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What do people think about integrated antennas like these:
http://store.mp3car.com/Roof_top_GPS_Cellular_PCS_WiFi_antenna_p/com-008.htm
I am thinking about getting one like this for my car obviously to up the gps and cellular signal strength.
A question I have for any TyTn II experts, Which antenna does the WiFi use, is it integrated into the cellular antenna or gps or neither?
Neither, I believe all three have their own internal antennas. I say this because I have seen the internal photos of the Hermes and Trinity (which has GPS) and they had seperate small antennas. The Kaiser has two external antenna ports but after bricking my 1st Hermes by plugging an external antenna in and having it kill my radio, I'll never play the external game again. Besides it seems to work very well on all radios, even simultaneously, without externals.
I Would Have To Go With All In A 3 In One (technicaly)
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION[
good luck
The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.
aboutthemind said:
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION
good luck
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1. Stop yelling!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
4. Get your facts straight.
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)
Another Fan i apologize for not being clear
Lidberg said:
1. Stop yelling!
Please refrain from giving me orders!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
Who said anything about drivers for the XM Radio antenna. I said Driversfor the internal gps antena. Read the kaiser wiki... the wiki for the pre-installed gps module.
4. Get your facts straight.
Well this is the part where tell you my way of thinking. I dont read so bare with me considering i am self taught and taking over a hundred different phones apart i can even say with out knowing that they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
How ever of your here for fun and to learn do a litle bit of home work before you accidentally insult some one willing to read your opinion.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
ciao
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)
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This can be done
People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress. The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.
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Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
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What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
I said Driversfor the internal gps antena.
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Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
...they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
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This doesn't make any sense.
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
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I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
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Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could. I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up, I'm not surprised you got push back.
Again i apologize for beining insulted and for any misrepresentation
I really don't feel like explaining my self, so if you feel that i am attacking you i apologize.
considering that i have simply stated a an opinion and you have managed to exert the fact that you do not respect others. i will respond.
and seriously just take what you like in theory and leave the stuff that you dont like.
I am not going to explain that typing is not the easiest thing for me. please don't mistake that for a representation of how i deal with people.
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What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
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Wow now were ar talking so a little lesson in busines 101 agan i can only base this on doing business in the us for over ten years this is not to have you answer me back
cost of labor for most manufacture is far greater than the price of parts in bulk.
out of respect for the people reading this ill stop thier.
Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.sorry for confusing the the exact words i was trying to offend everyone are you kidding me
1000 features that no one needs
This doesn't make any sense.
ok so since your opinion is not completely biast this again alies the theaory of an article in a vry small country called he us have youu heard of it?
Seriuosley i am in no mood to go over every line to some one that is biast to my comment that all of a sudden became an issue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint. So really just appriciate some input.
You want the facts well yeh its but so what i was trying to give some input before you reminded me that i wll end up having to type for an hour cause a genious felt it necessary to chalenge me.
I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Ok no problem please understand i was giving input and you decided to insult me.
I openly withdraw any comment i have ever made that you feel is not worthy as another member put it and if you would like me to say that i am sorry posting i do.
Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying
the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could.
no one said anything about removal, baords for the most part have alot of he circuits on them it makes it vary easy to acomplish global standards and upgrades and maximizing profit by making upgrades look tangible.
I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
I agree that would make no sense thats why i would nt say it i see where your coming from.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up,
I'm not surprised you got push back.
i wouldnt know but i apriciate yur interest in my curent position and standings may be you could show me how i can get pms cause its very hard for me to read i have add and typing is the worst,
What a waste of time and energy i apologize to anyone having to read this
you see chief i didn't ven relize that that the caps lock was on but since you decide to think now i will tell you the system i use wich is also a system i created because of you thinking for me requires caps lock to be own as well as the state of ca on documents.
so again i apologize
record time MIKE 1:15 mins
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bazzatron said:
The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.
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Thanks for the visual thats what i am talking about
back to the real question
i would look for any type of after market booster car kit easiest way is google the word china after it and you would be shocked what youll find they can pretty much customize anything the word to use for phones in china is not cellular or htc.. pocket pc
"mobile phone"
is the key word attached to gps car kit or what ever
always request a sample good luck only sugestion i am not an expert
sorry about the caps didnt see it
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People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
again tabgled up up a bit my bad
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
well not to be a drag but the hermes is been around for ages and again not to be rude but the kaiser is not the first phone to have a total new build. just some awsome exploited adjustments.
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress.
well i guess everyone has an opinion but no need to insult me
The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.
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Kool let me know how it goes
if i get around to it
i am assuming it can hook into a car via blue toothe???????
aboutthemind said:
sue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint.
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Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.
Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
I would agree that many companies will use a particular chip and elect NOT to provide all of the features at first release or for specific models, that is normal marketing driven buisness and gives us reasons to buy the next model.
XDA certainly has made it possible for us all to reap the collective tinkering experience and get more from the phones we have and sometimes get these hidden features with a little work.
No disrespect "aboutthemind", but I must agree that your text is a challenge to understand, but I'm always amazed at the worldwide, round-the-clock, activity on this forum. I've learned so much here.
RemE said:
Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
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I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...
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I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...
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Actually they got the GPS chip activated but could receive no valid data since the antenna bits were not present, they investigated the internal components and determined that it was basically not worth the effort to attempt to unsoldier all of the grounded pins on the chip and then get an amp/bandpass filter and antenna installed. No one ever got a 8525 to work and the project halted, but along came Kaiser!
Here's another one: http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=151025 much cheaper too, but only to be placed on the dash. Probably work just as good though.
My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.
ok no gps in 8525 and aboutthemind is a fool Y N
Lidberg said:
Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.
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let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team
yes we have lift off
zcink said:
My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.
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yeah thats what I'm talking about i like it. can yu post a link
aboutthemind said:
let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team
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Sorry man, but I can't make any sense out of what you're trying to say. I didn't put any words into your mouth. I don't know where you got that idea.
You made some pretty broad statements about GPS in phones and I told you that that is not true - most phones do not have GPS built-in. The 8525 has some of the hardware, but it is not a complete, workable solution.
Also, I did not call you a fool. I said you would look like a fool if you made broad statements about phones in general that are not true.
'nuff said.
I've been using the Tilt since late January and have treated the thing like a king....but today it died. The guy at the AT&T corporate store said it was a battery problem...so he replaced it and it worked for like an hour. He now says that the phone is defective.
He is having a new one sent to me and it will be here in 5 days and when I get the new one I don't want it anymore........I will gladly sell the thing for $250 plus shipping. If any of you want a spare or know someone who would like one please let me know. I bought another phone while at the phone store so if nobody buys it from me I'm throwing it in the trash.
Sorry to hear about you problems with the Tilt..... What are you going to replace it with?
Well, that's a completely stupid & ignorant statement.
If you're willing to throw it away, why not donate it to one of those charities that supplies phones to domestic violence victims.
Or to one of the masters of XDA, preferably in another forum to steal away another bright mind to come to Kaiser, or to someone working on porting drivers.
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Well, that's a completely stupid & ignorant statement.
If you're willing to throw it away, why not donate it to one of those charities that supplies phones to domestic violence victims.
Or to one of the masters of XDA, preferably in another forum to steal away another bright mind to come to Kaiser, or to someone working on porting drivers.
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This will be the third Tilt I've received and I'm tired of this poorly designed phone, so think of it this way. Getting a few bucks out of the phone will help me recoup some of the money I've lost, but donating the phone to a charity is idiotic because it's not nice to give something that's essentially broken by design. If I give it to a developer here I'm out even more money on shipping, and I'll never hear the end of it for *donating a defective phone. I'll just be asked why did I bother it's just junk. Making the transfer a financial transaction I can make the other party responsible for their actions by full disclosure.
Did you really setup an XDA account just so you could post your complaints?
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Did you really setup an XDA account just so you could post your complaints?
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Nope, read 1st post.
i found website that might help you want to throw away a tilt http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare
after seeing quite a number of posts about dead tilts...often with it being the 2nd, or even 3rd+ tilt that has died...
i'm wondering if perhaps some of these issues are related to voltage regulation.
in other words, maybe the tilts are getting fried due to over/under voltage issues...whether it be from bad a/c at the house, or from the laptop usb port (i know when i plug my tilt into one specific computer i can "feel" the electricity in the buttons...that can't be good)...or from starting the car with the tilt in the cigarette lighter (i wouldn't ever advise that), or just from a faulty charger.
over time any of the above issues could kill any electronic device.
maybe the tilt is just more sensitive to voltage issues than other phones.... and so when one tilt is replaced, the next one dies too...because the same over/under voltage problem is still present. ...just a thought...i haven't experienced any problems with my tilt...yet
...but i have had pieces of electrical equipment die or malfunction due to voltage problems.
casenickles said:
I've been using the Tilt since late January and have treated the thing like a king....but today it died. The guy at the AT&T corporate store said it was a battery problem...so he replaced it and it worked for like an hour. He now says that the phone is defective.
He is having a new one sent to me and it will be here in 5 days and when I get the new one I don't want it anymore........I will gladly sell the thing for $250 plus shipping. If any of you want a spare or know someone who would like one please let me know. I bought another phone while at the phone store so if nobody buys it from me I'm throwing it in the trash.
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When do u take ur trash out?
I'll buy it for $50
GSLEON3 said:
Well, that's a completely stupid & ignorant statement.
If you're willing to throw it away, why not donate it to one of those charities that supplies phones to domestic violence victims.
Or to one of the masters of XDA, preferably in another forum to steal away another bright mind to come to Kaiser, or to someone working on porting drivers.
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Not to mention irresponsible, I don't know how it is where he lives, but here in California anything that plugs in or takes batteries MUST BY LAW be recycled at a proper facility, that stuff can leach all kind of nasties into the environment.
casenickles said:
This will be the third Tilt I've received and I'm tired of this poorly designed phone...
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Just curious... What prompted the first replacement?
californiarailroader said:
Not to mention irresponsible, I don't know how it is where he lives, but here in California anything that plugs in or takes batteries MUST BY LAW be recycled at a proper facility, that stuff can leach all kind of nasties into the environment.
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I live in Columbus Ohio and I take all my electronics to the local DIY store as they do recycling there and not at the community I live in. Saying I'm going to throw it in the *trash is my way of saying I'm going to get rid of it with other similar junk people don't want anymore.
In fact I must take all my electronics to a recycling place because my community will fine me big time if I take it to the dumpster that they rent.
I'm from MI and they do far less recycling there so when I was a kid basically anything that had lost it's use was *trashed, even if it went to a recycle bin somewhere.
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Just curious... What prompted the first replacement?
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My first Tilt went crazy on me around day 2-3 when it just started to jumble all the characters on the screen and redraw images in random pixelated blocks of ****. So I took it to the store I got it from and they verified that it was a crazy phone and gave a me a new one on the spot.
con_ritmo said:
after seeing quite a number of posts about dead tilts...often with it being the 2nd, or even 3rd+ tilt that has died...
i'm wondering if perhaps some of these issues are related to voltage regulation.
in other words, maybe the tilts are getting fried due to over/under voltage issues...whether it be from bad a/c at the house, or from the laptop usb port (i know when i plug my tilt into one specific computer i can "feel" the electricity in the buttons...that can't be good)...or from starting the car with the tilt in the cigarette lighter (i wouldn't ever advise that), or just from a faulty charger.
over time any of the above issues could kill any electronic device.
maybe the tilt is just more sensitive to voltage issues than other phones.... and so when one tilt is replaced, the next one dies too...because the same over/under voltage problem is still present. ...just a thought...i haven't experienced any problems with my tilt...yet
...but i have had pieces of electrical equipment die or malfunction due to voltage problems.
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I'd like to think your on to something, but in my case I've tried several different chargers in several different places and even different branded batteries, and still a no go on getting a properly functioning Tilt.
AthenaLod said:
When do u take ur trash out?
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When my surveillance cameras catch trash stalkers giving up and going back to their cardboard box homes. I might have some water repellent spray left I can throw in the trash for ya to weatherize your place.
d00mz said:
I'll buy it for $50
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When you learn to count higher come back to the negotiating table jr.
casenickles, go check ur PM inbox!
Thanks for all the pm's everyone. When I get off work 3pm Eastern I will respond to all of you.
I'll give ya $125 right now.
Hi guys,
i had just got back inside the dive shop's speedboat when my wife thought the she should check whether all had gone well during the dive.
I unwisely went to pick up the call, and dropped my tilt on the floor of the boat which had about 2 inches of water. I opened it up wiped it clean and left in the sun for about 3-4 hours. When i put it back together, it fired up and i thought i was home free.
Sadly, it somehow restarted itself and stuck on the tricolor screen. I tried a hard reset and it worked fine, booted and worked ok for about 2 days, except that sometimes it would auto-dial the last caller, like the green button was pressing itself.
Yesterday, it put itself in an endless restart loop where it would boot up and then 3-5 seconds in the boot sequence it would boot again, like someone was pressing the reset pinhole. I took the battery out once again, and when i put it back in, i just get the tricolor but the hard reset "trick" doesn't work anymore and i am stuck in the tricolor.
I just got back from my vacation and saw the various threads, so i thought i might add mine. I would appreciate any insight or ideas into how i would go about saving my phone...
Thanks a lot
I think your only chance is to take it apart and clean it -- salt water will corrode things quickly and lead to all kinds of nasty stuff.
I would open it up clean it with alcohol then put the parts in a bowl of uncooked rice for a day (works wonders on fixing wet watches and electronics), after putting it back together I would flash it to a STOCK rom, then flash to a ROM of your choice.
Thanks a lot for all the tips guys. Unfortunately i cannot open it up before the weekend, but i can do the rice bowl thing immediately and hope for the best.
I will keep you posted.
Thanks
aalexandrou said:
Thanks a lot for all the tips guys. Unfortunately i cannot open it up before the weekend, but i can do the rice bowl thing immediately and hope for the best.
I will keep you posted.
Thanks
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Say bye to your phone then.. Salt water is extremely corrosive to electronics and even a few hours and then cleaned could be the end of it. Days? Well.. Let us know how it turns out.
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Say bye to your phone then.. Salt water is extremely corrosive to electronics and even a few hours and then cleaned could be the end of it. Days? Well.. Let us know how it turns out.
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Well put. People often don't realise that the usual tricks which may work if it's fallen into very pure water, won't work with salt water. If the o/p has insufficient time to do a proper job of it himself right away, then he may consider paying a professional to do it for him (even then he may be to late though).
Edit just realised my post number is 666 - sorry if this seems similarly harsh and cruel but its true.
Thanks for all the input guys, but i dont have a choice. I am somewhere without access to my tools or anybody else's tools for that matter.
Its now been a week since the phone fell in the drink, and that's that.
It still switches on - but stays in tricolor - so i hope that its not completely dead. Still, if it dies then it dies, and i will have to get another one. Maybe the HTC Leo when it comes out.
I will keep all of you posted.
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Well put. People often don't realise that the usual tricks which may work if it's fallen into very pure water, won't work with salt water. If the o/p has insufficient time to do a proper job of it himself right away, then he may consider paying a professional to do it for him (even then he may be to late though).
Edit just realised my post number is 666 - sorry if this seems similarly harsh and cruel but its true.
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aalexandrou said:
Thanks for all the input guys, but i dont have a choice. I am somewhere without access to my tools or anybody else's tools for that matter.
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Unless you're somewhere without a postal service and telephone service you still have choices. In fact thats how HTC in the UK arrange and receive many of their repair jobs.
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Well if you are in the middle of nowhere without any modern equipt. except for the ancient internet, why would you even ask anyones advice if there was nothing you could do except put it in a bowl of rice. Everyone keeps trying to help you but you just keep telling them you can't do anything. Go buy your Leo and don't drop it in the dink mate. lol
Hello everyone,
I am now back home, where all my tools are available. I opened up the phone and cleaned it thoroughly with pure alcohol.
Dried it up and reassembled it, crossed my fingers and fired it up: And there it was!! It worked perfectly, and it has been doing so for almost 24 hours now.
Thanks once again for all your help.
@ Martinjv71
Thanks for your constructive comment. When i asked the question, i had no way of knowing that opening it up was just about the only thing i could do to save my phone. If you dont have something productive to say to people when they post something, just be quiet then. I asked people's help, not for your criticism, nor your wiseguy comments regarding my lack of access to tools, while having access to the internet. Your comment had absolutely zero added value in this conversation, so why did you even bother? We'll see how funny you think it is if you ever drop your phone in the drink.
If you must know, i was on holiday and then went on a business trip in a place where it was impossible to buy the tools and the hotel i was staying at did not have something i could borrow - while internet service is available in most hotels, size 6 torx screwdrivers are not.
Martinjv71 said:
Well if you are in the middle of nowhere without any modern equipt. except for the ancient internet, why would you even ask anyones advice if there was nothing you could do except put it in a bowl of rice. Everyone keeps trying to help you but you just keep telling them you can't do anything. Go buy your Leo and don't drop it in the dink mate. lol
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Congratualations.
ashoooo said:
Congratualations.
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Thanks a lot!!
Distilled water
You may have saved it. I usually go a bit further by removing the battery and soaking it for at least 30 seconds in distilled water.
If you have it apart at the time, only the electronics need the soak. Cards, Boards, switches, contacts. Water with salt or chlorine needs to be diluted and rinsed away. I have some long surviving Nokia 6800s to show for the effort!
I guess wiping it down may do the job for sealed parts/components.
Erbid
Extreme luck strikes
aalexandrou said:
reassembled it, crossed my fingers and fired it up: And there it was!! It worked perfectly, and it has been doing so for almost 24 hours now.
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Then you should rush out and buy a lottery ticket because you are very lucky - especially so having powered it on or had the battery in it while it's wet with salty water.
Thanks for your constructive comment. When i asked the question, i had no way of knowing that opening it up was just about the only thing i could do to save my phone.
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The problem is that many people think they can get away with just drying it out and it'll work but when water containing minerals has contaminated the device, even when the water evaporates mostly away, the salt/minerals remain and as already mentioned can be considered a corrosion time bomb - I wouldn't say your out of the forrest yet either because there'll be areas you couldn't get at properly to clean (such as under ICs and in some switch contacts) so only time will tell. It's the same as cars which have been in floods. Even though they will be dried out and cleaned, they're still a huge corrosion risk compared to cars that have not been submerged.
I asked people's help, not for your criticism.
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I can certainly understand peoples anger about your response because it did appear to me you weren't taking the urgency of the situation seriously. Even if you have no tools to perform a repair yourself, there's still the ability to post it to a repair centre. Where theres a will, there's a way.
I hope your Kaiser lives long and prospers - my fingers are crossed for you
Hey guy's
I need to remove the fornt and back camers from the device because i'm working in facility which prohibited to enter with camers.
I would like to know if the device will continue to function WITHOUT the camera module?
I mean, if I remove the camera modules from the device, will it function normaly?
Thanks!
good luck
do they even see you've a front camera?
Why don't you get an old crappy phone to use there and your sgs outside ?
Because I need to use some of the features of the device while working
Any1 can please answer my question?
Just tell them you removed it....its not like they will break your phone
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I doubt anyone here will know.. If you are good with electronics, check the way they are connected to the mainboard. But realistically, you can only try it. Not sure if both cameras would be connected to a separate board though
I've broken down PDAs and smart phones over the years and even done a lens replacement and a camera module replacement on an iPhone. I can tell you right now the time cost and angst are not nearly worth the effort. For example the back case replacement on the iPhone 3G requires an almost complete tear-down of the device minus thankfully separating the glass screen from the digitizer and the LCD. I do not do this repair in my business because the cost and time is worth more then the device its self.
That all said, you have a unique situation that possible requires unique effort. If your company bought the phone for you I would say go for it, with approval of course.
Odd you would need the device but not allowed cameras... you designing a competing device? You wouldn't work in Redmond would you?
Alright enough teasing. Disabling or removing the modules might mess with so many other components or even the OS. Think of it as simple PC with a missing component, sometimes it wont boot without it, even though it seems completely unrelated to the core system. Without being on the design build teem of said device, its a crap shoot it would even run without the modules.
Removing the lenses might be a better option, as silly as that sounds. Just taking one apart is opening a crazy can of worms. And I seriously wish you luck.
Call Samsung and tell them your Q from James Bond maybe they will offer to help. Seriously, try the manufacturer, after they say up and down and over and over again that it will void your warranty, they might just help you.
This site is more about software development, mods and roms, then actual hardware work. Good luck though! And post pictures of the break down... ahhh... with a different camera, ...and not at work. ;-)
Just place some tape over the lens. =)
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Why don't you use some paint?
Then you don't need to ruin the phone.
They can test it and it will not show anything.
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well I guess that you should just dissable it http://www.careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/ and remove the lens and tape the wires ..
Can I ask you a question. Are you a spy? Just kidding lol. Looks like you'll have to give this one a go yourself. It's not like people take there cameras out there phones to see if they will boot everyday. If you find out the answer please report back...
DamianGto said:
Why don't you use some paint?
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Since paint would not be easy to remove, maybe your workplace would be ok with that? Would look ugly though.
Maybe buy a cheap phone for work and leave the SGS at home or in your car (if you drive).
You sparked my interest, ...I found a fairly good site with a break-down list with pictures and I think a video of the disassembly.
http://www.sprintdroids.com/forum/s...-galaxy-s-torn-down-extensively-detailed.html
Sorry about the jokes before, I just couldn't resist.
A hint on after tear downs, restart up procedures can be odd. The iPhone likes to be restarted up in recovery mode or it wont boot. And stay grounded! Use a grounding wrist strap. One static arc and it will fry any of the multitude of chips.
I have know idea about our Galaxy S's. Read study and Google it a lot. I did my best when I read about all the mistakes and failure people made, and there were many. Over time as this device becomes more popular it will have far more data on the web. Right now its so new not to many people are cracking the cases with being under warranties etc... Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Don
If you use right paint. Use waterbased paint.
You could easy removed it with car polish without damage the lens when you dont want it anymore.
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What's up i hope everyone is doing good
* SKIP THIS TO GET TO PROJECT *
I have a bunch of old phones and tablets, that my kids have destroyed in one way or another, that i want to put together to build something new with. I have no idea if anyone has done something like this before or if its even possible. I have little to no experience in this field, but i have been learning more and more each day. If i posted this in the wrong place or if this group doesn't really like or cover this type of thing, i am also sorry for kinda just kicked in the front door, acting like a drunk asshole, and just started blurting out a bunch of nonsense. Anyway.... The Raspberry Pi is what got me thinking about this kinda project in the first place. i dont have anything i really need one for, im not a developer or programmer, i dont build drones or bots. i just thought i would start with this and see where it goes. I just started using Linux, and getting used to how it runs. i know this will make me seem stupid and probably make a few chuckle , but i went balls deep and made a live partitioned Kali Linux USB. Yep im that guy, no experience but buys the most expensive, and non-noob practical, for pros only edition and gets in way over his head. So yea, I've been playing with that( definitely not *trying* to crack my neighbors WIFI) trying to learn about Pen testing, and getting a feel for linux. So there is the basic feel for the skills i dont have.
* PROJECT, INFO, QUESTIONS, HELP *
I have a few different things that i was wanting to try and build. Like i said above i have a bunch of parts. i will start with a list ideas and then ill list parts. Just a little note i dont have very much money so i cant go out and buy very many extra things to build with. i know this sounds worse and worse but it'll be fun for me and maybe pose a challenge for some of you plus i will get a ton of learning in
* god that sounded bad *
Here we finally go:
An iPhone that runs Kali Linux without a carrier and SIM card. Possible use would be a pocket PEN tool, that still could call and text. First big problem is getting past the no SIM activation screen.
A home controller.
Car music player/ down-loader/ streamer/ gps unit. i have a few phones with broken screens that could be integrated straight into my car or truck and stay there.
Something like a Rasp Pi or arduino. I think it would be fun to try and put one together from scratch, not sure if it even possible with what i have.
A store tracker bugger? Ok so you probably know that stores like to turn on your blue-tooth or contact your phone without your consent or even knowing, well maybe something that doesn't have a screen that just chills in my pocket with my phone and stops or fires back at them. Again not sure if its possible or even a good idea but it crossed my mind.
White hat/ Black hat: Maybe something fun or something really fun. No clue where you guys stand on this but in todays world the only way to "get ahead" is to cross that line. Look at the people running our country, its ****ing scary!!!!! Open to any ideas!!!!! if you have had enough and are leaving, thanks for making it this far!!! IF you plan on continuing, your a bad MOFO!!!
Parts and things that i have:
iphone 5s: No SIM card or little tray that sides that SIM into the phone. Other than that it works good.
Samsung galaxy s3: Everything works, battery life is shot and is extremely annoying
Samsung galaxy s4: Digitizer is broken. Other than that it works great.
ZTE: 830 at&t phone from walmart. everything works plastic screen is cracked
Lg: L16C everything works but i took it apart and it is running with no cover on it.
Hp laptop: Not sure year or anything its in pieces, it was not working before it was taken apart because of a virus.
2x Nextbooks: they are 3 years old and dont turn on. one of them is in pieces and the other is complete.
That pretty much covers it. there might be a few more things i cant think of but nothing major. Well, what do you think? is there the possibility to make something? I think by now your know way more about me than you could have ever wanted, your eyes probably hurt, and you most likely have to pee, so ill hurry, Thanks for your time and for the work you have already put into helping me. I only ask that you just keep this in the back of your head and if something comes to mind, send me a reply. If you hated this and are sick of me, my horrible grammer, bad storytelling and everything else, feel free to tell me when you also have an idea to add.
THANK YOU