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Anyone Got A Program To Unlock The Iphone I Need It And Also What Do You Think About Apples Latest Invention Good Bad Or Average I Wanna Hear From Ya!!!!!!
Unlocking iPhones can cause you serious problems.
What have Apple invented lately? Back in the early 1990's they pretty much invented the PDA with the Apple Newton ... oh and more recently they made MP3s popular with the iPod.
What's the "latest invention" that you refer to?
Are you talking about the latest update to thier operating system OSX? That's not an invention, just an update. Microsoft call this kind of update a Service Pack and give them away free to exisiting users. I'm beginning to dislike the way Apple does business quite intensely.
Edit: Oh I get it you mean the iPhone, and the iPhone is not an invention either. It is a very nice smart phone with some PDA capabilities, but it's not what I would call an invention.
has anyone called att for a unlock code they might be nice and give you one LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm a college student and I really like gadget type devices. Do you think the Tilt is overkill for a college student? I know the iPhone is supposed to be the best for college students and stuff, but I don't like the limited nature of apple's products.
Do you think the AT&T Tilt should really be only for professional users, and if so what do you reccomend instead that does have WiFi (a key to my purchase!)
Thanks guys.
redsrule2500 said:
I'm a college student and I really like gadget type devices. Do you think the Tilt is overkill for a college student? I know the iPhone is supposed to be the best for college students and stuff, but I don't like the limited nature of apple's products.
Do you think the AT&T Tilt should really be only for professional users, and if so what do you reccomend instead that does have WiFi (a key to my purchase!)
Thanks guys.
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i guess it's your opion, i'm sure there's plenty who will tell you the Tilt/TyTY II is better for college students, it doesn't really matter what it's suppose to be for it's what you want. All the iPhone really is, is just an ipod w/a phone feature in my opion, how is that the best for college students.
redsrule2500 said:
I'm a college student and I really like gadget type devices. Do you think the Tilt is overkill for a college student? I know the iPhone is supposed to be the best for college students and stuff, but I don't like the limited nature of apple's products.
Do you think the AT&T Tilt should really be only for professional users, and if so what do you reccomend instead that does have WiFi (a key to my purchase!)
Thanks guys.
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If you are a Mac guy than it is hard to go wrong with the iPhone. Just remember it is more of a music player than a smartphone.
Yeah I guess I mean more popular among college students.
I am not a mac guy at all, so that's why I'm thinking about the Tilt. Just wish it wasn't so bulky!
I say go for it if you can get a good deal. it's not over kill if you use it right?
I'm only in high school and i love my Tilt. So it's really for anybody.
I am not a business user at all, although it is a huge help in keeping up with to do lists, appointments etc... It seems to me the calendar functions would be ideal for a college student, to keep track of exam dates etc.
There are so many FUN things you can do with the Tilt too
Mine is full of music, games and other goodies which would definitely not fall under the business category.
The only thing is, I believe the iPhone is more of an as-is type phone. You take it out of the box and you're ready to go. The Tilt, you will want to customize to your liking, which in my opinion is the fun part. And here, on xda you can find so many wonderful threads, and helpful people that you will soon become obsessed with tweaking your phone, lol. You can spend hours on just how you want your Today screen to look, let alone how you want it to function
Besides, the Tilt can do everything the iPhone can do, and more
yea i just got out of hs and i love my tilt so as long as ur not like slow and get complicated easily your cool
i am a college student and i run and manage a online ecommerce business and i wouild say that even if i dididnt i would still love the tilt
haha im actually a college student and i love my kaiser! xD.. im waiting for the qualcomm's drivers for 3d acceleration, u know, games and more.
in my opinion, its for everyone if you like it.. and if you know how to use it xD .. im owner also of a wizard and a shift.. xD..
I'm jobless, hopefully a Masters student by the coming September , and I sue the TyTyn2, I dont have appointments to keep, nor do I use the Document editors etc... Then you might ask what I need the TyTYn2 for? We'll I'm a BE in Mech,aspiring to become a Programmer, hobby programmer at the moment actually, the good thing is I can run J2SE apps on it, theres a C# compiler for it, and its hackable, coming from the Linux(Motorola EZX E6) side of things.
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Akshay
I'm a college student as well and I specifically bought the Tilt for school! It's got wi-fi so I can check email and all of that on campus for free and the 3G if I need some speed to download a file while I'm on BART for school. Also, the calendar options are great! I use it to keep track of projects and class meetings and the like. Office support is awesome too so I don't have to drag my laptop out when I want to work on an english essay for example. I'm currently trying to get a C++ compiler to work on it(getting my AS Degree in CS) so i can do work on the go. Also, in my opinion, Kaiser way better than the iPhone. No 3G on the iPhone, its a closed source system mainly(at the moment at least) and one big disadvantage is no replaceable battery so if you run out or forget to charge it, you're a goner. Hope this helps!
@beret
Going OT for a bit, heres a C# compiler if you need it. Forget where I got it from though . Hope it helps.
i think that having a pda phone is a great thing for a college student. i used to use my phone so much during school, i used to access my schools wifi, download ppt presentations, open up teachers powerpoint slides, send email...and even take notes in MS word. the one thing that i never got around to was buying one of the bluetooth keyboards like the iGo. If i would have had that, it would have made note taking a lot easier. In all honest, my phone was my email/phone/mp3 player/notebook/web browser all in one. Helps keep you organized, and a hell of a lot easier to lug around compared to even the smallest notebook. And really, you still keep a lot of the functionality.
Hey!
If you want to send and receive MMS messages, which can be pretty popular on the college circuit, I'll bet, buy the Tilt as you can't receive MMS with the JesusPhone
The reason I picked the Tilt over the iPhone, was EXACTLY because it is more
geared toward business, whereas (in my opinion) the iPhone is geared more toward multimedia. The iPhone is a great phone, and fantastic at what it does, but, I live & work in a Windows environment, and having pocket excel, word & outlook is a must for my needs.
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as you can't receive MMS with the JesusPhone
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Brilliant. Never heard it called that before.
cincy1020 said:
The only thing is, I believe the iPhone is more of an as-is type phone. You take it out of the box and you're ready to go. The Tilt, you will want to customize to your liking, which in my opinion is the fun part.
Besides, the Tilt can do everything the iPhone can do, and more
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Well, the iPhone has third party software also, very similiar to Windows Mobile, matter of fact it has a wide range of open source software that installs with just a click. It is great if you a more than average phone user, the iPhone is great. It allows customization just like the Kaiser.
But if you want your phone to be an actual PPC, join us here at XDA. I used both phones, I however prefer my Kaiser, because it like the "freedom", I hate apple's unlocking policy, and unrelease SDK.
Well, WM Phone beats iPhone with 3G, and if it applies, a hardware keyboard.
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Hey!
If you want to send and receive MMS messages, which can be pretty popular on the college circuit, I'll bet, buy the Tilt as you can't receive MMS with the JesusPhone
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Well you can send and receive MMS with the iPhone with the help of third party software which is still freeware. I just hate to be bias in helping him decide what phone to get.
The nice thing about the tilt is that you can flash other roms on it and not have to worry about your sim being unlocked or locked or what hacker came out with what app, etc.
The guys hacking the iphone are great but I don't want my phone functionality being dictated by a hobby hacker...I'd rather have my extra functionality dictated by that.
In the current issue of PCPro magazine (UK) the Orange version of the Kaiser is chosen as the best smartphone in a comparative test.
I notice that the test lists the huge range of features that the Kaiser has as a big plus point, plus the keyboard.
Having had the Kaiser now for about three weeks, I am coming to the conclusion that the Kaiser is the technological equivalent of a Spork. A spork is a cross between a spoon and a fork. At the risk of being a little unfair, its not a very good spoon and its not a very good fork, but at least its one utensil rather than two. I wonder if the PCPro guys really tested out all of the Kaiser's functions (such as the camera - slow and no flash); or the video; or the less than intuitive functions, of which there appear to be quite a lot? In my experience, easy to use it ain't (although I admit to being a smartphone novice).
It has occured to me that the Kaiser is probably best suited to techno geeks rather than to your average user. I remember that years ago I bought an Iriver MP3 player rather than an Ipod, because it had more functions. Most of the iRiver message boards were concerned with how best to tweak the player, so that it would be easier to use (as easy to use and as intuitive as the Ipod). Eventually, I got fed up with the iRiver and bought an Ipod.
My conclusion after three weeks is that the Kaiser sells mainly on multi-functionality, whereas the Iphone sells on useability (and looks). As a non-techie (as most punters are) I think that the Iphone would probably have suited me better for internet and email. I hope to change my mind as I persevere with trying to get its various functions to work.
Who are you calling a techno geek?!?!
Oh yeah, that is me in a nutshell!
Thats why i got the Tilt over the iPhone though. I knew that i could customize and do tons more stuff on the tilt over the iPhone...maybe that just means i have too much time on my hands...
ps, i also got an iRiver over the iPod. my reasons were that i could treat it like a hd instead of tying myself to iTunes (i though you can go around iTunes, but thats besides the point).
If you wanted to browse the internet, the Kaiser is the way to go.
3.5G Kaiser v 2.5G iPhone............
rienzi said:
the Kaiser is the technological equivalent of a Spork.
It has occured to me that the Kaiser is probably best suited to techno geeks
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Possibly, as I do like to play with things! I kinda think of it as a Swiss Army Knife. Lots of little functions, and possibly a compromise as a result. Could it have a better GPS, Wifi, etc? Yes, but I bet that would effect battery life. Better multimedia support? Personally, I haven't had an issue with it, but out of the box an iPhone is tied to iTunes (does it have the issues with MP3's and WMA files that iPods have / had?). I like being able to sync my Kaiser with Windows Media player, or just pop my memory card into my laptop and copy over an MP3 manually.
Can I play with my phone, and just factory reset if it needs to go in for repair? Yes. Could I do that with the iPhone? Well, wasn't there that little issue with iPhones getting bricked when applying an official Apple upgrade on certain networks if you had 3rd party apps installed and voiding the warrenty?
You do need to play a bit with a Kaiser to get the most out of it, but this is a wonderful community and resource for doing just that. What are your issues with Internet and email? Have you tried the Opera browser to get around the internet issues? Personally, for sending / receiving email with and without attachments I have no issues. Maybe this is because I am a techno geek and have used PDA's for years. I'm sure that once you get your Kaiser setup the way you need, you'll be perfectly happy. I know that this has been the best 'out of the box' device I have had and any geek stuff I have done is just personal preference, I could have lived without it and not compromised the end result.
who called me techno geek!!?? x3!!
yup the kaiser is more like a swiss army knife x)!
with a world of possibilities!!..
just think a little .. microsoft has more time on the mobile market than apple x)
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Possibly, as I do like to play with things! I kinda think of it as a Swiss Army Knife. Lots of little functions, and possibly a compromise as a result. Could it have a better GPS, Wifi, etc? Yes, but I bet that would effect battery life. Better multimedia support? Personally, I haven't had an issue with it, but out of the box an iPhone is tied to iTunes (does it have the issues with MP3's and WMA files that iPods have / had?). I like being able to sync my Kaiser with Windows Media player, or just pop my memory card into my laptop and copy over an MP3 manually.
Can I play with my phone, and just factory reset if it needs to go in for repair? Yes. Could I do that with the iPhone? Well, wasn't there that little issue with iPhones getting bricked when applying an official Apple upgrade on certain networks if you had 3rd party apps installed and voiding the warrenty?
You do need to play a bit with a Kaiser to get the most out of it, but this is a wonderful community and resource for doing just that. What are your issues with Internet and email? Have you tried the Opera browser to get around the internet issues? Personally, for sending / receiving email with and without attachments I have no issues. Maybe this is because I am a techno geek and have used PDA's for years. I'm sure that once you get your Kaiser setup the way you need, you'll be perfectly happy. I know that this has been the best 'out of the box' device I have had and any geek stuff I have done is just personal preference, I could have lived without it and not compromised the end result.
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yeah, the Swiss Army Knife analogy is a good one. The scissors and screwdrivers never seem to work well, but the knife is a good bit of kit overall.
I really do want to love my Kaiser and am making some progress with it. I can now receive the emails (i.e. those of my main pc email account) but still can't manage to send them. I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
Incidentally, if I click on streamimg media and see the rtsp:// what do I do next in order to get, say a BBC broadcast?
well i constantly sign on aim and u cant do that on iPhone...among other things.
It has it's faults, we all know, but what phone with all these functions doesn't?? OH, thinking about it...no other phone has all these functions in this small footprint!!!
JUst a simple comment...I LOVE IT!!!
Sold two laptops as a result of using this phone and made a profit!!!
Can't beat that...
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion
Top 10 Cell Phone Favorites for 2007 (PC World)
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140584-c,cellphones/article.html#
To me its like the difference between one of those really basic calculators with the really big buttons on the front (iphone) and a full on scientific graphing calculator that does everything (Kaiser). Yes the first one will do for most people and is easier to use, but for anyone who needs the functionality the scientific is the only option
i really do love my kaiser x)...
i had an iphone but.. i gave it to my sis..
its easy to use.. but.. i got bored with the same things allways!!
(youtube, phone, phone, youtube, music, etc)
now.. on my kaiser i have a C# compiler, it is more interesting for mee!
and a lot of games but.. (yup the drivers suck)
now im waiting for those drivers..
i think the kaiser is an amazing FULL Machine.. x)
Best Pda & Best Handheld
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Top 10 Cell Phone Favorites for 2007 (PC World)
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140584-c,cellphones/article.html#
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WINNER OF PDA ESSENTIALS AWARDS 2007 - BEST PDA & BEST HANDHELD
The HTC TyTN II (P4550/Kaiser) was given 9/10 from PDA Essentials with the Editors Choice Award "Quite simply as good as Windows Mobile has to offer, this is a stunning handheld"
rienzi said:
yeah, the Swiss Army Knife analogy is a good one. The scissors and screwdrivers never seem to work well, but the knife is a good bit of kit overall.
I really do want to love my Kaiser and am making some progress with it. I can now receive the emails (i.e. those of my main pc email account) but still can't manage to send them. I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
Incidentally, if I click on streamimg media and see the rtsp:// what do I do next in order to get, say a BBC broadcast?
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That means you are sending via one server but as if from another.
Change your outgoing server to the correct one and use authentification.
To see streaming media, go to the relevant site and click the relevant link
The tilt is meant for geeks. That's true.
I had an 8525. I've never been so impressed and so happy with a phone. I could do literally everything i wanted. Then the iPhone cam out. I love macs, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I was bought by the intuitive browser and phone capabilities.
However, within the 6 months I had it, I felt the iPhone was directing me moreso than I directed the iPhone. I had to type a certain way for the keyboard (which was the weakpt) and had to deal with slow EDGE connections. Also, besides the cutesy programs like the program where you can take a pic and then put pirate hats on them (o wow.), there wasn't really much to offer.
I recently got a Tilt, now I'm wondering - why did I even stray in the first place?
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To me its like the difference between one of those really basic calculators with the really big buttons on the front (iphone) and a full on scientific graphing calculator that does everything (Kaiser). Yes the first one will do for most people and is easier to use, but for anyone who needs the functionality the scientific is the only option
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That is the best analogy right there.
And FWIW, I see no reason to ***** and moan about something NOT being "perfect" None of them are so for the sake of your own health and sanity lower your expectations a bit or you will find yourself constantly dissapointed.
The Kaiser/Tilt is a damn good device that is capable of a whole lot. Which makes it appeal to a very broad base of users Nuff said. You want perfect? Then either customize your Kaiser to fit YOUR needs (and be happy you actually have that option... <cough> iPhone </cough> )
Or design, build/manufacture your own.
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I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
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Yep that would be the case! My ISP is plus.net in the UK for internet and email, my mobile phone provider is o2. Now on my laptop, to send email I use the server relay.plus.net. If I use the same one on the Kaiser (unless I'm on my home network connected via my wireless router) I get that error message. Changing the outgoing to server to smtp.o2.co.uk allows me to send email from the Kaiser when I'm out and about. The incoming mail server never changes. So what you need to do is find out what the outgoing mail server is for your mobile p-rovider, enter that in your settings and you should be good to go!
Liked your extra analogy to the swiss knife thingy, it may not be perfect, but what else has all the features that kinda do the job?
I confess
Yep - geek and proud - reckon the Kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread. Many moons ago the non-geeky devices were known amongst my fellow techies as "tarts' systems" politically incorrect expression now but I've been too long in the business to drop it and I've yet to find a more apt repost to people who denounce those of us with a healthy appreciation of technology as geeks!
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Yep - geek and proud - reckon the Kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread. Many moons ago the non-geeky devices were known amongst my fellow techies as "tarts' systems" politically incorrect expression now but I've been too long in the business to drop it and I've yet to find a more apt repost to people who denounce those of us with a healthy appreciation of technology as geeks!
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I have an appreciation of technology, but I don't think its good for my health! I am one of those unfortunate persons who love gadgets, but often does not know how to get them to work! At the moment i feel like a failed wannabee geek. I spent hours yesterday trying to get my pc email to synch with my kaiser, without success (the t- mobile wizard didn't work for me!). I still can't get streaming video to work either. I too hope to get to the point where I can say that the kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread
ps pat, I'm in Yorkshire too
It works with PCs so I, with no programming knowledge whatsoever, believe there has to be a way to get it to work with our Kaisers.
Is it possible?
most likely it will not be possible.
Why would you want it anyway? There are free exchange services out there that essentially do the same thing.
i like working with large, reputable companies when it comes to my personal data. but i'll look into these free exchange services.
diar said:
i like working with large, reputable companies when it comes to my personal data. but i'll look into these free exchange services.
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What forums are you reading? Large yes, reputable?
Have you read the Apple f**ked me forums lately?
Just loaded the latest upgrade to Leopard, now my computer freezes 20 times a day. Why do non-Apple people assume Apple knows what they are doing? Because they have great P.R. people?
Why even discuss this when it's not even out yet.
diar said:
i like working with large, reputable companies when it comes to my personal data. but i'll look into these free exchange services.
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i wouldnt judge them because their large and that certainly doesnt make them reputable...
Better idea, why not go off other peoples recommendations? For instance, im an avid fan of live.mail2web.com its perfect for personal exchange. and its FREE .... im sure that steve HANDjobs is going to charge you a fee for their service.
Mobile Me for our Kaiser (possilby)
I just finished chatting with an apple rep. I told her that I use a windows mobile pocket pc while my wife uses the I phone...can we both use the features of mobile me on our devices. The reply was Yes.
Of couse as Shogun has stated it will cost. $149.00 for a family service or $99.00 for an individual license.
apple is billing this service as "exchange for the rest of us" so i would imagine that is EXACTLY what they are using, is microsoft exchange, but they are hiding some of the settings from the users so it appears to be some magical new technology that apple "developed"
if we can get a hold of the settings, i would imagine that punching them into activesync would work just fine. besides, how else do we get it to work with outlook on our pc's? SETTINGS! so i'm sure we'll find a way to make it work.
please laugh with me...
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...Enterprises can use a server like Exchange. For everyone else, now there's MobileMe....
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we're "enterprise"... if u wanna be classified as a lemming, sorry i mean everyone else... knock yourself out!!!
i have been using live.mail2web for over a year now and i highly recommend it as a free exchange account!
SIDE NOTE! i have nothing against apple and i'm not a windows freak/fan boy... my main computer is an apple macbook! this is being written on my macbook now! yes... running osx.. sorry but i'm enjoying the best of both worlds! i have vmware fusion running windows xp on the next monitor from this macbook which is flashing my kaiser right now!
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please laugh with me...
we're "enterprise"... if u wanna be classified as a lemming, sorry i mean everyone else... knock yourself out!!!
i have been using live.mail2web for over a year now and i highly recommend it as a free exchange account!
SIDE NOTE! i have nothing against apple and i'm not a windows freak/fan boy... my main computer is an apple macbook! this is being written on my macbook now! yes... running osx.. sorry but i'm enjoying the best of both worlds! i have vmware fusion running windows xp on the next monitor from this macbook which is flashing my kaiser right now!
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Unfortunately, mail2web free service uses Exchange 2003 wich pushes only text mail. Their Exchange 2007 service, comptatible with html is $14.99 per month then $179.88 per year. Apple's MobileMe will "only" be $99 per year... So ???
This is something that just occured to me. Microsoft always comes out with dates for big events and after a few days you also hear Google planning an event on that same day; time and location may vary though. For example; Google released the soo called Motorola Droids the same day Microsoft talked about Windows Phone 8...I think a couple of months ago. Now Microsoft has planned Windows Phone 8 launch on October 29th and as you all know from last week, Google has also planned to release the next Nexus on that same day....Now is this a coincidence or Foul play??
Foul play in a sense to divide the number of techies who will attend these events....as you know these two giant companies don't go along very well (Google being too stingy with Microsoft and even refusing to release offical apps for Windows Phone.....and what pains me a lot is Microsoft always taking care of them by releasing beautiful apps and better servicies to Android)....but this is a different discussion alltogether.
What do you think??
Google hates everything there is to be about ms, cause ms is their prime competitor:
1) Bing -> this search engine is pretty powerful and offers results as good as Google's. A shame it doesn't come in all languages. Google tried several time to discredit bing,
2)Chroome OS-> this is Google's attempt at removing windows from its monopole position over OS. Of course, it failed dramatically.
3) Windows Phone -> Of course Google finds it a threat, a pretty big one. After Samsung lost the battle with apple, Google is kinda scared that their biggest client, Samsung, might go around and make more WP instead. There is also the nostalgic popularity of Nokia, which did come back in play with the Lumia line.
So google does try to minimize the impact of Microsoft over its domains as much as possible. However, from a consumer's point of view, having at least two players that are actually in conflict (Apple vs google does not count, apple does not care about google),is a good thing, so I hope MS will succeed.
These were exactly my thoughts and I think it's clear enough to be known by everyone in the tech industry.
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3) Windows Phone -> Of course Google finds it a threat, a pretty big one. After Samsung lost the battle with apple, Google is kinda scared that their biggest client, Samsung, might go around and make more WP instead. There is also the nostalgic popularity of Nokia, which did come back in play with the Lumia line.
So google does try to minimize the impact of Microsoft over its domains as much as possible. However, from a consumer's point of view, having at least two players that are actually in conflict (Apple vs google does not count, apple does not care about google),is a good thing, so I hope MS will succeed.
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Actually I don't think google finds WP as a threat... Android has a bigger share of the mobile market whereas iOS is slowly losing the pace...all in all while WP is eating on BlackBerry and symbian...
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Actually I don't think google finds WP as a threat... Android has a bigger share of the mobile market whereas iOS is slowly losing the pace...all in all while WP is eating on BlackBerry and symbian...
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....yeah and maybe when WP eats BB and Symbian, they'll grow and attack them. I don;t think Google is looking at the race now but in five years time....where most giants are going to fall since they'll have nothing more to offer. Lets just hope all goes well.
This is a fairly standard industry practice and they all do it to each other whenever possible. No point in singling out any one of them.
Moved to Q&A as this is a question thread.
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mf2112
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The bitterness is only set to grow as MS has just named google in its case against Motorola. Google is running out of friends as they leave there oems open to attack and steal tech without the ability to defend there moves. Google is a vile company Android is a great OS its my second love to WP like a second child but Google over all makes companies like Fox, BP, British Gas etc look like saints
mf2112 said:
This is a fairly standard industry practice and they all do it to each other whenever possible. No point in singling out any one of them.
Moved to Q&A as this is a question thread.
Thank you,
mf2112
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Thanks for the correction mf2112.
Come to think of it, if this a fairly standard industry practice and Company giants all doing whatever (Gorilla warfare) to each other whenever possible, why is Microsoft always kind and releasing apps for them whilst they have never released anything for WP since it came out 2 years ago? Microsoft even planning on releasing Office for Android and iOS in 2013. Is Microsoft afraid? or trying to be a Mother? I understand when it comes to the market size and all about Benjamins, but it should be tit for tat. Microsoft should stop offering them good services if they are not doing same for us.....maybe I'm missing something and you can make me understand.
One will say WP market size is soo tiny that Google refuses to release anything for them...some sort of market demand should be in play...BUT, if you are a big company like Google and really want your services to be popular and widespread (Google+ challenging Facebook), will you think about Market share of a competitor before releasing an app for it? Does Facebook think about market share of a mobile OS before releasing it's app? They just release it no matter what because they want it to be used and popular...more benjamins
Google should just understand that, not all consumers will love their mobile OS but at least one consumer will use at least one of their services. (I for one use Google scholar, Gogle+, Google Drive as a backup to my Skydrive and Google maps A LOT) Why shouldn't I have an app for any of these Google services? Because my beloved WP OS is a competitor with a tiny market share and there's no demand? Why should Google punish me if I'm not using Android OS? and why should they force me to use it? SMH
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Thanks for the correction mf2112.
Come to think of it, if this a fairly standard industry practice and Company giants all doing whatever (Gorilla warfare) to each other whenever possible, why is Microsoft always kind and releasing apps for them whilst they have never released anything for WP since it came out 2 years ago? Microsoft even planning on releasing Office for Android and iOS in 2013. Is Microsoft afraid? or trying to be a Mother? I understand when it comes to the market size and all about Benjamins, but it should be tit for tat. Microsoft should stop offering them good services if they are not doing same for us.....maybe I'm missing something and you can make me understand.
One will say WP market size is soo tiny that Google refuses to release anything for them...some sort of market demand should be in play...BUT, if you are a big company like Google and really want your services to be popular and widespread (Google+ challenging Facebook), will you think about Market share of a competitor before releasing an app for it? Does Facebook think about market share of a mobile OS before releasing it's app? They just release it no matter what because they want it to be used and popular...more benjamins
Google should just understand that, not all consumers will love their mobile OS but at least one consumer will use at least one of their services. (I for one use Google scholar, Gogle+, Google Drive as a backup to my Skydrive and Google maps A LOT) Why shouldn't I have an app for any of these Google services? Because my beloved WP OS is a competitor with a tiny market share and there's no demand? Why should Google punish me if I'm not using Android OS? and why should they force me to use it? SMH
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Well, having worked at Microsoft twice and for Microsoft partner companies previously and currently, I would hesitate at describing Microsoft's business practices as "kind".
It is not that Google doesn't want to offer services to Windows Phone users, it is that they want to do so on their terms. Microsoft would prefer to dictate the terms in such an engagement. Apple dictates the terms for iOS devs and how the apps get distributed in the app store. Oracle tries to control their environment. All companies do this as much as they can, so nothing out of the ordinary there.
Google also has a limited number of developers available to spend on projects and they want those developers to spend their time on the things that are going to be most beneficial (profitable) to Google in the end. All companies have business strategies and different behaviors but in general the profit motive is the driving factor. This is true for Microsoft as well.
Many people use Google's services. It actually is a pretty big thing for many people to at least have them available and by not having them available for WP they can in fact impact the growth of the Windows Phone platform (YouTube being a great example there). So unless Microsoft gains enough Marketshare to make it problematic for Google to leave them out I guess this situation will continue.
Concerning how Microsoft deals with Android and iOS the situation is different. Those two OSes basically own the market. Unless Microsoft wants those users to go with alternative Software they have to have there core applications available there. This means that Bing, SkyDrive, Xbox Live and Office have to be available there. For other Apps they go with the iPhone partly because it was not yet viable to do on the Windows Phone platform (e.g. PhotoSynth) but you will notice that Android is quite often left out or only done quite some time later.
I actually don't see the benefit of hosting those events on days when Microsoft is releasing Windows Phones. The Lumias arguably had more publicity then the lackluster Razr series that left journalists rather disappointed. Also the new Nexus 4 seems to bring little new stuff to the table. If they were to launch a really new version of Android like during I/O or if Apple launched the iPad mini on the same day they actually might hurt Microsoft but with stuff like this they rather risk being second page news themselves.
But we will see what they are bringing to the table this time around.
Kenzibit said:
This is something that just occured to me. Microsoft always comes out with dates for big events and after a few days you also hear Google planning an event on that same day; time and location may vary though. For example; Google released the soo called Motorola Droids the same day Microsoft talked about Windows Phone 8...I think a couple of months ago. Now Microsoft has planned Windows Phone 8 launch on October 29th and as you all know from last week, Google has also planned to release the next Nexus on that same day....Now is this a coincidence or Foul play??
Foul play in a sense to divide the number of techies who will attend these events....as you know these two giant companies don't go along very well (Google being too stingy with Microsoft and even refusing to release offical apps for Windows Phone.....and what pains me a lot is Microsoft always taking care of them by releasing beautiful apps and better servicies to Android)....but this is a different discussion alltogether.
What do you think??
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The Galaxy Nexus was unveiled by Google on October 19, 2011.
So ,I think this year just the same.
mcosmin222 said:
1) Bing -> this search engine is pretty powerful and offers results as good as Google's. A shame it doesn't come in all languages. Google tried several time to discredit bing,
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They've tried to point out before that Bing is ripping off Google search results and they have some very compelling evidence that this is the case:
http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914
http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html
I thought this was pretty much accepted as common knowledge now... unless you have another explanation as to how Bing returned the same results as Google after the Google experiment?
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They've tried to point out before that Bing is ripping off Google search results and they have some very compelling evidence that this is the case:
http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914
http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html
I thought this was pretty much accepted as common knowledge now... unless you have another explanation as to how Bing returned the same results as Google after the Google experiment?
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As if google doesn't use all kind of software to see what you are looking for on the web with other search engines.
It is just that they never did something against any other engine because Bing is the only real threat.
I agree
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mcosmin222 said:
As if google doesn't use all kind of software to see what you are looking for on the web with other search engines.
It is just that they never did something against any other engine because Bing is the only real threat.
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That's a diffferent tangent from what youj quoted. Using other engines search results is weak. Seeing what other engines come up with is smart.
Since you said bing is a threat, how is that so ?
Aside from that the Bing Bar looks at all Search-Input fields and reports what search parameters made people end up at certain sites. Therefore if you enter "HTC Titan" in the Search-Box of the XDA-Developers Forum Bing will take that one up too and report back which topic of the presented list you then chose (given that if you search for something and then select a certain result it is highly likely that you thought it was relevant in the context of your search).
It is one of many signals Bing relies on in it's rankings. But given that the search term only appeared in the tests of Google's team it was the only hint available for the search. This still is not copying of Google's search results at large.
The search engine discussion is somewhat offtopic here - don't you think?
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