Will the sins of my past haunt me?
I have seen discussions on other forums about how those of us who used Cheesecake to install .893 from the Moto servers will not be able to take advantage of future updates.
I hope Motorola keeps in mind why customers installed .893. I paid $300 for a phone that had significant data connectivity problems. It was frustrating to know that Motorola had a fix available but I could not take advantage of it. I totally understand the need for Motorola to go through a careful quality assurance process, and I agree with it.
As an experience IT professional I read up on how to install the leaked update. I was confident I could do it without bricking my phone. I also read that it may take me off the update path, although I am optimistic this will not be the case. I knew I was installing the update at my own risk. Had I bricked the phone then I would accept the responsibility. I did not.
The leaked update significantly improved my data connectivity. I am thrilled with the phone. I also am looking forward to continuing down the upgrade path. I will be very upset if Motorola deliberately prevents this because I installed there, albeit leaked, update to resolve the known issues that existed with their phone.
I was not trying to get something I did not deserve. I was trying to get what I paid for, a working phone with reliable data connectivity. I use the phone for business and I absolutely require a smart phone with data. Had I not applied the .893 update I would have been forced to revert to my OG Droid. I did not apply this update to get anything more then what I paid for.
The decision is Motorola’s. Although I think it is wrong, Motorola can lock us out from future upgrades. There is not much we can do about it, except not buy Motorola in the future.
I believe Motorola is an awsome company and will make what I believe is the correct decision. If they don’t I suspect there will be a developer that will come up with a work around. Of course this will further push me off the upgrade path.
I would prefer to be completely stock. I do not need to be rooted. I do not want what I did not pay for. However, the only way I could use the phone’s data capability, a requirement for getting email, was to install the update.
This new, 'unable to upgrade unless stock' just adds to the whole bionic disaster. I was in your boat and held off for as long add I could stand it.. My 500 dollar phone was basically a useless paper weight. The data drops were horrid. Most days I had no data and battery pulls were a frequent part of the 'user experience'. I can't remember being this angry over some thing I have bought. After the uptenth release delay I tools myself I wasn't buying it. unfortunately the phone I had was done for, and I gave it a shot. At this point moto would have to do something extraordinary for me to buy anything from them again. I was looking a an Xoom... But decided on a Toshiba thrive. Their customer service is a wee bit better. Hopefully a Dev will come up worth a solution to this and I will be able to have a useable phone for the next year.
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I was in the same boat you're in, but Verizon insisted on sending me out a new phone last week. I will be buying a Galaxy Nexus for full price as soon as it's out. I returned my phone to stock .886 (I know the radio and kernel don't go back) and removed root before I sent my old phone back. I am using the new phone they sent right now. I rooted it to use Titanium Backup, but I sure as heck won't upgrade it again so I can sell it as soon as the Nexus is out and won't have to disclose that I upgraded it
They really have no choice unless they want to replace alot of Bionics.
I will recieve the official updates (including ICS) or I will insist on a replacement phone from Big Red. I'm sure I'm not the only one here. I pay for unlimited data, not occassional data. Not to go off topic, but I use less than 1GB of data a month, I don't feel guilty using the FREE hotspot to tether my Xoom. Contracts are supposed to benefit BOTH parties.
The .893 update might very well be the official update. I called moto and asked them about this potential problem. They saw that my system was 5.7.893 and told me I was on the latest and most up to date version. I thought they must just be dumb or something. However today someone posted on droidforums that they received an official ota update notification on their phone and after taking it they were on 893. Thus user supposedly called moto as well and they told him the same thing. That 893 was in fact the official update that would be released to everyone. Anyways at this point its all kinda speculation as its hard to know if these are truths and if moto/consumers are just confused. Either way if its turns outs that its not the final update and we can't take the real one from.the kernel mismatch, moto will allow u to send.them the phone and they will flash it for you. We did not void our warranties from applying it manually. They assured me of this. So while it might be an inconvenience, we will not be stuck.
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I'm with the OP. I travel constantly and the bionic is my sole source of internet (I have the hotspot add on). I too applied the 893 update back in early November because I needed the phone to work.
oddly enough I flashed the radio and system back to stock last night and my phone and lte have both been faster.
If i'm unable to ota the offical update i'm going to call American express and claim a warranty issue that I get data drops and that vzw and moto haven't resolved my issue. Generally they credit me for the purchase price of the phone since I paid full retail for the bionic and i'm going to jump ship for the Samsung.
One of the advantages of the amex gold and platinum cards.
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just an fyi:
more and more sources are pointing to 5.7.893 as the OFFICIAL ota update. So all the rumors of what will be the final release, and everyoen trying to get back to stock if they applied this. Or people trying to get to the 5.8.893 or higher versions, etc, seems futile at this point. 2 users buying new bionics report that there phones are on 5.7.893 out of the box. In calling motorola, they confirmed this was the most up to date version. They told me teh same thing as well.
Here's a quote from someone at droid forums:
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For what its worth, I just bought a bionic 2 days ago and its running 5.7.893 right out of the box. No ota update."
So, if you applied the leak that updated your kernel/radio and your system version is 5.7.893, i think you can rest assured that you are UP TO DATE. You will not receive any OTA cause you are already on the latest version. AND, when the next OTA comes out (ice cream sandwich i believe), you Will be able to take it as your system is good.
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Hey everyone, I bought the LG in August. So far I love this phone. I have previously owned the Droid Eris, had that rooted and running all different kinds of Roms. I also previously owned the Droid 1 after they warranty replaced the Eris after 3 tries.
Now onto the next items, I have been lurking this site for quite a while now, I like what I am seeing with this phone, I am still debating whether or not to root this phone with the downgrade and rooting that way or just waiting a while longer and see if that rumor is true that the phone will see GB possibly next month. According to the tech at Verizon that I talked to the other day it should drop once the Revo2 comes out.
Welcome! in my opinion it's definitely worth downgrading to get root on this phone especially since you've already rooted other devices. Nobody really knows how long it's going to take them to release GB for the Revo so it could be a long wait. Our devs have put together some very solid, fast and stable roms. To get the most out of your phone, rooting is absolutely worth considering and you can always unroot when GB finally drops if that's what you're into...
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The rumor I heard about a month ago was that the LG Rep had told the Verizon store, during a visit, that they wre skipping 2.3 and going to a higher release. Not sure if that's true, so I would go with rooting for now if you want to play with things because if that rumor is true, it might be a few months before that ever happens. But, then again, Portland Oregon wasn't supposed to have 4G yet and we've had it for a while now.
-Cybie
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The rumor I heard about a month ago was that the LG Rep had told the Verizon store, during a visit, that they wre skipping 2.3 and going to a higher release. Not sure if that's true, so I would go with rooting for now if you want to play with things because if that rumor is true, it might be a few months before that ever happens. But, then again, Portland Oregon wasn't supposed to have 4G yet and we've had it for a while now.
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Hadn't heard that. That would be nice.
After more looking I think when I get of work tonight I just might root. As long as the radio still is good around here with V4.
My fiance is getting the Bionic, it's expected early next week. What are the known problems with this phone so we know what to expect?
Oh, and this wasn't a phone of either of our choice, Verizon kinda forced it on her. She had her phone stolen at work and Verizon offered to give her this phone for a price, but give up her upgrade next yr and sign a 2 yr agreement. When we tried asking for another phone, we got a firm "we can't do that." I know, really bad deal... I may try calling on her behalf to get that straightened out tonight.
But in case we're stuck, I was just curious about the problems.
What phone did she have? What phone would you and her rather have had? Since you're showing a little hate, I'll show a little love........... Bionic is the best phone out there, you won't find anything better.
Most of the issues have been resolve with the updates love the phone have had it since launch very fast and no lags in the software 4g is great, only issue is a data drop maybe once a week when switching from 4g to 3g.
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I didn't mean to give the impression I was expecting this to be a terrible phone. Just as getting anything new, you want to know what to expect. I'm an avid Android user and know the specs. The phone seems to be a great phone, but it can be a bit harder to investigate any problems with it. I was hoping someone would say the bugs were worked out, so thank you for that. The hate comes from the way Verizon kind of screwed her out of an upgrade without any choice of phone. We didn't know what we would have rather had yet, but having known it would be giving up an upgrade, we would have liked to look into what is available and actually have a choice.
But the Bionic IS an upgrade from what she had before. She had the LG Revolution which was a terrible experience. Thanks for the feedback though. Like I said, I was just trying to get a better idea of what to expect. (Thanks buttons have been clicked)
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I didn't mean to give the impression I was expecting this to be a terrible phone. Just as getting anything new, you want to know what to expect. I'm an avid Android user and know the specs. The phone seems to be a great phone, but it can be a bit harder to investigate any problems with it. I was hoping someone would say the bugs were worked out, so thank you for that. The hate comes from the way Verizon kind of screwed her out of an upgrade without any choice of phone. We didn't know what we would have rather had yet, but having known it would be giving up an upgrade, we would have liked to look into what is available and actually have a choice.
But the Bionic IS an upgrade from what she had before. She had the LG Revolution which was a terrible experience. Thanks for the feedback though. Like I said, I was just trying to get a better idea of what to expect. (Thanks buttons have been clicked)
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I just got my bionic yesterday on a warranty swap (had an LG Revolution also... went through 3 of them before they gave me another option). All I had to pay for was a battery and battery door.
Rooting it is now fairly easy. ICS builds are out there, but I'm not satisfied with the quality try for daily use. One you root it and ROM it, first thing to do is wipe battery stats.
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I just got my bionic yesterday on a warranty swap (had an LG Revolution also... went through 3 of them before they gave me another option). All I had to pay for was a battery and battery door.
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Wow, lucky you. They'll do anything to get more money from ya (us) huh? They're reasoning is they're letting her upgrade over a year early - hence the reason for no choice.
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Rooting it is now fairly easy. ICS builds are out there, but I'm not satisfied with the quality try for daily use. One you root it and ROM it, first thing to do is wipe battery stats.
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I appreciate the rom tips, but she refuses to go that route - I tried. I've rooted and flashed countless roms on 3 phones i've owned, but she isn't comfortable letting that happen. so, her use will always be 100% stock. But since we're on the topic, any promise of an official ICS update? I'll look into this myself if no one cares to answer. I'm sure that's easy to find.
Motorola has promised ics but there is no set date for it.
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Some nice things
I just got mine a couple of weeks ago. While you did ask about known issues, I guess it's only fair to mentions some positives as well.
1. The 4g, at least in my area (around Baltimore), is pretty great.
2. Patching the mobile hotspot is fairly easy, (if you don't mind spending a couple of bucks on the right app) which is quite useful if you're grandfathered with unlimited data.
3. The lapdock can be quite useful - emphasis on "can" - as you can have a full blown linux OS running on it (takes some nerdiness to get it working nice, but I honestly think it's well worth it since I paid only about $70 for my lapdock).
4. Rooting the phone is extremely easy.
5. If you mess anything up, restoring it to its original state is fairly easy and mostly fool proof (as with all motorola android phones) using RSD Lite.
Got mine about 2 weeks ago and I absolutely love the way it works. My wife upgraded as well to her first smartphone, but sadly she chose the Samsung Charge. When I showed her the pink theme for Eclipse 2.2 she was having 2nd thoughts on her choice. Over all a damn good device and lots of different options for it.
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Wow, lucky you. They'll do anything to get more money from ya (us) huh? They're reasoning is they're letting her upgrade over a year early - hence the reason for no choice.
I appreciate the rom tips, but she refuses to go that route - I tried. I've rooted and flashed countless roms on 3 phones i've owned, but she isn't comfortable letting that happen. so, her use will always be 100% stock. But since we're on the topic, any promise of an official ICS update? I'll look into this myself if no one cares to answer. I'm sure that's easy to find.
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The data drop issues I had were resolved with the leaked .904 update. Fairly simple to apply and the phone stays stock since its just an update, maybe you need to root. (I was rooted when I applied it and had to reroot after.)
Other then that I would occasionally get duplicate texts and it would get rather annoying getting the same text multiple times, one time it didnt stop so I had to reboot (note that this is same in stock as well as roms and messaging apps).
Since then I disabled the timestamp option in the text messaging and it seems to have resolved it. (2 days with no duplicates) I re-enabled it to see if it would start doing it again to see if the timestamps are the actual root cause of the problem.
Those were my only issues with Stock. Since then I have been running Eclipse and have been loving it.
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Got mine about 2 weeks ago and I absolutely love the way it works. My wife upgraded as well to her first smartphone, but sadly she chose the Samsung Charge. When I showed her the pink theme for Eclipse 2.2 she was having 2nd thoughts on her choice. Over all a damn good device and lots of different options for it.
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DROID Charge?? that's a terrible choice.
Well with 3 weeks to go before my warranty is up I contacted VZW about my non working alt key and my ****ty gps connections. They were more than happy to send me a CLNR and I was more than happy to recieve it. With the first replacement I made the mistake of activating and downloading all my apps before trying the physical keyboard (I would not make this mistake again). It was horrible. Maybe every 3rd or 4th letter I typed would register. Again I called and again they sent another CLNR.... this one was just as bad as the 1st. Called again and explained the issue, they promptly sent out a 3rd. Now the 3rd CLNR had a perfectly working keyboard. Happy with the keyboards performance I fired up the maps app to see about gps.... this it when it first rebooted. It then rebooted 8 more times in about 20 mins. So again I called VZW, and again I was very polite as I always try to be, and as soon as I described the newest issue she stopped me and informed me that she was going to send me to "tier 2" resolution and told me that they could do more for my situation including upgrading me early(not due till 03/13), she also thanked me for being "patient and understanding" noting that alot of customers she dwalt with were not. The "tier 2" rep also mentioned how polite I was and that usually they are being screamed at and called every name in the book. I got the felling that keeping my cool helped escalate me through the process quicker. In the end I was offered and excepted an early upgrade and chose the Galaxy Nexus due to it's unlocked and thoroughly supported dev community. I'm so appreciative of Hashcode and everyone else who supported the Droid3. Sadly tho my Droid3 will be retired to a box in my closet while my now almost 3 year old original Droid still gets used everyday as a wifi/gps device.
early upgrade at a discounted price? hope you didn't have unlimited data cause now you most likely wont..
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early upgrade at a discounted price? hope you didn't have unlimited data cause now you most likely wont..
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I used to have unlimited but lost it when my wife upgraded. It sucks....
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I used to have unlimited but lost it when my wife upgraded. It sucks....
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Just curious - are they taking away unlimited data with all upgrades these days? I upgraded last December and my wife in January but we kept our unlimited data with that one.
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Just curious - are they taking away unlimited data with all upgrades these days? I upgraded last December and my wife in January but we kept our unlimited data with that one.
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Yeah, I think it started in June or July.
I know it's expensive, but buying a new device outright and not taking the discounted contract price will allow you to keep your unlimited data. Your not changing anything/signing a new contract, just activating a new device.
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My friend recently got a D4 in place of his oddly-broken D3. He told me he had put it in his pocket while moving his mom's stuff to her new house, he bent over and heard a *crack*...and sure enough, a massive crack diagonally across his phone.
He called it in, and Got a Refurbished D4, with his original Contract in-tact. Unlimited 4G... Lucky Son of a Gun.
I thought about doing that to my phone, but its rooted, lol. My contract is up in the exact same month/year as your's OP. Hopefully, they'll let me keep my Unlimited Data come upgrade time, or I may just be goin to a new carrier for a QWERTY Phone.
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My friend recently got a D4 in place of his oddly-broken D3. He told me he had put it in his pocket while moving his mom's stuff to her new house, he bent over and heard a *crack*...and sure enough, a massive crack diagonally across his phone.
He called it in, and Got a Refurbished D4, with his original Contract in-tact. Unlimited 4G... Lucky Son of a Gun.
I thought about doing that to my phone, but its rooted, lol. My contract is up in the exact same month/year as your's OP. Hopefully, they'll let me keep my Unlimited Data come upgrade time, or I may just be goin to a new carrier for a QWERTY Phone.
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As long as you don't get a subsidized phone, you'll be able to keep your unlimited plan. As far as I know they're still allowing you to switch from 3g to 4g with it too.
I'm also saying goodbye to my D3, although it's working perfectly I felt that it was too slow for my needs. It's rather disappointing to see such good hardware wasted because of 512mb of ram. If it wasn't for that, we would have already at least an ICS leak with a great phone. I got a Note and it should arrive today or tomorrow. I'm afraid the community isn't going g to be as food as this, but let's see how it goes, after all we are all in xda
I have to say this was a great community to be part of. You guys remind me of M2 community, we had committed devs just like hash and jonpry who made our little phone incredible for its time, and still today is being updated, with a semi-functional JB build, even a semi functional camera and hw drivers.
I hope you guys get your JB, and to hash and all other devs who worked on the D3 success on your careers and lives, you guys are amazing!
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My friend recently got a D4 in place of his oddly-broken D3. He told me he had put it in his pocket while moving his mom's stuff to her new house, he bent over and heard a *crack*...and sure enough, a massive crack diagonally across his phone.
He called it in, and Got a Refurbished D4, with his original Contract in-tact. Unlimited 4G... Lucky Son of a Gun.
I thought about doing that to my phone, but its rooted, lol. My contract is up in the exact same month/year as your's OP. Hopefully, they'll let me keep my Unlimited Data come upgrade time, or I may just be goin to a new carrier for a QWERTY Phone.
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Unroot then.
Recently I updated to OF3 and found out the hard way that there is no root method. Frustrated at the fact that nothing was available at the moment, I unhesitatingly updated to OF4 for the StageFright patch. Soon after that, I had the itch that a possible root method might be coming out for OF3 and flashed, through ODIN, the stock OF3 tar files to my OF4 S6. All booted up well and was looking flawless untill I noticed the circle with a line through it, indicating that I had no service whatsoever. Worried, I re-flashed the OF3 and got nowhere, so I turned to the AT&T support center where they had previously replaced my phone with an issue like this. I went in (under warranty) and gave them the phone to look at. 10 minutes later they realized that they couldn't do anything and replaced my phone on the spot with a brand new replacement running the original OCE firmware. I was ecstatic and relieved at the fact that I could achieve root once again. Anyway that was my tedious journey back to OCE. :good:
Wtf does this have to do with development?
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Wtf does this have to do with development?
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My apologies guys, wrong thread guys! Any way this could be moved?
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Recently I updated to OF3 and found out the hard way that there is no root method. Frustrated at the fact that nothing was available at the moment, I unhesitatingly updated to OF4 for the StageFright patch. Soon after that, I had the itch that a possible root method might be coming out for OF3 and flashed, through ODIN, the stock OF3 tar files to my OF4 S6. All booted up well and was looking flawless untill I noticed the circle with a line through it, indicating that I had no service whatsoever. Worried, I re-flashed the OF3 and got nowhere, so I turned to the AT&T support center where they had previously replaced my phone with an issue like this. I went in (under warranty) and gave them the phone to look at. 10 minutes later they realized that they couldn't do anything and replaced my phone on the spot with a brand new replacement running the original OCE firmware. I was ecstatic and relieved at the fact that I could achieve root once again. Anyway that was my tedious journey back to OCE. :good:
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surely you learned to read up before updating as well lol
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surely you learned to read up before updating as well lol
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I've learned lol
So you soft bricked your phone and got it replaced under warranty?
This isn't downgrading firmware, it isn't new, and it isn't ethical.
There are several unethical aspects on the other side to be argued. For starters, how about, is it ethical to be told what I can and can't do with a device I bought and own...especially if i paid for it in full? Is it ethical to not give me the ability to uninstall software I choose not to have on a device I own? Is it ethical to delay firmware updates that include high risk security updates for almost a year? Is it ethical to charge for Internet tethering when I already pay for Internet on a device that natively supports tethering? I can keep going if you would like....
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There are several unethical aspects on the other side to be argued. For starters, how about, is it ethical to be told what I can and can't do with a device I bought and own...especially if i paid for it in full? Is it ethical to not give me the ability to uninstall software I choose not to have on a device I own? Is it ethical to delay firmware updates that include high risk security updates for almost a year? Is it ethical to charge for Internet tethering when I already pay for Internet on a device that natively supports tethering? I can keep going if you would like....
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It is when you sign the paper that says you agree to all those things.
Just because you sign the paper doesn't make it ethical or right. Again, one could argue, even if it's in your contract that says the carrier may provide updates whenever or not at all, is that ethical to do so in modern times and leave your customers vulnerable to attacks or security exploits because you don't provide updates in a timely manner? Its called unethical business practices in which all carriers get away with. They stick it to us, so I'm all for sticking it to them given the opportunity to do so. Either way, I'm pretty sure the carriers are getting the better side of this deal at the end of the day.
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Just because you sign the paper doesn't make it ethical or right. Again, one could argue, even if it's in your contract that says the carrier may provide updates whenever or not at all, is that ethical to do so in modern times and leave your customers vulnerable to attacks or security exploits because you don't provide updates in a timely manner? Its called unethical business practices in which all carriers get away with. They stick it to us, so I'm all for sticking it to them given the opportunity to do so. Either way, I'm pretty sure the carriers are getting the better side of this deal at the end of the day.
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I don't like it either. But they are upfront about what you are and are not getting in your agreement. As long as they uphold their end, I don't see that as unethical. Scummy maybe, but not unethical. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet.
Anyone buying any ATT device and expecting an unlocked bootloaders, root access, or the ability to do these things is either not doing their research or is naive. Especially those paying full price.
If you must have an S6 and all that, buy an international device or a TMO device, or buy a nexus or other known unlocked device.
So I just got my second replacement device. The first was acting goofy. I just dropped the second one and cracked the screen...thank god for the one time free screen fix...which is actually just a replacement device mailed to you. The current (cracked screen one) is modded. I have been finding my device doing random reboots or getting laggy.
So on to my question. Which ROM is as factory as possibly but free tethering enabled?
And your replacement has 4.4.4 and you are rooted?
Ugh...I hadn't even turned it on...it's got 5.1. My last replacement device didn't so I'd completely forgotten about that. As far as I know, I'm completely stuck and cannot root this, correct? Think there is any hope of Verizon getting me one without 5.1?
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Ugh...I hadn't even turned it on...it's got 5.1. My last replacement device didn't so I'd completely forgotten about that. As far as I know, I'm completely stuck and cannot root this, correct? Think there is any hope of Verizon getting me one without 5.1?
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Correct. I've read reports of people getting 5.1 replacements from Verizon as well. Jcase and beaups are supposedly working on updating Sunshine (bootloader unlocker) to support the Turbo, but there hasn't been any news on that in a while. Also, Sunshine needs root access to work, so it wouldn't work on 5.1 unless they also released a new root method. That's the current state of things as far as I know.
Yeah, people who jumped immediately and got replacements when 5.1 first came out in July (finally!) for the XT1254 could get 4.4.4 still on replacement Droid Turbos. But now by mid September... Seems like Verizon has caught up.
That's why I asked if your new replacement XT1254 shipped to you actually still had 4.4.4 (instead of stock 5.1) and you could flash another ROM.
There still may be 4.4.4 Droid Turbo phones out there in Verizon stores with older inventory. But those phones would be given to people who walk in and buy a new phone -- not to customers ordering a replacement phone, which are shipped from Verizon.
And those new phone buyers may not even realize what they have in their hands. First thing they would do is hit the update button.
All that being said though, if you ever get a hold of a 4.4.4 Turbo, I'll send a stock + root + tethering rom your way.
So wait... there's a huge debate in threads talking about being apart of the soak test or even mentioning it exists.. which one side is boiled down to "breaking the manufacturer rules..." but you can literally post a topic about breaking a carrier's rules and i'ts all good? The world is a confusing, confusing place.
FYI, I got a 4.4.4 replacement device yesterday straight from Motorola. Might be worth a shot if you ever need another replacement. My Verizon one also had 5.1. Kind of funny that the manufacturer had the old firmware and Verizon had the latest. I figured Verizon would do everything in their power to revert it to Gingerbread or something
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So wait... there's a huge debate in threads talking about being apart of the soak test or even mentioning it exists.. which one side is boiled down to "breaking the manufacturer rules..." but you can literally post a topic about breaking a carrier's rules and i'ts all good? The world is a confusing, confusing place.
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There was that debate here which was hilariously ridiculous, when the head of Motorola software even mentioned the 5.1 soak tests in his blog. Some guy who claims to be a rep for Motorola -- named Moto Mark or something -- was laughed away after that. Basically his boss can shout it from the rooftops to the world, but users can't? Ha.