Just wondering if the HTC raider (international version of vivid) will be recognized by ATT's imei database. I'm trying to keep my unlimited medianet plan
No it won't. Using two of them on medianet plans
i would say they probably can, especially if you use more data than say a MEdia Net user would use, that would raise some flags.
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No it won't. Using two of them on medianet plans
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Excellent exactly the answer I needed! BTW can you access LTE with it or are you only on 3G/3.5G?
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Excellent exactly the answer I needed! BTW can you access LTE with it or are you only on 3G/3.5G?
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For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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That was not my question. WHat I was asking was can he get LTE using the medianet plan.
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That was not my question. WHat I was asking was can he get LTE using the medianet plan.
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No, its not an LTE capable APN. LTE has a totally seperate RAN and Core network from the 2G/3G RAN and Core Network.
PTA is LTE APN you should be using.
using the MEdia Net plan with the Vivid is like driving a Ferarri with a Yugo engine.
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For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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incorrect, you need 4 things:
1. LTE SIM Card
2. LTE Data Plan
3. LTE device
4. LTE network
even if you dont live in an LTE market, you still need 1-3. otherwise you end up changing APN's and not getting a good experience.
Its not a question of if youd gave a good time doing it. I mean if the dude wants to use a medianet plan on a lte phone obviously he dgaf bout having a good time using this thing.
It is possible as asked. No you can't get LTE but yes you can get data.
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Its not a question of if youd gave a good time doing it. I mean if the dude wants to use a medianet plan on a lte phone obviously he dgaf bout having a good time using this thing.
It is possible as asked. No you can't get LTE but yes you can get data.
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yes, he can get data, however, eventually he will get caught.
This is incorrect:
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For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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For LTE you need a LTE SIM
For "4G"(HSPA/HSPA+) you need a 3G SIM... because it's really 3G.
For "4G (UMTS that the vivid calls 4G) you need a 3G SIM
My co-worker bought a Vivid and they did not replace his SIM... his phone worked fine as far as he knew until I asked if he was digging the LTE they had turned on a day earlier... He had no LTE, but was cruising along at HSPA+ speeds just fine... went to the AT&T store, got the right SIM and PRESTO! LTE.
Same SIM he had had since his 3G Blackberry Curve... no way was it a "4G SIM"
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This is incorrect:
For LTE you need a LTE SIM
For "4G"(HSPA/HSPA+) you need a 3G SIM... because it's really 3G.
For "4G (UMTS that the vivid calls 4G) you need a 3G SIM
My co-worker bought a Vivid and they did not replace his SIM... his phone worked fine as far as he knew until I asked if he was digging the LTE they had turned on a day earlier... He had no LTE, but was cruising along at HSPA+ speeds just fine... went to the AT&T store, got the right SIM and PRESTO! LTE.
Same SIM he had had since his 3G Blackberry Curve... no way was it a "4G SIM"
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AT&T has had 6 revisions of SIM card, as long as you have a SIM card with the digits 25 in 9th/10th place, you have an LTE SIM card, and what i was talking was requirements for LTE, separate RAN and Core network. those 4 things drive the ability for you to be provisioned in the HSS (LTE equivalent of the HLR in the 3g network) you just proved my point above, "got the right SIM and PRESTO! LTE." SIM, IMEI, rate plan drive whether or not you get provisioned in the HSS.
i could go into more detail, however, I'm feeling lazy and tired at the moment.
i am betting they can see what device he has, even if international, AT&T probably has a range of IMEI for the HTC holiday and i am betting it is within that range,
When I got my Atrix 4G they gave me a 4G sim card. 4G is different from 3G(+) It uses the same protocol yes but they upgraded the way the data is handled. As we all know 3G(+) was limited to 7.5mpbs. When I had the Atrix I was getting ~13mbps. There is a difference, and I've seen and researched it. Don't think I would put something in the General Knowledge Thread if I knew nothing about it
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When I got my Atrix 4G they gave me a 4G sim card. 4G is different from 3G(+) It uses the same protocol yes but they upgraded the way the data is handled (mainly its a modem upgrade). As we all know 3G(+) was limited to 7.5mpbs. When I had the Atrix I was getting ~13mbps. There is a difference, and I've seen and researched it. Don't think I would put something in the General Knowledge Thread if I knew nothing about it
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the Atrix is a 14.4mbps device. APN you probably were using was Phone, its not as limited like wap.cingular is.
HSDPA devices were 7.2, HSPA+ devices are usually 14.4 or higher
Original "4G" devices:
Inspire: 14.4mbps
Infuse: 21.mps
Atrix: 14.4mbps
Thrill:14.4mbps
does the SIM card have the digits 25 in the 9th and 10th place? they have had 4G sim's out for a while.
You have to have 4G sim to access the APN is what I'm getting at. Just like you have to have an LTE sim to acess the LTE APN. I'm just dumbing it down so someone won't expect changing their APN to work. Now I have an LTE sim, I exchanged phones quite a few times before I stuck with this one.
As for actually data speeds I've gotten -
3G is ~1 (tested on iPhone4, bud hasn't changed his simcard in years)
3G+ is ~5 (tested on LG Quantum)
4G is ~13 (tested on Atrix 2)
4G LTE is ~ 26 (tested on HTC Vivid)
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You have to have 4G sim to access the APN is what I'm getting at. Just like you have to have an LTE sim to acess the LTE APN. I'm just dumbing it down so someone won't expect changing their APN to work. Now I have an LTE sim, I exchanged phones quite a few times before I stuck with this one.
As for actually data speeds I've gotten -
3G is ~1 (tested on iPhone4, bud hasn't changed his simcard in years)
3G+ is ~5 (tested on LG Quantum)
4G is ~13
4G LTE is ~ 26
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yes, that sounds about right, i dunno where you are man, I've only seen 10mbps down and that was at 2:30 AM. LTE i have averaged that in NYC.
Around the Charlotte, NC area. It really depends on where I am. Some towers give me ~23. Others ~28. I got ~5mps in Concord, NC. Its horrible how much it varies in just a couple of miles.
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Around the Charlotte, NC area. It really depends on where I am. Some towers give me ~23. Others ~28. I got ~5mps in Concord, NC. Its horrible how much it varies in just a couple of miles.
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interesting...
Yup. I like having AT&T here. We got the backhaul (4G) a month after the Inspire's release. A good 70% of 3G areas don't even have the backhaul implemented yet (hence the reason people stating they switched cards and got no speed difference). This one guy had an inspire was only getting E around here. He got his sim card switched and out of nowhere he got 4G. Its kinda funny how the coverage doesn't overlap like one would imagine.
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Yup. I like having AT&T here. We got the backhaul (4G) a month after the Inspire's release. A good 70% of 3G areas don't even have the backhaul implemented yet (hence the reason people stating they switched cards and got no speed difference). This one guy had an inspire was only getting E around here. He got his sim card switched and out of nowhere he got 4G. Its kinda funny how the coverage doesn't overlap like one would imagine.
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Hmmm, very interesting, I wouldn't like Charlotte as its a mostly 1900mhz market. Poor building penetration.
I've heard people say that, and honestly I've had no issue what so ever with it. I have never dropped signal inside a building. I do get poor signal in parking garages, and old buildings though, but thats kind of expected. Haha.
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I cam coming to the VIVID from the Atrix and had a couple of issues. I am living in a 4g hdspa area not LTE yet but my speeds with the VIVID were only around 82kb so I talked to ATT and they checked to see if the sim was correct and everything was ok. I then took the sim out the VIVID and put it back in the Atrix I then get over 5mb down. I then go back to ATT and they replace the phone and same issue so they issue a brand new sim and still the same issue. I am going to keep the phone for a couple of weeks to see if something changes but is anybody seeing this issue in non LTE areas. Thanks
I have the skyrocket and getting worse speeds then on other 3g phones I had?
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I'm getting about 1.3 Mbs in non LTE... (Portland)
Thanks for the post I checked with ATT and they cannot figure whats causing this problem I am guessing that somehow ATT LTE Phones are getting confused when there is not LTE in the area and somehow slowing the data down. I am not sure but hopefully will get some answers. Thanks
I sometimes get a couple of mb down and then it throttles back to less than a 100 kb this happened on two brand new phones
I was wondering could it be the APN settings are incorrect.
These phones will be either in LTE or HSPA mode and not both at once. If you see the 4G indicator without LTE under it you are on UMTS/HSPA. If you lose the 4G indicator then congratulations, you are on 2G GSM. Also note that when you make a call the mobile will drop down to UMTS/HSPA and your data speeds will be slower until it reselects back to LTE.
And all phones will have the PTA APN...
I just ran a couple times & about 2 meg down & .9 meg up.
I did have to load APN info this morning because I had no mobile connection at all.
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I am getting my fastest hspa+ speeds with my vivid faster than my inspire and infuse
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Look at your build.prop file in /system what are the hsdpa and hsupa class values? Att screwed the inspire before by lowering the classes, then finally upped them. We may need to update them as well. I think hsdpa of 26 and hsupa of 7 were what the inspire needed to be faster. Mine are 12 and 6 right now. Need root to change though.
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I am getting my fastest hspa+ speeds with my vivid faster than my inspire and infuse
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Ditto. 5023/1121 just now in a non-LTE area...
Maybe the OP needs ATT to remove and readd the data plan... *shrug*
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Ditto. 5023/1121 just now in a non-LTE area...
Maybe the OP needs ATT to remove and readd the data plan... *shrug*
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6525/1057 in a non-lte area way better than my infuse
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Look at your build.prop file in /system what are the hsdpa and hsupa class values? Att screwed the inspire before by lowering the classes, then finally upped them. We may need to update them as well. I think hsdpa of 26 and hsupa of 7 were what the inspire needed to be faster. Mine are 12 and 6 right now. Need root to change though.
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Mine are set at 14/6. Wonder if they throttled these phones like they did the inspire and atrix when they first came out. I've been getting 6/7 down and between .8/1.3 up. Not great but not horrible, about the same as my atrix 2 was.
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Ok the thing about this phone is that there is no 3g radios in it. You either get LTE, HSPA+ or edge. So if you are in a poor coverage area that uses mainly 3g, dont get this phone. Honestly i dont see the point of this phone if you dont live in one of the LTE cities or very near it. I live in plano and work in richardson and both those area have LTE so i havent had to resort to hspa+ yet. So moral of the story, there is no 3G on this phone...
But anyways here are my speedtest results. the low ones were in the college library with 1 bar so that didnt suprise me.
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Ok the thing about this phone is that there is no 3g radios in it. You either get LTE, HSPA+ or edge. So if you are in a poor coverage area that uses mainly 3g, dont get this phone. Honestly i dont see the point of this phone if you dont live in one of the LTE cities or very near it. I live in plano and work in richardson and both those area have LTE so i havent had to resort to hspa+ yet. So moral of the story, there is no 3G on this phone...
But anyways here are my speedtest results. the low ones were in the college library with 1 bar so that didnt suprise me.
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Please enlighten me on the No 3G bands in the phone.
Looks to me on the HTC site its all in there Edge, UMTS, GSM, HSPA+ and LTE.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/vivid-att?view=1-0&sort=0#tech-specs
Network-LTE (AWS/700), HSPA+/UMTS Tri-band (850/1900/2100MHz) and quad-band GSM/GPRS/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
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Ditto. 5023/1121 just now in a non-LTE area...
Maybe the OP needs ATT to remove and readd the data plan... *shrug*
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9225/1125 without LTE on my Vivid
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Please enlighten me on the No 3G bands in the phone.
Looks to me on the HTC site its all in there Edge, UMTS, GSM, HSPA+ and LTE.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/vivid-att?view=1-0&sort=0#tech-specs
Network-LTE (AWS/700), HSPA+/UMTS Tri-band (850/1900/2100MHz) and quad-band GSM/GPRS/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
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According to the ATT rep, the vivid will not have 3g service. Im not sure of the bands and all that but maybe the APN for it wont work. Has anybody been able to use 3g?
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According to the ATT rep, the vivid will not have 3g service. Im not sure of the bands and all that but maybe the APN for it wont work. Has anybody been able to use 3g?
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Are you serious? Is this why I've been having trouble connecting to websites since yesterday? I definitely didnt have 4g signals all the time when I was on the htc inspire. It would often go to 3g, and now if this phone has no 3g then that must explain my issues. At&t really mislead customers. First they release 4g phones and barely had a 4g network. Now they release lte phones, I think you see the pattern.
I may just go to the atrix 2?
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Are you serious? Is this why I've been having trouble connecting to websites since yesterday? I definitely didnt have 4g signals all the time when I was on the htc inspire. It would often go to 3g, and now if this phone has no 3g then that must explain my issues. At&t really mislead customers. First they release 4g phones and barely had a 4g network. Now they release lte phones, I think you see the pattern.
I may just go to the atrix 2?
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I thought I was the only one who had problems connecting to websites....ughh damn you AT&T.
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That sucks this is my speed test in a non LTE area my vivid is blazing fast
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Dumb question
When I look to buy HTC Vivid 4G LTE Some said unlocked. Will my at&t sim card (i am on infuse 4g) work with this even they are from same service AT&T?
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I am not sure I understand what you are saying but you will have to get a new sim card, one that supports lte.
You can use the same SIM card. You just won't get LTE.
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You can use the same SIM card. You just won't get LTE.
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So I will have to go at&t store to replace card for lte?
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So I will have to go at&t store to replace card for lte?
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If you have LTE in your area then yes. Go in and say you need a new sim card. They will probably charge u a nominal fee
ATT shouldn't charge for new sim - only if it is not a corporate store.
U do not need a diff sim if u have the 4g already ....I came from inspire and didn't have to change my card and my LTE works
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U do not need a diff sim if u have the 4g already ....I came from inspire and didn't have to change my card and my LTE works
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Hm. I came from an Inspire and couldn't get any data til they gave me a new SIM...which confused me, but I didn't have data with my old SIM, then I had data with my new one...so I didn't ask too many questions
I came from an HTC Aria and had to get a new SIM, something about it being provisioned for LTE.
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I came from an HTC Aria and had to get a new SIM, something about it being provisioned for LTE.
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This. AFAIK, the new SIM card allows you to use the PTA APN, at which point they put you on the LTE "equivalent" of your current data plan.
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Hm. I came from an Inspire and couldn't get any data til they gave me a new SIM...which confused me, but I didn't have data with my old SIM, then I had data with my new one...so I didn't ask too many questions
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I think it has something to do with how new Ur card is mine didn't have to be changed just he had to provision it that's it
Confirm need to switch sim or can you alter APN settings on phone to pick up LTE?
So, I went from a galaxy s2 with unlimited data plan, very expensive, but my SIM won't pick up LTE when put it in my new Htc Vivid....so are you saying I have to have a new LTE SIM?
Will AT&T give me one as I would think they want traffic to move over to the LTE service if I am already paying for an unlimited plan?
Anyone run into this?
I cannot change my plan to anything more expensive as it is a corp plan but it is already an unlimited voice data plan....
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So, I went from a galaxy s2 with unlimited data plan, very expensive, but my SIM won't pick up LTE when put it in my new Htc Vivid....so are you saying I have to have a new LTE SIM?
Will AT&T give me one as I would think they want traffic to move over to the LTE service if I am already paying for an unlimited plan?
Anyone run into this?
I cannot change my plan to anything more expensive as it is a corp plan but it is already an unlimited voice data plan....
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Is it unlimited data as well? I was under the impression that lte was for data and phones calls switch back to a lower network setting. If it is unlimited data you would need a new sim to take advantage of the lte. They should not charge you for the sim, I got it for free when I upgraded to the vivid from the captivate.
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Is it unlimited data as well? I was under the impression that lte was for data and phones calls switch back to a lower network setting. If it is unlimited data you would need a new sim to take advantage of the lte. They should not charge you for the sim, I got it for free when I upgraded to the vivid from the captivate.
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That is the case.
When they provision your plan, they put you on the LTE equivalent of what you already had. No change in price or terms or anything. You just have Smartphone Unlimited LTE instead of Smartphone Unlimited or whatever it's called.
Hi all, you were correct, ATT store gave me a new LTE capable SIM, the weird thing is that the only APN setting on the phone is called PTA....and won't give me any data connection at all, I am NOT in a LTE area now but I would think it would revert to the system that is available, 2g,3G or Hspa?
I added another APN but does this mean I have to manually switch back and forth when I get into an let area? This seems ridiculous?
Any advice I would appreciate?
Is there one APN setting that will do it all?
Other question. I am on infuse 4g (4g sim card in it) wonder iif I get other phone from Verizon or T-Mobile that has 4g and unlocked. Will I get 4g speed from them or what??
Thanks
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hi, Infuse is a GSM phone so no Verizon....
As of now...tmobile sim might work but would only get you 2g...and you have to do a SIM unlock...tmobile 3g only works on 1700 band and Infuse has 3G bands of 850, 1900 and 2100 (UK band).....
Now, article today mentioned tmobile might open 1900 band on their hspa+ network but it is later this year and again you would have to SIM unlock...hspa+ is a pseudo 4g...it is not LTE but much faster than typical 3G,...that could work for ya...
Hope that helps.....
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hi, Infuse is a GSM phone so no Verizon....
As of now...tmobile sim might work but would only get you 2g...and you have to do a SIM unlock...tmobile 3g only works on 1700 band and Infuse has 3G bands of 850, 1900 and 2100 (UK band).....
Now, article today mentioned tmobile might open 1900 band on their hspa+ network but it is later this year and again you would have to SIM unlock...hspa+ is a pseudo 4g...it is not LTE but much faster than typical 3G,...that could work for ya...
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Yea I guess to get phones by AT&T.
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Hi all, since a couple of weeks I am the happy owner of an HTC One. Where I live (Belgium), there is currently only one carrier which provides 4G and it is limited to a few cities. However, I live in one of those cities and according to a map on their site I should have 4G reception.
Unfortunately, I tried on several locations in the city and was never able to connect to LTE. My reception is otherwise without problems and I do have 3G connectivity. Now the question is if my phone is the problem or the carrier and a spotty coverage. So I have some questions:
1) Is it possible that the modem is not functioning correctly?
2) Is there any way of telling if the phone is capable of LTE without having an actual network to test it?
3) Do you need a seperate APN for LTE aside from the one used to connect via 3G?
Info for readers that are also living in Belgium. I have Proximus with Generation Connect and live in Ghent. I tested 4G connectivity on "het zuid" and "St. Pietersplein" without any luck.
Not sure if this helps but you could also check with your service provider if the mobile plan you're on allows for LTE access.
Here in Singapore, although there is nationwide LTE coverage, not every customer can automatically access it even though the phone supports LTE. I had to sign a new mobile plan to enable LTE access.
Thx for the reply The situation is very similar in Belgium, not every mobile plan gives you acces to 4G. My plan does, so that cannot be the problem. I suspect it is just spotty coverage by the provider but there is no way of knowing for sure I fear. This afternoon I was standing next to a cell phone tower with network quality -59dBm (which is good I think) and still no LTE. I was getting 24Mbps down on 3G though.
Hmm I would like to know if there are alternative tests too
My area doesn't have lte until beginning next year, but I would absolutely love to see a confirmation that my phone is capable of it
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4g and lte are two different things and 24mbs download is 4g or hspa+
I know that 4g and lte are not always the same. 24 down was on hspa+ as you suggested However in Belgium, hspa+ is known as 3g or 3g+ and lte is known as 4g. So in my case, 4g always means lte but I understand your confusion, sorry about that.
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You may also need to change your simcard. Here in Malaysia, lots of people buy the phone from retailers, and their older simcard does not support LTE.
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4g and lte are two different things and 24mbs download is 4g or hspa+
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That's not strictly true. When the ITU created the ITU-Advanced spec (4G), current implementations of "4G" would probably not pass as it was between 100-1000Mbps. WiMax might. Very few countries went the WiMax route and some have given up sine and switched, most went for LTE as itbwas cheaper to convert existing technology. After the fact, the ITU decided that the 4G term could encompass LTE. So, for over 2 years now, LTE is 4G.
Just wanted to bring this to your awareness, Verizon's started to broadcast their AWS or Band 4 LTE network for testing purposes. If your Nexus 4 has old radio, put it in LTE Only mode, and manually search for networks.
If it shows up as 311480, please report here.
So far San Diego is live, although the user used another T-Mobile Band 4 capable LTE device to scan.
Cool but useless. There's no CDMA fall back for calling and text. So you'd have internet access and that's it. Stupid Verizon and their CDMA crap.
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Cool but useless. There's no CDMA fall back for calling and text. So you'd have internet access and that's it. Stupid Verizon and their CDMA crap.
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If Verizon's 2x20Mhz internet access capable of 100+Mbps is useless to you then be it...
But what's the point. I suppose you could use all the workarounds to do VoIP but normal calling and texting is a no go since there's no CDMA fall back. My point is Verizon is only half in. Not to mention that Verizon has very little band 4 holdings at all. but hey like I said it's cool that it works.
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This actually came up when I was searching through LTE in Chicago. I didn't know what that number was or meant
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If Verizon's 2x20Mhz internet access capable of 100+Mbps is useless to you then be it...
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Cool story and sounds great but a single line with a gig of data is hundred bucks sign me up
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But what's the point. I suppose you could use all the workarounds to do VoIP but normal calling and texting is a no go since there's no CDMA fall back. My point is Verizon is only half in. Not to mention that Verizon has very little band 4 holdings at all. but hey like I said it's cool that it works.
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Verizon has nearly nationwide Band 4 spectrum holdings. Completely unused, just sitting there.
Way more than AT&T for example who's divested most of their licenses to T-Mobile as a breakup fee.
And also way more free, unused AWS (Band 4) than T-Mobile which has to keep and maintain 20Mhz chunks for their existing HSPA+42 network for at least 1-2years.
That said, east of Mississippi Verizon is deploying 2x20Mhz LTE that can push 150Mbps on Cat 4 equipment. Just saying...
West of Mississippi they're mostly 2x15Mbps capable of over 100Mbps, with some markets with 2x10Mhz.
To put that in the perspective for you, their current nationwide Band 13 LTE is 2x10Mhz which is currently twice the capacity of T-Mobile's live LTE in most of their markets (2x5Mhz).
The point is, you can have your existing device besides being a smartphone also acting as a Verizon MiFi, if you ever wish to get access to Verizon's new stupid fast network with no one on it...
Has anyone popped a LTE Verizon Sim in and tired to connect?
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Has anyone popped a LTE Verizon Sim in and tired to connect?
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I have a verizon gs4 as my dd. my nexus 4 is shipping, should be here friday. will test it when it gets here :laugh: :good:
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I have a verizon gs4 as my dd. my nexus 4 is shipping, should be here friday. will test it when it gets here :laugh: :good:
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What's the point? You'll only get data
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What's the point? You'll only get data
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Why not?
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hey, it's better than nothing. And testing things like that are fun, don't you think?
It's been widely reported that once they were done with their nationwide rollout of LTE later this year that they would then start using their band 4 aws holdings to fill in the holes and to augment their existing LTE service during peak loads.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ice-to-operate-on-the-carriers-aws-lte-bands/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ummer-start-selling-aws-friendly-phones-soon/
This is really awesome for people like me that only have Verizon's LTE in my area. If this could actually work, I'd switch to it, at least for a month; just to mess around with, and to blow people's minds when I tell them I have a GSM phone on Verizon's network (I know, not that impressive to the average XDA user, but to the ignorant masses, doing something like that is crazy).
The voice is no issue for me as I've used a tablet plan the past 2 months with a VoIP alternative.
The only problem is that Verizon only has pay-as-you-go 3G plans, you'd have to sign up for a regular LTE plan with a 2 year agreement and they are expensive. This might be an option for someone who's already a Verizon customer to try but not practical for most people.
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The only problem is that Verizon only has pay-as-you-go 3G plans, you'd have to sign up for a regular LTE plan with a 2 year agreement and they are expensive. This might be an option for someone who's already a Verizon customer to try but not practical for most people.
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Oh, well that's unfortunate. I guess I didn't even think about that. I suppose AT&T just enabled 4G on their prepaid network like last month. Dang it!
Oh well, I'm still gunna search for 4G in my area (flashing an old radio right now). If I find it, I'll see if my friend will let me try to pop his SIM into my phone and see if it could work in theory.
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Oh, well that's unfortunate. I guess I didn't even think about that. I suppose AT&T just enabled 4G on their prepaid network like last month. Dang it!
Oh well, I'm still gunna search for 4G in my area (flashing an old radio right now). If I find it, I'll see if my friend will let me try to pop his SIM into my phone and see if it could work in theory.
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AT&T always had the HSPA+ 4G on pre-paid and just added LTE. You still have to have an LTE plan and live in an area with AWS, Chicago will be mostly AWS as AT&T didn't have a lot of 700 MHz licenses in that area but that's one of the few places that you will find it.
You can still scan for Verizon's LTE on your Nexus even if you don't have their SIM. At least you'll know if your area has that option available. They're still in the very early stage of deployment, San Diego report is literally the very first report of Verizon's Band 4 network broadcasting.
They won't be deploying on Band 4 nationwide from the get go, it's gonna be metro areas with heavy traffic first, then building inside-out.
It will be data only since Nexus 4 doesn't have CDMA radios, but as I said earlier, it's beneficial to have this option if you ever need another carrier for data hotspot.
Oh, and if you have Verizon's LTE iPad for instance, that's a prepaid service, you can totally use that SIM on any other LTE capable device.
Welp, I don't have any Band IV in my area so that came a quick halt.
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AT&T always had the HSPA+ 4G on pre-paid and just added LTE. You still have to have an LTE plan and live in an area with AWS, Chicago will be mostly AWS as AT&T didn't have a lot of 700 MHz licenses in that area but that's one of the few places that you will find it.
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Yeah, I meant LTE when I said 4G, since HSPA+ isn't really 4G (actually, LTE doesn't even meet the 4G standard as set by the 3GPP, but that's a whole other discussion)
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Oh, and if you have Verizon's LTE iPad for instance, that's a prepaid service, you can totally use that SIM on any other LTE capable device.
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Do they offer LTE on any prepaid tablet plan? I keep trying to look around and can't find a definite yes or no; usually if they don't stick '4G LTE!!!!!!' at least 100 places on the page, they don't offer it. I can't find anything.
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Welp, I don't have any Band IV in my area so that came a quick halt.
Yeah, I meant LTE when I said 4G, since HSPA+ isn't really 4G (actually, LTE doesn't even meet the 4G standard as set by the 3GPP, but that's a whole other discussion)
Do they offer LTE on any prepaid tablet plan? I keep trying to look around and can't find a definite yes or no; usually if they don't stick '4G LTE!!!!!!' at least 100 places on the page, they don't offer it. I can't find anything.
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Yeah for the iPad 4 they offer month to month plans (I think, but it might only be hsdpa) and I believe they are LTE, but its like 30$ for 4gb shared
http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/explore/tablets.html
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Now that we can SIM-unlock our Sprint HTC Ones, I've been curious about buying a prepaid a T-Mobile SIM to use when I can't get LTE or decent 3G. My friends on T-Mobile get great HSPA speeds (even when it's just HSPA 14.4) around Chicago, usually in places where my data sucks.
Ideally, I would like to pop a T-Mobile SIM card in my phone, but still receive calls and texts on my Sprint number without setting up some kind of forwarding service. Unfortunately, I suspect that SIM cards don't work in this fashion, though I am hopeful because the removal of the SIM on the Sprint HTC One simply cuts off support for LTE (probably because the only purpose of the SIM card in the Sprint HTC One is to authenticate LTE, but I'm not totally certain).
Alternatively, could I jump between my Sprint service and T-Mobile service if I installed a T-Mobile SIM by using the *#*#4636#*#* menu? Say I chose "EvDo Only," would I connect to Sprint 3g and get calls and texts on my Sprint number and simply select "WCDMA Preferred" when I want to use T-Mobile's HSPA network?
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On paper you should be able to connect to HSPA 14.4 on 1900MHz or 2G on 1900MHz. In actuality I don't know but there have been several other threads discussing similar topics. Here's one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386408
When I tested my T-Mobile sim, once I went into mobile networks and selected it, my phone number and my sms was thru the T-Mobile. So I don't think it will work as data only by default at least not saying that it is not possible, just sharing what I experienced.
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On paper you should be able to connect to HSPA 14.4 on 1900MHz or 2G on 1900MHz. In actuality I don't know but there have been several other threads discussing similar topics. Here's one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386408
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Oh, this I know, thanks though. Actually, I was telling someone else just that earlier today:
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The Sprint HTC One ONLY supports LTE on band 25. There are currently no carriers in the world other than Sprint that supports LTE on this band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
EDIT: Oh, and the Sprint HTC One supports HSDPA on the 1900/2100 MHz UMTS bands up to 14.4Mbps, which is is slower than a lot of HSPA/HSDPA speeds available now (21.1Mbps and 42.2Mbps), though still more than fast enough for browsing or even streaming.
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My questions more revolve around data-only options.
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When I tested my T-Mobile sim, once I went into mobile networks and selected it, my phone number and my sms was thru the T-Mobile. So I don't think it will work as data only by default at least not saying that it is not possible, just sharing what I experienced.
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So you can leave a T-Mobile card in there and just switch between Sprint 3G/voice as well as T-Mo 3G/voice at will? That could be useful; for example, my favorite bar is a total dead zone for Sprint data, but T-Mobile flies. When I know I'm going there, I could pop a T-Mobile SIM, switch to that to check websites and whatnot, but switch it back to periodically check my text messages, right?
That I am not sure. I only tested with a friend's sim card from his nexus 4. With the Sprint sim card removed I was still on sprint cdma but once I went into the available GSM networks and chose T-Mobile, it registered and I was no longer on Sprint at all and it shows GSM icon up where my signal is at. Made a phone call and phone call came thru under my friend's phone number instead of my Sprint number. I'm not sure about sms I did not really played around with it long enough as I was just testing if the unlock really worked.
yes it work
im0rtalz said:
When I tested my T-Mobile sim, once I went into mobile networks and selected it, my phone number and my sms was thru the T-Mobile. So I don't think it will work as data only by default at least not saying that it is not possible, just sharing what I experienced.
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im using it on t-mobile and i get 5 meg down but it keeps disconnecting ughhhh we need a gsm rom for the sprint htc one
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That I am not sure. I only tested with a friend's sim card from his nexus 4. With the Sprint sim card removed I was still on sprint cdma but once I went into the available GSM networks and chose T-Mobile, it registered and I was no longer on Sprint at all and it shows GSM icon up where my signal is at. Made a phone call and phone call came thru under my friend's phone number instead of my Sprint number. I'm not sure about sms I did not really played around with it long enough as I was just testing if the unlock really worked.
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Hmm... I might just stroll over to a T-Mobile store today, activate/pick up a SIM for $10, and spend another $3 for the daily pay-as-you-go plan. 200MB for $3 isn't bad if you need it in a pinch...
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im using it on t-mobile and i get 5 meg down but it keeps disconnecting ughhhh we need a gsm rom for the sprint htc one
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I've heard of these issues, does it happen if you stay in the same spot? Have you tried different modes in the *#*#4636#*#* menu other than "WCDMA Preferred"?
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Just an update: I went to a T-Mobile store over lunch to buy a SIM. I was prepared to drop the $10 for the SIM and $3 for the day pass, but it turns out I would need to buy a $10 minimum plan first. >:-\
I'd rather not spend $25 after tax just to see if it works. I'll ask my friend on Sunday if I can try hers. Hopefully I'll be in an area that's covered in 1900/2100MHz.
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Where did hi did the guide to sim unlock with domestic carriers?
I was under the assumption only foreign SIM cards worked.
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JSZESZE said:
Where did hi did the guide to sim unlock with domestic carriers?
I was under the assumption only foreign SIM cards worked.
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Once ur SIM unlocked it will work with any SIM card ur just limited on the antennas the phone has. Our phone supports voice 3g and minimal 4g on domestic carriers. The 4g has to be on 1900/2100 mhz in order for this phone to pick it up
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luigi311 said:
Once ur SIM unlocked it will work with any SIM card ur just limited on the antennas the phone has. Our phone supports voice 3g and minimal 4g on domestic carriers. The 4g has to be on 1900/2100 mhz in order for this phone to pick it up
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Ehh... Not really "4G" since the Sprint HTC One only supports LTE on 1900MHz band 25. T-Mobile uses 1900/2100MHz for HSPA, and the Sprint One only supports 14.4Mbps on those HSPA frequencies (much slower than T-Mobile's phones support).
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Doesn't tmobile have that labeled as 4g though that's y I said it. It's their "4g"
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I just tried with a data only sim from a 3g iPad and it never picked up signal. It showed me a list of networks but never any bars.
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Doesn't tmobile have that labeled as 4g though that's y I said it. It's their "4g"
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I see what you're saying, and I think that you're right, but their HSPA network (which they suddenly started calling "4G" strictly for marketing reasons) is significantly slower than most LTE networks. Only phones that would run on HSPA 42.2Mbps would give Sprint phones a run for their money. HSPA was never classified as even being a pre-4G network by the ITU. I think that only WiMAX and LTE hold that distinction. Anything that's HSPA but marketed as "4G" is a lie.
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If you're in a Sprint 3g only area then t-mobile if on 1900 hspa is still faster. If you integrated your sprint number with Google voice the you can still get your sprint text messages from the Google voice app and use an app like talkatone or groove ip for voice over ip
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I see what you're saying, and I think that you're right, but their HSPA network (which they suddenly started calling "4G" strictly for marketing reasons) is significantly slower than most LTE networks. Only phones that would run on HSPA 42.2Mbps would give Sprint phones a run for their money. HSPA was never classified as even being a pre-4G network by the ITU. I think that only WiMAX and LTE hold that distinction. Anything that's HSPA but marketed as "4G" is a lie.
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So I am not intending to get into a large debate about the HSPA ver of 4G vs the LTE networks other than to say that the top four carriers are not really using LTE to its truest potential because they're limiting backhaul connectivity to keep costs down. So that LTE network you're connected to doesn't have the fastest ethernet connection it should so in many cases it is "possible" for 42MB HSPA network to actually be faster in its actual deployment.
MG
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Hmm... I might just stroll over to a T-Mobile store today, activate/pick up a SIM for $10, and spend another $3 for the daily pay-as-you-go plan. 200MB for $3 isn't bad if you need it in a pinch...
I've heard of these issues, does it happen if you stay in the same spot? Have you tried different modes in the *#*#4636#*#* menu other than "WCDMA Preferred"?
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yes i tryed evrything, sprint does block domestic carriers, sucksssssssss ughhh.