the user experience.
Totaly agree with you on the Android development for WP7 and the above statement regarding MS
Check out this link for Haret -
http://www.pedersen-web.com/linuxhandheld/index.php?h=2&p=11

Good Luck
I can't wait to install android to my HD7

rbrownvalid said:
Hello all! I jump from phone to phone when ever I can catch a broken one to fix for nearly free. I recently ran into an HTC HD 7 and am not really vibing to the windows mobile 7, and from what I read there is not currently a pre made rom available for installing android on this device. I am pretty technologically advanced and feel confident given the right direction on how to accomplish this I would be capable of creating one. I have read a lot of information but am some what lost mainly because of some of the lingo terminology, being that I haven't hacked/developed outside of the ios platform. I can program in just about any c based language. Any one got ne thing that can help me out here? If I build one how would I install it or go about uploading it to the device? Thanks in advance for any replies I do greatly appreciate all your time! I apologize about the noobness like I said ios is whats been available to me for the past few years, and now I want android like a kid wants candy!!!
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i've htc hd7
i want to install android OS on it please help me

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Need to learn the android development... From basics....

Hi,
First of all thank you so much for starting a forum for learning the Android Development.
I am very much interested in learning android, and i have gone through the official android developers site, and downloaded the SDK.
But i am stuck there, coz i am very new to the Linux/Unix part. I would like to learn more about that, but i do not want to learn programming unless it's necessary. I know it will take a long long time to learn that. So can anyone help me with the app development or fixing/understanding ROM/Kernels.
Sorry if i am being too much jumpy in the starting itself, It's because i do not know where/how to start.
Thanks,
Les

lesfauves said:
Hi,
First of all thank you so much for starting a forum for learning the Android Development.
I am very much interested in learning android, and i have gone through the official android developers site, and downloaded the SDK.
But i am stuck there, coz i am very new to the Linux/Unix part. I would like to learn more about that, but i do not want to learn programming unless it's necessary. I know it will take a long long time to learn that. So can anyone help me with the app development or fixing/understanding ROM/Kernels.
Sorry if i am being too much jumpy in the starting itself, It's because i do not know where/how to start.
Thanks,
Les
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Unfortunately without learning programming, you will find it difficult to do any app development and kernel understanding or fixing.
Programming is key to both of these. So although you don't want to, have a look at some of the resources out there on how to learn to program.
Apps are written in java, kernel code is mostly C.
Maybe this helps? I think failing to start by learning to program will just leave you disappointed.

If it's okay, I'd like to suggest something.
@lesfauves
For kernel development, you really need to learn C, C+, C++ etc. C is the most important language here. However if you're gonna build vanilla kernels (with no modifications whatsoever), a simple guide should do it. Modifying source code requires knowledge of C (and maybe some other languages) as pulser_g2 has said.
For app development, you need to know the basics of Java. It's a must. Otherwise you'll end up getting nowhere.
For ROMs, you need to have a good understanding of both Java and C (and some other languages).
You can learn these online. I'm learning C myself. It's really easy.
Hope I helped.
sgt. meow

I too want to learn android development, just dont know where to start. Been waiting for xda university to open up for this very purpose. now I went through the site and still have a couple questions. I see that learning C is fundamental, where would you guys suggest would be the best place to learn? i was hoping for something like codeacademy, they dont have C though. Also, which distribution of linux would you guys suggest to install?

If you just want to dive in, and have fun creating small Android apps, learning Android concepts as you go, I highly recommend MIT App Inventor (AI): http://appinventor.mit.edu/ . It used to be Google AI but Google wanted to focus on other things.
I have decades of experience in Unix & Linux low level mostly C software development, but was new to Android & Java in Feb. 2011. App Inventor was a great intro to Android concepts, but it seems almost impossible to make commercial quality apps of any size with it.
So after a few months I dove into Java with the Android SDK & the concepts I learned with AI transferred well.
If you want to run Linux on your PC, which is a great way to learn Linux in general, Ubuntu remains quite popular, but a lot of us techy types have moved to Mint. I'm still on Ubuntu but will likely try Mint at some point.
The original and seminal book on C language is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language . It was a great intro for me back in the 1980's. But many C++ people will tell you learning C first may mess you up for C++. I never really caught on to C++ and don't care now as Java is IMO better.
This is the seminal book for C++: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C++_Programming_Language
In general I think C is better for kernel and low level Android NDK stuff; C is the language of the kernel. For higher level Java of course, using Eclipse as an IDE since it still is the most widely used IDE I think.

Any good sites or tutorials for learning Linux????????????/

l0lh4rd said:
Any good sites or tutorials for learning Linux????????????/
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http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/

sgt. meow said:
If it's okay, I'd like to suggest something.
@lesfauves
For kernel development, you really need to learn C, C+, C++ etc. C is the most important language here. However if you're gonna build vanilla kernels (with no modifications whatsoever), a simple guide should do it. Modifying source code requires knowledge of C (and maybe some other languages) as pulser_g2 has said.
For app development, you need to know the basics of Java. It's a must. Otherwise you'll end up getting nowhere.
For ROMs, you need to have a good understanding of both Java and C (and some other languages).
You can learn these online. I'm learning C myself. It's really easy.
Hope I helped.
sgt. meow
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I wanted to to help my phone community and my self of course...from where you can learn c online??i know my way with pc i make some roms from my community but i need to start learning to compile from source!!! share your links if you can thanks!!

Lynda.com
pikachukaki said:
I wanted to to help my phone community and my self of course...from where you can learn c online??i know my way with pc i make some roms from my community but i need to start learning to compile from source!!! share your links if you can thanks!!
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A great site that I use to learn with for web design and development is Lynda.com which has a good amount of C tutorials and learning. It isn't free but a subscription is worth the site. There is a huge amount of information, tutorials, and learning that can be done there.

Go look at my post in this forum section.! May help you
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Thats great but remember that i study pc hardware and i dont have none of programming knowlage at all!!!i once try to learn basic but i get bored cause i dont needed then

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Thats great but remember that i study pc hardware and i dont have none of programming knowlage at all!!!i once try to learn basic but i get bored cause i dont needed then
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Aaaaaah gotcha
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Search for newboston.org in Google it has tutorial + forums for every language + android app development too must see website for me! Enjoy development
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Ok lets say i want to learn how to make a device tree for my device cause noone make it...then compile aosp or cm and make it a usable rom for a device...to go to a bookstore to buy a book in my language to remove the possibility of wrong learning...what book to buy??java, c , c++??

This is a great idea, and as i have just started learning C at university (And Java next year woo!) i will be visiting this alot for reference and tutorials. I still find C hard to get grips with but i do have a basic understanding of it. I also like messing around with kernel's and stuff on android and really want to make my own ROM or kernel soon!
So thanks XDA and everyone involved in this !

pikachukaki said:
Ok lets say i want to learn how to make a device tree for my device cause noone make it...then compile aosp or cm and make it a usable rom for a device...to go to a bookstore to buy a book in my language to remove the possibility of wrong learning...what book to buy??java, c , c++??
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If you want to learn how to make a device tree check outthis guide, then when your ready to try compiling AOSP and Cyanogenmod check out this guide. If you want to learn to compile ROM's and then I would recommend a book on Linux and C for programming kernels such as C All-in-One Desk Reference. On the other hand if you want to program applications a good Java book is important and I would recommend Head First Java. Hope this clears things up, let me know if you still have questions.

shimp208 said:
If you want to learn how to make a device tree check outthis guide, then when your ready to try compiling AOSP and Cyanogenmod check out this guide. If you want to learn to compile ROM's and then I would recommend a book on Linux and C for programming kernels such as C All-in-One Desk Reference. On the other hand if you want to program applications a good Java book is important and I would recommend Head First Java. Hope this clears things up, let me know if you still have questions.
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My point is basically to learn how to create the device tree and then compile any rom i can and hope that i can use fixes from others and hints from others...im not really interesting of making an application!!

can read my guide here

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can read my guide here
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Please stop spamming your link across each thread. And tone down the MASSIVE text in the thread - it just looks unprofessional.

so, where do I start? C or C++?
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Lone dev looking for coding help

So i might not have the tag on here but i have done dev work (rootzwiki is where i used to dev.) and i have created a small little guide for the BSOD fix for our nexus 5's. Which is actually what brings me here today. Im looking for someone that has coding knowledge (not android persay but someone that is good with commands and cmd prompt.) im currently working on a project and ive got the base of it down i just am needing a bit of help for auto input. If ANYONE is willing to help please let me know. I dont want to post me code here as this project is a milestone for me as so far ive written it all by myself.
Thanks in advance.

What is BSOD?

Gene Poole said:
What is BSOD?
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Black Screen of Death. Its an issue i myself had and 1-3 others have had. Its very rare and only happened to me because i acidently flashed hells core (using the app from the playstore) and it flashed the nexus 4 kernel on my nexus 5 causing my device to not show anything on the screen NOR boot to either boot recovery OR the actual os.

wolfirotisha said:
So i might not have the tag on here but i have done dev work (rootzwiki is where i used to dev.) and i have created a small little guide for the BSOD fix for our nexus 5's. Which is actually what brings me here today. Im looking for someone that has coding knowledge (not android persay but someone that is good with commands and cmd prompt.) im currently working on a project and ive got the base of it down i just am needing a bit of help for auto input. If ANYONE is willing to help please let me know. I dont want to post me code here as this project is a milestone for me as so far ive written it all by myself.
Thanks in advance.
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Well... I know the fundamentals of programming and I have participated in a programming contest (I'm 18) and also I am quite good with automation cause I needed it for my projects.
Below you can see my work on a .bat file I've made to make easier my work on a homebrew PSP game.
https://github.com/Leajian/cspsp-nightly/blob/master/jge/Projects/cspsp/CSPSPdevTools-1.0.bat
The same goes with linux related automation, as you can see below here, I've created an (unfinished and buggy) menu script for android which is modular and unfortunately kinda slow and incompatible with some devices, cause by the time I was writing it I had no particular knowledge about programming. I was self-taught and I had been using goto methods. :silly:
https://github.com/Leajian/xMenu
I don't know what exactly you're looking for, please be more specific. I think I can help, but after 29/5/2015 because at that day my finals end.
EDIT: As long as your device has intact bootloader partition and it boots to it, you can always flash a nexus 5 kernel and/or a recovery image. It is suggested that you flash a factory image afterwards.

wolfirotisha said:
So i might not have the tag on here but i have done dev work (rootzwiki is where i used to dev.) and i have created a small little guide for the BSOD fix for our nexus 5's. Which is actually what brings me here today. Im looking for someone that has coding knowledge (not android persay but someone that is good with commands and cmd prompt.) im currently working on a project and ive got the base of it down i just am needing a bit of help for auto input. If ANYONE is willing to help please let me know. I dont want to post me code here as this project is a milestone for me as so far ive written it all by myself.
Thanks in advance.
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I can help u out depending on what ur looking for, I have experience in java, c++, c, c#, python, bash, html5 and php, lmk if I can be of assistance