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Swap&bootloader

I know all you have heard about the milestone lockedbootloader issue stopping us from getting a swap space. But I don't understand what is it stopping people from unlocking the bootloader. Is it as simple as getting a key? And would a motorola employee have access to it?
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Please just google this. There is a lot of information on this already. I suggest this topic be closed.

But will a Motorola employee have the key to unlocking the bootloader??? That's my question and I've Googled this topic plenty. I'm not stupid
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There is a huge chance mate!
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choudu1, join Andoinc

Cos I know a few people who work at moto but they are hardware engineers. I'm gonna check to see if they know any of this
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choudu1 said:
But I don't understand what is it stopping people from unlocking the bootloader. Is it as simple as getting a key? And would a motorola employee have access to it?
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For our freedom...
- replace the bootloader itself with an unlocked version suitable for milestone (no one knows if this piece of code even exists)
- the private key for signing custom images which would allow to work in harmony with existing bootcode (this key for sure exists)
Perhaps you might join an internship at motorola
Good luck!!!
scholbert

choudu1 said:
Cos I know a few people who work at moto but they are hardware engineers. I'm gonna check to see if they know any of this
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Usually, decent companies have the keys stored in a safe place and those can't be accessed by employees, they only have means to access it remotely to request something to be signed by that key. In that safe place, that could either be owned by the owner of the key or leased in some specific digital security company (like Verisign), security measures are taken that only few people have access and those are properly identified, so, any leak would be easily spotted and that person would be charged.
But, is Motorola a decent company? There is always some hope that they have the signing application lying around in a network share that is not logged, but, I would imagine if that was true, that piece of software/keys would already be released by someone.

Hmm. Maybe ill tie a moto employee to a chair and beat the bootloader keys out of him :L
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Potential source of an unlock

Read the post at the url below. It describes how to get updates from Motorola cloud servers. It might be useful in getting unlocks for other phones. Please spread the word to anyone interested in an unlock for Motorola Android phones with Blur.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1164582

Link doesn't work
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Here is the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1164582

Once we get root this will be huge. Until then we need to remember this trick
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you can see all the Motorola cloud stuff by going to testing and Motorola services. *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer gets you to testing. Don't know if this has any usefulness to it just thought id share.
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Not much on the dialer trick
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I hope root comes for the phone soon, the amount of VZW crap ware is crazy.

Has anyone tried z4 to see what happens?

I'm sure it doesn't work cause if its that simple we would be rooted
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all of the available root options have been tried by various members of this forum and others as well. its probably going to be a while before we get root.
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Time is what it takes, and it has to be made worthwhile for devs to spend their time on it. ICS is coming and lets face it many will be looking to that as the next great frontier.
I know from various forums that with the confirmed members who will put up enough coin a ambitious dev would get enough to easily pay for a D3.

Can the Droid 3 be used on T-Mobile if unlocked or rooted? I ask because I noticed a SIM card slot. Thanks..

So I called the number off this link below and they claim they can unlock the Droid 3 for AT&T and it would work on 3g. Also, they can do the same for T-Mobile but it would only work on Edge. Can anyone confirm this? Has anyone dealt with this site before? Thanks.
http://negrielectronics.com/motorola-xt860-droid-3-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html

so i dont know but ive been derpin around and noticed a couple things....first off apparently there is a sdk that has been updated for the droid 3 over at MOTODEV site....i was looking through some settings and enabled data encryption which required a boot into some sort of recovery where the internal disk obviously allowed -rw access inwhich i was wondering if it would be possible to dump this process through ADB (maybe find handshake)....and a simple ls command thru term reveals bloatware galore

Have we looked at te exploit that the nexus users are using? They can root 2.3.3, 2.3.4, and now 2.3.5. Seems we should use their exploit if possible
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http://forum.rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=2007
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nerdslogic said:
Have we looked at te exploit that the nexus users are using? They can root 2.3.3, 2.3.4, and now 2.3.5. Seems we should use their exploit if possible
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Unlocked bootloader makes rooting easier. What works for them (unlocked) will not work for the Droid 3 (locked bootloader).

androidowns said:
So I called the number off this link below and they claim they can unlock the Droid 3 for AT&T and it would work on 3g. Also, they can do the same for T-Mobile but it would only work on Edge. Can anyone confirm this? Has anyone dealt with this site before? Thanks.
http://negrielectronics.com/motorola-xt860-droid-3-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html
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They say it's the XT860 which is technically not the droid 3 but the non CDMA version of it being deployed by Bell Canada (which should be easy enough to unlock for AT&T and T-Mobile)

dilwaala said:
They say it's the XT860 which is technically not the droid 3 but the non CDMA version of it being deployed by Bell Canada (which should be easy enough to unlock for AT&T and T-Mobile)
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Unless it's like the D2G, in which case it's locked from AT&T-Mobile.
Protip: call VZW Global Services and tell them you're going to India (no global plans over there - you have to either not use your phone or rack up a giant bill) and ask for the SIM unlock code. Account has to be in good standing and the device has to be on your line.

If you have 6 months of good standing you can just ask for an unlock with no reason given.
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Is anyone going to develop custom ROMs for this phone?

If I'm not mistaken, the Bionic has an encrypted bootloader. Will there actually be a development community behind this phone?

According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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Beamer9408 said:
According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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P3Droid (who is the man) has the deodexed dumps already.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...id-bionic-system-dumps-partial.html#post99195
I'm sort of waiting to see if the Droid Prime is vanilla or not. Maybe by then the Bionic will be cheaper and I can compare the two. I imagine the CM team will develop for this beast.

Beamer9408 said:
According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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The bootloader is not unlocked. It is unlockable if the carriers allow it. And that is the question "if"

esocid said:
P3Droid (who is the man) has the deodexed dumps already.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...id-bionic-system-dumps-partial.html#post99195
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Thanks for posting that.
Just so nobody panics my ROM & kernels listing will be up by Saturday. Hopefully by then we'll at least have a few ROMs out.

Beamer9408 said:
According to a developer on the mikmik forums the bionics boot loader is unlocked and the system dump has been rooted.
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Okay I am confused, I just picked up the Bionic today and i'm coming from an iphone so bear with me on my droid stupidity. you said the bionics boot loader is unlocked which is a good thing to load custom roms and then....
trentreed said:
The bootloader is not unlocked. It is unlockable if the carriers allow it. And that is the question "if"
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you say its locked & unlockable if the carrier allows it, but the HTC Thunderbolt's boot loader is unlocked, so shouldn't this one be as well? All I know is that there is a crap ton of software that I do not want and would like to remove in the future.
Again I apologize for my question but having 2 people saying 2 different things to someone new like me just confuses me.
Should I return it and get the tbolt so i can get some cm7 roms, or will this have them in the future and should i wait it out?

sLpFhaWK said:
Okay I am confused, I just picked up the Bionic today and i'm coming from an iphone so bear with me on my droid stupidity. you said the bionics boot loader is unlocked which is a good thing to load custom roms and then....
you say its locked & unlockable if the carrier allows it, but the HTC Thunderbolt's boot loader is unlocked, so shouldn't this one be as well? All I know is that there is a crap ton of software that I do not want and would like to remove in the future.
Again I apologize for my question but having 2 people saying 2 different things to someone new like me just confuses me.
Should I return it and get the tbolt so i can get some cm7 roms, or will this have them in the future and should i wait it out?
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Moto's had a nasty habit of locking bootloaders, which prevents custom kernels from running.
HTC did for awhile, but got some sense and knocked it off. Samsung doesn't lock theirs.
Even if Verizon does permit unlocked bootloaders, Moto still has to implement it. And if they don't, well, we're out of luck until they either change their policy or someone figures out how to get around it.

HTC has publicly stated they are only unlocking bootloaders of phones starting with the Sensation and the EVO 3D and forward; this doesn't include the Thunderbolt.

Berzerker7 said:
HTC has publicly stated they are only unlocking bootloaders of phones starting with the Sensation and the EVO 3D and forward; this doesn't include the Thunderbolt.
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yet we can unlock the tbolt easily.

I sure hope so! Can't wait and hope it develops as the Inc forum has

the unlocked bootloader is a deciding factor in me getting this phone, I have hopes that a developer can get it. God knows how long it'll take if they do actually approve the unlock for it to go through, could be 6-8 months.

The Bootloader doesn't need to be unlocked for custom Roms.
I have one waiting in the wings for Bootstrap to be up.
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DroidTh3ory said:
The Bootloader doesn't need to be unlocked for custom Roms.
I have one waiting in the wings for Bootstrap to be up.
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Yeah I know but you won't be able to flash kernels or radio's. That really is a big help to improve performance and battery consumption.
If I can find one cheap enough I might jump in before then

POQbum said:
Yeah I know but you won't be able to flash kernels or radio's. That really is a big help to improve performance and battery consumption.
If I can find one cheap enough I might jump in before then
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Agree completely.. at least overclocking should be possible. Even with the debloat and the few tweaks I have made now, the phone doesn't hiccup. The damn thing is a powerhouse, when we can start digging inti MEM and RAM settings I can see some great potential. At least until the bootloader gets unlocked.
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People are working on getting 2nd init working on the Bionic. Can't give too many details yet...but it could be coming...

Berzerker7 said:
People are working on getting 2nd init working on the Bionic. Can't give too many details yet...but it could be coming...
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yeah! paypal ready and waiting

Keep me in the loop on that please
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How the hell do I get rid of the bloat in this phone? I just rooted
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Tommymac1039 said:
How the hell do I get rid of the bloat in this phone? I just rooted
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Just use titanium to freeze or remove.
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Tommymac1039 said:
How the hell do I get rid of the bloat in this phone? I just rooted
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well you can wait for theorys rom to come out... or if you can't wait use titanium backup.. and freeze the apps.
that will get them out of your system ... and best if yo want to go back just unfreeze them.

This is where moto stands on its updates

http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57374053&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266
Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I don't reckon most Droid 3 owners give a **** about ICS on their phones, nor do they have any clue what it even is. That is a shame though, because for Android enthusiasts like us, it is a big deal, especially when we are running ICS on it already and it makes MotoBlur look like the old LG Env interface.
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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I'm still running the alpha 6 and all seriousness if it weren't for a few things I would swear it was better than alpha. If motorola only knew what a pure ics experience was like on their hardware they could easily bury samsung and the crap nexus they released.
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davwman said:
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57374053&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266
Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I compared the hardware specs between XT860 and Galaxy Nexus and the only differences I really saw was that we only have 512mb ram. Same GPU almost the same CPU, I think moto is buying time so Goog can save them
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jckeyser said:
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.

doogald said:
Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.
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I think hashcode will get us ics long before moto does
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He already has. And Beta is right around the corner.
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How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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Well, that too.
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volcanomike said:
How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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I doubt that we will ever see bootloaders unlocked on our current phones. I suspect that it could not be done without sending the phones back to Motorola and having them replace the "one time" programmable firmware. Why else would having a Dev Razr be useless for unlocking other Razrs. I think the only way we would ever be able to put anything we wanted on these phones would be if Moto released their encrypted key so that the phone would accept it. FAT chance of that happening, but I bet that hasn't crossed anyone's mind at Moto. Maybe we could suggest that to them.
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The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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Here's some good news though
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...n-of-motorola-to-clear-as-early-as-next-week/ Hopefully this will get something done and some good progress made.

nice!
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Good. Motorola actually has some nice hardware now but they suck with software it seems.

davwman said:
The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?

Reminds me of h4ck1ng t3h g1b50n

Hack the planet!
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ratman6161 said:
OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?
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With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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Endoroid said:
With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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But I used to run custom kernels on my Droid 1 too. I was running CM7.1 with a Chevy#1 (think that's what it was) kernel which was what let me use Set CPU to overclock. Is that not loading a "custom kernel"? Or was the boot loader unlocked on my Droid 2?
I'm not criticizing or saying anyone else is wrong - I'm just trying to understand what the differences are between what I have been doing and having a true "unlocked boot loader". What are the things that would allow me to do that can't be done now?

droid 1 is the only true unlocked bootloader moto phone with the exception of the atrix, which was accomplished with many many hours of work.
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Locked bootloader?

Hello! I'm currently switching phones, and i wanted to ask you if the droid 3 had a locked bootloader? That could b e a complete drawback for me, as i like to tweak my phones very heavily. I looked up online, and i saw that an unlock tool has been planned to be released, but i can't find if it has.
Thanks for your answers, and if it is unlocked, see you soon on that forum!
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Yessir it does have a locked bl, however we do have a large number of roms
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Ok... sorry for that, but then i won't get that phone... good luck with your devices!
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Moto has talked about releasing an unlock tool but are failing to live up to their promise. As mentioned above there are probably about a half a dozen or so roms available, however no custom kernels. We also have overclocking and voltage control available. Some people have managed up to 1.3GHz. We also have ICS in alpha stage, nearly at beta.
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