I guess this thread is inspired by the fact that, right after paying $650 to get an unlocked XT860 shipped to me from Canada, I started reading about the MyTouch 4G and some other models.
The MyTouch 4G, despite having the most effeminate and possibly even borderline creepy name I could ever dream up (they should have just called it the MyDelicateCaress 4G while they were at it), it seems to have a somewhat better screen (except in in full sunlight of course, and it's lower-res too), a slightly inferior keyboard, and a slightly worse worse battery life; none of these are a issues when you consider that the MyTouch 4G is only $350 or so, maybe even cheaper.
But enough about the MyFondle; That's not what this thread is meant to be about. Moreso than a debate between D3's and MT4G's, this is really meant to be a discussion detailing the stance of the D3 as far as where it stands in comparison to the other phones in its league (league referring to generation, physical size range, processor details, etc.), including the Galaxy S II, Epic 4G, etc., as well as comparing their various available current-gen processors and graphics chipsets in terms of power consumption, raw speed/benchmarks, and special attributes (meaning certain abilities/optmizations/extensions that allow for better handling/acceleration of specific things such as Flash, certain video formats, or 3D).
Like for instance, I notice that many phones in our native OMAP gaggle seem to be sporting the Cortex A9 4440 or 4460, or even the 4470; do you think our 4430 hinders us significantly?
And, like everyone, I've always wondered about the D3's graphics performance versus the sheer retard-strength of the iPhone.
I'm also wondering, in our pursuit of a physical keyboard, are we allowing Moto to bone us a little as far as making concessions on the specs of our phones in exchange? Do these minor concessions cause us to lag behind?
Very interesting post..... coming from a Droid Incredible, the speeds seems about the same. However, I will say this, Motorola UI slows down the phone a lot more as compared to other UI, such as Sense. The processor isn't the problem, it is the UI slowing it down. That is why the iPhone is so fast, it has a simple UI.
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Very interesting post..... coming from a Droid Incredible, the speeds seems about the same. However, I will say this, Motorola UI slows down the phone a lot more as compared to other UI, such as Sense. The processor isn't the problem, it is the UI slowing it down. That is why the iPhone is so fast, it has a simple UI.
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Hmmm... As a side-note I definitely plan to root my D3 and run that de-bloatware script I've been hearing about, but is there a good ROM, or maybe a rooted option to shut off Motoblur in order to speed up the performance?
I'm increasingly convinced I bought the best keyboard-equipped phone on the market (not that it's going to matter in a year or so when the 2.5GHz quad-core/128GB/Android 4.8 "BananaBread" DROID4 5G comes out, but it's still nice to bask in the glow of having top-of-the-line Android gear, even if it's short-lived).
Anyone else have any comparisons, technical or experience-based input?
A lot of people are very pleased with the few roms we have, MonsterRom and SteelDroid being our heavy hitters at the moment, but we also have darkdroid and narcotics just hitting the scene. I've been running monster for a while now, and the way I describe it, is wicked fast. Comes with the stock android launcher, though I use Launcher Pro, which itself is much faster than motoblur. Give some of the roms a try, see if you like them
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If it wasn't for the crappy bloated Motoblur interface and skinning, the Droid 3 would have been the best qwerty phone out today.
BTW, I used to own the T-Mobile G2 and it's keyboard is exactly what the MyTouch 4G is based on. The T-Mobile G2 has better click and response. The MyTouch 4G keys are indeed smaller than the G2 and definitely flatter. The only upgrade is the LED indicators for Shift and Fn.
The MyTouch 4G's keyboard is not slightly inferior. Rather, it is a huge disappointment.
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A lot of people are very pleased with the few roms we have, MonsterRom and SteelDroid being our heavy hitters at the moment, but we also have darkdroid and narcotics just hitting the scene. I've been running monster for a while now, and the way I describe it, is wicked fast. Comes with the stock android launcher, though I use Launcher Pro, which itself is much faster than motoblur. Give some of the roms a try, see if you like them
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I think this pretty much sums it up.
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Performance Anxiety
I had the verizon XV6700 with Windows 4.5 OS..or something. I spent a lot of money on that phone ... it was a painfully slow, quirky, dial-up speed browser. I used it for a month then gave up in anger/frustration and got an LG w/keyboard. I had to wait 2 years till the D1 came out, which did everything I expected from their advertised of the XV6700 to do and more. I bought the D3 a couple months ago. Did not activate, but waited for root. Rooted and debloated I ran a Quardrant score of 2411. Smartbench score of 3590. Thats 1037points below the Galaxy S2 1.5ghz. Thats also w/motoblur. Hopefully we'll be able to double the speeds like my OG D1 did from 550ghz to jdlfg 1266ghz (1100ghz daily driver). My i7 1.7ghz Alienware with ThrottleStop 3.0 OCs to about 3600ghz. I'm expecting the dual core phones to clock high w/minimum problems. I think I made the best choice, of course untill proven wrong. You may want to try V6 SuperCharger scripts from zeppelinrox. Follow instructions to the letter. It rocks!
...but don't forget, according to the OP, you have the XT860 (like me), not the D3. Very similar, but besides the root and recovery, there are no ROMs to speak of.
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The only phones that are currently out with the OMAP4 all have the 4430, exactly what we have. Clock for clock, the Exynos and OMAP4 outperform all the other chipsets, especially the Snapdragon, which uses two last gen Scorpion cores, instead of two Cortex A9 cores. When clocked at the same clock speed, the OMAP4 and Exynos perform almost identically, with the OMAP4 actually having a slight advantage.
And when you look at a phone like the Optimus 3D, with an 800x480 screen, the SGX 540 actually outperforms the Mali 400 in the GS2. Yes, the GS2 does better than us in GPU benchmarks, but you have to remember that the resolution is much lower-800x480 vs 960x540.
So don't sweat performance. You have what is arguably one of the best performing handsets at the moment, and if Moto ever unlocks the bootloader, custom kernels will really make it fly.
...And I don't suppose Moto would ever really be Motovated to unlocked the bootloader, would they? No gain in it for them I guess, huh? There's no way anyone can crack it due to the..? What? Firmware, encryption, whatever? Bummer.
But it's good to know we have awesome hardware at least. I didn't realize the OMAP platform had come so far since my original BlackJack II with its OMAP1 220MHz single-core procesor.
Well, as can be seen at the link below, our Droid3's outperform both the iPhone 4 and the HTC Thunderbolt when it comes to loading web pages, although the iPhone 4 scrolls smoother (probably due to its simplified, quicker UI). I don't know how it will stand up against the new dual-core iPhone 4S though... 0.o
DROID 3 vs HTC ThunderBolt vs Apple iPhone 4 web browsing comparison
The iphone 4s' dual core doesn't improve its performance very much at all, since none of the pther hardware changed.
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The only thing holding the D3 back imho is motorola and verizon(in my case) software.
Runs fast and smooth with steeldroid so far
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I keep hearing about Steel Droid; how difficult would it be to get it running effectively on an XT860? The XT860's hardware must be very similar to the XT862's (aside from the signal band/antenna hardware I'm guessing), correct?
Steel droid is really good, though I haven't tried it since the new version was released. But you would have to talk to chevy about porting it to the xt860. He might do it if you can get some people to donate
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Problem for porting to xt860 isn't donations, its the fact that right now there is no sbf, so if there's a problem with the flash, your SOL. It's the same reason there wasn't a whole lot of development for the droid 3 till we had a working SBF method.
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Hi guys..
I sad Google developed 2.2 to improve snapdragon cpu and becuase of that the benchmarks shows 3X faster cpu on nexus,
will work 2.2 on galaxy like nexus ? or not for SGS cpu!
at all what you think about power of CPU/GPU in SGS on 2.2 ?
Is nexus cpu better than galaxy on Android 2.2 ?
The Galaxy's CPU/GPU is the best on the market right now and with 2.2 it should fix a lot of software problems with the SGS.
Actually can't wait for 2.2, and it's released around about my birthday!
When is your birthday
22nd September mate. You can buy me a Galaxy S as a spare if you want
well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If froyo on the SGS sucks, then the chefs in here will cut it open and make it run properly and it won't matter what the FW was like when samsung sent it out. Also, TouchWiz is fine, even if it does have a dumb name.
I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
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Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
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Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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From what I've seen and read, the 2.2 builds for the Galaxy S do NOT have a JIT compiler enabled which explains the lower scores. The N1 got the huge CPU boost from having JIT enabled. That doesn't explain the Droid X's scores, but then again I haven't read enough about 2.2 running on the DX to see if it has JIT installed.
What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )
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What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
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I would wait at this time before purchasing an SGS if that's your concern.
Out of the box, the current phone/software is laggy and disappointing. If you're willing to hack it with some of the various fixes found here (I prefer samset with mimocan kernel), then you won't be unhappy with the phone, but there's no guarantee that Samsung will get FroYo right, and that if they do get it wrong that the devs here will be able to bring you a hot, non-laggy, super FroYo ROM before there's better, or at least comparable hardware done right by the manufacturer available.
That's no reflection on the devs here at all, I'm just thinking that Samsung won't release the firmware until the end of September, the devs will need a couple of weeks to make magic at least, and so now we're well into October. By October, the SGS will be a six month old phone. Six months is a very long time in the Android hardware world, and we'll likely see a landslide of new phones with faster CPU, maybe even dual-cores in the fall for the holiday season. The only thing the SGS will have over other phones at that point is the Super AMOLED screen by Samsung, since they're holding it all to themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if Moto or HTC try to kang the iPhone display tech for newer models if they can't get Super AMOLED for themselves.
In the android world it is nearly impossible to but a device that won't be out of date within at most a year and sometimes within 6 months.
Having said that, I don't see anything that will topple the sgs quite that soon. Although there is talk of dual core snap dragons, there has been nothing announced yet, and indeed the two new Desire handsets are still on the same chip.
I wouldn't expect to see anything that will have more raw power than the sgs until at least mid 2011. If there was anything closer than that it'd already be getting hyped.
If you keep looking at what is just over the horizon then you won't end up ever getting one, because there always seems to be something new out in a few months time. The sgs isn't prefect, but it beats the hell it of most anything that you'll be able to buy this year.
My humble opinion of course, but I think that if you want top end hardware, the sgs will serve you very well.
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Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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The hummingbird core is widely recognized to be faster than the snapdragon core. Benchmarks do not tell you everything. Reference:
You might think that the Hummingbird doesn’t stand a chance against Qualcomm’s custom-built monster, but Samsung isn’t prepared to throw in the towel. In response to Snapdragon, they hired Intrinsity, a semiconductor company specializing in tweaking processor logic design, to customize the Cortex-A8 in the Hummingbird to perform certain binary functions using significantly less instructions than normal. Samsung estimates that 20% of the Hummingbird’s functions are affected, and of those, on average 25-50% less instructions are needed to complete each task. Overall, the processor can perform tasks 5-10% more quickly while handling the same 2 instructions per clock cycle as an unmodified ARM Cortex-A8 processor, and Samsung states it outperforms all other processors on the market (a statement seemingly aimed at Qualcomm).
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 7 million triangles/sec
Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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You can't really say froyo is over hyped, I mean its free, and beyond that its an incremental upgrade.
I don't see why anyone would be staying on eclair once official froyo drops, and you can't deny that it will bring a performance boost.
Now I doubt it will bring quite as much of a boost as it gave to the N1 until we get a few months of development to really get it running sweetly, but all the same its still not over hyped if I ask me.
With optimized ROMs and whatever fixes we need (cuz samsung WILL break something) I figure the sgs will shred the N1's new scores. I recon we'll see around 3k in quadrant.
Considering how far ahead of almost everything a lag fixed non-stock-rom sgs is now, we'll see something really special once froyo starts rocking our crotches.
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Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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Why powerfull phone? ok i'll tell u:
Because I don't like to buy an expensive phone (like SGS) that power is lesser than a chipper phone (like N1) !
Because I'd rather a phone without stalling (lagging) to play games and running big applications. I will very gray if i'll se lagging/stalling...
Because I need a phone with a good support (it's enough, don't need mazing support). a phone with a clear (alive or nice) Future
JIT for Hummingbird should be promising.
High Mem
anyone got any idea on the high mem issue?... when i was browsing the Gmarket.com, i realize 305 total available memory is not enough for me... and the web page just closed....
Hello, I am about to buy an android phone, after patiently waiting a half year (because I've been scammed when I attempted to buy an iPhone)
So, I really love phones with a qwerty keyboard and I live in Europe.
The only phone I like right now is the Milestone, but motorola is really being a pain in the ... against us european costumers, but at least they promised us the froyo update at last. (probably because they had to, it said "Flash 10.1 compatible" on the box.)
So my question is, what is your advice for me? If I wait for the MS2 I will have 2.2 for sure, but I'll have to wait for the device to get rooted..
Right now I can buy the Milestone at a 2 year 15€/month contract. It's retail price is € 387,-
Does anyone have any idea at all about the milestone 2 pricing?
I would like to play some games on the phone like N.O.V.A. and Asphalt 5 by gameloft. But from what I've seen, the multi-touch is reaaaly messed up. Is this correct?
Greetings, Mike vHL
For myself i decided to wait Milestone 2. Buy new phone, when there is a upgrade of him its not reasonable.
Sorry for my bad english =).
Thanks, but after watching a movie, I found out that the only thing that was changed that was really of impact to me was the processor, RAM and keyboard layout.
The processor doesn't make that much of a deal to me, since the games are still quite responsive. The keyboard layout isn't that much of a deal to me either. The ram would be nice, sure, but I don't care, since I've waited too long and really want an android phone, right now xD
About the multitouching thingy, the MS2 uses the same screen, so that isn't a deal-breaker either. I'm sorry for bothering the community with my stupid question.
Greetings, Mike vHL
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Thanks, but after watching a movie, I found out that the only thing that was changed that was really of impact to me was the processor, RAM and keyboard layout.
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I think that the new version of milestone its a work on the bugs.
I like new proc,keyboard and ram. That why i decide to whait for the new phone.
if there were no major hardware flaws, then its not really work on bugs rather than a work on buyers pocket with a 2 on the end
I myself plan to get milestone 1 even if 2 comes out, for the following reasoning
- milestone 1 prices should drop radically
- anything they have to offer on mile2 would be an overkill for me, cause I dont even plan playing games
- design of mile1 blew me off with metal finish
- last but not least - I used all androids from 1.6version till froyo on my kaiser and tbh if they release 2.2 for mile1 with all features working well, I dont need anything else xD
Get a Milestone 1. It may sound crazy, but i "upgraded" to a Milestone from a Nexus one. Sure, the Nexus had a snapdragon, 512RAM and proper froyo roms, but the Milestone has an ARM Cortex-8 wich can go beyond 1.2Ghz with absolute reliability while the Nexus was already unstable at 1.1Ghz, it has a PowerVR GPU wich beats the crap out of the snapdragon gpu even at the default 550Mhz. I don't know who told you about the buggy multitouch, but i can tell you that the Milestone has accurate multitouch compared to the Nexus that has a serious problem that snaps axis when they get close and mess everything arround. Seriously the milestone performance is almost unbeliebable and besides that, it's got a qwerty keyboard, i have seen better keyboards (HTC Universal) but at least we have one. Once we get a proper froyo release on the Milestone, you will forget about every other single phone, but for now you can use the latest MotoFrenzy if you dont care about the camera issue, or stick arround with the good old 2.1 releases.
Edit: Ah, sorry i forgot to mention the sound quality and built-in speakers. The Milestone has the best sound quality out of all the Android phones i have tried so far. (HTC Dream, Hero, Nexus One, Xperia X10 and Desire).
Milestone2 would still have Cortex A8 ARM cpu not qualcomm snapdragon as far as I know. PowerVR should still be in the game too. the extra RAM is going to make some difference especially when more apps are running. Phone will definitely feel snappier even compared to 1.1GHz overclocked MS1 (like mine ). Not to talk its going to run Froyo which is supposed to make things even smoother.
If you want to save money - get original Milestone, if you are ok spending a bit more and willing to wait - wait for the Milestone 2. I would wait for MS2 if I were you.
I am told the updated cpu in the Droid 2 and Milestone 2 is smaller, faster, yet more battery efficient. I know the D2 gets like 9 hours of talk time vs 7 for the original Droid and that is CDMA, where it uses a bit more battery than GSM. Something to think about.
Snapdragon, A4, Samsung's 1GHz, and the Ti OMAP processors in the Droids are all based off ARM's Cortex A-8.
Newer phones are upgrades over the Milestone in regards to pure CPU speed and RAM, but all of them, except for the Milestone 2/Droid 2 with the same LCD, have inferior screens.
I consider it an "upgrade" to move from the Galaxy S to the Milestone because the latter has a much better and more usable screen, which is more important to me than anything else, but the Galaxy S does have incredible touch accuracy.
If you have the funds, then the Milestone 2 is definitely a worthy upgrade. Personally, I wouldn't change my Milestone to anything else other than the Milestone 2, an international Droid X (due to its improved CPU, RAM, and camera), and the iPhone 4 --all of which are far more expensive.
Droid X has the same amount of ram, and same exact cpu as the D2. The camera is an upgrade but it isn't that big of an upgrade from what I have read.
The Milestone2 is definitely just another Milestone but with improvements.
Both devices have the same connectivities, same screens, same features and same physical hardware. The differences are
The biggest one is:
512MB RAM vs 256MB. The new processor will run faster and can multitask much better.
Next important thing is the camera difference, its the same 5MP shooter but it now does 720p video.
After that the next important thing is the physical hardware/keyboard: personally the Milestone does have a good qwerty so I'm not sure if this is an advantage or just a tie.
The last upgrade is the CPU: 1GHz vs 550MHz stock (O'C to 1.2GHz to surpass in performance).
Honestly, you can wait ~1month from now you can get the MIUI ROM (in development by dexter and the official miui team - better than MotoBlur)
with Froyo (so it will be tie),
800MHz (this is to increase battery life while giving good performance - better than Milestone2).
Or wait ~1month to get the Milestone2 and the only advantages it really would have is the 720p video and the extra performance and multitasking (from extra RAM). If you want the GameGripper for the Droid2/Milestone2 you will also need to wait for it.
The Milestone2 will get the locked bootloader so development on it will be slow or non-exsistant. If however it gets rooted and its ROM extracted, I'm guessing the camera stack will easily be ported to the original Droid/Milestone for 720p. The only thing is the Droid/Milestone would need to be overclocked (800MHz +) to be able to capture 720p video and that may not even be enough, maybe the RAM will be the limiting factor.
Well there's the information, now go make up your mind
Actually the biggest difference is the CPU, which is faster and give it longer battery life.
But the M1 can be overclocked to match the M2 (or be close), but the 256Mb RAM limitation cannot be improved. I personally have few problems with 256 megs, but with 512, you pretty much never need to close any apps.
That maybe so, but the M2 cpu while smaller is more efficient, and faster(plus the better gpu that comes with newer chipset).
Who'da thunk it? (Wink)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/iphone-4s-preliminary-benchmarks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2
i think once Android introduces hardware acceleration (ICS??) that from a benchmarking standpoint it should improve. From what i understand of Android and iOS, iOS i think has potential to do better in benchmarking due to being pretty much on the metal where as android is "virtual" to account for all the different hardware sets. Some one smarter feel free to straighten me out!! That said, i don't think you have any one said that the ET4G feels slow!
Depends on iPhone graphics chip too... Not sure how good it is...
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it's very difficult to compare devices that run different platforms because there can be a lot of variables involved.
android still has a long way to go in terms of fluidity and refinement.
plus, this is what happens when software is designed for only ONE device made by ONE manufacturer as opposed to open-source and multiple devices manufacturers.
still, I don't dislike Apple by any means but nothing could make me get an iPhone 4s....
The iPhone is basically an app drawer.
Nexus Prime comes out soon. That will inevitably put the 4S to shame. As for hardware, I think the 4S is the greatest anticlimax of the year. They've changed a small number of things on the iPhone 4 and put a £400+ price tag on it.
Not to discredit Apple. It's a phenomenal phone but it's only just been released and will very quickly be sunk (again) by Android devices.
Just my two cents of course...
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it's very difficult to compare devices that run different platforms because there can be a lot of variables involved.
android still has a long way to go in terms of fluidity and refinement.
plus, this is what happens when software is designed for only ONE device made by ONE manufacturer as opposed to open-source and multiple devices manufacturers.
still, I don't dislike Apple by any means but nothing could make me get an iPhone 4s....
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Agreed!
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Yes I'm very impressive
Edit not impressed
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I could care less. I don't even run those on my phone as they don't mean anything to me.
rockky said:
Who'da thunk it? (Wink)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/iphone-4s-preliminary-benchmarks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2
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Sorry, but did you mistakenly post this trash here in the Epic 4G Touch section? Cause I don't seen anything about your post that relates to this phone.
Damn you guys make me pissy, why can't you keep your crapple stuff where it belongs?
On a side note, it is funny how the image of his thumbs take up 50% of the screen.
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but is that not because of the hardware acceleration (From gpu.. If i make any sense here) because the Galaxy Tab has very high scores, Higher than the reast and close to the iphone in all of them, Honeycomb, unlike gingerbread has Hardware acceleration, so hopefully for ICS those scores will boost
I'm not surprised since iOS is optimized to the max, while Android is still crappy on most hardware. But i guess ICS will fix this.
Btw, the 4S' GPU is the same that will sit in the Nexus Prime (according to rumours).
But whether we like it or not, the 4S is a powerful gadget, and that's great for the iPhone users.
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Who'da thunk it? (Wink)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/...rks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2
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I thunk it...when I saw the benchmarks I posted about in a different thread.
Apple never does anything frivolously. They may seem to be frivolous at times, but they always have valid reasons for what they do. It's why they prosper. And why they will continue to prosper.
I get a 3600 score on mt htc desire hd with ccm7 rom, overclocked....iphone couldn't even half that....BUT, i returned to a custom sense rom and clocked processor back down to standard speed and i noticed absolutely ZERO difference, it was still 100% as smooth and zero lag etc....BUT, my benchmark was only 1841...a lot less on Quadrant.
Quadrant scores, IMHO (or other benchmark tools) mean F**K ALL!!
my phone is 100% smooth
ZERO lag whatsoever
very fast
reliable
so i really couldn't care if it said (on quadrant benchmark) 100 or 5,000,000!
Matt
I've gotten over 5800 on quadrant on my Nexus S, Simms22 has even broken 6000 (same device) quadrants are debatable. iOS will again be playing catch up to Android in the very near future.
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Hi there, I've been a happy milestone user since February, but I recently started feeling that the low memory available (and locked bootloader) on it was kinda holding back the whole "android experience" (I know that thanks to the devs here the stone performs as good as the hardware can, a lot better than what a 256mb of ram would lead you to believe) so I went ahead and got an European hd2 (I don't live in the US, so I´ll get 3g on it just fine) the thing is that the HD2 hasn't yet arrive, and now I´m kinda having second thoughts, as what I first considered on the HD2 as an advantage (the whole, multi os thing) may in fact, be a weakness, because it may be faster than the milestone running android, but it probably won´t be as stable and that may again, hold me from getting the best from android, to be honest I've owned an htc tilt(which I loved to the point I'd flash it several times a day almost everyday and also put android on it), a touch pro 2 (Sprint version, flashed the bytes out of this one too, put android on it as well) both winmo phones had issues when running android (constant data corruption, battery life, etc) then I got the milestone and it's been performing rock solid to this day and I just want to know if you guys think I did the right thing from an "upgrading" point of view. thanks
ps: I sold the stone, I'll be delivering it to his new owner :-(
maybe
well..it all depends on what you want out of your phone. When I had my milestone I did consider the hd2.
If you want a multimedia phone the HD2 will destroy the milestone. More ram, bigger screen. It also runs miui better than the milestone so widgets dont die and your browsing experience will be better.
The touchscreen is the same with tru multitouch. not the like the nexus 1.
However if you want to use the phone for gaming quite frankly they both suck. The milestone I found when i had it had the gpu to play the latest games but not enough ram. However it has a qwerty keyboard so gba, snes emulators worked well. Also gamevill games like zennonia and destinia works great on the qwerty.
But then again the HD2 isnt much better. The bigger screen is nice and so is the 512mb of ram. However it is cursed with an adreno 200 gpu which is marginally slower the the sgx530 found in the milestone. The adreno 200 simply isnt going to cut it for any graphically demanding game. Even NOVA 1 lags slightly. You can forget about dungoen defenders on the HD2. though having said that chainfire does do HD2 drivers which seem to boost 3d performance a lot.
So basically yes from milestone to hd2 is an upgrade. sort of. HD2 has an unlocked bootloader so you can get custom kernels.
what i would recommned you to do if u get the hd2 is to install miui, install an undervolting kernel d then use a media player like rockplayer (software decoding) for video formats the the system player cannot play. Do that and you basically have an evo 4g which is one of the best phones of all time but sadly not available in the UK
Don't fret. I'm writting this from my touchpro 2 running xandroid (2.2 is what I'm using, 2.3 is out but buggy in beta). I haven't booted into winmo for actual use in months, and current uptime is almost a week. Android on winmo is much more stable than it used to be, batery performance is closer to what it should be. Bluetooth can still be a little funky (so I've heard, I don't use it), but hey, camera and and sound are rocking good now! Clocked at 600 MHz, performance in an active app is similar to what I see on my droid. Actually loading apps is much slower, I'm guessing because it is reading it from the sd rather than nand. But once loaded it is all good. I think you'll be happy with the HD2.
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Why dont you try the Samsung Galaxy SII.. that has shown to have improved performance over HD2 and many other multicore processor phones and even has a better GPU...
Also again if you really need a new phone, thats completely a personal choice..
Even thought the RAM on milestone is limited it is good enough for daily basic use for browsing light games and avi videos etc...
But if you wanna play high demanding 3d games you gotta move on..
Also Milestone does not play HD videos smoothly.. tried everything to make it do this...
Its totally upto you... you have the cash, you have the interest go for it,
Also try not to fall in te marketing trap of these mobile companies where every new phone is branded as a must have and a zillion times better than your old one..
The final question is do you really need it.
Thanks all for your comments.
@thre3aces: yes, I know about the poor performance the HD2 gpu has when compared to the milestone's gpu, but I figured that a bit more of ram and processor horsepower would help the adreno 200 gpu a bit, although I am not expecting anything spectacular from it, I'm planning to play a few games, but what I really want is a smoother experience from my phone and judging by the youtube videos I've seen, when it comes to the GUI, the HD2 perform almost as good as a Desire HD if you don't try to push it too far anyways, so overall I think that I can live with a worse gpu performance as long as the rest performs better.
@cbeck:
I'm glad the TP2 is still going on strong, I loved that phone, best full physical qwerty keyboard on a phone ever.
@lord_neo: I'm on a tight budget right now, I sold the Milestone for $147 and got the HD2 used for $200, for that's a fair price for a mildly used HD2. And even if I could afford the SG2 I wouldn't buy as I don't like the feel of the phone on my hands, it's too slim for my taste, I admit it is a beast of a phone, though and the screen is awesome.
elander said:
Thanks all for your comments.
@thre3aces: yes, I know about the poor performance the HD2 gpu has when compared to the milestone's gpu, but I figured that a bit more of ram and processor horsepower would help the adreno 200 gpu a bit, although I am not expecting anything spectacular from it, I'm planning to play a few games, but what I really want is a smoother experience from my phone and judging by the youtube videos I've seen, when it comes to the GUI, the HD2 perform almost as good as a Desire HD if you don't try to push it too far anyways, so overall I think that I can live with a worse gpu performance as long as the rest performs better.
@cbeck:
I'm glad the TP2 is still going on strong, I loved that phone, best full physical qwerty keyboard on a phone ever.
@lord_neo: I'm on a tight budget right now, I sold the Milestone for $147 and got the HD2 used for $200, for that's a fair price for a mildly used HD2. And even if I could afford the SG2 I wouldn't buy as I don't like the feel of the phone on my hands, it's too slim for my taste, I admit it is a beast of a phone, though and the screen is awesome.
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Yea so if ur gonna be trying to play dungeon defenders or nova 2 u will be fine with a hd2. Just a hint if u r gonna get it 2nd hand id recommend getting a new battery for it. Chances r since the hd2 is an old lone tags battery in it is probably very worn out
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Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?
I will include some that I just did. Be interested to see other's results.
malickie said:
Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?.
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I've seen at least two side by side comparisons between the Vivid and the Galaxy Skyrocket; and the Vivid definitely plays second fiddle to it, too.
roms play a big role in scores. htc roms are some of the most graphical. try on a less graphical rom like samsung is using and it will prolly be pretty close imo
Probably doesn't help that we're underclocked to 1.2 GHz stock. Once we have root and can overclock back up to 1.5 GHz+ results should be more respectible.
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Do people actually care about benchmarks?
My opinion is that they mean basically nothing. Having a great benchmark doesn't always mean great results in everyday use.
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In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.
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In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.
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Why the hell would a manufacturer OC a chip? These chips are designed to run at 1.5 ever since qualcomm showed these chips, HTC decided to underclock these to 1.2ghz because of may be battery reasons.
This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.
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This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.
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I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.
Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
SOTP is all that matters.
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Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
SOTP is all that matters.
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The wonders of OC and optimization eh.
How does the device actually feel? Felt pretty smooth when I briefly played with it. I wish people would put less weight in benchmarks.
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It is quite smooth actually. I have never actually noticed any slow downs at all as opposed to other people. Plus we more than likely once it is rooted will get the cpu OC past the actual Stock speed the processor is supposed to be so that should make things that much smoother. Granted at the expense of battery life but still if you UC when the screen is off you shouldn't feel it too badly unless you are Constantly on the phone in which case you would probably want to UC it when the screen is on too.
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I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.
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no I dont have a bad unit. I never said it stutters, I just said that the rom doesn't feel as clean as it should be. I don't have any stutters what so ever, I just hate the scroll lag sometimes.