I searched the forums for quite a while but couldn't find an answer to this question, so here I go:
Is it possible to use the space freed up by deleting system apps (like Motonav) for installing own Apps (e.g. memory hogs like Swype or the Flash Player)?
Not 100% sure but I just downloaded titanium backup from the market backed up those unwanted apps then uninstalled. That should free up space for what you want be careful what you uninstall though.
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Eiertschik said:
I searched the forums for quite a while but couldn't find an answer to this question, so here I go:
Is it possible to use the space freed up by deleting system apps (like Motonav) for installing own Apps (e.g. memory hogs like Swype or the Flash Player)?
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THe partition where those system apps are installed is not the same partition where apps you download are installed, so, if you free some space there, it won't affect free space at all.
But, you can move applications from /data/app to /system/app (if you mount /system/app as read/write), just move them and reboot the phone, but, before moving, please make sure that there is enough free space on /system by typing on adb shell or a terminal emulator:
df /system
If there is enough space, just go ahead, move the apk to /system and save some space in /data, BUT, and there is always a BUT... Any updates to that application will occupy space in /data again, so, everytime the APP is updated, you should delete the old APK in /system, move the new apk from /data to /system and reboot.
I'm pretty sure that Titanium Backup has this kind of functionality built in, not sure if it is pro only or if it works in the free version, but, since it did not work well the first time I've tried, I just do it manually.
P.s.: It is highly recommended that, before moving thing in or out the /system folder, you do a full NANDROID BACKUP, so you can just revert back to working condition if something go wrong (i.e.: if you delete something essential, perhaps you won't be able to load Titanium Backup and restore that back).
Sure, I added a lot of apps in system/app partition
For example I added GoSMS and GoLauncher, deleting mms and adwlauncher.
I made it because they are the most-used apps so it's better running them from internal memory rather than ext2 partition, plus I can boot the phone without SD.
The only problem, as HinotoriBR said, is that when you update an app you should move it from data/app to system/app, delete the old app version (newly installed will have a different name) and reboot.
yosif yackson said:
Not 100% sure but I just downloaded titanium backup from the market backed up those unwanted apps then uninstalled. That should free up space for what you want be careful what you uninstall though.
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You're right, that DOES free up space on /system partition, but it's not enough to use the free space for other apps
HinotoriBR said:
THe partition where those system apps are installed is not the same partition where apps you download are installed, so, if you free some space there, it won't affect free space at all.
But, you can move applications from /data/app to /system/app (if you mount /system/app as read/write), just move them and reboot the phone, but, before moving, please make sure that there is enough free space on /system by typing on adb shell or a terminal emulator:
df /system
If there is enough space, just go ahead, move the apk to /system and save some space in /data, BUT, and there is always a BUT... Any updates to that application will occupy space in /data again, so, everytime the APP is updated, you should delete the old APK in /system, move the new apk from /data to /system and reboot.
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I installed Swype and moved com.swype.android.inputmethod-1.apk to /system/app using Root Explorer and it still worked without rebooting the phone.
Maybe because input methods are always active in the background so it didn't notice the moving?
I restarted anyway (because otherwise it doesn't update the free memory information in Settings) and et voila: more than 10MB extra space.
Now Swype is still listed in the "All Apps" tab of app management but with a mere 2MB.
I guess that's user settings, dalvik cache and other stuff - so I better not move it...
One last question:
How much free space should remain on /system partition?
Is it also used to cache stuff or can I fill it all the way to the top?
downloadman said:
Sure, I added a lot of apps in system/app partition
For example I added GoSMS and GoLauncher, deleting mms and adwlauncher.
I made it because they are the most-used apps so it's better running them from internal memory rather than ext2 partition, plus I can boot the phone without SD.
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Since I'm not using an ext2 partition on my SD card it should make no difference if an app is in /system or /data when it comes to performance, shouldn't it?
THANKS TO EVERYONE
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Since I'm not using an ext2 partition on my SD card it should make no difference if an app is in /system or /data when it comes to performance, shouldn't it?
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I suppose you're right. Or maybe SD speed is faster than internal memory, who knows... but surely reading internal memory uses less battery power than reading microsd.
An ext2 partition is really useful if you install a lot of apps.
As my SD card is only Class2 (was bundled with the phone) I doubt it would be faster than internal memory.
Up to now I was able to install all the apps I really needed without an ext2 partition - so I think the /system-trick will give me more space than I really need
But thanks anyway - I'll get back to it when I'm keen enough to use custom roms and ext partitions
Eiertschik said:
One last question:
How much free space should remain on /system partition?
Is it also used to cache stuff or can I fill it all the way to the top?
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Since partition is mounted as read only usually, it means that partition is not used to cache or store any app data. All data and cache of /system applications goes to /data (which, as you observed, still has some space being used by the moved application). So, you should be able to fill /system (or get close to fill it) and have no issues.
If you don't use any modded rom, you can use Androidiani Open Recovery and use some space that is left for OTA transfers to store cache data (there is a specific partition with 100+ MB of free space used just for that, to store a firmware upgrade received OTA), it is known as "Memhack" and free up more space. As far as I know, many mods as CM7 already have this "Memhack" built-in.
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Since partition is mounted as read only usually, it means that partition is not used to cache or store any app data.[...]
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Maybe that was too obvious for me to figure out
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If you don't use any modded rom, you can use Androidiani Open Recovery and use some space that is left for OTA transfers to store cache data (there is a specific partition with 100+ MB of free space used just for that, to store a firmware upgrade received OTA), it is known as "Memhack" and free up more space. As far as I know, many mods as CM7 already have this "Memhack" built-in.
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I already use AOR to root my 2.2.1 stock ROM.
This memhack sounds very interesting... might consider it because I don't really expect any further Milestone update from Motorola.
Sounds more reliable than an ext2 partition on SD card - since I don't really trust my card...
If I do this Memhack and for whatever reason Moto will release an update - will I still be able to do it using a PC?
Eiertschik said:
Maybe that was too obvious for me to figure out
I already use AOR to root my 2.2.1 stock ROM.
This memhack sounds very interesting... might consider it because I don't really expect any further Milestone update from Motorola.
Sounds more reliable than an ext2 partition on SD card - since I don't really trust my card...
If I do this Memhack and for whatever reason Moto will release an update - will I still be able to do it using a PC?
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The memhack will move the cache from the /data partition to that specific partition for OTA upgrades. So, as your cache grows larger, your /data (free internal memory) will not decrease. This saves internal memory space that would otherwise be used for cache (not sure if application data is moved there too).
As soon as you start hacking the stock rom, it is not recommended to try to update directly the phone, if Motorola ever releases a newer version, recommended steps:
- Titanium Backup all your Apps/Data
- Flash a stock SBF (2.0/2.1/2.2, doesn't matter) in your phone, wipe all data/cache
- Use Motorola Software Update to upgrade the software to the new revision
- Afterwards, as soon as update is done and phone boots, you can flash vulnerable recovery and then through Open Recovery or Androidiani Open Recovery hack the hell out of your phone again (ie.: root, memhack, overclock, etc)
- As soon as you get root, use Titanium Backup to restore your Apps/Data
Or, you could always wait for someone to release a Nandroid Backup of the new rom, as is usual in the Android Development section, and simply use that Nandroid Backup (alway Titanium Backup your apps/data b4), wipe everything after update, and then use Titanium Backup to restore your Apps/Data
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P.s.: It is highly recommended that, before moving thing in or out the /system folder, you do a full NANDROID BACKUP, so you can just revert back to working condition if something go wrong (i.e.: if you delete something essential, perhaps you won't be able to load Titanium Backup and restore that back).
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I wish I read that 5 minutes ago... lol !
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I wish I read that 5 minutes ago... lol !
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Being a Motorola phone, you can always find the SBF related to your phone and use RSDLite to flash it. Milestone, to enter boot mode and then use RSDLite to send a SBF ( http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone , if you are a Droid user, probably there is somewhere else to find it, if you are milestone user, try to use a version close to whatever you had), just power it down, hold dpad up, and with dpad up pressed you power the phone. You will see some writting about the boot loader, your phone is ready to be connected in our PC and you can flash it using RSD Lite.
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Being a Motorola phone, you can always find the SBF related to your phone and use RSDLite to flash it. Milestone, to enter boot mode and then use RSDLite to send a SBF ( http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone , if you are a Droid user, probably there is somewhere else to find it, if you are milestone user, try to use a version close to whatever you had), just power it down, hold dpad up, and with dpad up pressed you power the phone. You will see some writting about the boot loader, your phone is ready to be connected in our PC and you can flash it using RSD Lite.
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Yea, cheers, it was a school boy error! I was thinking to myself must do a nandroid before I start tinkering and totally forgot! All back to normal and backed up now
I was seeing if I could swap out the stock dialer with dialer one in system/apps... Milestone didnt seem to like it at all! I assume apps like dialer one are dependant on the existance of core apps. I did manage to get rid of the 3D gallery and replace it with quickpic.
Theres loads in system/apps that I simply dont need like 'LiveWallpapersPicker.apk' which I assume I can just get rid of - I will give it a go and see what comes crashing down!
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Hi guys
I switched from my x10 to a nexus one last week, really wanted to try out Froyo, multitouch, and all the goodies that come with that.
I flashed a desire sense rom onto my nexus a couple of days ago. I didn't bother to check what the internal memory was on first boot, and perhaps I should have, but hopefully you can help anyway.
I used titanium backup to restore all of my apps. However, I got to a certain point, and my internal memory was full. So I had to cancel the process, and then start a new batch process in titanium backup to move all the apps to the sd card. This seemed fine, I started again to restore all the previously unrestored apps. Then, sooner than before, the same thing happened again. So I cancelled the process and moved all apps to the sd card. This went on, to the point where I'm at now, that I have so little internal memory I can't install any more apps! Even though I have supposedly shifted all my apps to the sd card. I have no idea what has happened this memory, where has it gone? How do I reclaim it? What is it that is taking it up, if all my apps are on my sd card instead? :-S
Thanks for the help as always guys, any tips are much appreciated.
Download DiskUsage from the market (you may have to uninstall something first).
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When you restore from titanium after flashing a rom just restore missing apps and data NOT all system data, just fyi
or just do basic apps you need
if you are going to run sense roms you should use amon_ra 2.0.0 to set up an ext3 partition. Some roms move the a2sd auto after you reboot right after flashing rom and some use Dark Tremor that they include in rom. Just need to be sure.
ken
Thanks for the tip about titanium, I'll remember that for the next time.
I ran DiskUsage, seems I have 96.3MB of system data... Is all of this essential, or is there any way for me to clear some of it? How did it all get there in the first place?
Thanks guys.
that seems awful high for system mem free. sure it isn't internal free memory your seeing
not familiar with diskusage, if it shows all, good
i like quick system shows all mem info. maybe just duplicates diskusage, don't know
interested to know internal free memory
According to disk usage, out of a total of 196.2MB internal memory,
79.8MB is used by apps (presumably those which must be stored locally)
96.3MB system data
and 20.2MB free space.
Does this help?
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that seems awful high for system mem free. sure it isn't internal free memory your seeing
not familiar with diskusage, if it shows all, good
i like quick system shows all mem info. maybe just duplicates diskusage, don't know
interested to know internal free memory
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ask the right questions, that is not a large amount of system memory if he is using the new sense 2.0 roms
, are you using the new desireHD rom / mytouch 4g, with sense 2.0, these roms are large, leaving very little space on the device, if it is one of these you will have setup an ext partition on your sdcard,
if you have flashed the desireHD rom plug your phone into pc
from cmd type
adb shell stop
adb shell
a2sd repair
hit ctrl+c to back out
adb shell start
this should move all apps from the /data/app partition into your sd-ext partition, which has much more free space
those don't sound right, doesn't it say "internal free memory" and 20.63mb free which is the internal is very low
I go back into TB and scroll down and delete apps from previous rom and then refresh. If you did select "restore all apps and system data" may be why internal is low. Don't think you cancahnge that till next rom flash. If it is working you can nandroid for now and think about Dark Tremor.
I used "eViL-NXSense-v.1.25", this was the ROM that I flashed.
How much free memory would you expect with this? And also, how come the memory went down as I installed apps, even though I moved them to the external memory?
petecdun said:
I used "eViL-NXSense-v.1.25", this was the ROM that I flashed.
How much free memory would you expect with this? And also, how come the memory went down as I installed apps, even though I moved them to the external memory?
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right, an AOSP rom will leave you with about 70-90 MB, not exactly sure with a sense rom but i doubt there would me much left to play with as the nexus was built without sense
the reason your space still goes down is because when you install the app, it is dexopted and the code is optimized, this optimized code is specific for your phone and is stored on your data partition, so even though your moving the actual app to your sdcard, the optimized code (Dalvik cache) is still stored on your phone, as the same for any app data.
my advice, and what i always use is Apps2Ext this is using a seperate partition on your memory card dedicated to installing apps, if you have one setup already great, if not
backup everything on your SDcard and partition it with your recovery software, when asked, choose 512MB ext, 0 swap, and the rest (FAT), copy all your stuff back to your SDcard, as well as this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715940
flash that through the recovery, it will move all your apps from the data/app folder to the new partition you made on your sdcard and link data/app to that folder so any new apps you install will automatically be installed there
I have MicroMod2.10 sense which is auto a2sd, you need an ext3 partition to get more free.
I have 93mb free internal. Normal can be 75 to 120
Your system free mem sounds high
FYI: If you partition with amon or rommgr/cwmod it wipes sd card.
I just messed up my sdcard and had to reformat it, not ext partition, left it alone, thru Mini Partition Tool Wizard and sd card reader. The reader is the only thing that confirms I have ext 3. DT always shows ext2 and rommgr seems to do only ext2. Amon can do ext3, 512mb, 0 Swap
You need to get in habit of backing sdcard regularly, not necessarily all everytime, if a particular folder like videos or pics hasn't changed. They are high mem only.
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Ken
Hi,
on Gingerbread/CM7, is there a way to put more apps to the /system partition? I am always low on space for apps, even though i have moved almost all my apps to sd using the A2SD function. Currently, only market and rommanager are on /system, i would like to move some more gapps to /system if possiblr.
PS. DT apps2sd is no option for me since it keeps on crashing my nexus one.
Thanks!
Use Root Explorer from the market and move the .APK's to /system/app. Other alternative is to use the premium version of Titanium Backup and use the option to "integrate update into ROM."
Beedee2 said:
Hi,
on Gingerbread/CM7, is there a way to put more apps to the /system partition? I am always low on space for apps, even though i have moved almost all my apps to sd using the A2SD function. Currently, only market and rommanager are on /system, i would like to move some more gapps to /system if possiblr.
PS. DT apps2sd is no option for me since it keeps on crashing my nexus one.
Thanks!
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i just finally switched to yesterday's CM7 nightly, and with moving all my apps to the SD card with just the standard (but improved via gingerbread) a2sd method, i now have 130MB free space with 81 apps installed. i wonder if the new release puts some things on system partition automatically that i dont know about.
RogerPodacter said:
i just finally switched to yesterday's CM7 nightly, and with moving all my apps to the SD card with just the standard (but improved via gingerbread) a2sd method, i now have 130MB free space with 81 apps installed. i wonder if the new release puts some things on system partition automatically that i dont know about.
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Thanks, I think the 130MB is your free space on the sd-card? Isn't 130MB about the total space available for apps?
Rod3 said:
Use Root Explorer from the market and move the .APK's to /system/app. Other alternative is to use the premium version of Titanium Backup and use the option to "integrate update into ROM."
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Thanks, Root explorer does the trick! Isn't Titanium's "integrate update into ROM" only available for apps that are already in the system dir?
Beedee2 said:
Thanks, Root explorer does the trick! Isn't Titanium's "integrate update into ROM" only available for apps that are already in the system dir?
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Sorry, yes. But this a handy feature because even though you may have a app stored within \system\app, if you install a market update, the update will go to \data\app. You would then need to manually move the update to \system\app and replace the old .apk file. If you don't, then the app is stored in 2 places and is an inefficient use of memory.
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Thanks, I think the 130MB is your free space on the sd-card? Isn't 130MB about the total space available for apps?
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No that is my internal free space. I just moved all apps to the card with the standard froyo method.
Rod3 said:
Use Root Explorer from the market and move the .APK's to /system/app. Other alternative is to use the premium version of Titanium Backup and use the option to "integrate update into ROM."
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So I can just manually move apps with root explorer to free up space? I'll give it a shot.
Sorry I have 110 free, not 130. I just checked.
Dumb question, once I move the app It no longer opens cause it has moved. How exactly do I handle this? I tried the market, vending, for example.
Never mind, change permissions then reboot solved it. BTW strangely before you reboot the free space actually goes in the opposite direction showing less free space after the move, till a reboot.
Glad it worked for you Roger. Personally, I have never had to change the permissions, but just needed to make sure I renamed the update exactly the same as was in system, reboot and enjoy.
Seems to be working well. I'm still confused how I have so much free space. It says 114mb free right now with 81 apps installed. Granted they are just regular sized apps, nothing huge.
CM7 can make you install apps on the sd card, how does it differ from app2sd or app2ext? i have been trying to decide if i should partition my new sd card or its not necessary. There must be an advantage to have app2ext right?
Thank you.
CM7 basically allows you to move all applications using Froyo's app2sd mode. Even ones that have disabled it (like live wallpapers and widgets as those won't work when installed that way).
app2sdext works differently as it will install apps directly to an ext partition on your sdcard (that you manually have to set up). This functionality is NOT build into CyanogenMod, but is easily added with a number of different apps/scripts. This will give you a lot more free space on your phone, and all apps can be installed there regardless of whether they have widgets or have services running. Most app2sdext options will also give you the option of moving the dalvik cache to the sdcard which will save you a substantial amount of space on your internal memory.
Basically, if you want a lot of memory intensive apps, your only decent option with a Nexus One is an app2sdext solution. (I have it with a 1GB partition, and I will soon either need to resize it or delete apps... adding app2sdext was the second best thing I ever did to my phone behind installing CyanogenMod on it.)
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CM7 basically allows you to move all applications using Froyo's app2sd mode. Even ones that have disabled it (like live wallpapers and widgets as those won't work when installed that way).
app2sdext works differently as it will install apps directly to an ext partition on your sdcard (that you manually have to set up). This functionality is NOT build into CyanogenMod, but is easily added with a number of different apps/scripts. This will give you a lot more free space on your phone, and all apps can be installed there regardless of whether they have widgets or have services running. Most app2sdext options will also give you the option of moving the dalvik cache to the sdcard which will save you a substantial amount of space on your internal memory.
Basically, if you want a lot of memory intensive apps, your only decent option with a Nexus One is an app2sdext solution. (I have it with a 1GB partition, and I will soon either need to resize it or delete apps... adding app2sdext was the second best thing I ever did to my phone behind installing CyanogenMod on it.)
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why didnt i think of that? thank you for your reply... now i should decide whether to do it now or wait till i have reached maybe about a hundred apps. by the way does it have any effect on the speed of the phone if you do that?
I am on cm7 and decided to put cache apps on sd card using ta utility is there any other new apps like that? ta
Can you do this with rooted stock?
lolobabes said:
why didnt i think of that? thank you for your reply... now i should decide whether to do it now or wait till i have reached maybe about a hundred apps. by the way does it have any effect on the speed of the phone if you do that?
I am on cm7 and decided to put cache apps on sd card using ta utility is there any other new apps like that? ta
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I have a class 4 32GB card, and I didn't notice any appreciable difference in speed. I have moved my apps and dalvik cache to the sdcard using DarkTremor's a2sd. I currently have 260 apps installed on my phone, and that is pushing the internal phone space and the 1GB partition I set up for ext. I am about to bug danger-rat for his instructions on how he resized his internal partitions to give the data residing on the phone more space (I will basically shrink the cache partition and I am looking at resizing my ext partition to 1.5GB or 2GB.
I couldn't live without this anymore. I don't know how I went so long without it. It is so nice to just browse the online market and click install on countless apps without worrying about your space.
If you want to try and move the app data (resides in /data/data) to the sdcard, I have heard that it is recommended to have a class 10 card to keep up with speed requirements. I am not sure how many apps support that.
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Can you do this with rooted stock?
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I believe you can. You would have to have a custom recovery. The main thing I am not sure is if it will mount the ext partition. If you have a custom recovery, do a nandroid backup (just in case it doesn't work), flash the zip for DarkTremor, and reboot the phone (the first boot will take longer).
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Can you do this with rooted stock?
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yes you can.
bassmadrigal said:
I have a class 4 32GB card, and I didn't notice any appreciable difference in speed. I have moved my apps and dalvik cache to the sdcard using DarkTremor's a2sd. I currently have 260 apps installed on my phone, and that is pushing the internal phone space and the 1GB partition I set up for ext. I am about to bug danger-rat for his instructions on how he resized his internal partitions to give the data residing on the phone more space (I will basically shrink the cache partition and I am looking at resizing my ext partition to 1.5GB or 2GB.
I couldn't live without this anymore. I don't know how I went so long without it. It is so nice to just browse the online market and click install on countless apps without worrying about your space.
If you want to try and move the app data (resides in /data/data) to the sdcard, I have heard that it is recommended to have a class 10 card to keep up with speed requirements. I am not sure how many apps support that.
I believe you can. You would have to have a custom recovery. The main thing I am not sure is if it will mount the ext partition. If you have a custom recovery, do a nandroid backup (just in case it doesn't work), flash the zip for DarkTremor, and reboot the phone (the first boot will take longer).
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thanks for the reply i think i read on darktremors post class 4 will do for the data2sd. I have class 4 16GB sd card would 1GB good for the ext? ty
It really depends on how much you think you will be installing. I did a 1GB partition on mine, but now that I install most of the Amazon free daily apps, that space is dwindling quickly. I have programs that will resize the partition for me, but most will have to wipe the card and partition it manually. I do have the install location set to automatic, so it allows developers to specify whether they want it in the "internal" (really it is on the sdext partition, but to the phone it is internal) or external using the froyo method. The Angry Bird apps all default to install on the sdcard, so my installed app base is even larger than 1GB.
bassmadrigal said:
... adding app2sdext was the second best thing I ever did to my phone behind installing CyanogenMod on it.)
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I second this
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is it true that cwm sets the partition to ext3 by default? unlike in ra recovery where you still need to convert it? ta
I have heard that it creates it in ext3, but right now, DTa2sd is showing that it is a ext2 partition. I can't figure out how to find out for sure while the card is in the phone. Either way, it is getting mounted as an ext2 partition.
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I thought CWM will create ext3 by default? Your steps are ok, np.
Anyway when u read the ext partition type in android, most likely u will see ext2 if u are using official DT script cuz of the auto syntax it uses.
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then it maybe so, this was posted on the darktremor thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14134665#post14134665
Well, whether or not it is formatted as an ext3 partition, Android is still mounting mine as an ext2 partition.
Code:
mount | grep ext
NOTE: the "|" is called a pipe. On the keyboard it is the shift option on the backslash key "\". I don't know exactly where it is on the stock keyboard, but on swype it is located under the "D" key when the keyboard has the shift key pressed and you access it by longpressing.
To get your sdcard to ext3, you just need to turn on journaling. You can do this through adb while in the recovery (because you need the partition unmounted to do this).
Code:
adb reboot recovery
adb shell
mount system
e2fsk /dev/block/mmcblk0p2
tune2fs -j /dev/block/mmcblk0p2
reboot
Supposedly Android should auto-mount this as ext3 on boot (which you can check with the first command). At that point, I don't think it will matter what a2sd shows. As the writing of the journal (the big thing with ext3, since it helps minimize write errors on a bad shutdown) is done at the OS level, not the a2sd level.
Hi,
I have 7.2.4.c kabaldan milestone rom.
With sd card with 3 partitions : fat32/ext3 1gb / swap.
Since I can't move my app to the ext with basic app2sd kind of app, I tried S2E.
Well, with the option "intall app to INTERNAL", I guess that s2e were intalled on the ext partition... I hit someting and reboot the phone.
Now, I have lost all my apps, I looks like the stock clean rom AND I can't install any applications, even if I change automatic/internal/external options.
So I don't have access to the ext partition.
Is there a way to get my ext back without a wipe?
(I do have a complete backup, but its a couple of weeks old... my bad )
Thanks
You don't need any additional app to use the ext partition.
All of kabaldan's ROMs automatically detect and use it if it's there.
I don't know how to recover your apps, but I guess any attempt will end up dirty.
Restore your old backup and don't forget to make one everytime you try something fancy
Eiertschik said:
You don't need any additional app to use the ext partition.
All of kabaldan's ROMs automatically detect and use it if it's there.
I don't know how to recover your apps, but I guess any attempt will end up dirty.
Restore your old backup and don't forget to make one everytime you try something fancy
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haha, yeah I know, its my gf phone, she doesnt keep important stuff, its not a big deal.
With my phone don't worry, I do backups everytime .
You say that its automatic , but I dont understand why after a while I still have the "no more sapce available ". ext is around 200 mb of 1gb full...
Low space warning usualy means your /data is full, not /sd-ext. Try lib2ext.
btw, I do not know how to recover, I have no clue what s2e did to your data.
mrvek said:
Low space warning usualy means your /data is full, not /sd-ext. Try lib2ext.
btw, I do not know how to recover, I have no clue what s2e did to your data.
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Yes, I understand, the 133mb is full, but all my app should install on the ext anyway?
I'm not the only one, but I still dont understand why I cant access to my apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507743
oVeRdOsE. said:
Yes, I understand, the 133mb is full, but all my app should install on the ext anyway?
I'm not the only one, but I still dont understand why I cant access to my apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507743
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The script that moves all user apps to ext partition can be seen here
You can't access them because there is probably some confilct between s2e and the inbuilt 07app2ext script that moves all your apps to sd-ext automatically. That is, it moves the apk part of application, there are some parts, like libraries, databases, etc., that remain in /data/data. And it is stuff in /data/data/ that is filling the space so the OS is complaining. Hence the recomendation to try to utilize lib2ext.
The simplest and probably the safest way to get back to track is to start from scratch. As mentioned, I have no clue what s2e did to your files and where it might have moved it. It might be lost, maybe it is on sd-ext but inaccessible because of messed up permissions, perhaps on sdcard somewhere... IDK.
Point beeing - third party apps and/or scripts are usually incompatible with inbuilt 07app2ext script that provides same/similar functionality.
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Yes, I understand, the 133mb is full, but all my app should install on the ext anyway?
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The apps are installed to ext, but there is more to an app than just the .apk file.
There's dalvik cache, ordinary cache and other additional data
Those usually aren't moved to ext.
If you're running out of space despite having an ext partition enter the following into Terminal Emulator and reboot:
Code:
lib2ext 1
mrvek said:
The script that moves all user apps to ext partition can be seen here
You can't access them because there is probably some confilct between s2e and the inbuilt 07app2ext script that moves all your apps to sd-ext automatically. That is, it moves the apk part of application, there are some parts, like libraries, databases, etc., that remain in /data/data. And it is stuff in /data/data/ that is filling the space so the OS is complaining. Hence the recomendation to try to utilize lib2ext.
The simplest and probably the safest way to get back to track is to start from scratch. As mentioned, I have no clue what s2e did to your files and where it might have moved it. It might be lost, maybe it is on sd-ext but inaccessible because of messed up permissions, perhaps on sdcard somewhere... IDK.
Point beeing - third party apps and/or scripts are usually incompatible with inbuilt 07app2ext script that provides same/similar functionality.
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That's make sense. I read some post found on google, and mostlikely, that's what they said.
I did a factory reset, and all my apps are back, but the save data. I'll put it back manualy from my nand backup.
Eiertschik said:
The apps are installed to ext, but there is more to an app than just the .apk file.
There's dalvik cache, ordinary cache and other additional data
Those usually aren't moved to ext.
If you're running out of space despite having an ext partition enter the following into Terminal Emulator and reboot:
Code:
lib2ext 1
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Thanks, I wish I can understand everything on andoird programming... I saw only the basic programing at shcool.
For the past week, I have received an error message at my storage space is running out and some system functions may not work properly. I am also receiving repeated force close error messages, which I assume to be related to the storage space issue. The problem is, I have plenty of internal storage space and external storage space available. Below, I've attached screenshots of my current storage.
The error message first came up while using the AOSP 4.2 ROM compiled by pawitp. Before getting the message, I have been using this rom for a couple months with no problem. I reflashed the ROM several times to remedy the issue , but each time I would end up with force close issues after a day or two. Before flashing, I would perform a full wipe, wife cache/dalvik, and format system. Just to be sure, I have tried flashing 4.2 that was recently released by Collective, and the latest slim4.2. I am having these issues no matter what rom I am on.
Edit: cannot upload images from the xda app. Will upload as son as I'm at the computer.
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Suggestion;
Go get SD maid, by darken, on Google play store. it does much more than clean the SD.
Try the free version, then buy the pro if you want to support the dev.
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Suggestion;
Go get SD maid, by darken, on Google play store. it does much more than clean the SD.
Try the free version, then buy the pro if you want to support the dev.
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Unfortunately, I cannot download anything from the play store due to the storage issue...
Would uninstalling some apps allow you to install others. ? You can always reinstall them later.
Alternatively. Go into settings, apps, and start deleting app data. for example, gallery, which can take up much more space than it needs. Leave the app, jus clear the data. Maps, browser, etc.
Chances are that your data data partition is full of junk, near its 422mb limit. If you open terminal emulator, type su, then df, you will see which partition is causing the problem.
+1 for what laughingT said
Taking a look at the partitions is the best way to start on this as it is the most common cause, usually /data (/data/data) or /cache is full.
Due to the way android lumps the different partitions toegether in the system view, it might look like there is enough free space when in reality there are sub partitions that are full.
But:
"The insufficient storage" will also be (missleadingly) displayed if an app can not be installed because it's .odex file already exists (for whatever reason) from a previous install.
Thanks for input, Dark3n.
Correct me if I am wrong, but your SD Maid app can clean up stray odex, yes?
I have used SD Maid Pro to keep my phone 'clean'. I had 400 mb in datadata on cm10.0 at one point, and SD Maid helped me trim that down to 150 mb.
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+1 for what laughingT said
Taking a look at the partitions is the best way to start on this as it is the most common cause, usually /data (/data/data) or /cache is full.
Due to the way android lumps the different partitions toegether in the system view, it might look like there is enough free space when in reality there are sub partitions that are full.
But:
"The insufficient storage" will also be (missleadingly) displayed if an app can not be installed because it's .odex file already exists (for whatever reason) from a previous install.
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Thank you to everyone for the help so far. I wiped and reflashed the ROM so that I could have enough time to get into Titanium Backup before the launcher FCed on me. I restored SD Maid and see that my datadata partition is full (420 of 422). Can I move the system apps to the SD card with SD Maid? I thought that I had this option at one time, but I do not seem to get an option to move my system apps. I tried to convert them to user apps using link2sd (was able to get this installed from a flashable zip that I created before having this issue), but I am unable to do so.
What is odd is that my data data is basically full with only the standard system apps installed on slim and/or AOCP. I didn't even flash gapps.
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Moving apps to SD, especially system apps, probably won't help you. Your data partition isn't full, right?
I'd use the app cleaner tab and system cleaner tabs in SD maid to selectively clear app and system data. Clean browsers, maps, galleries and photo apps, at least. this won't uninstall the apps which is good, but it should clear a lot of garbage out.
If that won't do for you, then go into manage apps under the settings menu and clear at the browser data and cache, the maps data and cache, and the gallery data and cache. I'll take a guess that that alone will free up 150 mb.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but your SD Maid app can clean up stray odex, yes?
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Can I move the system apps to the SD card with SD Maid?
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Not yet, but both on the TODO list in that order. No time for coding SD Maid atm . Soon...
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Thanks for input, Dark3n.
Correct me if I am wrong, but your SD Maid app can clean up stray odex, yes?
I have used SD Maid Pro to keep my phone 'clean'. I had 400 mb in datadata on cm10.0 at one point, and SD Maid helped me trim that down to 150 mb.
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I'm trying everything I can but I can't seem to find out what is taking up all my data data storage space. I've cleaned the cache and data for every app and it is still showing me around 400. Like I said before, I've got nothing installed other than what came on the slim 4.2 ROM (plus es file explorer and SD maid).
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okay. try this
start terminal emulator and enter
su
du datadata > sdcard/du.txt
exit
exit
. . .
okay, now go open the text file named du.txt that is in your sdcard.
it should list every file in datadata along with the size of each one.
because the size is at the beginning of each line, you can also sort the info by file size, either on your phone with an app like quickoffice, or on your pc.
there is also a way to do that sorting in the shell in terminal emulator, or with a script, but I'm too rusty on linux commands to give you that long command line.
edit: du is going to show the file space used by each subdirectory. that should point you to the offending files and orphan directories.
Did not find any issues after running the datadata log. I did, however, notice several simlink errors after getting es file explorer installed. Flashed the zip referenced in the following link to see if it would fix my errors (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1541942). So far, so good. No storage notifications, I am able to install from play store, and can restore from T/B. I will report back in a day or two to confirm if this fixed my issue.
I'm not sure that fix script is useful for the jelly bean partition layout, which is different from ics , I think.
They are referencing CM9 and a 170mb datadata partition. As you know, we've got a 422mb datadata partition, and I beleive jb uses a different strategy to make use of the fast flash rom in captivate.
Sorry, wrong link. I meant to link the datafix app from the play store. By the way, still seems to be working well.
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Okay, I figured it out. I looked in my cwm log and noticed that I had a TON of bad blocks in my datadata partition. This effectively shrunk my partition down to about 50MB. No wonder I had storage warning issues as soon as I would flash any ROM (and why I needed datafix app to free up some space). Before using the phone as a paperweight, I decided I would reflash to stock kg3 to see if repartitioning and flashing back to cm 10.1 could fix it. After going back to stock and then getting back to 10.1, the bad datadata sectors appear to be fixed. I'll report back in a few days.
Any idea what caused the badblocks?
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Any idea what caused the badblocks?
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I'll hazard a guess..
if his card was actually using a vfat or non jounaling fs, like ext2 for datadata, then
nonjournaling file systems on SD cards under linux are known to become corrupted when power is lost or interrupted. killing apps through a task manager or power manager could do the same, if it didn't allow the write buffer to finish. also a weak sd card might misbehave, particularly if bus is overclocked as it can be in semaphore kernel.
if it isn't a journaling fs, then the blocks show up as either bad or used when they are actually empty and good. periodically running fsck might be a good strategy for him.
edit; fsck isn't included in android build or busybox, I guess. Dark3n, could you build the fsck module into your SD maid app?