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Silly question but I'm still interested in how you guys think the note fairs over the padphone.
post opinions here.
You know of course that there is a small phone unit in our Notes!.
Seriously though,I am the kind of guy who likes to keep his handset in touch and not sort of abuse it by constantly snaping in and out,or box it away in another device or a tab for that matter,since mmy Note does both jobs excellently the Padphone is not for me, actualy not even considered it.
The padfone idea is pretty cool but the specs suck. Would love an accessory to the note with a large highres OLED screen though.
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Zamboney said:
The padfone idea is pretty cool but the specs suck. Would love an accessory to the note with a large highres OLED screen though.
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Second that. Looks cool. Kinda lame specs. Couldn't see my self using one. I have a phablet and a tablet so I'm content
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Second that. Looks cool. Kinda lame specs. Couldn't see my self using one. I have a phablet and a tablet so I'm content
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If the PadFone were a Tegra 3 or TI OMAP 5 or something badass like that, then I would be more tempted.
The Padphone has wins in everything except screen resolution which is negated via tablet.
Snapdragon S4 > Tegra 3 and Exynos 4210.
Very interested... am looking forward to hit actually hitting the market.
(or even announcing pricing would be nice)
if someone creates a 4" phone with a 7"screen then I would say a true combination of portability and big screen functionality.
For Note, the size is still a little too big for portability, while it's a little too small as a tablet.
For padphone, it's not very portable (need to carry a pad and a phone).
I love the idea. If the specs are not up to it, then a waste of effort.
I can see it working really well for the Note, imagine the 10" Note as a dumb terminal for the Note? That would be cool. I imagine Samsung would have to pay Asus quite a bit for the inevitable patent, however.
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The Padphone has wins in everything except screen resolution which is negated via tablet.
Snapdragon S4 > Tegra 3 and Exynos 4210.
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dunno what the heck everyone else in here is talking about but you seem to know what youre talking about.
its not a last gen snapdragon, its a next gen snapdragon. it may not be the S4 pro, but the S4 is already pretty darn fast. for those who havent seen it, the snapdragon S4 dual core outperforms the tegra3 quad core chipset in almost all CPU tasks - thats a dual core beating a quad core.
so NO, the padfone specs do not suck. it has much more processing power than we have, and even though it doesnt have the next gen qualcomm GPUs, it doesnt need it when its in phone mode since it runs at a lower res in phone mode.
the only question is how well will it perform in tablet mode.
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dunno what the heck everyone else in here is talking about but you seem to know what youre talking about.
its not a last gen snapdragon, its a next gen snapdragon. it may not be the S4 pro, but the S4 is already pretty darn fast. for those who havent seen it, the snapdragon S4 dual core outperforms the tegra3 quad core chipset in almost all CPU tasks - thats a dual core beating a quad core.
so NO, the padfone specs do not suck. it has much more processing power than we have, and even though it doesnt have the next gen qualcomm GPUs, it doesnt need it when its in phone mode since it runs at a lower res in phone mode.
the only question is how well will it perform in tablet mode.
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I actually just skimmed it from my phone and saw dual core snapdragon and assumed. If its s4 then ya screen res is really its only draw back
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Unless Asus plans on upgrading the phone each year and keeping it the same dimensions so people can keep the tablet and still upgrade their phones....then I think Padphone idea would be smart. Problem is, every Android company changes their device design which is why they never can keep up with Apple. If Motorola made the lapdock so the it wouldn't need a tethering plan, I think the Atrix may have sold better AND they could have made a docking tablet and cornered the market. The Atrix (for me) was a great phone but At&t and Motorola hosed it up.
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Unless Asus plans on upgrading the phone each year and keeping it the same dimensions so people can keep the tablet and still upgrade their phones....then I think Padphone idea would be smart. Problem is, every Android company changes their device design which is why they never can keep up with Apple. If Motorola made the lapdock so the it wouldn't need a tethering plan, I think the Atrix may have sold better AND they could have made a docking tablet and cornered the market. The Atrix (for me) was a great phone but At&t and Motorola hosed it up.
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i don't think it's a problem since you upgrade the phone and the tablet at the same time for like 20% price more than just a phone
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I actually just skimmed it from my phone and saw dual core snapdragon and assumed. If its s4 then ya screen res is really its only draw back
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if it wasn't PenTile screen the res wouldn't be a drawback
your thinking is exactly the reason why have to sufer the pain of PenTile screens
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Snapdragon S4 > Tegra 3 and Exynos 4210.
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Wow.
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padfone is nice if you are into "3-in-1" thingy. why own an ultrabook, a tablet and a phone; when you can have all of it in one price/package?
but for me, GNote is good enough.
phone - checked.
tablet - changed dpi to tablet mode. and walla, it's a tablet. phablet? the same.
ultrabook - get some wireless keyboard, and hook GNote to big ass LCD screen...
GNote wins hands down...
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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You never get 100$ for a used nexus one. More like 40~50$. They go new for around 100$
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Thanks for that. So would you choose the One XL over the Galaxy Nexus?
I might not be a good example. After a year with Nexus One, mostly running Enomther's ROM (somewhere between AOSP and CM), and trying some CM7, I grew really fond of Sense, especially after using Sense 3 for a while (running Sense 3.5 on my MT4G now). Stock Android has so many stupid quirks and limitations that I can't stand it. Plus, I completely dislike stock ICS look, it's awful IMHO, and I didn't particularly like Gingerbread either, Froyo was much closer to my taste - and Sense reminds me of it. So I would definitely take a phone that can run Sense ROMs over a phone that can't, but as you can see, it's my subjective opinion.
There is one more lesson I learned from Nexus One: user base counts. With Galaxy Nexus, all you get is a new OS 1-2 months ahead, and relatively small user base - while most likely having devs, but also more likely to jump to another, newer phone quite fast. On the other hand, on One X for 1-2 months delay in OS update you'll get more variants - in addition to stock Sense there will be AOSP, CM and MIUI variants like for any other phone, and most of all - you'll probably get A LOT more users, which eventually equals much better support community. Look at Nexus One development versus the good old Desire. If I'd pick Desire back then - I'd still be using it now.
Seems to me the choice is clear.....lol
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Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
Theshawty said:
Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
This one is for dual core Snapdragon S4, I believe.
I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Because Tegra3 does not play nicely with LTE.
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XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...wtSlotClick=1-007D1Y!903920-1-1&rel=nofollow#
SGS2, $10 if you buy it today, with two year contract. $100 otherwise... Your plan seems silly.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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ray3andrei said:
No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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I also saw pics of a galaxy nexus cooked and all that kitchen stuff i saw PICS only that doesnt prove anything, i own a transformer prime and its really good but it tends to lag when it switches from companion core to the actual cores, i saw benchmarks where the ram in the one x (s4) completely crushes the ram in the prime which is almost impossible because the ram in the prime runs at twice the clock speed. But it is single channel compared to dual channel in the s4 on paper the tegra 3 is faster.. by a lot ...
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ray3andrei said:
Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
P.S. It's funny that you assumed that I "didn't hold the device in my hands".
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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Haha....i didnt say a9 did I, you seem to be really pissed dude... show me a vid where the one x gets benchmarked.. and im not a fanboy.. in fact i like my nexus more than my prime..
On paper the tegra 3 is better and even if it uses arm a15mp core it still wouldn't match sorry im done here
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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If i look at thr quadrant benchmark it gets 8500, on my prime i get 11000.. so the t3 is faster.. sorry
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I would choose the nexus only because of the screen, stock ics, and 1st to get updates, anything else go for the one x regardless of the version you get
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Looking for a fully featured 7 tablet, that I will be using for web browsing, gaming (intense ones ) and studying.
Planning on using this device for a couple of years before replacing I am assuming 3 to 4 years?
Our family currently has the Tab 2 7.0 and I reckon it's a bit sluggish, is the Nexus 7 exceptionally smooth?
Should I get it?
It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
In terms of processing-power it's right up there with the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy SIII, so you're not looking at problems playing games in the near future.
Also, you got an active development community for the device, so even if Google decides to not support the tablet with new versions of Android, you can still keep up to date with what the devs are pumping out.
I've been using mine almost all the time when i'm not sitting in front of my rig, and it has never let me down.
I might say it is likely to be future proof for at least 2 years. It has the hardware, and Google is known to support their nexus line for quite a while. My guess is that it will be in the front line of the upcoming key lime pie update tier.
It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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I know that the new chips introduced at CES 2013 are a few times more powerfull than the Tegra 3. What I ment was that future apps and games will work OK for 2 years. The average life span of a phone and table is 2 years, if it's a flagship device at the time you make the purchase. And the thing is if you fear buying a new device just because it's not future proof, you'll end up never buying anything. 200 dollars isn't a lot of money for what you're getting with this tablet.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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The N7 is faster than a Tab, its processors clock at 1.3 GHz and in terms of build quality i'd say they are on equal levels.
I know there are a few stories out there about screen lift on early batches of the N7, but since I can only speak from personal experience, I can say that the build quality of mine is exceptional.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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You probably shouldn't try to provide an answer when you don't know what you're talking about. The nexus 7 is a 1.2ghz quad core processor, tab 2 is 1ghz dual core, not the same. As for apps Samsung forces on users, there's always plenty of alternatives on the play store.
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CrazyPeter said:
It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
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I hope so. I just bought one off of Ebay and I'm waiting on delivery. I'm a little skeptical of the performance of the N7. I have a SG3 that has higher Quadrant scores, so I hope it has enough processing power to go beyond KLP.
If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
2 years for a 250$ device seems like more than enough to say that it paid for itself. Most probably the games development will skyrocket, better specs will be required, better screens, more storage space. So, as I said, for me 2 years is a good estimate.
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If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
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Greed, that's is what i bought one.
I bought my wife a TF300 several months ago, it is on par with the N7's performance but the N7 cost almost half the price.
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Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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Um. What? It's a quad core 1.3ghz. The companion core is is 500Mhz.
let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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maybe not..
http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/3016117/asus-maakt-tweede-nexus-7-tablet.html
or in english: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130128PD222.html
it depends on when google wil release the next nexus 7.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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Wrong on so many levels. Is this why you wanted to hang out in here even though you don't have a N7?
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cnstarz said:
let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
Miami_Son said:
This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
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i never mention the Galaxy Tab 2 in my post.
It's a Nexus device, so it will be supported going forward for quite a while, and since it is easy to unlock, the developer community will support it for quite a while.
It probably won't be the best gaming device in 2 years, since that pushes hardware well beyond most other tasks, but if it starts to get a bit slower, you can always push the clocks. It seems most of the N7s will push the cores to 1.4 or 1.5 without any issues, and 1.6 is doable for burst before hitting thermal limits, with some chips able to run even faster. The GPU pushes quite well too.
I'd fully suggest one as a reasonably future-proof device. Plus, they'll likely still resell for $50-$100 in 2 years, which means you're paying $50-$75/yr for a Nexus device. That's pretty good.
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
Darren Moffatt said:
Screen Resolution will always have an impact on performance. The more pixels to display, the harder the GPU has to work. Given the note has a significantly higher resolution than the Galaxy S2 while running the same GPU (and pretty much the same hardware overall), its unlikely you'll see the same graphics performance between the two devices.
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vegetables said:
They got the same chipset, and that's exactly the problem, that's why the note is always laggy unlike the incredible smoothness on S2 , you r comparing:
- 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches (~217 ppi pixel density) ~> S2
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- 800 x 1280 pixels, 5.3 inches (~285 ppi pixel density) ~> Note 1
How could the same chipset handle bigger screen, higher resolution and more ppi ?
And even with CM kernel, it even laggs more and more
The solution? ~> buy Note 2 xD
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If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
I was keen on getting Nexus 4 but it's not available in India. Btw, my current phone is Motorola Defy. It's terrible to say the least. All I want to know if it will function lag free in day to day performance and some gaming?
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little-vince said:
Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
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i dont really understand the " buy note 2 " thing. because it has the same gpu as the note 1.
note 1 is still a worthy device to have because at present it can run every app that is in the play store.
but soon it will not be enough.
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rashsalmn said:
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I agree with you up to a certain extent. However I wish to raise the following points-
Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
I don't like the 16:10 aspect ratio
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.
Yes, there will be just one more update to 4.2.2 and then Samsung will drop support.
Out here in India, Nexus 4 isn't even available officially.
@op I wouldn't buy this phone if I were you. Get something from the newer generation or get the note2 secondhand when the note 3 comes out - doubtless there will be more than one idiot willing to throw away a perfectly good phone for the latest and greatest.
However if you want a phone that 'just works' and developer support is important then go for a Sony.
What am I getting ? The next nexus. But that's because I'm a flashaholic !
BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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It will be two years this October....
warfareonly said:
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.!
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I'm not sure that's the case. The Exynos 4 is still in current hardware, such as the S3, Note 2 and Note 8. The Exynos 5 is in the Nexus 10 and is expected to show up in the S4 at some point. All of these devices have a huge amount of aftermarket dev support.
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Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
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Again, we need to compare on price, not hardware specs. I don't know how much the Note sells for in India, but compare that with what's available in the same price bracket. The Note cannot now compete with the latest and greatest, nor the previous top models perhaps, but I'm sure it would fair very well indeed against the current mid-range crop.
As for the Dual / Quad core arguement, check what Anand says when he reviews the Note 8 and talks about Multiview:
Here’s where having four cores actually can make a difference.
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Meaning that in general 4 cores are not really any more useful than 2 unless you have something that specifically can benefit.
wait for note 3
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RockstarGamer said:
For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
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While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
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I M Talking about NOTE II Not Craps with Mediatek Chipsets
IMHO if u dont' already own a Note 1, u should go for the Note 2, or wait for Note 3 =)
♡ for my note. Its my personal computing device and my diary and album
Get any note device and you will be a happy person.
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Will anyone consider the upcoming tab 3-8 to replace your nexus 7? I may as the followings are improvements that I am looking for:
1) larger screen with thinner bezels,
2) miracast/allshare cast support
3) phone call support (don't need this everyday, but great to use as second mobile when on a trip)
4) LTE support
5) microsd (which the new nexus certainly will not have)
But all these will render useless unless the new intel cpu is better than the current tegra 3. Anyone knows anything about this cpu?
Any views and followers?
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yatbond said:
But all these will render useless unless the new intel cpu is better than the current tegra 3. Anyone knows anything about this cpu?
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I don't think the 8.0 with have the new intel cpu on board, only the 10 inch version will have.
It a shame the tab 3 8.0 won't have IR and NFC on board :crying:
It's too slow.
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It's too slow.
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Nexus 7 still doing utterly splendid, thank you.
I'm currently happy with my collection of electronics. Baring any unforseen accidents I don't plan on "upgrading" my tab, phone, laptop or any other electronic for minimum of another year. But when I do my android devices will remain nexus whenever possible.
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I would like to see a Nexus 8. I would like the larger screen, but I don't much care for Samsung's newest tablets with the physical buttons. They are awkward when the tablet is rotated.
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Nexus 7 still doing utterly splendid, thank you.
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I meant the gtab8 is too slow. The my nexus seven and all the rest are still awesome.
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Pretty pricey for minor differences. If you were tabletless and looking, even then, the extra $130+ difference over the N7 is hard to swallow for basically Pen support.
If you are a current tablet owner, the difference becomes more difficult and borders retarded. Unless you specifically are in the market for a 7-8" tab with Pen support, this is a hard sell at that price. If you don't intend on utilizing the pen, you are much better at saving the cash and buying a N7.
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Pretty pricey for minor differences. If you were tabletless and looking, even then, the extra $130+ difference over the N7 is hard to swallow for basically Pen support.
If you are a current tablet owner, the difference becomes more difficult and borders retarded. Unless you specifically are in the market for a 7-8" tab with Pen support, this is a hard sell at that price. If you don't intend on utilizing the pen, you are much better at saving the cash and buying a N7.
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The OP was referring to the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8 inch tablet.....Not the Galaxy Note 8 with the pen. The Galaxy Tab version will be much cheaper. It only has a duel core CPU and 1.5GB RAM.
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All these N7 compared to threads popping up, and to each their own I believe........but.....the N7 isn't perfect perhaps, tho what is.....but for price, performance, support from devs and quick Google updates....the N7 is the best all around 7" and similar size tablet going....and that is very hard to argue.
Nothing wrong with asking about other half size tabs, but realistically .....so far anyway.....none can beat it. Especially that other one people went on about that's a no name tab basically and will doubtfully ever see an official update. And good luck with support if you have problems.
Just saying. Of course the rumored new N7 will probably be better. Acer really got the N7 built ahead of its time. K.....an sd slot would've been nice. Lol
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ncguy68 said:
The OP was referring to the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8 inch tablet.....Not the Galaxy Note 8 with the pen. The Galaxy Tab version will be much cheaper. It only has a duel core CPU and 1.5GB RAM.
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I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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DroidOnRoids said:
I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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Good to know. I only use two cores on my Nexus 7 and it works fine for me. Android really only needs two cores.
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Nexus 7 32gb = 200 euro
Galaxy note 8.0 = 380 euro
So 180 euro voor 1inch extra. No thank you
Edit : didn't know that there would be a 8inch tab 3
DroidOnRoids said:
I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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I think I was reading that the Atom is an x86 processor that "emulates" ARM used for Android. Samsung is getting cheap and using a platform they can market having Android and another for Windows 8. The good thing is that if the devs get it, it could possibly dualboot Android and Windows.
The Atoms were never really powerful but these are the new generation chips. Only time will tell.
As stated earlier this thread is for the TAB, not the 8" Note... which only further pushes me to believe that the N7 is still the better buy, even today.
I actually tried the Asus Fonepad and it also uses the Intel chip but single core. It feels a little slower than n7 but not by much. It runs pretty much all apps including all the games. But it didn't run firefox for some reason. The intel chip is dual thread; so single core acts like dual core...? And the new chip is dual core.... Therefore, I don't think it would be slower than our beloved N7. In fact it should be faster..
And I really want miracast support.
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A review has been posted.
Please check:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-3-8-inch-Review_id3337
Not great but definitely decent. Hard to decide N7-2 or this....
N7 Advantages based on rumored specs:
- better screen resolution
- better processor Snapdragon 600 or S4 pro
- lots of custom rom optimize the device
Tab 3 - 8.0
- bigger screen (to me this is more important than resolution as I don't mind the current N7 screen resolution) with thin bezel
- Phone calling capability
- micro-sd card memory expansion
- Possible split screen multi-tasking (this is also important, as I need to view Pdf and type notes in my meetings)
What is your take?
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I think I was reading that the Atom is an x86 processor that "emulates" ARM used for Android. Samsung is getting cheap and using a platform they can market having Android and another for Windows 8. The good thing is that if the devs get it, it could possibly dualboot Android and Windows.
The Atoms were never really powerful but these are the new generation chips. Only time will tell.
As stated earlier this thread is for the TAB, not the 8" Note... which only further pushes me to believe that the N7 is still the better buy, even today.
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I sincerely doubt it. Google's been building x86-optimized versions of Android for some time, so I can't see why Samsung would shoot themselves in the foot by using an x86 chip to emulate ARM. Especially when we know they're collaborating pretty closely Intel.
In any event, this discussion is moot because by all accounts, the Galaxy Tab 3 8.0 will not be Intel-powered at all.
Also have to look at support from Samsung. How will this be updated are we looking at timely updates or will it be forgotten like the tab2 was. Will it get the new key lime pie is when its released or will it be stuck with jellybean? We seen so many phones that could handle the newer os that came out over the years but the phone makers seem to not want to be bothered with it. Or they drag their feet and by the time the phone gets the updated os its already obsolete. Case in point by the time the HTC thunderbolt got ICS Google was already on 4.2 jellybean.
Why all my devices for now on will be Google nexus devices. Seems to get more quicker updates and they support their devices a lot longer than other makers with their mentality of use it once and throw away for something new.I am happy with my n7 and will use it for either as long as I have it or till it breaks or I give it to my son. I got my son a tab2 and I was disappointed in it. I always heard great things about Samsung devices but that price of crap makes me question Samsung devices for the future purchases I may make.
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I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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yeah probably but the thought of having a dual core compared to the upcoming quad-core tablets that are probably going to have tegra 4, snapdragon 600 800s just makes it seem slow and probably will be.
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yatbond said:
A review has been posted.
Please check:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-3-8-inch-Review_id3337
Not great but definitely decent. Hard to decide N7-2 or this....
N7 Advantages based on rumored specs:
- better screen resolution
- better processor Snapdragon 600 or S4 pro
- lots of custom rom optimize the device
Tab 3 - 8.0
- bigger screen (to me this is more important than resolution as I don't mind the current N7 screen resolution) with thin bezel
- Phone calling capability
- micro-sd card memory expansion
- Possible split screen multi-tasking (this is also important, as I need to view Pdf and type notes in my meetings)
What is your take?
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GET THE N7 2 it will be a beast and have probably tons of devs behind it and who needs phone calling capabilitys.