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Hi guys..
I sad Google developed 2.2 to improve snapdragon cpu and becuase of that the benchmarks shows 3X faster cpu on nexus,
will work 2.2 on galaxy like nexus ? or not for SGS cpu!
at all what you think about power of CPU/GPU in SGS on 2.2 ?
Is nexus cpu better than galaxy on Android 2.2 ?
The Galaxy's CPU/GPU is the best on the market right now and with 2.2 it should fix a lot of software problems with the SGS.
Actually can't wait for 2.2, and it's released around about my birthday!
When is your birthday
22nd September mate. You can buy me a Galaxy S as a spare if you want
well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If froyo on the SGS sucks, then the chefs in here will cut it open and make it run properly and it won't matter what the FW was like when samsung sent it out. Also, TouchWiz is fine, even if it does have a dumb name.
I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
Edit: found the forum post
Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
shep211 said:
I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
Edit: found the forum post
Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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From what I've seen and read, the 2.2 builds for the Galaxy S do NOT have a JIT compiler enabled which explains the lower scores. The N1 got the huge CPU boost from having JIT enabled. That doesn't explain the Droid X's scores, but then again I haven't read enough about 2.2 running on the DX to see if it has JIT installed.
What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )
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What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )
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I would wait at this time before purchasing an SGS if that's your concern.
Out of the box, the current phone/software is laggy and disappointing. If you're willing to hack it with some of the various fixes found here (I prefer samset with mimocan kernel), then you won't be unhappy with the phone, but there's no guarantee that Samsung will get FroYo right, and that if they do get it wrong that the devs here will be able to bring you a hot, non-laggy, super FroYo ROM before there's better, or at least comparable hardware done right by the manufacturer available.
That's no reflection on the devs here at all, I'm just thinking that Samsung won't release the firmware until the end of September, the devs will need a couple of weeks to make magic at least, and so now we're well into October. By October, the SGS will be a six month old phone. Six months is a very long time in the Android hardware world, and we'll likely see a landslide of new phones with faster CPU, maybe even dual-cores in the fall for the holiday season. The only thing the SGS will have over other phones at that point is the Super AMOLED screen by Samsung, since they're holding it all to themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if Moto or HTC try to kang the iPhone display tech for newer models if they can't get Super AMOLED for themselves.
In the android world it is nearly impossible to but a device that won't be out of date within at most a year and sometimes within 6 months.
Having said that, I don't see anything that will topple the sgs quite that soon. Although there is talk of dual core snap dragons, there has been nothing announced yet, and indeed the two new Desire handsets are still on the same chip.
I wouldn't expect to see anything that will have more raw power than the sgs until at least mid 2011. If there was anything closer than that it'd already be getting hyped.
If you keep looking at what is just over the horizon then you won't end up ever getting one, because there always seems to be something new out in a few months time. The sgs isn't prefect, but it beats the hell it of most anything that you'll be able to buy this year.
My humble opinion of course, but I think that if you want top end hardware, the sgs will serve you very well.
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Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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The hummingbird core is widely recognized to be faster than the snapdragon core. Benchmarks do not tell you everything. Reference:
You might think that the Hummingbird doesn’t stand a chance against Qualcomm’s custom-built monster, but Samsung isn’t prepared to throw in the towel. In response to Snapdragon, they hired Intrinsity, a semiconductor company specializing in tweaking processor logic design, to customize the Cortex-A8 in the Hummingbird to perform certain binary functions using significantly less instructions than normal. Samsung estimates that 20% of the Hummingbird’s functions are affected, and of those, on average 25-50% less instructions are needed to complete each task. Overall, the processor can perform tasks 5-10% more quickly while handling the same 2 instructions per clock cycle as an unmodified ARM Cortex-A8 processor, and Samsung states it outperforms all other processors on the market (a statement seemingly aimed at Qualcomm).
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 7 million triangles/sec
Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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ickyboo said:
Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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You can't really say froyo is over hyped, I mean its free, and beyond that its an incremental upgrade.
I don't see why anyone would be staying on eclair once official froyo drops, and you can't deny that it will bring a performance boost.
Now I doubt it will bring quite as much of a boost as it gave to the N1 until we get a few months of development to really get it running sweetly, but all the same its still not over hyped if I ask me.
With optimized ROMs and whatever fixes we need (cuz samsung WILL break something) I figure the sgs will shred the N1's new scores. I recon we'll see around 3k in quadrant.
Considering how far ahead of almost everything a lag fixed non-stock-rom sgs is now, we'll see something really special once froyo starts rocking our crotches.
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The.Opethian said:
Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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Why powerfull phone? ok i'll tell u:
Because I don't like to buy an expensive phone (like SGS) that power is lesser than a chipper phone (like N1) !
Because I'd rather a phone without stalling (lagging) to play games and running big applications. I will very gray if i'll se lagging/stalling...
Because I need a phone with a good support (it's enough, don't need mazing support). a phone with a clear (alive or nice) Future
JIT for Hummingbird should be promising.
High Mem
anyone got any idea on the high mem issue?... when i was browsing the Gmarket.com, i realize 305 total available memory is not enough for me... and the web page just closed....
Hello, I am about to buy an android phone, after patiently waiting a half year (because I've been scammed when I attempted to buy an iPhone)
So, I really love phones with a qwerty keyboard and I live in Europe.
The only phone I like right now is the Milestone, but motorola is really being a pain in the ... against us european costumers, but at least they promised us the froyo update at last. (probably because they had to, it said "Flash 10.1 compatible" on the box.)
So my question is, what is your advice for me? If I wait for the MS2 I will have 2.2 for sure, but I'll have to wait for the device to get rooted..
Right now I can buy the Milestone at a 2 year 15€/month contract. It's retail price is € 387,-
Does anyone have any idea at all about the milestone 2 pricing?
I would like to play some games on the phone like N.O.V.A. and Asphalt 5 by gameloft. But from what I've seen, the multi-touch is reaaaly messed up. Is this correct?
Greetings, Mike vHL
For myself i decided to wait Milestone 2. Buy new phone, when there is a upgrade of him its not reasonable.
Sorry for my bad english =).
Thanks, but after watching a movie, I found out that the only thing that was changed that was really of impact to me was the processor, RAM and keyboard layout.
The processor doesn't make that much of a deal to me, since the games are still quite responsive. The keyboard layout isn't that much of a deal to me either. The ram would be nice, sure, but I don't care, since I've waited too long and really want an android phone, right now xD
About the multitouching thingy, the MS2 uses the same screen, so that isn't a deal-breaker either. I'm sorry for bothering the community with my stupid question.
Greetings, Mike vHL
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Thanks, but after watching a movie, I found out that the only thing that was changed that was really of impact to me was the processor, RAM and keyboard layout.
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I think that the new version of milestone its a work on the bugs.
I like new proc,keyboard and ram. That why i decide to whait for the new phone.
if there were no major hardware flaws, then its not really work on bugs rather than a work on buyers pocket with a 2 on the end
I myself plan to get milestone 1 even if 2 comes out, for the following reasoning
- milestone 1 prices should drop radically
- anything they have to offer on mile2 would be an overkill for me, cause I dont even plan playing games
- design of mile1 blew me off with metal finish
- last but not least - I used all androids from 1.6version till froyo on my kaiser and tbh if they release 2.2 for mile1 with all features working well, I dont need anything else xD
Get a Milestone 1. It may sound crazy, but i "upgraded" to a Milestone from a Nexus one. Sure, the Nexus had a snapdragon, 512RAM and proper froyo roms, but the Milestone has an ARM Cortex-8 wich can go beyond 1.2Ghz with absolute reliability while the Nexus was already unstable at 1.1Ghz, it has a PowerVR GPU wich beats the crap out of the snapdragon gpu even at the default 550Mhz. I don't know who told you about the buggy multitouch, but i can tell you that the Milestone has accurate multitouch compared to the Nexus that has a serious problem that snaps axis when they get close and mess everything arround. Seriously the milestone performance is almost unbeliebable and besides that, it's got a qwerty keyboard, i have seen better keyboards (HTC Universal) but at least we have one. Once we get a proper froyo release on the Milestone, you will forget about every other single phone, but for now you can use the latest MotoFrenzy if you dont care about the camera issue, or stick arround with the good old 2.1 releases.
Edit: Ah, sorry i forgot to mention the sound quality and built-in speakers. The Milestone has the best sound quality out of all the Android phones i have tried so far. (HTC Dream, Hero, Nexus One, Xperia X10 and Desire).
Milestone2 would still have Cortex A8 ARM cpu not qualcomm snapdragon as far as I know. PowerVR should still be in the game too. the extra RAM is going to make some difference especially when more apps are running. Phone will definitely feel snappier even compared to 1.1GHz overclocked MS1 (like mine ). Not to talk its going to run Froyo which is supposed to make things even smoother.
If you want to save money - get original Milestone, if you are ok spending a bit more and willing to wait - wait for the Milestone 2. I would wait for MS2 if I were you.
I am told the updated cpu in the Droid 2 and Milestone 2 is smaller, faster, yet more battery efficient. I know the D2 gets like 9 hours of talk time vs 7 for the original Droid and that is CDMA, where it uses a bit more battery than GSM. Something to think about.
Snapdragon, A4, Samsung's 1GHz, and the Ti OMAP processors in the Droids are all based off ARM's Cortex A-8.
Newer phones are upgrades over the Milestone in regards to pure CPU speed and RAM, but all of them, except for the Milestone 2/Droid 2 with the same LCD, have inferior screens.
I consider it an "upgrade" to move from the Galaxy S to the Milestone because the latter has a much better and more usable screen, which is more important to me than anything else, but the Galaxy S does have incredible touch accuracy.
If you have the funds, then the Milestone 2 is definitely a worthy upgrade. Personally, I wouldn't change my Milestone to anything else other than the Milestone 2, an international Droid X (due to its improved CPU, RAM, and camera), and the iPhone 4 --all of which are far more expensive.
Droid X has the same amount of ram, and same exact cpu as the D2. The camera is an upgrade but it isn't that big of an upgrade from what I have read.
The Milestone2 is definitely just another Milestone but with improvements.
Both devices have the same connectivities, same screens, same features and same physical hardware. The differences are
The biggest one is:
512MB RAM vs 256MB. The new processor will run faster and can multitask much better.
Next important thing is the camera difference, its the same 5MP shooter but it now does 720p video.
After that the next important thing is the physical hardware/keyboard: personally the Milestone does have a good qwerty so I'm not sure if this is an advantage or just a tie.
The last upgrade is the CPU: 1GHz vs 550MHz stock (O'C to 1.2GHz to surpass in performance).
Honestly, you can wait ~1month from now you can get the MIUI ROM (in development by dexter and the official miui team - better than MotoBlur)
with Froyo (so it will be tie),
800MHz (this is to increase battery life while giving good performance - better than Milestone2).
Or wait ~1month to get the Milestone2 and the only advantages it really would have is the 720p video and the extra performance and multitasking (from extra RAM). If you want the GameGripper for the Droid2/Milestone2 you will also need to wait for it.
The Milestone2 will get the locked bootloader so development on it will be slow or non-exsistant. If however it gets rooted and its ROM extracted, I'm guessing the camera stack will easily be ported to the original Droid/Milestone for 720p. The only thing is the Droid/Milestone would need to be overclocked (800MHz +) to be able to capture 720p video and that may not even be enough, maybe the RAM will be the limiting factor.
Well there's the information, now go make up your mind
Actually the biggest difference is the CPU, which is faster and give it longer battery life.
But the M1 can be overclocked to match the M2 (or be close), but the 256Mb RAM limitation cannot be improved. I personally have few problems with 256 megs, but with 512, you pretty much never need to close any apps.
That maybe so, but the M2 cpu while smaller is more efficient, and faster(plus the better gpu that comes with newer chipset).
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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GPU in P1010 is PowerVR SGX530!
IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
Earthbrain said:
IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
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PowerVR SGX540 in P1000 is much faster!
No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
How much is much faster?
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Don't care about the BT. I think the gps is actually there. Can anyone confirm that?
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No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
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It does have GPS.
The CPU is also different.
In summary, there are 3 differences:
1. CPU (not much different, I think)
2. GPU (thus can't play 720p smoothly, forget 1080p)
3. Bluetooth (transfer speed is lower)
I own one, and I'm disappointed at the GPU.
So what one does att carry
Thanks. Not getting that one then. Want full power
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HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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1. The P1010 weighs maybe 1 - 5 grams less because you don't need to put a card in it.
2. The WiFi-only only has a 16GB internal memory model.
3. No EDGE, 3G, etc.
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
Galaxy Tab WiFi is OMAP3
I just got a Galaxy Tab WiFi and will be returning it tomorrow.
The SoC is an OMAP3 of some kind. The GPU *is* an SGX530, which is significantly slower than the SGX540 on the Samsung C110 SoC. The OMAPs memory controller is also much slower than the C110s, various other OMAP bits are not up-to-spec compared to C110. The Galaxy Tab WiFi is a joke. Buy a nook color instead: save $100 and get a better LCD.
I'm sure that the product spec page for the Galaxy Tab WiFi said "C110 Applications Processor" a few days ago, now it reads "1GHz A8 Cortex Processor" (which isn't even written correctly, should be "Cortex-A8"...). I was suspicious when someone posted that they had inspected a P1010 ROM and it contained all of the TI OMX libraries, but I didn't believe that Samsung would redo the whole BSP for a product destined to sell zero million units.
I was wrong. Guess I'll wait for the Asus Transformer.
It seems that the firmware / Android version isn't upgradable by normal means.
There is no firmware or Android update selection like the Sprint version.
Kies indicates that the firmware is NOT upgradable.
Anyone know what's going on?
I brought mine yesterday
P1010 decode 720P video is fine (smooth) with stock video player
Screen is so great (actually better than my HD2 w/ Android) , just waiting for the great great xda developer work on the kernel so I can overclock mine...
Here is the list I really like
- ROOT access
- Overclocking , Memory Managerment
- UI Tweak (Using Go launcher at the moment)
pendevous said:
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
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I agree, I haven't seen anything definitive yet that shows it has the weaker CPU. Can any of you smart xda people who has either broken one open (not me, ...yet) or studied the code give a somewhat more definitive answer? I've had mine for 2 weeks now. I'm happy with its performance. But I know I'm going to want to play with the innards down the road. Is it really that much different from the tab phones?
Any update on this? I was going to get a WiFi tab but having second thoughts now...
@victor888 - what app did you use to play the 720p files, RockPlayer?
It is apparently different...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054872
the P1010 is not Bluetooth keyboard Compatible (No HID inside). apparently does not support video output through HDMI cable, please advise if anyone is working.
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Update... Solved Bluetooth compatibility.
Hi.
I could connect my bluetooth keyboard to my Galaxy Tab P1010 (only WIFI) by an application from the Android Market. This application is called "BlueKeyboard JP". I am using Stock GingerBread Rom.
greetings.
Tested it
Hey there,
I have read a lot about the differences of these Tabs, but I have not seen some real results.
So I just bought both of them... And I compared:
Fazit: the GT-P1000 is really faster then the GT-P1010!
I have made a screenshot of both Tabs. P1010 with Android 2.2.1 and P1000 with Android 2.2 with nothing running then Quadrant.
The results are:
P1000: 1090 Points
P1010: 691 Points
You can feel the differences by browsing, sliding the top bar down and using the back and home button.
I don't have pictures of the Hardwareinfos, but I lookes at them and there are a lot of differences. The CPU is the same. But the GPU is a [email protected] and a [email protected] All sensors are different and other things. [email protected] and [email protected]
I will make pictures and a list of all differences, if someone want's it.
Greetz,
Tillmet
I don't trust in Quadrant benchmark. If you use OCLF in the P1010 the result overpast the 1000 points.
In game I have good performace +-30fps in HD gameloft titles, like Eternal Legacy, Dungeon Hunter, etc. In video performace the P1010 play 720p h.263 very well (test it with the free Big Buck Bunny Movie 720p mp4, the picture quality is awesome) ;no so well with h.264 that need be 480p with a baseline level 3.0 profile.
Yes, is no so powerfull like the P1000 but with the price I am satisfied with it.
Ps. Android System Info show OpenGL 1.1 same that the P1000.
I am wondering if the LG OB hardware specs will be enough to have a fluid experience running ICS. Given that this device has only 512MB of RAM and a single core 1GHz CPU, do you guys think we could have an overall good experience running ICS (e.g. no lagging)? CPU IMO seems to be the least of the concerns, but what about the RAM capacity? I've read somewhere sometime ago that Google stated that any GB capable device, would run ICS with no issues, but I've also read in a forum that 512MB is the minimum required to run it so we might be on the edge. What do you guys think?
Important: This is not a thread to discuss whether or not LG will be pushing out the ICS update or when so let's try to be focused on the topic.
I am certain the Optimus Black has adequate hardware capabilities to handle ICS.
Apart from CPU and Ram, GPU is the next criteria for ICS which demand 2D acceleration to be handle by the GPU.
It is just up to LG / Cyanogenmod community to bring it to life.
it can handle...otherwise it wouldnt get the official update!
Keep one thing in mind that :
"Any device that can run Gingerbread can also run ICS" (according to google).
Its not possible when we have useless TouchWiz like Samsung bcoz it takes alot of RAM
I actually sold my Galaxy Tab when I heard that Samsung will not be releasing ICS for Galaxy S or Tab while it was only 9 months old !
So its useless to have a device that has no future support from manufacturer.
Millions of units of Galaxy Tab & Galaxy S were sold worldwide & Samsung embarrassed millions of user by just making excuses
Plus if mid-range Sony Ericsson phones can run ICS (via official update) then why now Optimus Black?
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
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Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
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Well technically the Black doesn't have 1 Ghz processor, it's just factory overclocked to reach that.
As for ICS, I wouldn't expect the official update to be out until 2013
I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
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I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
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OB is certainly able to handle ICS since Nexus S is able to use 4.0 with the same specification to OB. (1GHz CPU, 512MB Ram, but more powerful GPU SGX540)
yes, Galaxy S has some full working ICS ports, also on Galaxy SL i9003, which has the same hardware as our OB, there are some devs working on ICS
Theoretically yes. But will there be a stable and usable ics rom is another question. I am pretty sure before that I would be with another newer phone already. Now let's enjoy gingerbread first.
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ICS needs 1ghz cpu & 512 mb gpu. the black has both. i don't know what will happen with the stock ics as it will have the lg bloatware & the optimus ui, but with AOSP projects and trees like cyanogenmod,i think it can not only run,but run very well on our black.
and btw, the black uses tiomap 3630 & cortex a8 combo, i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
My Nexus S runs ICS AOSP+ 4.0.3 + M4trix Kernel flawlessly & very smooth. I also can OB & NS have similar hardware configuration, so it must be supported! CM9 already on its way afaik
I think OB can handle it as LG stated it in their schedule of ICS upgrade for their optimus phones.
achyut said:
i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
Just to be clear I'm not sourgraping but CM9 may just be our only hope for ICS (at least ICS before the end of 2012).
Since there is an ICS Beta avaiable for the GT540 (600Mhz) i think the OB will do just fine
now who went on to tell you ics requires 1ghz and 512mb... google for android developer phones and you will be surprised at the minimum spec needed for ics... these are the phones on which fw are developed and it is required that fw runs on them smoothly... the minimum reqs are so low that even 600ghz 256mb can handle it...
ps:no gpu required too
Ricardo said that every device with 512 MB ram and more will be supported by CyanogenMod
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in regard to my previous post (2 posts up) current dev phone is htc magic with only 192mb ram (unlike the 288mb that aired the market) and 528mhz arm cpu so that means ics was developed and should run on it. The galaxy nexus is the advanced dev phone and that is a totally different matter. This means that black will be more than adequate to run ICS compared to the htc magic's specs... It would be lame to asume that google is developing towards the high end users as even as we speak 1ghz is starting to become the standard on market and still it isnt if you look at the low end devices that are released out there still... There will be still some time till 1ghz/512 ram are considered the standard (not by users but by companies that is) so it is safe to assume that you will be ok for quite some time with black (and me with o3d). Hell my kid's huawei joy (aka vodafone joy845) has beta versions of ICS running and it is th lamest phone I ever layed my hands on.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
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from wikipedia (emphasis added):
3630-800MHz(underclocked): Motorola Bravo, Motorola Defy;[6]
3630-1000MHz(Default Speed): Nokia N9, Nokia N950, Sony Ericsson Vivaz, Motorola Milestone 2,Motorola Cliq 2, Motorola Defy+, Palm Pre 2, Droid X, Droid 2, Archos 101, Archos 70, Archos 43, Archos 32, Archos 28, LG Optimus Black, LG Optimus bright L-07C, Samsung I9003 Galaxy S(C)L, SAMSUNG GALAXY 7 TAB (P1010) Wifi Only, LG-LU3000 Optimus Mach, Panasonic P-07C, Panasonic Sweety 003P
3630-1200MHz(overclocked): Motorola Droid 2 Global
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Hi,
I have an old droid just sitting there doing nothing since I upgraded a year or so ago.
It has Gingerbread and was fine at the time but sluggish as anything. It works fine and I feel like its being wasted doing nothing.
Now that they announced KitKat and that it can run on lower spec devices, would it be possible to upgrade the Droid?
What I understand is that the Droid has 512MB or ram and at is what KItKat has been designed to run on as its minimum specs, so yea.
Any idea at all anyone?
Droid 1 has 256MB RAM...
Imho, the main problem is not the size of ram, but the lack of drivers. The GNex suffers from the same, although it's a more capable hardware, it won't get the official KK because Texas Instruments left the mobile business and there are no proper drivers. As far as I know, the latest driver for the OMAP3 SoC was for ICS, so it pretty outdated.
(There are KK build for the GNex, but because of the lack of proper drivers, it is very buggy.)
Blast. I was hopping that it could be done.
Also my bad, I had always thought it ran 512Mb.
OG
Love the OG droid.
Even the Droid 3, which has 512MB of RAM, is stuck on GB. It's a TI based chipset (OMAP4430), and the camera is closed source so that's why they haven't really been able to get a good healthy solid upgrade to newer 4.x versions. The sad part is Google has access to source code buying Motorola, they would have drivers they could build for ROMs and such. Nope, not happening.
Google has only Motorola's source codes. The drivers are the property of the manufacturers. For example, the chipset driver is the property of TI, so Google has nothing to do with that.
Goooood Times !
I love to see a new rom for my dear milestone, however unfortunately I have to admit that his era has long passed, and the hardware can not handle any more ... despite being even better than very low-end cell phone sold today.