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HD2 and WinMo 7

I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582123
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575940

UberScooter said:
I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott
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Hi Scott
Minor updates through windows update on the phone;
Re. Windows 7 nobody really knows if they will be able to upgrade to the official version. The hardware seems to be there so it depends on if HTC will release an updated Rom for it (assuming your provider has not put their own customised one on the phone in which case in which case you are reliant on them as the HTC Roms won't work.
On the other hand I am sure that after a little while you will be able to find a rom here that you can flash to if you want to and are brave enough to.

A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.

vangrieg said:
A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.

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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!

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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Yup it's the other side of the coin. They have the stability of platform implementation that WinMo lacks, but that stability leads to stagnation. Developers know 100% what the target platform will be (well maybe a little faster, an added feature here and there, but essentially a keyboardless portrait HVGA device) but it also means that the consumer will never have the option of one of the countless form factor options available on WinMo.
Stability vs. flexibility. Both have their pros and cons and you only get to pick one. Microsoft & Google have gone one way, Apple the other. It's good that we have the choice.

Indeed it is

Returned mine today.

Well after having my HD7 since launch I returned it today and went back to my HD2 running Android.
The last straw for me was using Youtube and seeing the lousy video playback..in a centered screen. WTF is that? Totally unacceptable in my book.
While I like the look of the UI, theres just something about it that got tiresome.
Real Cons for me were.
I really dislike IE.
Youtube.
Battery life.
No LED notifications.
Amount of animations to get something done.
No Google Maps.
Homescreen tiles. While pretty, because most tiles are the same color I found it confusing to quickly choose what I wanted.
Camera was a toss up. Some photos were great, some not.
I never got around to playing games on it because battery life was so bad.
Anyway you get the idea. I gave it a shot and I will be keeping an eye on it.
I hope it works out for all you others.

Good for you. I don't think you are set to be an early adopter anyway.
This OS is still in its infancy. So, I would say you guys should hold off on getting the WP7 until the next version.
I, for one LOVE this OS and I do not have any issues for the functions that I use this phone on a daily basis... Phone Call, Internet, Mails, Movies and Music. No issues what so every. I also use the camera, and if at all, thats the only only issue I have compared to the HD2. I think the camera should be improved a bit more.

Agreed
I do have to agree that the OS is still new and has some bugs to be worked out, but over all I really enjoy the HD7 and WP7. The OS is simple and for myself was ready for something a little simpler them the current OS systems out there. I have found it in some ways to be a blending of the Android and IPhone, but still remaining Windows. The camera is a little difficult and touchy to get good pics, but hey it's a phone.
I think in the months to come we will see updates from MS and they will adress some of the small issues. MS has invested alot money into the development of WP7, and feel and hope that MS will really put the resources needed to futher develope the firmware/software.

Sorry to hear that but hey it wasn't meant to be a fully loved OS by everybody.
Btw what are you going back to ? (or forward)
Personally, I am very satisfied with the OS so far and I am in a long run with Microsoft on this one. If other OSs aren't catching up in terms of speed (besides functionality) I doubt I will break away from WP7 any time soon. Me being more the music/browsing/e-mail type of guy it does perfectly what others haven't been able to reach yet.

i have to agree on some points. I do like the fact it's "speedy" but really dislike about camera (but that is not a OS issues but HTC's, i believe). considering the platform being only a few weeks (almost a month) old, it's got good start. Just as Nokia N900 when it first came out, there were issues. they will be address as time pass by. Microsoft just need a bit of support from all of us to really expand their market.
I think having Apple, Google and Microsoft in the mix will keep different inovation to come into the market.
i'm sorry for your experience but i guess no single solution will make everyone happy.

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Sorry to hear that but hey it wasn't meant to be a fully loved OS by everybody.
Btw what are you going back to ? (or forward)
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Going back to HD2 running Android.

harsaphes said:
Going back to HD2 running Android.
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would be interested to know what Android web browser has that WP7 IE does not?
speed is the same, rendering is the same, Android has a tendency to "block render" a bit more than IE on slow sites, overall same experience between the two.
Also, Youtube is an application for WP7, it is not part of WP7 so judging the OS based on a crappy app is not a fair evaluation of its capabilities.
I am usually streaming youtube vids from home while connected to my WIFI and quality is pretty decent, got a bit worse over slow 3G but don't see how it could better with Android.

guys its personal preference and if some one likes to RUN android on a machine which is not made for it.. i will rest my case....
why do u want to run android on a WM device when there are so many android device in the market...
all the best to u my friend.... and the only valid reason u had was the youtube app... which ic not even WP7 app... any way all the best..

I've considered returning my HD7 many times. What's really keeping me from returning my phone is the potential. The UI on WP7 is beautiful. If you guys try the Flux and the IMdB apps, you'll know what I mean.

I'm keeping mine. I actually love it. I had a first gen iPhone and loved it. This HD7 and WP7 is every bit as good as that iPhone and is better in numerous ways. To me, it feels like a luxurious high-end Lexus or Infiniti. I find it to be the absolute best phone ever created. Just purely gorgeous from every aspect, externally and internally. WP7 is a sweet piece of kit.
Too bad you are giving up on it. The next update will likely solve your concerns. I knew what would be *initially* lacking in WP7 and still find it pure bliss.

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I'm keeping mine. I actually love it. I had a first gen iPhone and loved it. This HD7 and WP7 is every bit as good as that iPhone and is better in numerous ways. To me, it feels like a luxurious high-end Lexus or Infiniti. I find it to be the absolute best phone ever created. Just purely gorgeous from every aspect, externally and internally. WP7 is a sweet piece of kit.
Too bad you are giving up on it. The next update will likely solve your concerns. I knew what would be *initially* lacking in WP7 and still find it pure bliss.
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+1. I'm willing to do without a few features for another month or so till the update, because this phone is fantastic. Once the updates starts taking care of more and more issues being one of the first WP7 (specifically HD7) owners will be so worth it.

I been from Nokia apple android and now the Hd7
So yeah I have had all of them Each has the goodies and the baddies
although I am more inclined towards android.. ( hope nokia ditches symbian and goes with their meego which is also linux based like android.. or just go with android )
WM7 and HD 7 is the lovable although i do agree they they to update the OS which I am hoping will be next year
Must admit thought that Microsoft has taken the best of both android and apple with WM7 so fingers crossed that the updates will sort us out

unlockMe said:
Also, Youtube is an application for WP7, it is not part of WP7 so judging the OS based on a crappy app is not a fair evaluation of its capabilities.
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I have never owned a recent phone that Youtube video doesnt play full screen.

truffle1234 said:
why do u want to run android on a WM device when there are so many android device in the market...
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Its just to hold me over till the Nexus S comes out. I have no problem with the HD2 running Android. The size is great. I also have the N1, but prefer this form factor. And it wasnt "just" youtube. It was many things.

harsaphes said:
Well after having my HD7 since launch I returned it today and went back to my HD2 running Android.
The last straw for me was using Youtube and seeing the lousy video playback..in a centered screen. WTF is that? Totally unacceptable in my book.
While I like the look of the UI, theres just something about it that got tiresome.
Real Cons for me were.
I really dislike IE.
Youtube.
Batter life.
No LED notifications.
Amount of animations to get something done.
No Google Maps.
Homescreen tiles. While pretty, because most tiles are the same color I found it confusing to quickly choose what I wanted.
Camera was a toss up. Some photos were great, some not.
I never got around to playing games on it because battery life was so bad.
Anyway you get the idea. I gave it a shot and I will be keeping an eye on it.
I hope it works out for all you others.
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I agree with you on many, but not all.
I took some pictures last night, and I have to say the button to use ( like a camera ) is the most annoying thing ever, the HD2 / I phone and I think many phone on screen touch button was the best, you tap it, it auto focuses and walla good pics, I took 15 pictures last night in a low light condition with flash, not one is clear, every pic came out blurry, then I realized its because i move the phone a tiny bit when attempting to press the worst button created for taking pictures.
I still have 10 days left before I can return mine, going to contemplate.

MartyLK said:
I'm keeping mine. I actually love it. I had a first gen iPhone and loved it. This HD7 and WP7 is every bit as good as that iPhone and is better in numerous ways. To me, it feels like a luxurious high-end Lexus or Infiniti. I find it to be the absolute best phone ever created. Just purely gorgeous from every aspect, externally and internally. WP7 is a sweet piece of kit.
Too bad you are giving up on it. The next update will likely solve your concerns. I knew what would be *initially* lacking in WP7 and still find it pure bliss.
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My thoughts exactly. I knew what I was getting, and what I wasn't, and I love it!
I find it a bit strange as well to go back to Android on the HDS - why not the Desire HD - same phone but actually made for Android?!

I love the new Windows Phone 7 OS, but the HTC HD7 really is a piece of s**t. Ive got to send mine away for repair already due to the power button getting stuck in, not exactly what you'd call a high end quality product. Ive had plenty of HTC phones, since the days of the XDA 1, and to be honest they have all been utter s***e. Im definately never going to buy another HTC product, I suppose thats what you get for buyin stuff that comes from China.

rob_p said:
I find it a bit strange as well to go back to Android on the HDS - why not the Desire HD - same phone but actually made for Android?!
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Because I own the HD2 and the Nexus 1...so Im using the ones I have until the Nexus S comes out, hopefully in december.

s1nn0n said:
I love the new Windows Phone 7 OS, but the HTC HD7 really is a piece of s**t. Ive got to send mine away for repair already due to the power button getting stuck in, not exactly what you'd call a high end quality product. Ive had plenty of HTC phones, since the days of the XDA 1, and to be honest they have all been utter s***e. Im definately never going to buy another HTC product, I suppose thats what you get for buyin stuff that comes from China.
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Most phones and most electronics come from China. The iPhone, designed and developed in the USA, is made in China. Most Sony phones...Japanese phones...are made in China. Pretty much any electronic equipment you own is likely made in China. HTC is a Taiwan company and is the major producer of nearly all the major phones from most companies. They made all the Palm devices prior to the Pre and Pixi...not sure who makes the Pre and Pixi now. Apple has always used Foxconn ...a Chinese company... for production of the iPhone and most, if not all, of their other products. MS used a Chinese producer for the Zunes. HTC is a similar producer. They are contracted by a number of electronics makers to produce their products. The HTC quality has always been quite good. But, until recently, that quality has nose dived a bit...for whatever reason.
My HTC HD7 is an outstanding phone. The quality is exemplary. But it took 3 other, defective, HD7s to get the good one. I feel my HD7 is like a high-class, high-end automobile in look, feel and construction.

Hi guys,
Using my HD7 for the last 5 days and until now everything runs fine
In my opinion this is an outstanding phone. Excellent quality and the new SO is very good for my use (professional and personal)
Of course some things must be corrected by MS, let's wait for the updates that all people are waiting

Big bang? Nokia-Microsoft (con) fusion

I have read in today newspaper that both CEO from Nokia and Microsoft have met and decided to join and will launch new Nokia windows based smart phone in 2011-12.
they are going to take this step against Apple and highly growing android device to jeep them both alive in competition

I thinks that Nokia is wrong. But only the time will tell us that's true or not.

with this..nokia wil be far away from android

More Competition is a good thing, I have heard mostly nothing but good things about WP7, but having never seen one in real life I'm not so sure. Symbian will be missed by some, I think it might have been better if Nokia started selling Android and WP7 handsets.

rhapsodixx said:
with this..nokia wil be far away from android
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Nokia has already said they don't want to go Android. I don't agree with this, but symbian was a dying platform, and they chose Windows Phone 7 to keep them going. I'm glad they chose an Os that has some interest in it, unlike Meego. Meego has hardly any type of interest in it. Intel is even going on the Android train against Meego, even though they created Meego with Nokia.

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Nokia has already said they don't want to go Android. I don't agree with this, but symbian was a dying platform, and they chose Windows Phone 7 to keep them going. I'm glad they chose an Os that has some interest in it, unlike Meego. Meego has hardly any type of interest in it. Intel is even going on the Android train against Meego, even though they created Meego with Nokia.
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yes.we will see something New.and yes they decided to go with windows

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Nokia has already said they don't want to go Android. I don't agree with this, but symbian was a dying platform, and they chose Windows Phone 7 to keep them going. I'm glad they chose an Os that has some interest in it, unlike Meego. Meego has hardly any type of interest in it. Intel is even going on the Android train against Meego, even though they created Meego with Nokia.
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It is kind of disappointing though that they couldn't get anyone interest in Meego. I would definitely like to see new OS from Nokia that was interesting.
Even though they're making some Win7 Phones, Nokia still mentioned they were more interested in developing their own phone software. Who knows what will happen in the next 2-3 years though.

I admit I that it is sad that they at least reduced speed for MeeGo.
But well,
at their current situation if kind of makes sense. Microsoft needs someone that the first generation of WP7 wasn't the last in the market. And I guess there are already too many good Android manufacturers. So hopefully WP7 helps them to survive the next two years and hopefully they are by then done with ready-to-release MeeGo version.

i think noia is making the wrong move

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i think noia is making the wrong move
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Me to, this is going to be a disaster

Well i dont think nokia did anything wrong.
If all phone have same Android Os than no body will purchase nokia. So i think this is very good move of nokia that it going with window and not choose Android.
Even Local mobile phone company also has Android Os on thair Cheap Smartphones.
By the way Meego also have very small market till now.
But if nokie going with Window , so Nokia Qt will also support in Nokia's Window phone. i dont think nokia wasted their time to make Qt Market and developers.
So i hope Qt will support in Nokia's Window Phone.
watch this what 3rd party developers say about the merger...

haha, Maybe my next phone is nokia with wp7..

On one side, they're right to drop Symbian and move on to something newer.
On the other side, they're wrong to chose WP7 and not Android, cause Android is 'the new hotness'. It's getting all the developer love and support, while we haven't even heard of ANNOUNCEMENTS for ports of popular apps.
I don't know what their deal with Android is, but at least they're doing something new on a new OS, not stone-age Symbian.

Symbian is officially dying, Nokia did the sensible thing.

Any news on rooting the hd7

The great HD2was stolen from me had to settle on the replacement HD7. I gotta get rid of windows 7 on this phone.

bummer
but I doubt they will ever root windows 7. windows phone is locked down. and people on in this forum like the fact that its un customizable. so your probably out of luck buddy. why don't you just trade someone for an hd2. thats what I do

Well yes its locked down. But it wont be forever.
Im sure that at a certain stage some one will hack the HSPL. Then it will be the job to port MAGDLR to HD7

Waiting for that time to come sooonnnnnn!!!! =P=P=P

Wow, yousuf18691... way to necropost a thread from February.
It's already possible (and has been for many months) to put HSPL on the HD7, although if you have the latest set of updates (SPL 5.x) that's currently not working.
As for putting Android on the HD7, first somebody would need to port Android to the HD7, and nobody seems to have done so yet. There's plenty of Android phones if you really want one, though - nobody is holding you at gunpoint and making you buy a Windows phone, I assume.

[Q] Question about future updates...

I've looked around, and couldn't find a solid answer, so I thought i'd ask.
I'm a n00b when it comes to the smart phone world. I've been using the same nokia cellphone for 4 years now, and it refuses to break. But the other day, I wrapped my hands around the HD7 and fell in love.
However, looking around online and reading more than 10 reviews, including Anandtech's 32 pager, there seem to be some glaring... i don't want to say problems, but maybe oversights with the functionality within WP7. So I must ask:
Regarding WP7 and the HD7, since the HD7s launch, has there been any updates to the WP7 OS?
Will there be any (official) updates to WP7 in the future, and will it be easy to update? Like, is it just as easy as getting a wireless internet signal on the phone and downloading the update?
and just for fun, in your opinion, do you think that some changes will be made to WP7 that make it more customisable in the future? Are updates like these possible for this type of phone?
Main reason I ask is that i've never owned a smart phone, and have NO clue on how updating works.
From what i've seen in the past, if something gets 'outdated' or is 'not robust enough', the company will just put out a brand new phone, making the previous one seem like a waste. I know why i shouldn't feel that way, but with cellphones, I do.
Which is why i'm wondering, if there are some 'problems' with WP7, is it possible that updates or fixes will be out in the future.
Sorry for seeming long-winded. I just don't want to seem TOO n00bie... been an avid tech-head for 20 years, but the cellphone thing just never got me.
Until the HD7. Grrrrr...
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omg, i just saw the windows phone 7 updates thread.
lol

as you've seen updates are coming, features will get added, I doubt the interface will become more customisable, what will happen is Microsoft will release the tight grip it has regarding what devs can and cant do, which will lead to more great apps and hubs.
just incase you hadn't seen the update procedure, you get notified on your phone that an update is available, when you get home you plug the phone into your PC the zune software fires up, tells you an update is available and asks do you want to install, if you say yes, Zune takes a backup of your phone, downloads the new ROM and then installs it for you, while you get a cup of tea.
Hope this helps

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as you've seen updates are coming, features will get added, I doubt the interface will become more customisable, what will happen is Microsoft will release the tight grip it has regarding what devs can and cant do, which will lead to more great apps and hubs.
just incase you hadn't seen the update procedure, you get notified on your phone that an update is available, when you get home you plug the phone into your PC the zune software fires up, tells you an update is available and asks do you want to install, if you say yes, Zune takes a backup of your phone, downloads the new ROM and then installs it for you, while you get a cup of tea.
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Cool, thank you very much
Any news about flash coming to the browser???
haha