How is this phone - LG Revolution

Thinking about using my upgrade for this phone......i would love honest feedback positive and negative
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I love it! Stock it is binged but root and put on GingerVolt its amazing.
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indyred99 said:
I love it! Stock it is binged but root and put on GingerVolt its amazing.
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I agree. Stock it isnt that great, definitely with the bing. Not a bad phone stock tho, i used it stock for about a month.
But once you root and put gingervolt on it, it is amazing. Mt has done some great things with this phone. (and root is easy now with his kit in development section)

The LG Revolution has very little community support. I wouldn't get it if you like having the latest in Android. Get a Nexus phone instead.

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Wait a week, see what's happening with the nexus.
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The LG Revolution is a very good phone. It has a terrible draw back, it doesn't have anything to make it a "flagship" phone. It doesn't have expansive speaker sound. It doesn't have wicked gadgets and dodads. It isn't the thinnest, the lightest, it doesn't have the best screen. Honestly, if you want a phone mentioned above, they are out there. What this phone is, is a phone. But what this phone has, that no other phone has: fans. It has the most loyal fan base of any phone I have ever seen. I have had many phones, and the forums, and the dedications to the development of this phone, are beyond anything you can imagine. And a lot of these guys have never developed until this phone. If these guys were not here, there would be no LG Revolution today. But through, their hard work, dedication, and our desire to want more, the LG survives. LG knows this, they know we are here, I hope they use it as inspiration to create a better phone.
The phone has no major issues. The phone is easy to unlock, get in, and rom away. It is a treat to be able to flash something new, in 5 minutes. Unfortunately, because this is not a "flagship" phone, there is a limited number of developers. But there is a plus to that: quality roms, themes, and mods.
I love my phone. I love the community. I have upgradeitis (to be unhappy a day after owning a product, and a desire to buy bigger and better) (my wife hates it) but I am completely happy with this phone. I don't know how many days I have until I can get a new phone, because I don't care. I am more than fine with using this one, until I get piss ass drunk and destroying it in a mad rage. (story is for dramatic purposes only)

Pretty bad I would say. Especially if you already have a Droid Charge. It has crappy stock software and an overall unrefined feel that usually comes about with LG Android phones. Not even close to being worth wasting an upgrade on especially with all the nicer phones available. Honest opinion lol

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Pretty bad I would say. Especially if you already have a Droid Charge. It has crappy stock software and an overall unrefined feel that usually comes about with LG Android phones. Not even close to being worth wasting an upgrade on especially with all the nicer phones available. Honest opinion lol
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I attribute this answer to drug use. Really what is going on with the youth today.
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And honestly, from the Charge, you are looking at a step up in looks alone (Charge is dang ugly) but mostly it would be a step over, if you remain in stock.
I bought this phone for two reasons: cnet had a review, that compared it to the iphone. (although, it really doesn't beyond the surface, I think the iphone has a better core system) And with in a day, it was opened and unlocked. With in a week it was Superoneclicked. That kind of openness has not been seen for awhile.
If you choose to wait.. I would wait until the Googlrola comes out. Android is all about being open, I would hope that their phone would be as well. It may be a bit, Tmobile, and Sprint will have first crack at a completely Google phone. Until then, you could have this gem.
So I just looked up Motorola in the news, and they are already planning for the RAZRMAX, it will have a better screen than the Samsung Galaxy, and a bigger, better battery.

Some may call me crazy, but I actually upgraded to the Revo from an iPhone 4 and never looked back.
The community, the ease of modifying, and general fun-ness of the phone really made me happy.
My one major complaint about the phone is the poor battery life.
Good programs exist to help out with that, they just don't play well with the phone.
Other than that, I have never regretted the move.

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Some may call me crazy, but I actually upgraded to the Revo from an iPhone 4 and never looked back.
The community, the ease of modifying, and general fun-ness of the phone really made me happy.
My one major complaint about the phone is the poor battery life.
Good programs exist to help out with that, they just don't play well with the phone.
Other than that, I have never regretted the move.
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Indeed, but to my recollection, it was notable compared to the Iphone in that department. There are programs, and over and under clocking that can be done. Like I told MT, I just did the Gingervolt 1.3 and the new kernel, and I have a really good battery life. With in the next couple weeks, as Android learns, it will get better.

Can u guess post screen shots using a custom rom for me
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Well, I don't think any of us have the original home screens. As far as me, I run gingervolt 1.3, Mt has screen shots on the development pages. And then I am using meezys theme? I should really put that in a signature so I can remember. Its either that, or indys.
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Well, I don't think any of us have the original home screens. As far as me, I run gingervolt 1.3, Mt has screen shots on the development pages. And then I am using meezys theme? I should really put that in a signature so I can remember. Its either that, or indys.
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Mines the marble theme! You know the best one!
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Check out the development section and gingervolt 1.3. Then head over to the themes and apps. Check out all the themes in there! Alot of people have really put in time to really get this phone full of awesomeness!
Yes i just said awesomeness lol!
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markapowell said:
I attribute this answer to drug use. Really what is going on with the youth today.
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And honestly, from the Charge, you are looking at a step up in looks alone (Charge is dang ugly) but mostly it would be a step over, if you remain in stock.
I bought this phone for two reasons: cnet had a review, that compared it to the iphone. (although, it really doesn't beyond the surface, I think the iphone has a better core system) And with in a day, it was opened and unlocked. With in a week it was Superoneclicked. That kind of openness has not been seen for awhile.
If you choose to wait.. I would wait until the Googlrola comes out. Android is all about being open, I would hope that their phone would be as well. It may be a bit, Tmobile, and Sprint will have first crack at a completely Google phone. Until then, you could have this gem.
So I just looked up Motorola in the news, and they are already planning for the RAZRMAX, it will have a better screen than the Samsung Galaxy, and a bigger, better battery.
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So there's no possible way on earth this phone isn't the greatest device ever made? And your opinion is a fact where mine is "attributed to drug use?" That's pretty childish I think.
I've used the Charge, HTC Thunderbolt, Droid X, Droid 2, Droid 1, Incredible, Fascinate if i'm remembering all. Did you just upgrade from a LG Dare or something? In comparison with these and other phones the Revolution just feels cheap and unrefined. Look anywhere on people's opinions of LG android phones. They aren't exactly in the highest regard. But that probably won't matter to you since someone with opposing views must be on drugs.
It helps looking at things objectively, just because you use this phone doesn't make it great. Also stop writing off your opinions as facts, and let the person decide.
OP get the Galaxy Nexus if you want something that will actually have the current software and will be supported in a timely manner. Also it's a polished and smooth device as evident by the reviews. A future proof device worth upgrading to I would say.

The revolution is the worst of the big screen LTE phones on Verizon. Anyone telling you different is fooling themselves so they can be happy with it. I highly recommend not getting it. In fact I'll ask you not to get it, as I dont want to see Verizon or LG make another dollar off it. Many people have already jumped off board and many others wish they could.
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Okay, All the people on here ripping this phone apart. No right now I wouldn't get this phone again given the choices I have of other LTE phones that have been released since this phones inception. If I went back to when I got the phone there is no other option for me. I think the Charge just looks like a piece of junk (if you like it go for it and buy it). The Thunderbolt is HTC and I'm just anti-HTC because of sense. With the phones out now I would either get the Droid Bionic or wait another month or 2. I don't want the Galaxy Nexus because the storage isn't removable (it's either that or the battery. Either way that's no go for me.) The RAZR doesn't have a removable battery so another no go for me there too. Who knows what will be out in a few months. Above all else OP get what you want. Go to the stores and play with each phone for some time to get used to it. Also, don't forget that Verizon lets you switch phones as long as you do it within a week. At least they used too. I hope this was helpful

If it was today, I wouldn't get this phone.. just like all hardware, new and improved hardware is delivered every day... but when I did get this phone back in the summer, I wouldn't have chosen anything else.. I picked it over the iPhone, over the thunderbolt, and over the charge... several things made me pick it.. the big screen, Netflix( at the time it was the only phone with Netflix.. ) and finally, IMO,it has the most responsive touch screen I have ever seen.. my gf likes it much better than her thunderbolt..
If you can get this phone for under 150 I would still get it today, even with the lte lineup.. it is much better than a lot of their premium phones and 100 times better than their cheap lte android phones..
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Only big plus for me is the vo-lte
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Don't waste upgrade on this phone!!!!!!!! GNEX is coming out on Dec. 9 and the RAZR is awesome itself. You will regret getting this phone once you see how the razr and gnex work. They are both clean and fast. If the gnex has a better radio than previous Samsungs, it will be the bees knees.

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[Q] Would you get the Revolution again?

With possible tiered data plans looming on Verizon, I'm now in the market for a smartphone. I want to get in with unlimited data. I'm in a 4G area, and want a 4G phone. I'm trying to decide which to get. Currently I'm leaning toward the Charge.
From those who actually own the LG Revolution, would you get it again, or would you go with something else? Are you happy with the dev work, or other phones are better? Sell me, one way or the other.
Based on the number of threads in the development forum, I'd venture a guess that the Charge has a lot more dev work.
Any other thoughts?
I am in the same boat as you and have read your other post. Not sure which way I will go yet, but I'm leaning towards the Charge. Although, I am hoping the Bionic comes out before the 6th of July (when the new pricing kicks off). I like the DX2, but would like 4G (even though it's not available in my area) and a Front Facing Camera (FFC). Tough choice.
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With possible tiered data plans looming on Verizon, I'm now in the market for a smartphone. I want to get in with unlimited data. I'm in a 4G area, and want a 4G phone. I'm trying to decide which to get. Currently I'm leaning toward the Charge.
From those who actually own the LG Revolution, would you get it again, or would you go with something else? Are you happy with the dev work, or other phones are better? Sell me, one way or the other.
Based on the number of threads in the development forum, I'd venture a guess that the Charge has a lot more dev work.
Any other thoughts?
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I don't think I'd get another phone. After debinging this phone, etc, I am pretty happy with it. We are limited on developers right now, but the one that we have makes solid products, so what I have learned from this experience (witnessing a plethora of developers), is that it's not always the quantity of developers, but the attention to detail the developer you have has.
There are some things to consider for the negatives:
1. Battery life is OK, but like all smart phones these days, it isn't great.
2. On most standard charges (including the one this came with) charge time is crazy. I use HTC chargers now (1amp) and it will take about 4 hours to fully charge.
3. This phone takes some work to get things done - Expect to push recovery yourself using detailed instructions, and expect to do a little work to get a ROM installed (not really that hard). Things are getting better all the time.
4. The charge probably has a bigger development community because it came without the Bing crap and was open source.
If you want to compare it to the charge in a positive light:
1. I have heard the charge doesn't have notification lights.
2. IMHO, kind of ugly.
3. The Revo as it sits is pretty much completely unlocked and ready for devs to mess with it.
Someone did a complete right up on comparisons here: http://androidforums.com/lg-revolution/344309-lg-revolution-vs-charge-vs-incredible-2-a.html
First thing I noticed he complained about on the charge was 384Megs of RAM. You will find this with all 512M phones because of how it allocates the memory to processes prior to boot (video, etc).
I would say that out of the 4g phones out now i would still choose the revo.. i had the thunderbolt it was really not a bad device. I ran it with the leaked alpha GB software and was worlds better than the firmware that came loaded even better than the update they sent out a month or so after it was released. I havent owned the charge mainly for two reasons: 1. i think it's terribly ugly, and 2. i just dont that i could ever bring myself to own a samsung.. they feel so cheap to me. I know that it can be sped up, but the two i played with (one store demo, the other a vzw rep's personal phone) both were jumpy, laggy whatever ya wanna call it.. i also despise the touchwiz UI it looks like kiddie version of the iphone with all those stupid squares on the icons. Now to the revo. Battery isnt a lot better than the tbolt but seems a tad better. The screen isnt "showroom" impressive but seems a bit more true, not so blown out like the samsung. I also think the phone looks better than eiether the charge or the tbolt. Now a couple things i dont like about the revo.. LG removes the android power widget, and i use that widget all the time. So i either have to use LG home and their power widget or download a 3rd party app... also i really am not a big fan of the little cover over the charging port, especially since with 4G u charge a lot.. the one covering the hdmi port is ok with me as that wont get used to often. And it does seem like it takes a bit longer than normal to fully charge the battery. Overall the LG will most likley tide me over till the bionic comes out which is all i am really looking for at this point.
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I'm 100% positive i'd buy the revo again.
For a 4G phone from current options... Revo
Honestly the INC2 would be my first choice but I wanted a 4G phone when it comes to my area in October.
If i could do it again i wouldn't buy verizon at all. Other carries just have much nicer options for phones.
I regret getting a Revolution. The bad part was that I traded the Thunderbolt in for it so I'm stuck with it. Currently trying to trade if for a Thunderbolt on Craigslist. While the Thunderbolt by itself isnt the best, but it has custom roms that fix its problems.
The Revolution seems to be backwards in some areas compared to other Androids that I have owned or used.
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I regret getting a Revolution. The bad part was that I traded the Thunderbolt in for it so I'm stuck with it. Currently trying to trade if for a Thunderbolt on Craigslist. While the Thunderbolt by itself isnt the best, but it has custom roms that fix its problems.
The Revolution seems to be backwards in some areas compared to other Androids that I have owned or used.
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what areas? I am not flaming just curious as to what you don't like about it? That would give the OP real info to base his decision off of..
even after debloating and debinging, i still don't like this phone. the interface looks stupid. someone gingerbread this thing!!!!
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even after debloating and debinging, i still don't like this phone. the interface looks stupid. someone gingerbread this thing!!!!
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Did you install the Debloated ROM or do it yourself? I installed the ROM and swapped the ADW launcher with Go Launcher. The stock home system is gone and the whole phone is a lot snappier. I'm keeping it.
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Did you install the Debloated ROM or do it yourself? I installed the ROM and swapped the ADW launcher with Go Launcher. The stock home system is gone and the whole phone is a lot snappier. I'm keeping it.
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i did it myself and i'm running launcher pro plus. has go launcher gotten any better?
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i did it myself and i'm running launcher pro plus. has go launcher gotten any better?
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You should really load the ROM that Cubed has put together. It is really nice. gets rid of the crap and puts Google back where it belongs. The capacitive buttons are now linked to Google. No Bing to be found.
There are still a few LG widgets i'm freezing sine they don't work in Go Launcher and I think I can find suitable replacements.
I'm not familiar with launcher pro plus, but I like Go Launcher a lot. Didn't care for ADW launcher.
I'll have to check out launcher pro plus to see how it compares.
Only thing I'm not keen on about the phone is the battery life, but it is 4G and those are some of the things we have to live with. These are a lot more powerful than my old BB Storm.
It's like having a computer in the palm of your hand.
I really think I'd get the Thunderbolt if I did it over again. They are basically the same phone but the 4G on the bolt is way faster and it has incredible dev support. Although we have cubed developing which is awesome!
just saw a video of the charge running gingerbread -_-...
mursepaolo said:
even after debloating and debinging, i still don't like this phone. the interface looks stupid. someone gingerbread this thing!!!!
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Switch to ADW, or something and poof, the LG Home and that big crap icons at the bottom are gone
I am currently using Go Launcher and LOVE it, sooo much faster, cooler looking, and 100% customizable home screens
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i did it myself and i'm running launcher pro plus. has go launcher gotten any better?
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Launcher Pro runs like a 1 legged dog on my phone. It was so laggy and slow... which really shocked me as it ran fine on my other old phone. I have been using adw ex and it runs fast and smooth. I also get better battery with adwex than I do with LG home.
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I regret getting a Revolution. The bad part was that I traded the Thunderbolt in for it so I'm stuck with it. Currently trying to trade if for a Thunderbolt on Craigslist. While the Thunderbolt by itself isnt the best, but it has custom roms that fix its problems.
The Revolution seems to be backwards in some areas compared to other Androids that I have owned or used.
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I'll trade you my Thunderbolt, I need something new.
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I'll trade you my Thunderbolt, I need something new.
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no thanks. i dislike the revo, but at least the battery lasts for more than 2 hours
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no thanks. i dislike the revo, but at least the battery lasts for more than 2 hours
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My thunderbolt gets 16-20hrs depending on the day, sometimes more...
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Lg thrill in my hands....

was lucky enough to get mine couple days ahead. Quality looks great, it feels good in your hands....camera and everything seems good so far....Now to root..
Rooted mine last night using Superoneclick with no issues. Gingerbreak doesn't work, but pneuter did.
gonna try rooting mine tonight....let me see and download superoneclick
Rooted mine this afternoon... clockwork rom manager thinks it is the LG optimus V... weird...
We really need a specific forum for this phone!!!!
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I have had this phone for a few days it really great. Don't know why it was getting such bad reviews. Its definetly better then the evolution 3d
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I had a chance to play with one today. Nice phone. But I just don't see the 3D as being anything more than a gimmick. It's a little on the thick side and doesn't offer an AMOLED. Though the LCD it has is certainly fine.
For the price...$450, one really can't go too wrong with it...unless the Infuse came down to that price point.
Just got my hand on it...stoood in line for 2.5 hrs to get it. so far so good, feels durable, screen is nice although i wish it was AMOLED or possibly Gorilla Glass(the one thing i'll have to get over coming from the captivate and infuse)..
Hope fully 2.3.3 comes for it soon the stock 2.2 is out dated, even though ATT promised to have all 2011 phones with 2.3...../facepalm
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Just got my hand on it...stoood in line for 2.5 hrs to get it. so far so good, feels durable, screen is nice although i wish it was AMOLED or possibly Gorilla Glass(the one thing i'll have to get over coming from the captivate and infuse)..
Hope fully 2.3.3 comes for it soon the stock 2.2 is out dated, even though ATT promised to have all 2011 phones with 2.3...../facepalm
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Tell me about it. I returned my Infuse, which had superior music reproduction and an amazing SAMOLED+ display and sweet design and feel, because AT&T didn't come through on the update they promised for Aug.
The sound quaity was so good on the Infuse that I got addicted to it and am having withdrawal symptoms...lol
Would love if you post a review here
Here what i think of the phone. THe previous phone I was usign was an infused so the screen doesnt compare. But is still good. I have read some people complaining about it lagging. I havent had any issue with the phone its fast and snappy to me. I caompared it with my friends atrix on gingerbread. Didnt do a quadrant. but the thrill was way faster. You will read people complaining about it being on froyo. TO be honest who the hell uses the oem roms that come on the phone. Cyanogenmod is working ona rom fro this device atleast the European version. From what I have heard the 3d is actually working.The device does have 512mn or ram but the clock speed on it faster then any other devices that have 1 gig or ram. TO be honest I dont need pc specs on a phone. i have a laptop for that. I wont be compiling kernals on my phone Thats just what i think for 30 bucks from costco how can you go wrong. I would just try it for yourself caus eyou may like it or you may not. ust dont go off of what the reviews are saying
tethering
I rooted my new LG thrill today with superoneclick...no problems how do I tether it to my computer so I can use it as a wireless hotspot?
It looks really good enjoy it
Using it for a couple of days now... have to say... other then the battery life... (getting a 1980mah in the mail soon) i dont have any complaints.... real quick... and the thing im most impressed with which i wasnt excpecting was the lcd panel... now a friend of mine has the infuse and that thing is the biznis!!! But the thrills lcd is not an amoled.... but it looks like one ... the colors are rich and the blacks very dark... in the sun it is absolutely amazing!!!! Better than the amoled!!!! I kid you not.
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Using it for a couple of days now... have to say... other then the battery life... (getting a 1980mah in the mail soon) i dont have any complaints.... real quick... and the thing im most impressed with which i wasnt excpecting was the lcd panel... now a friend of mine has the infuse and that thing is the biznis!!! But the thrills lcd is not an amoled.... but it looks like one ... the colors are rich and the blacks very dark... in the sun it is absolutely amazing!!!! Better than the amoled!!!! I kid you not.
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I just got this phone too and the battery life is pretty bad. Where did you find the 1980mah battery? I would be interested in getting one!
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Got the phone Sunday and the battery is pretty bad, went to sleep battery was pretty low when I woke up. Other than that, no problems with this phone yet, the 3D technology needs to be improved but, that's what early adopters get sometimes. Give it a couple of years the 3D will be amazing. Can't wait for CM for the Thrill to be released. It's already a snappy phone I can just imagine what it will be like with CM on it.
Love it. Coming from atrix did the tegra mod so I have the best of both worlds! Also the phones ram is dual channel so its faster then 1, 1 gig of ram! The battery sucks where did you get the 19mh one I'd love that! Then I wouldn't regret my phone switch at all!
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I had a chance to play with one today. Nice phone. But I just don't see the 3D as being anything more than a gimmick. It's a little on the thick side and doesn't offer an AMOLED. Though the LCD it has is certainly fine.
For the price...$450, one really can't go too wrong with it...unless the Infuse came down to that price point.
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I thought so too when I saw the commercials, but that one photo of my little girl in the store changed the game for me.
With the movie and electronics industries throwing their weight (read: money) behind 3D, it's probably not going away and won't be considered a gimmick for long.
Did lg lock the boot loader?
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No idea, but perhaps that question might be answered more readily in its own thread.
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As far as i am aware lg doesnt block their bootloaders..
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Would you trade your ns4g for an e3d?

So I have the choice of trading my n's and 30$ for an evo 3d and and I wanted some input from you guys. I love my nexus. Coupled with cyanogenmod this is the best android experience I've had thus far. My only gripes with it are the glossy fingerprint magnet battery cover, the crappy speaker, and ok camera. But everything else is magnificent. On the other side, the evo has a dual core CPU, qhd display(albeit its super LCD and with htcs crappy build quality I'm sure there will be backlight bleed), and a 4.3 inch display. The real reason I would do this is because if there's one thing HTC is good at, its wireless radios. I can't obtain a landline web connection so tethering is all I got. My download speeds are fine but my ping fluctautes too much. Makes playing battlefield 3 on my PC a chore 70% of the time . Anywho, convince me to keep my nexus, because for some reason I have this feeling that I'm going to regret doing this lol. But as of right now I think I'm gonna go for it.
pwnd by my ns4geee yo
i would wait to find someone willing to trade you their epic touch. that's the only phone i'd even consider giving this baby away for.
check craigslist periodically, you'll see something come up.
Yes. Dual core.
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I actually just traded my e3d for a nexus s. Not enough development for the e3d, drove me insane.
Wouldn't take the evo either. Google phones have very active developers as well as Google support which translates into faster updates and a longer lifespan with updates.
The dev community is what makes or brakes android phones IMHO, and nexus phones have always gotten one of the best.
Having actually gone from the EVO4G ->EVO3d (sprint bought back phone after 1yr, just payed $40 difference) and currently owning a NS4G afterwards, I would stay with the NS4G.
Although in theory the Dual core and Bigger screen may be viewed as an upgrade, with the correct development/kernel on the NS4G, I have had more impressive experience.
Considering you getting a EVO3d now, it probably has hboot 1.50+ on it which will cause you to run into a myriad of problems when trying to root/flashrom/kernel.
In comparison to the NS4G that is, the newer HTC's are locked and require you to use their own htc utility + other apk's to flash inside the system your rom/kernel (given that you have the lastest hboot like I did)
After have owning the Evo3d for a few months and trading my mother for her "older" NS4G, I would never go back. The development on this phone is impressive; hard to find another thread with updates so frequent.
That being said go with what you enjoy in your hand/feel/look/whatyouwannadowithit haha.
Sorry for the Rant.
Ps after ICS on my NS4G i would never go back to my evo. Not until they figure out some better rooting/flashing methods for their newer devices.
Btw the 3d camera is pretty gimmicky. IMHO. Unless you hold it with alot of precision, 3d never looks just right.
I decided against it lol thanks peeps. You've helped me in not making a horrible decision
pwnd by my ns4geee yo
But it still has myns warmtwopointthree.
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I actually had the e3d for a week, brought it back for the ns4g. I dont regret it at all
Theres something about the nexus s that makes it my favorite phone ive ever had haha
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I actually had the e3d for a week, brought it back for the ns4g. I dont regret it at all
Theres something about the nexus s that makes it my favorite phone ive ever had haha
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Same here
pwnd by my ns4geee yo
My first Android phone was an Evo 4G, and while I loved it, I've never been a fan of the 3D. I prefer the nexus.
why did u post this in theme app section
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I just traded my evo 3d for the ns4g and don't regret it one bit.
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why did u post this in theme app section
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I didn't... it was in general. Must've gotten moved?
pwnd by my ns4geee yo
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I actually just traded my e3d for a nexus s. Not enough development for the e3d, drove me insane.
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I also dumped my e3d for a nexus. The lack of AOSP development is the reason why.
Nope not really a fan of the Evo 3D and personally what I want of NS4G is emulators and those all work 100% fine.
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I actually just traded my e3d for a nexus s. Not enough development for the e3d, drove me insane.
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I did the exact same thing. a step back in power but the community for the ns4g is awesome!
no. But I'm not a fan of htc
Honestly, I think you should keep your Nexus. ICS and pure Google beat out Sense, and gimmicky 3D all day. In my opinion, of course.
And if you hate the battery door, try sanding the back! I did it to mine, and it looks great!
Tutorial and pictures here!

Atrix HD OBTAINED!

What's up fellow Atrix HD owners! I just picked up the AHD today and am absolutely loving the phone!
I switched over from the GS3 so I am getting a little used to the forum section we have here..Lol but hey I've been following the threads since this section was created! I can't wait for the Developing to begin! The phone is still new so I understand for very slow development at the moment but for now I am enjoying the phone regardless of root or any ROMs!
This community we got so far seems great and I hope to get this phone's full potential out with you guys! :fingers-crossed:
First thing I noticed was the Notification LED!! So happy this phone had it! Made the switch slightly easier haha, also glad to say it is MULT-COLORED!! So we are able to change the color! (Light Flow Lite is the app I used its Free)
How are you guys holding up with the phone thus far?? Especially those whom had the GS3?? You guys enjoying this phone as much as I am?!
Can I ask what made you swap phones?
I love the phone i had the s3 for a day and couldn't stand the feel of the phone or touchwiz. I had the one x which i loved and sold for this and i haven't missed it yet. The one thing i gave up is the battery life but i have an anker battery pack to charge it so it doesn't bother me that much. I think the detail in the screen is amazing coming from my eyes.
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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that loves this phone! It why the hox dropped on price. The phone its really smooth and so close to ics you have too love it. I also heard that a juice pack case us coming out next month for this bad boy so everyone better be ready.. Yea working at an Att store i get to play with all the phones, the gs3 is a bit better do to the 2gb ram but that's really it. I hate the blue tint you can see on the gs3, after using this phone. Also if you have used the native email on thus phone you're missing out its way better than gmail.... I just hope the new update will fix the camera thing
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Wow.. pretty interesting.. you swapped the GS3 for the AHD? Am curious what caused you to make the switch other than the blue tint on the screen. Most people rave about the GS3! And now that the dust has settled from the fiasco with Amazon when I ordered my AHD, I am back to square one trying to decide which phone is best. ATT has bent over backwards for me and is matching any deal I can get from Amazon on the GS3, HOX or AHD so needless to say I'm going to order from ATT directly.
And now that the HOX is the same price as the AHD, it makes the choice a bit more difficult. From what I understand the HOX battery lasts longer and the camera is superior, but the lack of multi-tasking and the hardware/software issues with the phone don't make it that appealing. So the choice now is really between the GS3 and the AHD. With Sammy selling over 10 million GS3's there's obviously tons of people that love the phone, while Moto is far behind in all ways. And it also appears its not likely this phone will get a JB update either.. Any advice you folks can lend? Thanks.
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Can I ask what made you swap phones?
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Yeah mainly I swapped because i really love the feel of the AHD. It feels very firm and well built in hand compared to the GS3. Surprisingly IMO it feels a tad bit lighter as well so I liked that as well. Don't get me wrong though not only build quality but touch wiz was also another reason. It wasn't cutting it for me, the fact the AHD was very ICS and lightly skinned by Moto was a big win! Also spec wise both are very similar! Only setting them apart is the battery and ram but i haven't noticed any problems within those area thus far. Using juice defender and the provided Smart Battery Extender really helped out alot!
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I totally understand how you feel! After having the GS3 for close to a month I was able to really get accustomed to touch wiz and it want quite what i was looking for..it did have ICS embedded but idk there was just something missing. Something theAHD has makes me not miss the GS3 at all haha.
Oh and the display...man just amazing so much clearer and crisp IMO smaller screen but not by much this is just right for me! Loving that color boost!
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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that loves this phone! It why the hox dropped on price. The phone its really smooth and so close to ics you have too love it. I also heard that a juice pack case us coming out next month for this bad boy so everyone better be ready.. Yea working at an Att store i get to play with all the phones, the gs3 is a bit better do to the 2gb ram but that's really it. I hate the blue tint you can see on the gs3, after using this phone. Also if you have used the native email on thus phone you're missing out its way better than gmail.... I just hope the new update will fix the camera thing
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Haha yeah this phone is just amazing! About the blue tint is very true! Coming from the GS3 I've noticed whites on this phone are very true! Colors just seem more natural as opposed to being very saturated on the GS3 !
I was thinking about getting the HOX but despite having no external micro sd slot that was a deal beaker for me. Also I'm very exited to hear our phones are capable of using a 64gb micro sd as opposed to the advertised 32gb!
And yes only downsides to me are the battery and ram but with juice defender and batt ext. I've noticed nothing less on usage time I was experiencing with the GS3!
Using the gmail app atm since my google account was synced but i have to check that out!
The camera could use a good update actually. Another possible win for the GS3 and HOX is the camera but honestly I've been able to take decent pictures nonetheless!
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Wow.. pretty interesting.. you swapped the GS3 for the AHD? Am curious what caused you to make the switch other than the blue tint on the screen. Most people rave about the GS3! And now that the dust has settled from the fiasco with Amazon when I ordered my AHD, I am back to square one trying to decide which phone is best. ATT has bent over backwards for me and is matching any deal I can get from Amazon on the GS3, HOX or AHD so needless to say I'm going to order from ATT directly.
And now that the HOX is the same price as the AHD, it makes the choice a bit more difficult. From what I understand the HOX battery lasts longer and the camera is superior, but the lack of multi-tasking and the hardware/software issues with the phone don't make it that appealing. So the choice now is really between the GS3 and the AHD. With Sammy selling over 10 million GS3's there's obviously tons of people that love the phone, while Moto is far behind in all ways. And it also appears its not likely this phone will get a JB update either.. Any advice you folks can lend? Thanks.
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Getting a price match at ATT is unheard of for me so your actually in a very good position haha. Since your choice had dwindled down to just the AHD and the GS3 it'll be a little tough and I'd say at this point it would be total preference.
Coming from the GS3 the only feature i am current missing is the camera. Yes it did have 2gb ram and bigger screen etc. but the screen is incomparable to the AHD IMHO side by side its noticeable in color hues, quality, clarity. Both are HD i believe the GS3 is using the pentile display still so i was noticing that a lot. With the AHD it was more of a natural look to me which i really love!
As far as battery i did mention that with the use of juice defender and the Smart Actions Battery Extender I'm Sweeting the same amount of usage i had on the GS3! So I'm really only missing out on the camera and ram at this point.
If you really are in a bind though..what i can suggest is you do a trial of both phones, i believe ATT offers a 30 day exchange period, so you can test each phone for 2 weeks to get a good feel Of both phones before actually making a final decision! That is exactly what i did and i couldn't be more happier with my choice haha.
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Well I went to the ATT store and chatted for a while with a rep that's a big Atrix fan.. he has an Atrix 2 that he's rooted etc.. Another very important point to me is when/if the device gets the JB update since Google Now is amazing. My concern about the AHD is that Moto may never unlock the boot loader and may take ages if ever to update to JB. We already know Sammy may send out the update as early as next month or at least before the holidays if not sooner. And the GS3 in garnet red is a very sexy looking device, though it's not as sturdy as the AHD. Since Sammy has sold over 10 million it has quite a following. The only question is am I going to be one of them. At $100 its a lot of phone but I do have concerns about how long the physical home button will last and if it will last. I actually was going to get a GS3 until the AHD came out but now.. I just don't know.
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Well I went to the ATT store and chatted for a while with a rep that's a big Atrix fan.. he has an Atrix 2 that he's rooted etc.. Another very important point to me is when/if the device gets the JB update since Google Now is amazing. My concern about the AHD is that Moto may never unlock the boot loader and may take ages if ever to update to JB. We already know Sammy may send out the update as early as next month or at least before the holidays if not sooner. And the GS3 in garnet red is a very sexy looking device, though it's not as sturdy as the AHD. Since Sammy has sold over 10 million it has quite a following. The only question is am I going to be one of them. At $100 its a lot of phone but I do have concerns about how long the physical home button will last and if it will last. I actually was going to get a GS3 until the AHD came out but now.. I just don't know.
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Thats a good point. We all know Moto has been very annoying with the BL being locked and taking forever with updates sometimes never, but both previous Atrix devices were capable of porting over ICS not officially though. So i believe that if we don't"officially" get JB down the line if we achieve root access and a possible BL unlock we will also get a port of some sort!
Though it is still too early to say at this time the AHD isn't a month old yet. but if your concern for choosing a device is mainly on official updates this being JB, then the GS3 is the way to go.
Also the color of choice as well. I did mention however in another thread that each color of the GS3 had defects with the back covers. I had the white one and even though i skin cased it from ghost armor from day 1 it still managed to have a horrible crack. The blue GS3 had paint smudges with the back cover, so as far as the red I'm not sure, but what i can say is for build quality i will vouch for the AHD. It feels premium in hand not to mention the kevlar just looks so good IMO very study phone. And to me personally the AHD felt lighter in hand.
I Hope that was of some help, but honestly whichever device you choose its a winner, both phones are in the top right now and you cant go wrong with either device! Good luck!
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Thats a good point. We all know Moto has been very annoying with the BL being locked and taking forever with updates sometimes never, but both previous Atrix devices were capable of porting over ICS not officially though. So i believe that if we don't"officially" get JB down the line if we achieve root access and a possible BL unlock we will also get a port of some sort!
Though it is still too early to say at this time the AHD isn't a month old yet. but if your concern for choosing a device is mainly on official updates this being JB, then the GS3 is the way to go.
Also the color of choice as well. I did mention however in another thread that each color of the GS3 had defects with the back covers. I had the white one and even though i skin cased it from ghost armor from day 1 it still managed to have a horrible crack. The blue GS3 had paint smudges with the back cover, so as far as the red I'm not sure, but what i can say is for build quality i will vouch for the AHD. It feels premium in hand not to mention the kevlar just looks so good IMO very study phone. And to me personally the AHD felt lighter in hand.
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With the level of security Moto has used this time around, making even rooting the thing a royal pain in the ****, I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a bl unlock....The Atrix 2 wasn't even this secure and it's bl still remains locked to this day. I have heard of GS3's cracking, but that's not something inherent to the color of the phone. Until it becomes a widespread issue I have to believe it's simply due to user error....many of us for years have been simply ripping our battery covers off like we always do cause the materials we're used to could handle it and they were so thick it was a non-issue. The plastic used on the GS3 battery cover is very thin so it makes sense that during removal the cover can be bent a little too far causing the cracks to happen. The fact of the matter is we have no idea what the users did or didn't do to cause the physical damage. Just like the one guy who claimed his phone spontaneously combusted while charging it in his car....and the issues with the blue battery covers was for the international versions of the phone, I haven't heard of any finish issues with the blue covers on any domestic GS3's.
The bootloaders WILL be unlocked, expect the tool to land somewhere between October & December. I'm hoping to see root before the tool, as I've never been a big fan of voiding warranty officially VIA the manufacturer...
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The bootloaders WILL be unlocked, expect the tool to land somewhere between October & December. I'm hoping to see root before the tool, as I've never been a big fan of voiding warranty officially VIA the manufacturer...
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Motorola has not said anything about the Atrix HD other than that it ships with a locked bootloader.
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Motorola has not said anything about the Atrix HD other than that it ships with a locked bootloader.
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Though Moto did say future devices will begin receiving Webkits for BL unlocks maybe they'll have a change of heart with our device considering its the first device released when moto and google got together possibly? Fingers crossed haha
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You have me swetting here deciding myself.. I purchased the HD then ended up taking it back...Comcerned it would never get root and battery life.. I ended up getting a Nitro than after having CWM foul, I bricked the phone (waiting on a refurb tomorrow). Good news is my nephew needs a phone I keep thinking I should give him the Nitro and order the HD in white. The black was very boring yet the white looks nice.
I also own a HOX and Nexus both are great phones all have their drawbacks.
Nexus: Amoled , mever really noticed till playing with a HOX for awhile also NO LTE other than that smooth phone.
HOX just not sure I really like it though it does seem large and has some other minor draws I just don't really like.
I know just friggin spoiled yet hey..LOL
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You have me swetting here deciding myself.. I purchased the HD then ended up taking it back...Comcerned it would never get root and battery life.. I ended up getting a Nitro than after having CWM foul, I bricked the phone (waiting on a refurb tomorrow). Good news is my nephew needs a phone I keep thinking I should give him the Nitro and order the HD in white. The black was very boring yet the white looks nice.
I also own a HOX and Nexus both are great phones all have their drawbacks.
Nexus: Amoled , mever really noticed till playing with a HOX for awhile also NO LTE other than that smooth phone.
HOX just not sure I really like it though it does seem large and has some other minor draws I just don't really like.
I know just friggin spoiled yet hey..LOL
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That's awesome man you got plenty of phones to choose from haha! Reminds me of myself though i airways switch between phones!
Personally while i did have the gs3 in white i also wanted the AHD in white although radio shack did not carry that color in store, but i would really love the white color, it would make me love the phone even way more!
Though how did you like the phone regardless of color while you owned it? If you do decide to go back and pick this bad boy up regardless of no root atm it's a solid device!
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I to switched from the gs3. I loved the phone, but just like my previous Samsung device i didn't get a signal in my living room. So far with the ahd i get 2-3 bars in my living room.
With that being said, i do feel like i downgraded. However the main reason to have a phone is to be able to use it as a phone, right? Lol
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I just got this phone yesterday and to be honest it's a big improvement over the galaxy nexus. Even without jelly bean this phone is smoother and faster.
I will post my battery life later today. I think my phone is going to last 4 days with normal usage. I do use it but not a 8 hour a day type usage..LOL
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G3 thoughts

I was converted to lg with Nexus 4, and have stuck with them. I was a long time HTC fan, but the g2 is the best phone I've ever owned.
I'm a little disappointed in the news on g3. It seems the screen will be bigger and a higher resolution, but the battery is staying the same? Isn't this going to severely change the battery life?
The processor isn't going to be the LG octa core we had hoped for, I am just really not too excited. Anyone have any good news?
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The good news is that the LG G2 is a great phone, and there is no reason to spend the extra money on the G3.
Thanks Devs, from my LG G2
Yeah I find it a bit ridiculous that they are going 2k screen yet many companies can't make a 1080p screen last more than 15hrs.
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Well I'm a phone junky. I've had the g2 longer than any phone ever. I just hope there is more to g3 than been released so far.
Also wish you could buy one of the new phones from One or OPPO and use them on Verizon
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G2 is still good I'll wait for G4, I think they are aiming too high on G3 with bigger screen and same battery size
I just don't get it sometimes. People are killing the HTC M8 and even more so the Galaxy S5 for being "more of the same", so LG works on a totally revamped UI, a (industry first) 2k screen and more that's yet to be seen and people are now complaining because they're "reaching too high"?
I understand the battery concerns, but that's speculation at this point. I am not a huge fan of the UI, but I also hated the original UI on my G2, it's grown on me with the help of LGs built in themes. I, for one, am glad they are trying to make their phones drastically different.
I have an upgrade I'm thinking of going to htc one m8. But was gonna give lg a chance to impress. How are the speakers on g2 I know will not compare to htc one m8.
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I have an upgrade I'm thinking of going to htc one m8. But was gonna give lg a chance to impress. How are the speakers on g2 I know will not compare to htc one m8.
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Honestly, with viper4android installed, along with a few sound increasing options ticked on it, my phone speaker is rediculously loud, stock its pretty quiet, but the potential for it to be loud is there.
I think HTC will inevitably be gone. Everytime one of the people does something that is of really high quality, such as their recent design guy, they leave. LG is one company that has the resources to go toe to toe with Samsung and Apple. I'm not complaining, I just don't want them to lose the momentum they gained. As for LG ui? I loved it from jump... Much better than Sense or TW
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I just don't get it sometimes. People are killing the HTC M8 and even more so the Galaxy S5 for being "more of the same", so LG works on a totally revamped UI, a (industry first) 2k screen and more that's yet to be seen and people are now complaining because they're "reaching too high"?
I understand the battery concerns, but that's speculation at this point. I am not a huge fan of the UI, but I also hated the original UI on my G2, it's grown on me with the help of LGs built in themes. I, for one, am glad they are trying to make their phones drastically different.
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The new UI will surely be ported to the G2 at some point, as for the hardware, I don't think they shot high enough. The hardware changes between the G2 and G3 just are not enough to warrant the cost in my opinion. I am with others, I will wait for the G4 or 5 before I make any changes. The larger screen higher res but same battery is going to be an issue. I guess we will see.
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The new UI will surely be ported to the G2 at some point, as for the hardware, I don't think they shot high enough. The hardware changes between the G2 and G3 just are not enough to warrant the cost in my opinion. I am with others, I will wait for the G4 or 5 before I make any changes. The larger screen higher res but same battery is going to be an issue. I guess we will see.
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It comes down to what's available. None of the new phones this year were massively better than last year. And battery technology has become lateral. 1080p is already as good as it can get..2k? Will or can anyone tell? The cameras are the only real place for drastic improvements and both HTC and Samsung failed to deliver. These companies keep pushing out phones because they have too now. Annual flagships are almost required to stay relative even when the technology doesn't support the need to upgrade. I'm excited to see what Motorola will do next. They're the only phone manufacturer last year that didn't use the latest and greatest and still hit the mark. Better camera, better battery life and better screen. all fairly easy to obtain. And they have a homerun
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I'm also curious if Verizon will pick up the Sony phone. That could be interesting
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I'm also curious if Verizon will pick up the Sony phone. That could be interesting
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Forgot which site it was but they reported on a rumor stating it would be coming to Verizon. Seeing as how Sony is facing manufacturing delays though in other markets who knows when it will finally come to the US.
As for the G3 I'm just hoping Verizon doesn't push LG around in order to have a unique variant like they did with the G2. It results in a very limited amount of cases to choose from when compared to the standard model.
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I'm also curious if Verizon will pick up the Sony phone. That could be interesting
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I dunno if you guys have heard of Flowly (App that has several sources for Android news like Phandroid, AH, AC, etc) but I read a few articles on there that said the Sony Xperia Z2 will not be coming to any US carriers, not even T-Mobile. They'll sell unlocked phones in the US but that's it. I don't know why, but it seems like something on Sonys end is causing issue since not a single carrier will be selling it. It's lame IMO, but things like that are why Sony doesn't matter when it comes to anything Android.
*edit* http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...rrier-available-only-on-Sonys-website_id55546
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As for the G3 I'm just hoping Verizon doesn't push LG around in order to have a unique variant like they did with the G2. It results in a very limited amount of cases to choose from when compared to the standard model.
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I have grown very fond of the wireless charging though.
Yeah its cool, but I'm tired of being the bastard model too. Cases are hard to find. I'm anti iPhone but if iPhone 6 looks cool, I'm tempted to get it just so I can play with cases for a bit
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Yeah its cool, but I'm tired of being the bastard model too. Cases are hard to find. I'm anti iPhone but if iPhone 6 looks cool, I'm tempted to get it just so I can play with cases for a bit
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You should be kicked out of your own thread for saying that. Lol
We don't need a 100 cases. I'll gladly take Qi charging over standard back design. I only wish Verizon hadn't changed the back buttons.
Worry about locked bootloaders, not cases.
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We don't need a 100 cases. I'll gladly take Qi charging over standard back design. I only wish Verizon hadn't changed the back buttons.
Worry about locked bootloaders, not cases.
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That bootloader is what worries me. Since they blocked Loki with KK, the G3 is going to be in the same boat. But this time with no way to push a loki'd aboot since there won't be one.
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We don't need a 100 cases. I'll gladly take Qi charging over standard back design. I only wish Verizon hadn't changed the back buttons.
Worry about locked bootloaders, not cases.
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You mean You don't need cases and prefer wireless charging. You don't speak for everyone tho. I care less about wireless charging but enjoy a variety of cases to mix it up.
I agree on the boot loader. Its gonna suck
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