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http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.
if you can wait, wait for the supersonic.
otherwise it is really a matter of preference. my brother has the moment. he loves it because of the keyboard. otherwise the processor may be snappier but i can't tell a difference...
he doesn't run any roms, nothing worthwhile out there. And I am running 2.1 already thanks to our great devs.
For me it's really a matter of cost and time. I really need new phones and the time it takes to get a healthy discount on a 2 yr contract could be months from now.
The Processor in the Moment would come in most handy (I would think) in future Android updates; flash if it hits; and certain apps, etc.
But if there's not pushed updates to Moment, then it's totally dependent on the community and i don't think it's as strong as here, or rather it's in a much earlier stage...
I see there are two forums but upon initial investigation, I don't see these ROMS viable as day phones, more for testing and development
http://www.samsungmomentforum.com/rooting/?PHPSESSID=8c9ead9a3ee984137fea7bf4b21ad46d
sdx-developers.com
In any case, I don't want to deviate too far into Moment in a predominantly HTC board, which brings me back to my initial questions regarding how update cycle/process works here. Wondering what base platform devs work from, and if anyone cares about the potential 'official' 2.1 update and whether or not that changes a thing here.
Thanks in advance.
maybe this will help....
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hakujin said:
http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.
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Personally I hated the moment, felt like I was carrying an Abrams Tank in my pocket, and its kind of ugly. But the HUGE issue I had with it was battery life. Litterally only got about 5 hours of LIGHT use. and only about 12 hours IN STAND BY! We had two seperate moments with 4 batteries and the ALL did that. Not to mention the OS feels so heavy on it and it is vanilla as possible. Now given they are supposed to release a "Moment2" that has an ASTC TV Tunner built in, but really? Do you want to carry around an antena and watch OTA TV on a 3inch screen? Come on. Ok, So it has an AMOLED screen and the Hero doesn't...bfd the Resolution is the same, you just have more colors...again do I need to bring up the 3" screen? Your not watching High Def movies on this thing.
When typing the moment can't keep up when you use the on screen key board, you really have to use the hardware keyboard even for short texts.
Onto the Hero:
We have fully working 2.1 Roms now, given they are buggy. Most of these guys will have it figured out in a week or so for a fully functional less buggy than Sprints 2.1 ROM. Personally I am still running 1.5 just because I don't see anything that 2.1 brings me that I can't live with out. And Ill be damned if im using a password to get into my exchange email everytime.
Read the article. I saw two issues.
1 - is Sweden CDMA?
2 - the Swedish release doesn't have to impact ours (US).
But then what do I know.
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A member of Swedroid received a reply from HTC Sweden with another date! They state that the Android 2.1 is expected sometime in April but this release is not set in stone.
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Samsung has great hardware, but they've historically SUCKED at providing firmware upgrades, and are infamous for hacking proprietary, undocumented extensions onto ancient firmware... then refusing to tell anyone how it works. Ask anyone who ever owned one of their Sprint PalmOS phones (SPHi300, SPHi330, SPHi500). The end result (at least with their PalmOS phones) was a phone that couldn't run most new mainstream software (because they were at least a whole version behind), but developers couldn't even write apps that took advantage of the phones' native features because they were all undocumented and incompatible with Palm's own official way of doing it.
Put another way, don't even THINK about buying any Samsung Android phone that's not already rootable and shipping with 2.1, because community-built new releases are the only upgrades they're ever likely to see. The Moment will probably get 2.1 eventually due to pressure from Google, but I really think that will be the Samsung exception rather than its new future policy.
The Cupcake ROMs are very mature and good for essentially bug-free daily use.
The Eclair ROMs are just starting (I mean, the last 2-3 days) to get there. Both of the good ones (Flipz and Danger) are still a bit buggy. Danger appears to be, at the moment, the one farther along (I think Flipz is on vacation) and might just be good enough for daily use. Definitely not quite 100% though, as it's still a Verizon ROM and missing a couple of things like Visual Voicemail.
I came frfom a Moment, let me tell you to each his own. If you prefer a hardware keyboard, and better colors, get the moment.
If you don't mind the virtual keyboard and want to be able to flash 3-4 times a week from development community, get a hero.
The Moment currently ONLY has a cooked kernel to flash that was made by someone who started at samsungmomentforum.com and moved to sdx-developers.com.
With the CL14 kernel update the battery drain issue was solved, after putting on that update I would get a day and a half on my phone with light use, it has vanilla android with no extra interface options, which could be a plus or minus on which way you look at it.
I enjoyed my moment, but was left "wanting more", so I traded it for a TP2, which has a huge development community. The TP2 left me "wanting more" because it couldn't do the things that Android could, so I traded it for a Hero and now I am completely happy.
To each his own, sir..To each his own ;]
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way too be a ****
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way too be a ****
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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.
Wait for the Supersonic. Upgrade deals will come and go, that deal doesn't even sound that good to me.... your phone has made it this far, what's a few more months (hopefully... )
You will regret it if you don't once that phone comes out.
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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.
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Made me laugh... And was helpful! (thanks for making my day)
Go for the Hero.. you will love it!
I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
If you like the phone you have now and want something with a snapdragon processor, then you obviously have to wait. I honestly don't see what difference a faster processor is going to make when it comes to the overall use of the phone. The 2.1 ROM's that are out now are so insanely fast that a faster processor would be overkill for the general use. It would certainly help with some of the processor intensive apps/widgets, but for general functions, I really don't think it'd make a huge difference.
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There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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That is my thought also. And frankly, my fervent prayer. I'm due for upgrade in December, and I'm hoping the Supersonic will be fully rooted and kickin' 3G butt by then, lol!
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I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.
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Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.
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you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)
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you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)
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Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.
scriz said:
Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.
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Yeah...see I didn't know that.
I'm on the 129.99 Unlimited plan x2 lines. I guess that qualifies me, assuming I don't drink all my money away and can't pay the bill.
I guess I will requalify around the begining of december. Good thing too, cell phones don't usually last me more than 7 months or so. They habitually end up in the toilet.
thank you so much folks! You have a been a world of help in final decision... I too feel the moment is too big, and realize samsung's lackluster handset support in updates over the years... i am definitely getting myself a hero.
funny that one or two of you mentioned battery life. I was reading a very verbose conversation on that on the moment board just yesterday between engineers but thought it was related to cooked roms. this concerns me now as wifey likes the hw keyboard of moment and she's also not a tweaker so cupcake/moment will do her just fine, even if eclair doesn't make it. She simply needs pictures, video, and mobile access to facebook for android and a decent browser as well as gmail, google calendar and such and she's golden; prettiness of gui is not a concern. But this battery problem is in the stock Sprint 1.5 Roms? She would not dig 5 hrs of battery life and I'd therefore have to waste the $35 fee in getting her over to another phone!
Say it ain't so! Does this affect all stock Moments if so?
Also... this Sprint Premier... is the reason for getting it similar to TEP i.e. upgrade options faster? What are the perks and is this a request i need to make?! More details please! I'm coming off 4 years of T-Mobile (although had sprint prior to), and am looking at the $129.99 Everything Messaging (unl. data, text, mms) - 25% monthly corp. discount so ~ $97/mo before taxes when all said and done. I would like to transfer asap as our phones are ancient; plan sucks @ 700 min (although very cheap at ~$52 before taxes/fees after discount); 2 years of contract doesn't bother me so much, but if I see the potential which happens from time to time (ETF change recently) I'll jump at breach of contract and void my contract. However, I don't mind not having a snapdragon at all. It's more important to get TX numbers (for discount and lower taxes/fees) before moving west. Frankly, I've been putting of the upgrade for far too long, invariably waiting for something better, or that next great thing. I was going to go HTC TP2 because of the excellent support from this community in the past, but w/ the announcement of win 7 and tegra and the cost of the tp2 i changed my mind.
Thanks!
Is this phone and company worth switching over too ? Do to Sprints changing my plan without my approval,I have the opportunity to switch to another carrier.Out of the other big 3 Verizon,T-mobile & AT&T is the only one that is willing to put their offer in writting to me. The other reason I am even looking at this phone and company is because both of my sons want the IPhone and my wife only wants a phone offered by them as well..
So..please fellow XDA members tell me staright up..should I stay with Sprint and my Hero for 1-1/2 years more..or start fresh with this phone and AT&T..
Mac
50 views and not even 1 response..?
Is there no one on-line that has this phone wanting to step up and answer the question ?
I really would like to know the feelings of the folks here,since those that have this phone also have AT&T's service..
Mac
Not an easy one to answer really. I would say if you are completely turned of by what Sprint did to you then changing wouldn't be a bad thing. Going with AT&T will get you points with your family. And who couldn't use more points with their family, right?
That being said, you have by now undoubtedly heared about the GPS problems facing the Galaxy S phones. Some have found their phone is better with different versions, some claim all the updates and changes have made their GPS unuseable. If you are in need of a phone that has good GPS then I would say you can find better. Personally, the GPS issue isn't a deal breaker for me. I am also one of the lucky ones that find it works fine for how I use it.
The phone itself is amazing. Being on XDA also helps as there are many helpful and informative people. Also, the Captivate has been out long enough that the mods are becomming better and better every day, that is if you are into modding your phone. Heck, stock it still is a good phone.
So it all boils down to what you really want to do. I think that is why you haven't had anyone jump on giving you an answer. Good luck my friend!
There is no "right carrier". The advantage of AT&T (now) is coverage and GSM. AT&T has better coverage then T-Mobile, but about equal to VZW. GSM allows you take your phone to Europe - VZW CDMA does not;
But the future brings change - VZW has a slew of World phones coming out (they have GSM as well as CDMA) - VZW has LTE coming out - which is supposed to be a global standard - so travel issue may be a thing of the past.
AT&T has the iPhone today, but rumor says a CDMA iPhone on VZW for the holidays. But rumors are rumors.
I don't know what you are looking for in writing - all the carriers plans are on their web site. T-Mo does have the best customer service, and VZW has some great android phones. If you don't travel much, and T-Mo has good coverage where you live, they seem to have the best prices and some of the best phones.
AT&T is fine too - not trying to steer you away. I moved to AT&T for an iPhone years ago - and I travel to EU; so VZW wasn't cutting it.
Anyway If the family wants AT&T and the price for phones and service fits, then make the move. But you are stuck for 2 years.
Sounds like it's 3-1 in your house. I'd go ahead and make the switch if thats what your family wants. I don't think you'll be worse off with one carrier over the other, at the end of the day they will all screw you. Captivate is a great phone if you can deal with the sometimes difficult to deal with GPS.
I agree. Go with what makes your family happy overall. The Captivate is a fine device, and I've been much more pleased with it than I was with my iPhone. Talk it over with your family, putting them first won't do you wrong.
My first phone was from Virgin Mobile and was prepaid. I know they leased out network access from Sprint. It was awful. I never had good coverage, and then they started charging more for everything. I left them.
I've been with AT&T now since 6th grade. They've never screwed us over, they've always been helpful, and whenever we've had problems, like my sister signing up for those joke things they advertise on tv putting huge data charges on our bill, they cleared it up right away and even gave us a credit on the account.
Of course you're going to hear horror stories of bad customer service from everyone, but really it's not all that common. I've always thought AT&T had great phones, and they've all last me a long time.
My favorite phones have always been Samsung ones as all but one of my phones has been from them. My first was a Sony Ericsson S710a and it lasted me until one day I was sliding it open, and it slipped out of my hand and into a wall and the LCD shattered. After that I had a Samsung a727, then the SGH-i607 Blackjack, then the SGH-a877 Impression, and now the Captivate.
You will be happier with AT&T then with Sprint. But ultimately, you pay the bill and you decide where your money goes. I'll just add that I don't usually praise any company for no reason.
I love this phone with ji6 gps works completely fine for me it does what its supposed to every time lately gets me there no issues. Im very happy with att besides they make you pay for tethering, but theres ways around that with this phone, hehe ;-)
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Thanks Guys..
I hate spending a-lot more money so soon on moving my service (since may 2010)..but I really don't know how I could stay with them.
As to any cell company posting their policy on line..well..that can and does change (with Sprint almost daily)..and actually having a written signed contract is something the other companies won't do,AT&T will.That does a lot for me..and for my wife peace of mind.My boys have wanted the I phones for sometime..I don't want one..which is why I am asking about the Captivate. BTW...Sprint elected to change my verbal contract given to me at the time of signing..and I fought it the best I could without turning my Lawyers loose..and I most likely would have won,but the cost to do so would have been prohibitive without a written contract,or so what they told me when I spoke to them about it..
So..the phone has a GPS problem..and that isn't a deal breaker for me,but I do want to see it fixed and soon.Having a 2.2 rom is what I am running on my hero now along with one of the best looking themes going right now IMHO..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=797077 and so hopefully we can get this ported over here at some point..even if I have to learn how to do it myself
FWIW..I looked closely at this phone and also the Ios4 and hands down this one blows it out of the water on anything video..I stopped by T-Mobile and watched the HD Avatar movie on their version when I was looking at what they offered...It was just awesome..simply jaw dropping..
I am looking forward to the 2.2 upgrade and what comes after with it..So..I will be on here more and more reading what I can..
Thanks Again
Mac
Mac, just a heads up. The leaked 2.2 rom we have actually fixed the GPS. There's no real problem anymore. Obviously it will become more refined when the final release comes out but it definitely works now.
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stuffy is a difficult company but I can't feral with poor service so I disk with them. get used to advanced features like tethering being blocked and such. but you can fix that by looking in the dev section. att isn't all bad though mostly because they are stupid, I told them verizon had a 15% vetrans discount (they do) and asked att if they had something similar. well they didn't but the customer service rep put me on an active duty discount because she didn't know better. it needs to be approved at a higher level with pics of my id and a valid military email according to there website, well I put the papers in anyway and had 15% off my bill the next month. so they obviously don't look at it.
verizons version of bloatware is full blown add ware. if you plug an incredible into a windows pc it hijacks explorer and goes to a v cast music site. on the fascinate they replaced the google services with microsoft services.
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I think it's refreshing to see all the honest answers, not a ton of chest pounding "our phone is the best" posts. Most people on XDA by nature are into tweaking so the out-of-the-box limitations aren't a showstopper.
For me, I really need a world-capable phone. My family also is on ATT so that helped as well. I think all the carriers are converging on offering similar product. ATT has less HTC stuff but has the IPhone. ATT is currently behind on Android, but the Captivate is certainly helping to address that. I like the phone and have recommended it friends. Go for it.
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Mac, just a heads up. The leaked 2.2 rom we have actually fixed the GPS. There's no real problem anymore. Obviously it will become more refined when the final release comes out but it definitely works now.
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Cool..that is good news..
Thanks
Mac
I will give my two bits. My experience has been good with att. Cs has never been bad, but at times there were moments that did not go smoothly. Always quick to address concerns of mine and they love giving credits out to keep me happy. I have been one of the lucky that never had major problems out of the box with the captivate. But coming from a storm running on atti think my standard were lower. Gps on froyo still doesn't work perfectly but has had improvement with locking and tracking. Dev support is actually really good so that is a big plus. My wife loves her captivate and she is not a techie at all. Hope my input helps.
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I will give my two bits. My experience has been good with att. Cs has never been bad, but at times there were moments that did not go smoothly. Always quick to address concerns of mine and they love giving credits out to keep me happy. I have been one of the lucky that never had major problems out of the box with the captivate. But coming from a storm running on atti think my standard were lower. Gps on froyo still doesn't work perfectly but has had improvement with locking and tracking. Dev support is actually really good so that is a big plus. My wife loves her captivate and she is not a techie at all. Hope my input helps.
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It does,and greatly appreciated..
I understand the gps issue,and I am wondering if the delayed release of FroYo on this phone is partly because of it. Rooting and adding on customs roms has been working great for me on my Hero..and that phone is finnally acting the way it should have all along. Removing AT&T's bloatware will be my first priority after 2.2 is released..
I am curious about one thing..I know you can't load 3rd party apps unless rooted and a custom rom..but can you direct push them with the sd out of the phone and in a reader from a pc ? If we are working out of windows and a terminal..we should be able to insert any .apk or what we want.. anywhere we want..can't we ?
Thanks Again Guys
Mac
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I think it's refreshing to see all the honest answers, not a ton of chest pounding "our phone is the best" posts. Most people on XDA by nature are into tweaking so the out-of-the-box limitations aren't a showstopper.
For me, I really need a world-capable phone. My family also is on ATT so that helped as well. I think all the carriers are converging on offering similar product. ATT has less HTC stuff but has the IPhone. ATT is currently behind on Android, but the Captivate is certainly helping to address that. I like the phone and have recommended it friends. Go for it.
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Same here..I know folks have their favorites and also know there will always be folks that have problems..but it is refreshing to see a honest straight forward discussion with out any of the fan fair these types of threads always seem to degenerate into.
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I am curious about one thing..I know you can't load 3rd party apps unless rooted and a custom rom..but can you direct push them with the sd out of the phone and in a reader from a pc ? If we are working out of windows and a terminal..we should be able to insert any .apk or what we want.. anywhere we want..can't we ?
Thanks Again Guys
Mac
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You can push them using ADB or even easier, if you google something called the "Android Central Sideload Wonder Machine" or just sideload wonder machine, someone created an app to so that you don't even have to use the command prompt or hack the phone. No need for a custom rom, and I don't believe rooting is needed.
Here, I'll link you to it.
SIDELOAD WONDER MACHINE
I made the switch you are thinking of about 1.5 years ago and I have no regrets. One thing to keep in mind is the data cap ATT now has on their new subscribers. I signed up when unlimited was an offering, and honestly I don't know that I would have been comfortable using 1 smartphone, let alone 3-4 of them with limited data usage. ATT also had better coverage where I lived last year but would say Sprint is on par within the city limits now. The Evo is a really nice phone (Several people I know have them and are pleased) but I won't go back to Sprint after all the horrible customer service I had with them for 8 years. My local ATT business rep does an incredible job and is a big reason that I just renewed with them(they let me keep unlimited data). Ultimately, if I was in your shoes, I would probably do what made my family/wife happy as long as it isn't going to cause financial heartache when you exceed the data limit. I think they charge in blocks of 200mb for overage but you should definitely look into how much data your family has/will be using. My .02
Edited to add: Depending on what kind of user you are (business/personal) you might want to leave that cog. 2.2 alone until it works. I loaded it last weekend, went out to a job, and was unable to d-load an important pdf that was in my e-mail. Fortunately I had a laptop but in the past I would have been able to count on my phone for a quick blueprint reference. Sounds like it may be a fun thing to play with as long as you don't REALLY need everything on your phone to work. Also, the GPS was horrid on cog. 2.2. Needless to say I flashed it back to the original software when I got home. My GPS works just fine after the JH7 OTA update was installed. Worked yesterday on a 2 hour drive where I only had phone coverage for 20-30 miles. I haven't "tweaked" the GPS settings, just whatever they changed with JH7 is working.
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I made the switch you are thinking of about 1.5 years ago and I have no regrets. One thing to keep in mind is the data cap ATT now has on their new subscribers. I signed up when unlimited was an offering, and honestly I don't know that I would have been comfortable using 1 smartphone, let alone 3-4 of them with limited data usage. ATT also had better coverage where I lived last year but would say Sprint is on par within the city limits now. The Evo is a really nice phone (Several people I know have them and are pleased) but I won't go back to Sprint after all the horrible customer service I had with them for 8 years. My local ATT business rep does an incredible job and is a big reason that I just renewed with them(they let me keep unlimited data). Ultimately, if I was in your shoes, I would probably do what made my family/wife happy as long as it isn't going to cause financial heartache when you exceed the data limit. I think they charge in blocks of 200mb for overage but you should definitely look into how much data your family has/will be using. My .02
Edited to add: Depending on what kind of user you are (business/personal) you might want to leave that cog. 2.2 alone until it works. I loaded it last weekend, went out to a job, and was unable to d-load an important pdf that was in my e-mail. Fortunately I had a laptop but in the past I would have been able to count on my phone for a quick blueprint reference. Sounds like it may be a fun thing to play with as long as you don't REALLY need everything on your phone to work. Also, the GPS was horrid on cog. 2.2. Needless to say I flashed it back to the original software when I got home. My GPS works just fine after the JH7 OTA update was installed. Worked yesterday on a 2 hour drive where I only had phone coverage for 20-30 miles. I haven't "tweaked" the GPS settings, just whatever they changed with JH7 is working.
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Dam good advise..Thanks
They charge in 1 gig allotments for overages now..not 200 mb. I too was worried about doing just this..and this is per line..not per plan. I went back through all of my bills and no-one has even come close to 1gig..let alone 2 gigs..but I understand that can change too.
The main thing for me and my family is getting a phone that is going to work..every time. I've run into some issues with mine on my job where I needed it and something crashed it. Also it's so tiresome for me to hear all the complaints and moaning when something crashes or FC's on their phones..I can deal with it happening on mine cause I am used to tinkering with it..but I have to say I am very tempted some by the I 4's simplicity...it would be nice just to not have to worry about updating mine almost daily,and just use the durn thing. I just don't know if I could deal with it or not as a day to day phone. I am at a loss in that regards..I know you can jailbreak them and do similar things we do with our Androids..but..I don't know enough about that to even consider doing it right now. I most likely would just so I could download apps and movies on it to watch from my pc..I got a week to figure this all out..and you all here are helping a-lot..
Thanks
Mac
I honestly liked the iphone4, and had one for a week. It was fun and all, but it had the same problem as my 3G, the ability to make and MAINTAIN a phone call. Obviously that isn't much of an issue for younger kids since you can still text with spotty coverage(my 13 yo uses about 60 min. a month and 1,000,000,000,000 text messages) I don't know if the iphone is somehow on a different signal than the other phones, but I have been very pleased with the PHONE CALL ability of the captivate. My wife loves the iphone (though she keeps eyeballing the captivate now) and like you, I do not enjoy fixing problems, so I have tried my best to keep her interest in my phone at a minimum. I can honestly say I do not miss the iphone for anything. I also enjoy the *cough cough* wireless tethering of my captivate(free app) that iphone never did get right(and when it did work, there was the whole loss of signal issue). The iphone is good at running apps and texting, outstanding even. I just really need to make phone calls and MAINTAIN a call when I make it. But like I said in my previous post, if your use is personal, iphone might work. If you make important calls, it fails.
I got an iPhone 3G in November of 2009 (On contract) and last September I got my SGS (New off of Craigslist). I keep seeing these new and better phones coming out in the near future and I am saying to myself.
"Self, you want one of those phones".
Examples of said phones:
Galaxy S 2
i997 Infuse 4G
Optimus X2
Optimus Black
Anyway, do you get the newest thing out there or do you stick with one phone for a while?
$500-$700 is a lot to spend on a phone every year, but I love the newest gadget
If it works and does what i want then every ten years or so .
jje
for me, it is every time there is something better for my carrier 1700+2100 AWS, which usually there are not many
I usually hold as much as I can, usually it's 2 to 3 years so I can have the contracts promo's and rebates.
My last one was the good ol' HTC Vogue. Even tough HTC wasn't supporting the device since a while, XDA Devs was and I was running latest android built on it.
Since the popularity of the SGS is pretty more than the HTC Vogue, I assume we'll get amazing support from the comunity also! So I don't think I'll change until another year or two!
I must be sick or something. My SGS works great (Stock JL2, no lag fix, no custom kernel, only rooted). But I still have this little thing about wanting the newest and best.
What will the new Galaxy S2 (Or any listed phone in the OP) have that my SGS doesn't? 4.5" screen, faster CPU (By only a small bit), more MP camera, a flash? Do I really need these things?
Maybe it's a disease or something. Why can't I be happy with what I have? Maybe a woman would help? Anyone know one available?
Ian
The phone revolution has finally come to the U.S. so things will have to change...
Before all phones were crappy so it didn't really matter...now every 6 months a phone that was once new will be old news and the new ones will be must haves...
This has been the case in europe for years and so service providers can't force customers into 2 year contracts like here...most contracts are 12 months(and you can upgrade to a new phone practically free in 10mnths) and just to get people into 18 month contracts they have to offer great incentives...hopefully that will become the case here..
But to get to the point..with phones finally getting better you do feel the need to upgrade all the time...don't get carried away...think of it like with a new tv..new ones..bigger ones, faster response time, more color,3d, internet apps,usb ports...they keep adding stuff making you want the latest and the greatest...you don't need it..you want it...but don't need it...
See what your phone has..how you use it and evaluate of it meets your needs...granted now you are using it for a lot more stuff than before...gps, internet searches, facebook updates etc...suit down and think what you use your phone and if it lacks in any department...make a note of all the areas where you would like improvement and then start researching which phone would cover those specified areas..don't get carried away by features that seem cool but once you have them you will not use...(video calling for example..it is a phase..just like it was in europe and it went away fast..not everyone has it here..its not cross platform...ie pc to phone...and it telies on spotty 4g coverage or wifi..). Once you know what you need and find which phone had that...get that phone and stick with it...
I bought the g1 when it came out because I knew I would love android..I was right..after having it for almost two years I found that it was lacking speed due to cpu and lack of memory for installed apps...granted I was using apps2sd to over come its issues but this was a bypass got an issue that was there...i researched and found that the vibrant had exactly what I needed..1ghz cpu and 16gb internal memory for apps and storage...i was right..with nero v5 rom on it and an 8gb card it is amazingly fast and it does EVERYTHING I need...i don't need anything now for a long time...i want the new stuff..i don't need them...now I will wait for a phone that comes with honeycomb and performs well with it...it will be at least 6 to 8 months before I see something worth investigating which will be near my upgrade time so I don't have to spend too much money to get it (i got the vibrant for 99 bucks through amazon wireless with a2yr contact...)
Patience, good research and will power are all key...
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"Wish in one hand, **** in the other. See which one gets filled first."
Lol, wish I had every new one that came out
But I renew my phone once every 2 years.
@Ian/w98seng, nope it doesn't change much with a woman around either!
I have a Nokia 6120 Classic right now from 2007 I think , but I LOVE SGS. Hope to get one as soon as possible with a contract. I didn't know about SGS 2, which is nice
Either when something better comes out or when O2 offer me an upgrade
Pretty much only upgrade when my existing contract expires and I get a discount on a new phone
OK, I'll be patient and wait a couple of yeas before I get another phone. It'll be hard and I'll cry a lot, but I'll be a good boy and wait. (Maybe)
you know you can SELL the phone, and upgrade to another phone....
that's what most people do to keep up with the latest and greatest
sell it meanwhile it stills hot (6 month to a year)
then upgrade to the next phone will not be as painful
it's like leasing a phone
you pay a $100 give or take every 6 mth to get a better phone
My job allows me to change the phone every year and I think its an ideal duration to play around, fiddle and poke around in a phone, especially when my company pays for it But exceptionally, Galaxy S keeps surprising me every now and then keeps me busy. Its like a woman, once you conquer it you will get over with it and get bored of it BUT not yet!! Unlike iPhone 3GS where I was looking to move on after 4-5 months.
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rajuki said:
Its like a woman, once you conquer it you will get over with it and get bored of it
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I hope no female board members see this.
Run rajuki, run.
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I hope no female board members see this.
Run rajuki, run.
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"Rajuki has just left the building!"
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AllGamer said:
you know you can SELL the phone, and upgrade to another phone....
that's what most people do to keep up with the latest and greatest
sell it meanwhile it stills hot (6 month to a year)
then upgrade to the next phone will not be as painful
it's like leasing a phone
you pay a $100 give or take every 6 mth to get a better phone
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How do you get a new one every 6 months for a100?
With a2 year contract?
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I hope no female board members see this.
Run rajuki, run.
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They get bored of us too you know...
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w98seeng said:
OK, I'll be patient and wait a couple of yeas before I get another phone. It'll be hard and I'll cry a lot, but I'll be a good boy and wait. (Maybe)
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Wait until your plan allows you to upgrade at low cost (usually after 18mnths on t-mobile) and go for a phone that had honeycomb and decent hardware to run it...I'm thinking 6-8 months from now there will be enough info on the models that are out to make an educated purchase..
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I must be sick or something. My SGS works great (Stock JL2, no lag fix, no custom kernel, only rooted). But I still have this little thing about wanting the newest and best.
What will the new Galaxy S2 (Or any listed phone in the OP) have that my SGS doesn't? 4.5" screen, faster CPU (By only a small bit), more MP camera, a flash? Do I really need these things?
Maybe it's a disease or something. Why can't I be happy with what I have? Maybe a woman would help? Anyone know one available?
Ian
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The current rumor on the sgs2 is 1.2 ghz cpu, 8mp camera with lcd flash, capacitive touch screen,2.3 gb on it, fm radio with rds,hdmi output, 16gb memory,ffc....
if you have have the current vibrant I suggest trying nero v5 with voodoo lag fix.. ka5 with proper flash support...it will completely changer your phone experience...trust me...make a nandroid so you can give it a try and if you don't like it...restore...it feels like a new phone...search for sbg.v2.4 from jdan as well and that will make it even better...
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Thanks for all the feed back. I will probably wait till my contract runs out before I get another phone.
harpocrates I'll give Nero V5 a shot, thanks.
Ian
Hi guys,
I am ready to finally get rid of my tmobile wing! I finally made my decision to go with the international version of the SGS. Well, almost, I do have a few questions to owners and US users in particular:
- I would like to know of really bad known issues of the phone. Every phone will have some issues, it is a given, but what I am talking about is issue like the captivate where a lot of people have random shutdwon of their phones. I would like to know if there are any similar issues with the SGS that will prevent basic operation of the phone ( I know about the gps, and I am fine with this problem)
- How is reception, drop calls and call quality on the ATT network, and if someone is in FL, please tell me about your experience.
-I am aware of the fact that the phone has only 1900 Mhz band but I have been looking everywhere for a map that will show where the 850 vs 19000 3G areas are and I cannot find one! so if someone knows where to find one please a link would be great.
Thanks so much in advance for any input.
sure there are owners who can answer at least the first question. Please!
You need to wait for USA ATT owners to read your post .
jje
JJEgan said:
You need to wait for USA ATT owners to read your post .
jje
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Well, I would think any owner could answer my first question. that would be helpful, to make sure I am ok buying the phone. I am in a dire need of a new phone as my current one is falling apart. So if anybody who knows about this phone, it would be nice if they could chime in.
Thanks in advance!
I can't really answer anything about the reception on AT&T, but the problems with the phone there are lockups. It can freeze. But if you flash a custom ROM onto the thing, it runs like a dreaaam.
I have been bugged by the lagging on the first week i got the phone. managed to apply the lagfix and seem to be doing great so far. I'm planning to wait for official gingerbread from kies. Still afraid of flashing though.
Yeah dunno much how to answer your questions tho. but yeah, SGS is the best phone yet i ever had.
I've got the international i9000. From last August till now, I haven't had any problems. I put this down to 2 things, one good fortune ,and secondly it's unbranded and unlocked from new. The phone has gotten better with each firmware upgrade and now on 2.2.1 even if gingerbread wasn't coming my phones just fantastic and it's quick. The phone apparently can be rapid when its on gingerbread listening to the lads on XDA and some say it takes care of the only thing Ican say negatively about the phone, which is the battery life, and personally, (The lads on here probably know better.) I put that down almost entirely to system spyware,as three hours of internet knocks mine down to 48%, and even with all syncs turned off and all apps taken out except the sammy key board every so often all the g***l* stuff restarts itself in one form or another and you can see the little green and red data arrows active. AS a phone, I believe with this next official update coming, allowing for the gs2, allowing for it not having a camera flash, this is the best phone money can buy, yes there are dual core phones, yes a few more pixels, even yes, I'll probably at some point get the sg2, but not because it's needed , it's just what we do, after all we come to this site with the others because we like phones. Hope this helps in some way.
If you read around the forums, you'll find a lot of great things about this phone. I couldn't be happier with mine really. Reception is never a problem for me though I'm in Canada. Some people claim they have GPS problems, but there are several fixes that can help you improve/overcome those problems. They claim are that they can't lock enough/any satellites on their GPS system to get a reading, but after using GPS test app to learn a bit about the best way to detect a signal it works like a charm for me . You won't regret it, although I would probably look into a SGSII if it were me.
If you are going to be on AT&T why don't you buy the i9000m
Most of the issues in the phone have been down to bad firmware by the carriers and also a silly design decision from Samsung with regards to file systems on earlier firmwares.
Running 2.1 firmware the phone was slow as heck and my GPS which was set to Autonomous mode would take sometimes up to 5 minutes to get a fix. A simple setting change gets GPS lock within a few seconds. Also with each firmware release the phone has gotten faster and faster.
Also if you're a tinkerer then this phone is a dream. It's hard to brick, often recoverable if you make an error, and some of the well tuned ROMs on these boards are absolute rocketships for speed.
Thanks guys! You gave me great input. I will have to make a decision, but this will help me greatly.
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If you are going to be on AT&T why don't you buy the i9000m
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Don't they have a problem with this phone on some interal SD card failure? Is this something that only applies to the I9000m and not the international version?
Free ram available in this device is quite low, I had an European hd2 with 448 mb ram but it always had more free ram than my i9000 which has 512mb(almost double)... more free ram means it can do multitasking better, apparently do not need to be closed ects
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Just found a SGS I9000T on amazon for $445, do you guys think it is a good deal?
While everyone is waiting for their phones, I thought I would start a thread where we could just talk without worrying about going off-topic. If you want to talk about how other phones compare to the Sprint HTC One, rant about rotten fruit and the vegetables that use them, etc, than this is the place.
Just please remember that all of the forum rules still apply here though.
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Hi everybody, I am one of the mods on the team, welcome to the forums. If you post a question thread here in the General forum and notice it is missing, please check the One Q&A forum and you might just find it there.
If you posted a placeholder thread simply to gain thanks for doing nothing, you might have to keep looking...
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So what phones are everyone going to be coming from? I'm happy to say I won't be using my Nexus S 4G anymore. The thing was great for the time, but it's definitely showing its age now. Actually being able to take advantage of Network Vision now is gonna be great as well.
will be coming over from the evo lte.
EVO 3D. It is a solid phone but ready for something new.
Biggest worry with this phone is going to be the camera and how hard will it be to get working on ASOP or CM ROMS. This was the biggest frustration with the 3D. Finally they got the camera working but without 3D which I am fine with.
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EVO 3D. It is a solid phone but ready for something new.
Biggest worry with this phone is going to be the camera and how hard will it be to get working on ASOP or CM ROMS. This was the biggest frustration with the 3D. Finally they got the camera working but without 3D which I am fine with.
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The camera on the 3D was difficult to get working because of the drivers needed because there were two cameras. If there is only one I think it would have been more straightforward as Sensation never had quite that difficulty.
Hopefully this means devs will not have as much problem with getting the camera to work on Non-Sense based ROMs.
I'll be coming from my good ole GNex. I always try to buy a new phone every year around my birthday. GNex was last year, Evo3D before that, and OG Evo before that.
Coming from EVO 3D. My battery barely lasts 1/2 a day without actually using it. It will literally be at 20% from fully charged within approximately 4-5 hours without using the phone. At all. For anything. It wasn't as bad when it was new, but it was never good to begin with. It also heats up quite a bit which was really nice when it was cold. Now that Spring has arrived, I really don't want hot pants. I know the HTC One's battery ain't great, but it's gotta be better than the EVO 3D. I know I could just get a new battery or look for which one of my 200 apps I've installed causing the drain, but then I saw the HTC One...
Anyone else keep checking their pre-order progress? I click on my Newegg Wireless (Simplicity LLC) confirmation email for my Black 32GB like 4 times a day to check on the status.
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The camera on the 3D was difficult to get working because of the drivers needed because there were two cameras. If there is only one I think it would have been more straightforward as Sensation never had quite that difficulty.
Hopefully this means devs will not have as much problem with getting the camera to work on Non-Sense based ROMs.
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Yeah, this is what I am hoping for. When the One first was announced, I was reluctant to go that way because the camera seemed like it might be a hindrance again.
I have heard people say that HTC is going to try and release code quicker which should help as well.
to recoup some cost of buying fullprice >.> i sold my e4gt on glyde for about 170. I'm thinking i underpriced it cuz it sold in a matter of hours
If I can somehow talk myself into buying off contract and pay the full price I'll be coming from the EVO 4G LTE. Still mulling over it; $549 is a lot of dinero.
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to recoup some cost of buying fullprice >.> i sold my e4gt on glyde for about 170. I'm thinking i underpriced it cuz it sold in a matter of hours
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I had a G-NEX for a few months before switching over to my Fiancee's account on Sprint (Figured I would cut down on monthly costs) and at the time the only monetarily valuable phone was the iPhone 5... I've been patiently waiting for something to come out and so I finally sold that and Pre-Ordered yesterday.
Right now I am using my fiancee's EVO Design 4g and I am going crazy with how slow it is. I just installed Evolvr Rom with an older kernel and overclocked it to 2ghz... hopefully that will hold me over until this comes out next week, but my fingers are still crossed for early delivery.
Coming from the EVO 4G LTE :good:
Will be switching from my trusty Samsung Epic 4G! I'm so excited to finally get rid of that darned physical keyboard...
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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You don't have to worry about pulling the battery if you no boot or bootloop. There is a hardware key combination that phones with non-removable batteries use to force reset. This is hardwired in not software.
Joshmccullough said:
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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No big deal with the non removable battery. Iirc power and volume up and down simulate a battery pull at least on the Evo lte.
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Joshmccullough said:
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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I had the same worry. Similar experiences with the SD Card. Forget to dealt the right file in the bootloader menu it was very easy just to pull the sd card and delete the file.
But I also think this is where the industry is going and I like the look of the phone too much to go to Samsung. Just can't enjoy TouchWiz. While i tend to have CM or ASOP running, I do enjoy Sense as well. Nice to have options. So I figure it is time to learn a new way of doing things.
So, I checked with Best Buy and, while they won't match the pre-order price at Sprint (full device price, not upgrade price), they will match at release date. With that being said, think Sprint will retain the existing price at least 1 or 2 days after it's released? I'd hate to spend the inflated BB price to lock in the pre-order only to be unable to get that $150 refund.
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Getting One tomorrow (can't wait) and i will, of course be rooting it and flashing a customer rom. However I can only find topics the AT &T and Sprint version in the main forum index page. I live in the UK, and please forgive if this is stupid question, but is there a developed for the UK version?