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Milestone's worth buying?

hey guys... i´m from Brazil...
so... it´s not that easy to buy a good android phone with a low price... so...
you guys think that... milestone A853 still a good phone? it worth yet?
cya

it's definitely still a good phone =]
and since it's been rooted there are custom roms and other cool customisations coming out daily!
the a853 is a little powerhouse, too (especially with a good overclock )

harriisnotinabox said:
it's definitely still a good phone =]
and since it's been rooted there are custom roms and other cool customisations coming out daily!
the a853 is a little powerhouse, too (especially with a good overclock )
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I agree....
I mean the level of customization is very high...Basically this is a mini-laptop...And the Qwerty keyboard is great once you get use to it...
Overclocking unveils the power of this phone...
With the New GOT 2.2.1 Release of the Froyo Android and flash support your browsing experience is mostly like on your PC...
I sincerely recommend this phone...I have it for 2 and half months now and I'm very satisfied with it!

i wouldnt buy it if i were u , 256 mb of ram is not enough specially if u use a lot of widgets , besides milestone 2 is coming out this month

If you can get it for a good price, then it's still a fine buy. 256Mb RAM is fine for FroYo. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand memory usage.
Once overclocked and running a good ROM, the Milestone is a match for most of the newer and far more expensive (on the secondhand market) Androids.
The Milestone still has the best screen of any Android phone:
- 97% color gamut, more accurate and better than the iPhone 4
- almost 1,500:1 static contrast, higher than iPhone 4 and destroys crap like the Xperia X10
- true multi-touch screen, a rarity with Androids.
Of course, the Milestone 2 is a significant upgrade in speed, memory, and camera, but it is not cheap.

applebook said:
If you can get it for a good price, then it's still a fine buy. 256Mb RAM is fine for FroYo. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand memory usage.
Once overclocked and running a good ROM, the Milestone is a match for most of the newer and far more expensive (on the secondhand market) Androids.
The Milestone still has the best screen of any Android phone:
- 97% color gamut, more accurate and better than the iPhone 4
- almost 1,500:1 static contrast, higher than iPhone 4 and destroys crap like the Xperia X10
- true multi-touch screen, a rarity with Androids.
Of course, the Milestone 2 is a significant upgrade in speed, memory, and camera, but it is not cheap.
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better than the galaxy s? it has more constrast than the phone i agree on that one , i compared the black levels with my ipod touch 4 and the milestone indeed has deeper blacks but youre forgetting about the and what about the HORRIBLE color banding?

Yes, better than the Galaxy S: http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_1.htm
The color banding issue is not because of the Milestone's LCD but is due to Android's awful 16-bit Gallery. Even FroYo has this problem. Google is responsible for this and needs to fix it.
The Milestone 2 uses the same LCD as the Milestone.
Personally, I prefer the iPhone 4's display to anything else on the market because of its low reflectance (awesome for outdoor usage) and high resolution, but the Milestone has higher contrast and higher color gamut than the iP4.
I still believe that the Milestone/Milestone 2 is the best Android display there is because they have better contrast and higher DPI than the Droid X. I do not like the Galaxy S screen at all for reading text.

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Yes, better than the Galaxy S: http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_1.htm
The color banding issue is not because of the Milestone's LCD but is due to Android's awful 16-bit Gallery. Even FroYo has this problem. Google is responsible for this and needs to fix it.
The Milestone 2 uses the same LCD as the Milestone.
Personally, I prefer the iPhone 4's display to anything else on the market because of its low reflectance (awesome for outdoor usage) and high resolution, but the Milestone has higher contrast and higher color gamut than the iP4.
I still believe that the Milestone/Milestone 2 is the best Android display there is because they have better contrast and higher DPI than the Droid X. I do not like the Galaxy S screen at all for reading text.
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I will agree that the Milestone screen is very nice. I would have loved it if my Nexus One used that screen. I hate the AMOLED used in current phones. Stupid PenTile pixel arrangement makes text look like CRAP.
When overclocked, the CPU in the Milestone is no problem.
256MB RAM though is a bit of an issue. It will run any program fine, but it will start closing background tasks far earlier than phones with 512MB will. You might be in the browser, switch to facebook, and then back to the browser and notice it reloading everything because it shut it down.

applebook said:
Yes, better than the Galaxy S: http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_1.htm
The color banding issue is not because of the Milestone's LCD but is due to Android's awful 16-bit Gallery. Even FroYo has this problem. Google is responsible for this and needs to fix it.
The Milestone 2 uses the same LCD as the Milestone.
Personally, I prefer the iPhone 4's display to anything else on the market because of its low reflectance (awesome for outdoor usage) and high resolution, but the Milestone has higher contrast and higher color gamut than the iP4.
I still believe that the Milestone/Milestone 2 is the best Android display there is because they have better contrast and higher DPI than the Droid X. I do not like the Galaxy S screen at all for reading text.
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i love the iphone screen, i dont like the size tough, nothing beat 4 inches
as far as i know the superamoled does NOT use pentile, am i wrong?

It's a great phone, limited only by your own ability to realize it's potential. Launcher pro, android agenda widget, weather and toggle widget, note everything.. Build your device to your needs!
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Yes, the Galaxy S uses pentile matrix. Read that article.
I've owned 3 different versions of the phone, so believe me, I know.
Anyway, I feel that 4-inches is too large for 800x480. I used to believe that 960x640 is too high for 3.5" on the iP4, but it really does look wonderful, even for tiny text. There is no need to zoom in on most web pages.

applebook said:
Yes, the Galaxy S uses pentile matrix. Read that article.
I've owned 3 different versions of the phone, so believe me, I know.
Anyway, I feel that 4-inches is too large for 800x480. I used to believe that 960x640 is too high for 3.5" on the iP4, but it really does look wonderful, even for tiny text. There is no need to zoom in on most web pages.
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3 versions of the phone? u mean captivate, vibrant, etc? yes the iphone screen is effing awesome, so crisp, too bad the black levels are HORRIBLE

The iP4's black levels are acceptable for an LCD: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3903/apples-ipod-touch-2010-review-not-a-poor-mans-iphone-4/2
It's the iTouch 4 whose LCD is awful. Its black levels are about as bad as the old iPhone!
I was going to get an iTouch and just use a cheap CrapBerry but just couldn't live with the iPod's awful blacks and low contrast.

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The iP4's black levels are acceptable for an LCD: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3903/apples-ipod-touch-2010-review-not-a-poor-mans-iphone-4/2
It's the iTouch 4 whose LCD is awful. Its black levels are about as bad as the old iPhone!
I was going to get an iTouch and just use a cheap CrapBerry but just couldn't live with the iPod's awful blacks and low contrast.
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f*ck! i feel deceived! i swore it was the same display, no wonder the black levels look horrible to me , why isnt this mentioned on the ipods reviews? and dont it evne get me started on the camera my milestone takes better pics and videos! ohhh apple

I to recommend this phone. I am very happy with it. Battery life isn't the most stellar, but not a "deal-breaker" for me. With some creative fine-tuning of the settings, I will get more "mileage" out of the battery.
The keyboard took a little getting used to, but once accustomed to it, it works great. The only other phone I would look at other than this one is either the new Milestone 2 (more expensive) and the HTC Desire Z. The keyboard on it is quite nice. Personally, I need a physical keyboard for my phones that I use, so that limits me on what I can use in Android phones.

I traded my Nokia N900 for the Milestone, couldn't be happier.
I was jealous at the speed and smoothness of my friend's iPhone 4, but then I installed LauncherPro - let me tell ya, I'm not jealous anymore haha. I think's he's gonna be jealous at mine pretty soon for the speed and the fact that I do with it whatever I want - It's my device, unlike how all iPhones don't really belong to you but to Apple.
Also to note the incredible build quality and aluminum chasis - it really feels like a premium device (which it is)

Apple had to use a much cheaper LCD for the iPod Touch because reportedly, the IPS panel in the iPhone 4 costs $90 (approx.) just for the part alone. There's no way that Apple can make a profit off the iPod Touch by using the same panel.
The new Touch is still a nice upgrade over the old one. It just isn't anywhere near the iPhone 4.

applebook said:
Apple had to use a much cheaper LCD for the iPod Touch because reportedly, the IPS panel in the iPhone 4 costs $90 (approx.) just for the part alone. There's no way that Apple can make a profit off the iPod Touch by using the same panel.
The new Touch is still a nice upgrade over the old one. It just isn't anywhere near the iPhone 4.
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thanks for the info, i was really hating apple, but its a business after all

Galaxy Note 2 VS GSIII VS Next Nexus

Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?

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Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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Yes in my view.
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averymlewis said:
Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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YES it is :good:

My friend got a s3 n I got a note. His s3 reminds me of my s2. Not interested in the s3 anymore.
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The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!

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The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!
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I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
TO THE OP:
Don't take anyone's word for it. Wear some jeans and walk in to a mobile showroom.
Check out the size of it, hands-on. Slip it into your jean pocket. Walk around sit down. Run (no don't do that, you'll get caught).
If you can tolerate the slight heft, by all means go for it.
The extra screen estate and S PEN makes a world of a difference.
All-in-all, if you decide to get a NOTE, wait for the NOTE2 announcement, hands-on, release and the subsequent reviews by trustable sources (cnet's not too bad, even engadget makes good reviews). Patience is key !

In my opinion, the note 2 with jelly bean firmware, could be the best phone ever created...

The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave
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What are the main differences that this lower resolution could bring that would be easily noticeable? I'm reading a lot of comments about this, but I thought DPI setting was more important than resolution.
Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
By the way, if Samsung will really do this, probably it's for a great reason! Or not?

Kangal said:
I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
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Hmmmmm, interesting point but the nexus is a flagship device
Sent From An Awesome Jelly Bean Galaxy Note

viniciusrsouza said:
Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
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I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
If its in RGB format, each pixel will have 4 subunits. Pentile has 3.
So you're effectively increasing the subpixel count by 30%
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.

1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.

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Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue, and given we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
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On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.
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Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
Regards,
Dave

Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.

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1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.
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When watching videos the Status Bar hides. And if you have on-screen buttons, they hide too.
When using the NOTE, you primarily use it on Portrait mode. So the extra 80 pixels don't help for the Status Bar or the On-screen buttons. Its pretty much "wasted" on the empty spaces in the Browser and Apps, making things look a tad more "zoomed in".
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we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
Regards,
Dave
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I'm just arguing about the rumours, never claimed they would hit retail.
Samsung putting a 5.5in 1280 x 720 PenTile screen is a mistake in my humble opinion. It would be downgrading. If it is 5.5in 1280 x 720 RGB, I'd say its an improvement.
Sure the pixel density suffers a little.
And you might lose the Home button to wake the device, or comfortably push the Back and Menu keys.
A better screen (little less blurry, yes I can see the PenTile again, can't unsee it)
But what you get is a more modern design.
Virtual keys that we can mod the shlt out of.
And a larger screen when doing stuff like watching videos and toggling the Status Bar/Buttons off.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue.
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I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
And at least we fall unto a standard ratio and resolution. Otherwise I would completely agree with you.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
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I see. Others have also chimed in on this.
To be honest, I don't RDP or chroot anymore. It was handy at first, but its still feels like a beta test on each use. And its not a primary function of the NOTE, and I don't think the majority utilize this function. I know when I need those functions, and I just carry an Ultrabook.
Should be even easier in the future with Win8 hitting smaller form factors like tablets.
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martcerv said:
Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.
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The status bar DOESN'T consume 80 pixels. It uses 54 pixels (or 4.2% space).
The on-screen buttons consume 96 pixels (or 7.5% space).
They both utilize the space from the vertical plane, the 80 pixels, are lost from the horizontal plane.
On certain functions, like video playback, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain Apps, like Angry Birds, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain ROMS, like AOKP, they can be customized with any picture/logo, glow effect, order, function, or gesture. They can also be toggled ON/OFF at anytime or Pre-Set for any Apps (Paranoid).
There's just more opportunities to work with on-screen buttons, I think Google made the right call.

Kangal said:
I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
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Losing 80 pixels from the screen and then losing further pixels due to the soft buttons makes a *huge* amount of difference if your primary usage mode is landscape, and definitely roams into deal breaker territory for me. That would mean that I would be better off with an SIII since at least it still has physical buttons.
Whilst I do use my Note as a phone, I don't use it often in portrait except when actually making phone calls. That would not be the case if it had been a 720p device, but the Note changed my usage due to the dimensions of the screen.
What I'd like to see from the Note 2 is "like the Note, but better" - 720p with soft buttons is in my opinion not like the Note, and not better. Your mileage may vary of course, and I appreciate that, but the Note 2 as described here is just a bigger SIII with an S-Pen - I would never have bought the original Note if it had just been a bigger SII with an S-Pen!
I could possibly see myself living with 720p if there were physical buttons, or 1280x800 with soft keys, but 720p with soft keys? No thanks!
Of course, next week we should know for certain exactly what the Note 2 will be.
Regards,
Dave

Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?

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Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?
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As a quick rule of thumb just remember this:
1-On-screen buttons waste 0.3 inches.
2-A screen difference is notable for each 0.3inches.
So if you go from an iPhone to something like 3.9 inches (Desire); you're gonna notice the improvement.
To a 4.2 inch (Xperia Arc) device again, notice the improvement.
To a 4.5 inch (Epic Touch), then to a 4.8 inch (S3), then to a 5.1 inch (Streak), then to a 5.4 inch (Note 1/2).
....So Yeah, there is much difference between an S3 and NOTE.

I own the Note and the Nexus. I skipped getting the S3 to see what the Note 2 will bring to the table and I might hold off on the Note 2 to see how the next Nexus will look and to see if Asus or anyone else makes a good 7" tablet to counter the no rear camera, no sd slot and small storage on the Nexus 7.Before I pull the trigger I want to make sure I have the best combo of devices. I am looking to have a phone tablet combo for sure. Either a Note 2 and a Note 10.1 or a 7" Tablet with the next Nexus or S3:victory:

After using Nexus 4 a few hours, I decide to sell it...

Hi everyone, Nexus 4 is my very first Android phone in my life, I used to use Iphone even though I'm not an IFan. Here is my 2cents why I have to sell it.
Screen Display
Yes !! Nexus 4 comes with TRUE IPS LCD, seems like the same thing on LG OPTIMUS G which I saw at BB and I like it very much. But Nexus 4 is worse than Optiomus G's screen (IDK why?). First of all is it's brightness, my eye is get used to iPhone scrren which has white balance > 600 cd/m, Nexus 4 I bielieve is 470 cd/m ( Optimus G is 471 cd/m but idk why it so much brighter)
Second, the color saturation is so bad, comparing the my Iphone 4s beside, I can tell 4s screen is more colorful, better exposition and nicer contrast.
Low white balance hurts my eyes so badly when browsing website even in a bigger screen...
Except those reasons above, Nexus 4 is the good phone.

Good for you. Bad reasons in my opinion, but I digress

I bet everyone cares

cool story bro.
hopefully the other 3 posts you have made on this website have been just as insightful.

LOL, instagram hipster....

All those "problems" were fixed with gamma control. You lost out on a good phone.

Oh well, in the end it's all about what you want. If you want brighter and over saturated colors then go for it. I keep my phone on auto brightness, it's far from the highest brightness and never had a problem with it. The color seems nice, a little more realistic I think rather then over saturated. The iPhone's do have a nice color though from what I've seen but not a huge difference.

ketjr81 said:
Oh well, in the end it's all about what you want. If you want brighter and over saturated colors then go for it. I keep my phone on auto brightness, it's far from the highest brightness and never had a problem with it. The color seems nice, a little more realistic I think rather then over saturated. The iPhone's do have a nice color though from what I've seen but not a huge difference.
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^^yah this :good:
i don't know what a cd/m measures, but visually comparing my screen to my wife's iphone there is very little difference (apart from size) ...

If you like saturation and good contrast then try AMOLED devices like the S3, it might not look as good as the iPhone though. YMMV.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Too be the screen can be very bright?? I keep my brightness on very low, colours are very nice imo but i think you are an ifan

Thanks for letting us know! Be sure to check back in and keep us updated on any other phone related decisions you make.
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The tab s is a beast!

My old tablet was a note 10.1 2014 which was heavy, somewhat slow and had a washed out screen when viewed on the sides. The tab s on the other hand is extremely light weight, fluid and virtually lag free (if you use Nova launcher)!! I can't believe Samsung did such a poor job of updating their previous flagship. These two tablets have virtually the same specs but the experience on the note was just painful because you always knew it could do more. Even opening the keyboard and typing on it was kinda slow.
I have no idea what Samsung is doing releasing these many tables to flood the market and I guess they're borrowing a page or two from apples playback regarding planned obsolescence for their hardware.
This is the best tablet experience I have ever had on Android and I have used both the nexus 7s, note 10.1 2014 and the nexus 10. Speed is on per with the note 3 which is a beast of an android.

yeah ive seen the 2014 edition as well as the tab pro tablets ive always noticed the screens are kinda washed out or im just used to super amoled on my notes lol

kingofthebraves said:
My old tablet was a note 10.1 2014 which was heavy, somewhat slow and had a washed out screen when viewed on the sides. The tab s on the other hand is extremely light weight, fluid and virtually lag free (if you use Nova launcher)!! I can't believe Samsung did such a poor job of updating their previous flagship. These two tablets have virtually the same specs but the experience on the note was just painful because you always knew it could do more. Even opening the keyboard and typing on it was kinda slow.
I have no idea what Samsung is doing releasing these many tables to flood the market and I guess they're borrowing a page or two from apples playback regarding planned obsolescence for their hardware.
This is the best tablet experience I have ever had on Android and I have used both the nexus 7s, note 10.1 2014 and the nexus 10. Speed is on per with the note 3 which is a beast of an android.
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I agree completely. I will also add that there was a hardware bluetooth issue, because the same bluetooth keyboard that would constantly disconnect on the Note 2014 now works without issue on the Tab S. I had made modifications to my Note and it ran great and battery life was good, but the Tab S is just better, in every way. The ONLY thing I miss is the S Pen and I wish they would just release all their products with an S Pen, because with their track record, I'm preparing myself to be pissed when in a couple months they announce the Note S (I assume around the time they release the Note 4) [emoji35]

toyanucci said:
I agree completely. I will also add that there was a hardware bluetooth issue, because the same bluetooth keyboard that would constantly disconnect on the Note 2014 now works without issue on the Tab S. I had made modifications to my Note and it ran great and battery life was good, but the Tab S is just better, in every way. The ONLY thing I miss is the S Pen and I wish they would just release all their products with an S Pen, because with their track record, I'm preparing myself to be pissed when in a couple months they announce the Note S (I assume around the time they release the Note 4) [emoji35]
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You know you can just buy an s-pen....right?

12MaNy said:
You know you can just buy an s-pen....right?
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It doesn't work like that. The S Pen works with the wacom digitizer which is built into the screen of Note devices. The Tab S doesn't have th3 wacom digitizer so no, the S Pen won't work with it (the one from my Note 3 doesn't work with it for example).

The N10.1-14, Pro's, and Tab S' are the same devices repackaged. They're all using the same SoC's, core UI (TW 4.4 with or w/o M-UX), and h/w components. Exceptions being form factor, LCD vs. AMOLED, USB 3.0 on 12" tablets, finger print reader on the S'. Therefore saying "OMG! What a difference!", either positive or negative, doesn't really jive with reality. I've always been kind of LCD vs. AMOLED agnostic. AMOLED colors tend to be more blown out (which I actually like), blacks and contrast speak for themselves, but white's are always blueish. LCD displays tend to be brighter, colors are less vivid and separated, blacks and contrast weaker, with truer whites. Counting Apple's devices LCD still outsells AMOLED 4:1.
AMOLED sucks battery on whites and kicks butt on darker colors. Most productivity apps have white backgrounds which is definitely going to be a problem for productivity users. As will browsing and using the Tab S as a reader.
As for Samsung's LCD QHD tablet displays, they are the best LCD displays currently available and by no means deficient. To each their own...

BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14, Pro's, and Tab S' are the same devices repackaged. They're all using the same SoC's, core UI (TW 4.4 with or w/o M-UX), and h/w components. Exceptions being form factor, LCD vs. AMOLED, USB 3.0 on 12" tablets, finger print reader on the S'. Therefore saying "OMG! What a difference!", either positive or negative, doesn't really jive with reality. I've always been kind of LCD vs. AMOLED agnostic. AMOLED colors tend to be more blown out (which I actually like), blacks and contrast speak for themselves, but white's are always blueish. LCD displays tend to be brighter, colors are less vivid and separated, blacks and contrast weaker, with truer whites. Counting Apple's devices LCD still outsells AMOLED 4:1.
AMOLED sucks battery on whites and kicks butt on darker colors. Most productivity apps have white backgrounds which is definitely going to be a problem for productivity users. As will browsing and using the Tab S as a reader.
As for Samsung's LCD QHD tablet displays, they are the best LCD displays currently available and by no means deficient. To each their own...
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I've had both, and the difference in battery life is more than a couple hours doing the same tasks. I didn't comment on the snappiness because your right, it's all the same internals however the software is tweaked differently which makes a difference as well.
My tablets are for web browsing and media consumption and for that I usually get by without any lags or jerkiness WITH power saving on. I posted in the battery life thread and you'll notice my even shots have power saving on as I don't really game anymore much less on my tablet. Either way, I've seen real world improvements but I understand your core point.
I also disagree that amoled whites are blueish, my note 3 and tab s have the truest whites of all my devices including my macbook pro to the point where I use them at about 20% brightness indoors, often times even less because over that the whites hurt my eyes. And this also has me thinking if the battery life test you posted was with brightness at 100% as with my tab s I get about 1 hour and 15 minutes per 10% battery while browsing so I'm not sure what they did to get those results.

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I've had both, and the difference in battery life is more than a couple hours doing the same tasks. I didn't comment on the snappiness because your right, it's all the same internals however the software is tweaked differently which makes a difference as well.
My tablets are for web browsing and media consumption and for that I usually get by without any lags or jerkiness WITH power saving on. I posted in the battery life thread and you'll notice my even shots have power saving on as I don't really game anymore much less on my tablet. Either way, I've seen real world improvements but I understand your core point.
I also disagree that amoled whites are blueish, my note 3 and tab s have the truest whites of all my devices including my macbook pro to the point where I use them at about 20% brightness indoors, often times even less because over that the whites hurt my eyes. And this also has me thinking if the battery life test you posted was with brightness at 100% as with my tab s I get about 1 hour and 15 minutes per 10% battery while browsing so I'm not sure what they did to get those results.
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I didn't post to make anyone with a Tab S like it less. I really like the design, accessories, and larger display on the 10.5. But people can get "deals" on the Pro's and N10.1-14 that makes them worth considering (for some). I'm a 10" fan so have no interest in the 8.4 but a Pro 8.4 can be had at Best Buy for $229 which makes it pretty compelling; especially since it's S-800. Point being there's lots to like about the S' but their release didn't instantly make the Note/Pro's cow dung.
The white point average (closest to 6,500K is better) for the devices we're talking about is:
Note 3 - 7,126
Note 10.1 - 2014 - 6,821
Tab S 10.5 - 6,516
Tab S 8.4 - 6,295
IPad Air - 7,377
So the N10.1-14 does better on whites than all but the 10.5 Tab S and with a much smaller margin the S 8.4.
If you're interested, here are the links showing the detailed results for the Tab S and N10.1-14. There's no question the S' results are better (with the exception of brightness) but, for an LCD display, Samsung did a good job with their QHD panels. But let's face it, people judge displays based on what looks best to them and that's more important than statistics.
N10.1-14 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
Tab S' - http://www.anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/2

BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14, Pro's, and Tab S' are the same devices repackaged. They're all using the same SoC's, core UI (TW 4.4 with or w/o M-UX), and h/w components. Exceptions being form factor, LCD vs. AMOLED, USB 3.0 on 12" tablets, finger print reader on the S'. Therefore saying "OMG! What a difference!", either positive or negative, doesn't really jive with reality. I've always been kind of LCD vs. AMOLED agnostic. AMOLED colors tend to be more blown out (which I actually like), blacks and contrast speak for themselves, but white's are always blueish. LCD displays tend to be brighter, colors are less vivid and separated, blacks and contrast weaker, with truer whites. Counting Apple's devices LCD still outsells AMOLED 4:1.
AMOLED sucks battery on whites and kicks butt on darker colors. Most productivity apps have white backgrounds which is definitely going to be a problem for productivity users. As will browsing and using the Tab S as a reader.
As for Samsung's LCD QHD tablet displays, they are the best LCD displays currently available and by no means deficient. To each their own...
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Same device indeed but the performance on responsive was on the software is staggering. My note was running a custom room with everything tweaked and it still cannot open a keyboard without a split second lag or two. Everything was always one step behind and never instantaneous. The tab s is the only Android device that made me feel it was on par with the iPad in fluidity and that's high praise.

BarryH_GEG said:
I didn't post to make anyone with a Tab S like it less. I really like the design, accessories, and larger display on the 10.5. But people can get "deals" on the Pro's and N10.1-14 that makes them worth considering (for some). I'm a 10" fan so have no interest in the 8.4 but a Pro 8.4 can be had at Best Buy for $229 which makes it pretty compelling; especially since it's S-800. Point being there's lots to like about the S' but their release didn't instantly make the Note/Pro's cow dung.
The white point average (closest to 6,500K is better) for the devices we're talking about is:
Note 3 - 7,126
Note 10.1 - 2014 - 6,821
Tab S 10.5 - 6,516
Tab S 8.4 - 6,295
IPad Air - 7,377
So the N10.1-14 does better on whites than all but the 10.5 Tab S and with a much smaller margin the S 8.4.
If you're interested, here are the links showing the detailed results for the Tab S and N10.1-14. There's no question the S' results are better (with the exception of brightness) but, for an LCD display, Samsung did a good job with their QHD panels. But let's face it, people judge displays based on what looks best to them and that's more important than statistics.
N10.1-14 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
Tab S' - http://www.anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/2
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Hey, theres 1 thing I don't like about the Tab S display. In movies human skin has an orange tint which I can't get used to, I'm awaiting a custom kernel that allows synapse color editing as it's the only one that allows for negative values, all other screen editing apps only allow you to add, not minus.

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Same device indeed but the performance on responsive was on the software is staggering.
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You realize there's six pages of counter opinion about performance and lag in this thread with folks coming from Note's and Pro's saying it's noticeably worse on the S? Not challenging you (I'm actually fairly lag tolerant as long as it's not in-app) but either the binning in 5420 got you a chip with super powers or people are having very different experiences.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/disappointed-tab-s-t2803856

BarryH_GEG said:
You realize there's six pages of counter opinion about performance and lag in this thread with folks coming from Note's and Pro's saying it's noticeably worse on the S? Not challenging you (I'm actually fairly lag tolerant as long as it's not in-app) but either the binning in 5420 got you a chip with super powers or people are having very different experiences.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/disappointed-tab-s-t2803856
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Lol to each his own. I setup my androids pretty much the same way so the basis for my comparisons are the same. I'm using the Lte variant BTW running on 800, I'm pretty sure most people are on the WiFi only model, perhaps a reasons for the discrepancy?

toyanucci said:
Hey, theres 1 thing I don't like about the Tab S display. In movies human skin has an orange tint which I can't get used to, I'm awaiting a custom kernel that allows synapse color editing as it's the only one that allows for negative values, all other screen editing apps only allow you to add, not minus.
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That's what you get for watching Jersey Shore ☺.
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BarryH_GEG said:
You realize there's six pages of counter opinion about performance and lag in this thread with folks coming from Note's and Pro's saying it's noticeably worse on the S? Not challenging you (I'm actually fairly lag tolerant as long as it's not in-app) but either the binning in 5420 got you a chip with super powers or people are having very different experiences.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/disappointed-tab-s-t2803856
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No lag on mine.

mitchellvii said:
No lag on mine.
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Aren't you using a third party launcher? Any comparisons I've made are stock<>stock. You shouldn't have to blow away features to get decent (whatever that means ) performance.

BarryH_GEG said:
Aren't you using a third party launcher? Any comparisons I've made are stock<>stock. You shouldn't have to blow away features to get decent (whatever that means ) performance.
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For me it isn't a matter of principal but just do what works. TouchWiz doesn't work so I replaced it with something that does. I consider anything which the average person can install from the Play Store without root to be "stock" and fair for comparison purposes.
I don't buy Samsung for their awesome software. ☺

BarryH_GEG said:
You shouldn't have to blow away features to get decent (whatever that means ) performance.
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Which features do you 'blow away' by loading Nova launcher?

BarryH_GEG said:
You realize there's six pages of counter opinion about performance and lag in this thread with folks coming from Note's and Pro's saying it's noticeably worse on the S? Not challenging you (I'm actually fairly lag tolerant as long as it's not in-app) but either the binning in 5420 got you a chip with super powers or people are having very different experiences.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/disappointed-tab-s-t2803856
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All I needed was root. I deboalted and all was well, same as I did with the note. Others complained of lags there too but I was lag free after debloating there as well. I also prefer touchwiz on my tablet even though I use nova on my note 3. I'll post a review video sometime this week. If it's one thing I wish samsung would do is debloat by default lol.

Freakstyler said:
Which features do you 'blow away' by loading Nova launcher?
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The slow ones ?.

mitchellvii said:
The slow ones ��.
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Launchers change the UI of a device. They don't blow away anything, just a different interface to utilize.
Go to task manager and check the RAM with different launchers and the same things in use, the ram ain't going to change. Bloatware impedes performance and alternate launchers do not remove them so that is why folks want to root. One can also turn off featues like multitask if they don't use them.
TouchWiz is much better than it use to be. I can easily live with this UI on the S.

BarryH_GEG said:
I didn't post to make anyone with a Tab S like it less. I really like the design, accessories, and larger display on the 10.5. But people can get "deals" on the Pro's and N10.1-14 that makes them worth considering (for some). I'm a 10" fan so have no interest in the 8.4 but a Pro 8.4 can be had at Best Buy for $229 which makes it pretty compelling; especially since it's S-800. Point being there's lots to like about the S' but their release didn't instantly make the Note/Pro's cow dung.
The white point average (closest to 6,500K is better) for the devices we're talking about is:
Note 3 - 7,126
Note 10.1 - 2014 - 6,821
Tab S 10.5 - 6,516
Tab S 8.4 - 6,295
IPad Air - 7,377
So the N10.1-14 does better on whites than all but the 10.5 Tab S and with a much smaller margin the S 8.4.
If you're interested, here are the links showing the detailed results for the Tab S and N10.1-14. There's no question the S' results are better (with the exception of brightness) but, for an LCD display, Samsung did a good job with their QHD panels. But let's face it, people judge displays based on what looks best to them and that's more important than statistics.
N10.1-14 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
Tab S' - http://www.anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/2
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The pro 8.4 was $249 two weeks ago for a single week. They are back at $330 now and were last week as well.

[Q] How bright is the screen?

I like every aspect of nexus 6
but i'm a bit worried about the brightness of the screen
since AMOLED are kind of infamous for not able to use outdoor
I'm guessing the screen will be similar to Moto X 2014
Anyone who own the phone, can you please share the experience for using the phone under bright sun?

MrHardplastic said:
I like every aspect of nexus 6
but i'm a bit worried about the brightness of the screen
since AMOLED are kind of infamous for not able to use outdoor
I'm guessing the screen will be similar to Moto X 2014
Anyone who own the phone, can you please share the experience for using the phone under bright sun?
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That's the important question. This year's AMOLED's (Galaxy S5, Note 4, Tab S) were very bright... but last year's AMOLED's (Galaxy S4).. not so much. Note 3 was fine however.

some review says moto X 2014 has poor outdoor visibility
and according to phonearena screen measurement, the moto X only has a maximum brightness of 385 nits
Now i'm seriously worried about the N6.....
I will accept anything higher than 450 nits, but 385 nits is just way too low
btw, I always never understood why maximum brightness is not part of the standard specs, it's an important factor, sometimes it's more important than pixel density or color saturation

While I will take all the brightness I can get, I have only struggled a few times with my S4 outdoors. I just don't use my phone all that much in full sunlight. Maybe check a football score during my kid's soccer game. Not exactly mission critical, but I guess it would be nice if it were easier. I certainly wouldn't give up the superior blacks the other 99.99% of the time. But given the awesome screens on the latest Samsungs, we should be able to have our cake and eat it, too.
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It's about this bright [emoji295]️[emoji295]️[emoji295]️

Its brightness is 270 nits (quite dim when you go by the numbers)
While its 850+ on my z3!
I guess I won't be selling my z3 for a n6 after all!

As with most single specs, the luminance in nits only tells part of the story. I'll wait to see what the N6 screen looks like in full sun before making a final decision.

gtalum said:
As with most single specs, the luminance in nits only tells part of the story. I'll wait to see what the N6 screen looks like in full sun before making a final decision.
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Very true. Amoled screen have very different reflective properties when compared to an LCD IPS screen. The outdoor viewing experience could and should actually be really good based on all the reviews.
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gtalum said:
As with most single specs, the luminance in nits only tells part of the story. I'll wait to see what the N6 screen looks like in full sun before making a final decision.
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Very true. Amoled screen have very different reflective properties when compared to an LCD IPS screen. The outdoor viewing experience could and should actually be really good based on all the reviews.
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Based on reviews the screen looks less vivid, less sharp and more dull than the Note 4. The visibility is less also; many reviewers claim the screen has great PPI but overall is not amazing. No surprises here - Samsung saves the best screens for themselves and everyone else gets rejects. For that reason I would've used an IPS display, like the iPhone 6+ (which has great visibility in sunlight, sharp and good colours).

spartanm99 said:
Based on reviews the screen looks less vivid, less sharp and more dull than the Note 4. The visibility is less also; many reviewers claim the screen has great PPI but overall is not amazing. No surprises here - Samsung saves the best screens for themselves and everyone else gets rejects. For that reason I would've used an IPS display, like the iPhone 6+ (which has great visibility in sunlight, sharp and good colours).
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If that's the case then Google clearly chose the ambient display (which requires amoled) over an IPS display. The note 4 arguably has the best screen in the world and we don't don't know if Google could get their hands on the iPhone 6 display. Maybe they tried and still couldn't get it.
Google can still calibrate the display properly. We'll just have to wait and see.
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scandalousk said:
If that's the case then Google clearly chose the ambient display (which requires amoled) over an IPS display. The note 4 arguably has the best screen in the world and we don't don't know if Google could get their hands on the iPhone 6 display. Maybe they tried and still couldn't get it.
Google can still calibrate the display properly. We'll just have to wait and see.
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We can also, you know...Make calibrations ourselves as well once Custom Kernels make their rounds..
If colour reproduction is an issue we should have little to worry if we can modify it in due time.

Here's how to find out - go look at one yourself before purchase.

darkrai said:
Its brightness is 270 nits (quite dim when you go by the numbers)
While its 850+ on my z3!
I guess I won't be selling my z3 for a n6 after all!
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You are going to have to post a source for that, because I dont believe the Z3 has 850nit brightness at all. A quick Google search showed nothing of the sort either.

EniGmA1987 said:
You are going to have to post a source for that, because I dont believe the Z3 has 850nit brightness at all. A quick Google search showed nothing of the sort either.
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http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3-review-1140p3.php
Go to display section
As a Nexus 4 user, i really love this screen! Its screen colors are like bundis ip5 profile (screen color tuning) with even more whiter whites and superb brightness!
Google for nexus 6
Had to search a lot for nexus 6's

Dr Faustus said:
We can also, you know...Make calibrations ourselves as well once Custom Kernels make their rounds..
If colour reproduction is an issue we should have little to worry if we can modify it in due time.
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i am happy this was answered so i didn't have to make a post just to make sure. i know i have options for dpi and auto brighness controls on my gs2. but i have to wonder why they set it so low in the first place? was it for battery savings? is it because the reflectivity is so good that it didn't need to be higher? is it because it will burn out the organics? if the gs3, 290 nits, was good enough to see outside then i guess this one will be also. it just sucks that it is so low. and i don't know if i would want to trust a kernel that raised it.

darkrai said:
http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3-review-1140p3.php
Go to display section
As a Nexus 4 user, i really love this screen! Its screen colors are like bundis ip5 profile (screen color tuning) with even more whiter whites and superb brightness!
Google for nexus 6
Had to search a lot for nexus 6's
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Sony smarthones have the worst display ever. turn off bravia engine (contrast and vivid) and you will love motorola 720i ;P

PhoneArena state the Nexus 6 is 270nits.
& the Nexus 5 is 485nits
Yet, I'm pretty sure we've seen both phones on Max brightness next to each other with the Nexus 6 being brighter.
In fact, every video I've seen with both the Nexus 6 & Note 4 has shown the Nexus to have the brighter screen with much better whites.
.....explain!?

chrisjcks said:
brighter screen with much better whites.
.....explain!?
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Much better whites? Yes I think so. Brighter? Where on earth did you see it brighter than note 4? Please share a link?
Thanks

plasmastate said:
Much better whites? Yes I think so. Brighter? Where on earth did you see it brighter than note 4? Please share a link?
Thanks
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Every video I've seen with both phones together.
If the Nexus 6 is supposed to only be 270nits, how is this possible?
I've also seen an image of the Nexus 5 & 6 together on Max brightness with the 6 being brighter.
Nexus 5 is 485 nits so PhoneArenas 270nits claim makes no sense at all.
Even in PhoneArenas own video, the Nexus looks brighter than the Note 4, easily visible during browsing & the video benchmark etc.
Google Nexus 6 vs Samsung Galaxy Note 4: http://youtu.be/afOEn-zm_y0

It's funny because when I was playing with the Note 4 in a Sprint store I was surprised to learn that the screen was at full brightness. It didn't seem all that bright to me.