After 3 years, I am still rocking the G1 as my MAIN everyday general use android phone. (Because honestly.. aside from a G2 HTC nothing has come out that really replaces the overall usefulness of the G1)
I still use Enoms 1.6 rom. I checked before about updating, but back then, everyone had gripes or issues, or slowdowns that didnt really make it worth updating from. Anyways, just checking on if anything is different now. For someone who uses a partitioned sd card, apps installed to SD card automatically (not just moved) and so, is there really something worth upgrading to or is enoms rom still overall the better stable rom for us G1 users? Thanks. =)
you will always get the best speed and stability out of donut roms, there are lots of good ones to chose from so take your pick there. if you want to stick with 1.6 then you still might consider the 2708+ updated radio/spl that allows for 14 more megabites of ram, you will definitely notice this! after the update just reflash your rom and a compatible kernel over it.
there nice 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3 roms out there, plenty good enough for a daily driver but there are some lags compared to any good donut rom. if you want a taste try froyobylaszlo if you like it than there are lots more new roms that compare well to that.
2708+ updated radio/spl?
Usually I have about mid 20s-30 for memory free. Which seems decent for the most part, since everything else runs off the sd card. Only reason its lower since I use that compcache stuff.
As for the info, thanks, yea, figured donut is still better least for a every day use and general purpose.
Pls don't mix up RAM and internal memory. Internal memory is comparable to the hard disk of your PC, while RAM is memory which is used for executing programms.
The 2708/0013d combo will give you more RAM (112MB instead of 97MB), so most likely you can renounce on using compcache, but you will need an adapted kernel otherwise you will get bootloops.
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Ah ok. Is enoms rom able to work with this new spl? Not even sure what would be the best way to do this.. Nandroid backup, flash new spl, and nandroid restore?
always do a nandroid.
the method i would do is backup everything via titanium backup, back up any sms or my call log via sms backup +, then i would make sure i have all the requirements and then flash the updated radio and spl. after this i would flash whatever rom i choose (stick with your donut if youd like) then i would flash rom and a compatible kernel over it, reboot, restore and be happy. also i would make sure i have all the files i need ahead of time, this being amon_ra (may need it) radio, spl, orange.nbh (in case of emergency) my rom of choice, and kernel of choice (if needed)
this is the way i'd go about it, you can try any method youd like there are tons of threads about this update so i would recommend reading a few first
oh and even if it sounds complicated its well worth it
I know, G1 was the 1st I ever did heh, now I do alot of em, The others I dont stress about as they arent my main everyday device.. I am just protective of my G1 lol.. My main device.
Does anyone know of enoms works on this new spl radio.
hanvet used enoms with the new radio/spl but i have used other 1.6 roms with it so im sure this will be fine too. just make sure you flash the appropriate kernel over the rom. if you take a look at ezterry's thread on kernels or even on the 2708+ page you will find plenty to choose from
Mysticales said:
I know, G1 was the 1st I ever did heh, now I do alot of em, The others I dont stress about as they arent my main everyday device.. I am just protective of my G1 lol.. My main device.
Does anyone know of enoms works on this new spl radio.
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Yes, it works. I've tried it just some minutes ago. Not sure if everything works, because I did only a quick check, but it's booting, you can log in browser is working, ...
The only thing you need to do is flashing a different kernel which supports the 2708 radio on top of the ROM. I flashed Terry's BiffTest Kernel but also the newer one should work.
If you like to get some more internal memory you could also use MTD-Partitions set to [67,2] which would give you a data partition size of almost 145MB
Btw.: I suppose I could not run such a ROM as my daily driver, it looks like it's already 10 years old ...
Hah found better rom called supertinhte 2.2 rom. Based on T-Mobile myTouch 3G.
Very Very fast ,comes with 82.19 free internal space.I think it is faster than froyo by lazlo with ramhack. Type it in google cant post link cause i am new here
I really like two [email protected] ROMs on my two G1s. I use them as my daily drivers.
I use SuperFroyo on one and I use SuperCDSIv4 (Donut) community edition (looks soooo much better than Mlign, etc...) on the other.
They are both great. I uninstalled virtually everything from SuperFroyo that I could. I can verify that you have no issue with deleting Talk, News and Weather for sure. Also, if you use another keyboard, you can delete the android keyboard. I did that on another installation. I delete stuff to have all apps internal.
SuperCSDIv4 is a little faster most of the time, but the niceties of Froyo are good too so I use and really like both. I recommend Lightning Launcher, then unistall ADW and LauncherPro if you go with Superfroyo. That launcher is hard to set up, but it is really light. Just go into themes and select "Zune" and try that. It is a cool theme and fast.
I think 2.2 is more fit for G1. some apps can't work on 1.6 ROM
True but the fastest 2.2 is slower then the fastest 1.6, if all you need is speed then donut is the way to go. You can push some apks onto donut roms that aren't found in the market but if you need some apps and other things froyo offers then you may need to move up
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Apps for 2.2 arent really needed on the G1 screen, cept maybe those Authenticator apps. I have a diff android if I need those higher end apps.
I am a very proud G1 user too!
But I will suggest going too the CyanogenMod 5 Mod. With the proper tweaks, it reallly runs like a charm. Super E and Super F are also good ideas. Just google them up and look how to install them!!!!
So are people still using the volume increase thing for their G1 as well? I rem using the script and so to tweak that.
To be honest this GinSense rom is very fast and stable, its 2.3.7 using a cyanogenmod base.
There is that one problem with watching movies on it (were the sound keeps going but the video resets) but that's because its a problem with the cyanogenmod base, I know because every cyanogenmod rom I had, had this problem.
I would go to a 1.6 for speed, but then I would lose out on all the apps, and this is a quite snappy rom.
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So question, to flash that ram increase radio. I could do that and do a nandroid restore afterwords?
No I'm pretty sure you would need to flash your rom again from scratch and then flash a compatible kernel over that
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Well I see the kernel in this thread I should be flashing, but I am very confused. Ok, my SD card has its apps installed to it, the rom auto uses it for storage. I dont know if I should just be relying on Titanium backup for a backup and restore or nandroid.
Im "open" to the idea of upgrading the rom if its speedy. I just dont wanna lose all the apps and work I had on this rom already. Just so confusing atm. Been a LONG time since I had to flash or work with the G1. (Never need to mess with something that works flawless) My other androids I flash the **** out of and update heh. My g1 is my baby, so always was careful. I wouldnt mind that extra ram tho if it really helps.
So what do you all think is the best way to secure keeping my stuff and easily update this?
Edit: Gonna be basing my study off this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831139
Just wondering how my apps 2 sd will be, since on Enom, I did this the old school way and not the apps2sd thing. Which makes me think Titanium backup is the best way to restore apps on to a new rom (without data or should I be able to backup with data and restore with data, so used to not restoring with data)
Edit 2: Ok is is possible to do this, based on that thread. I use nandroid to backup, then do the steps, restore using nandroid and before I boot into the phone, I flash that biff any kernel thing, THEN reboot into the phone. Would that work and not lose anything?
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Hello All.
I have spent a lot of time reading and am quite confused by all the different ROMs out there.
I live in the US, have T-mobile and need Exchange support and Tehtering. What is the best ROM for me in your opinion.
I am especially interested in ROMs where an easy-to-follow tutorial is available as this is my first G1 mod (but I did mod my Dash quite a few times).
Thanks,
Richard
Cyanogen's builds are the bees knees. Exchange support built into latest releases.
I think you have to download wifitether on the experimental build at the moment.
Can you name a specific build? also, can I get the tethering working in non-experimental roms?
Thanks
yeah. he recently released 3.9.5 which is very nice, you should be able to get the tethering working
My research shows that that is still experimental and has a possibility of bricking a phone. Any news on that? I am more interested in an already-stable release
Richard
Then just go get his stable release. It's in the dev forum also. It's 3.6.8.1 and btw I'm a total noob who has flashed every single experimental release of the cyan builds and flashed haykuro's spl so if I haven't bricked my phone yet I'm sure you will be perfectly fine just flashing that rom.
Google ION.
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My research shows that that is still experimental and has a possibility of bricking a phone. Any news on that? I am more interested in an already-stable release
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You don't have to worry about bricking your phone. His rom's don't require the brick SPL.
anyone have a good link to a walkthru on how to go thru the whole process?
Thanks
Everything you will need to root you can find here: XDA ***Informative Threads***
I can follow the root tutorials.
What is the prescribed step-by-step after that? I am hoping to go to the stable version mentioned here or another ROM that supports exchange. There is so much conflicting information on the threads that says to do this or that for this or that and its hard to follow with all the acronyms and such. Any help is appreciated,
Richard
well yo should just get the latest cyanogen image.
i have been flashing all his roms since day 1 and i have never had 1 issue.
for right now ignore any other roms (such as the hero mods from jachero or drizzy) because they are very unstable and slow. since its your first cooked rom your best bet is to flash to cyanogens 3.9.5 and your set. you dont need anything set up except root and your ext2/ext3 partition. no scripts necessary or additional apps to keep your apps to the sd card.
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boot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533731
^^ That is a great tutorial. ^^
1.4 pimped out recovery image, is truly pimped out. Backing up an image of your phones software to your sdcard only takes a few button presses, same with restoring it. Has other very useful features as well.
Danger SPL is really only needed for certain Hero builds, a partitioned card is good if you need Apps2SD.
In your case: Root it, install 1.4 recovery, then go with Cyanogen 3.6.8.1, install wifiTether.
Btw. If you plan on using wifiTether often, carry a charger or usb cable. It eats your battery quickly.
Enjoy!
Quite a bit of mis-information here.
The poster wants EXCHANGE support. Cyan's rom's do not have true exchange support.
What you need is either a Hero or Rogers ROM. The most stable, fastest, best ROM I've used so far is Soulife Rogers. There is a version that does not require the new SPL if you wish to not upgrade that. You can install WiFi Tether on any rooted phone with any ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523608 - Soulife Rogers
You'll want to root your phone first, then run the latest cyan recovery (1.4) - partition your SD card for fat32, ext2, linux-swap. Then run "upgrade_fs" to upgrade to ext3... install the soulife rom. Then install swapper from the market and select "linux partition" from the menu.
This is a pretty vague how-to, if you need more help feel free to ask.
This is the setup that I currently run. I get no force-closes, no lags, no freeze ups, everything is lightning fast plus FULL exchange (contacts/calendar/email) and even the HTC Dialer. Soulife's ROM is probably the best ROM available at this point.
Google ION.
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I second this. With HK's SPL it gives you about 80 mb of free internal memory. Plus its super fast.
I havent tried Cyan's roms yet, mainly bc I dont feel like having to partition SD Card, then run a swapper on the thing. I want my phone just to work by itself, not with the addition of all these extra processes.
This is in no way a dig at Cyan, he's a great developer with (obviously) great stuff. But if you just want an Update.zip that you throw on your SD Card and update with amazing results I recommend Ion.
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The poster wants EXCHANGE support. Cyan's rom's do not have true exchange support.
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Egad, I forgot about the calendar and contacts. I was just thinking of the mail application.
Good catch.
Does ION have FULL exchange support? If it's the Rogers ION port than it should.
Also, swapper isn't required. It's silly not to use it though as it speeds up the phone.
I havent tried Cyan's roms yet, mainly bc I dont feel like having to partition SD Card, then run a swapper on the thing. I want my phone just to work by itself, not with the addition of all these extra processes.
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quick note, in Cyan's ROMs you do not need to partition your SD card. if your card is not partitioned, it will not use the features and still runs smooth and fast. OK so maybe it won't be quite as fast as when using a swap, but it's definately fine without it.
Back on topic, i too would generally recomend Cyan's ROMs, but sadly no exchange, try a Roger's ROM, either by Soul-life or TheDude.
to install, if you have already rooted your phone and installed a custom ROM, simply download the ROM, rename it to update.zip, place it on the root of your SD card. Reboot phone holding HOME and POWER. i recomend a wipe if you're switching ROMs, so press ALT+W to wipe, then press ALT+S to apply the update. when it's done, press HOME+BACK to reboot your phone. It will take a little longer to boot after a flash, that's normal so don't panic.
hope that helps
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quick note, in Cyan's ROMs you do not need to partition your SD card. if your card is not partitioned, it will not use the features and still runs smooth and fast. OK so maybe it won't be quite as fast as when using a swap, but it's definately fine without it.
Back on topic, i too would generally recomend Cyan's ROMs, but sadly no exchange, try a Roger's ROM, either by Soul-life or TheDude.
to install, if you have already rooted your phone and installed a custom ROM, simply download the ROM, rename it to update.zip, place it on the root of your SD card. Reboot phone holding HOME and POWER. i recomend a wipe if you're switching ROMs, so press ALT+W to wipe, then press ALT+S to apply the update. when it's done, press HOME+BACK to reboot your phone. It will take a little longer to boot after a flash, that's normal so don't panic.
hope that helps
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If you are running Cyan's 1.4 recovery, there is no need to rename to update.zip anymore.
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If you are running Cyan's 1.4 recovery, there is no need to rename to update.zip anymore.
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Haha, thanks for the reminder, i forgot about that part, but if it's any other recovery, then update.zip will do just fine
I see all these new changes in the Change Log and I also know it also incorporates elements of Donut along with it, but I also see all these reports of it being considerably slow. Apart from the minor change in the process used to upgrade I don't see the process to upgrade as difficult. So without consideration to the upgrade process is it worth it to upgrade to 4.1.999?
4.1.999 is based on 1.6, so it is all donut. There are alternatives now to the double flash if you want to go that route. The speed is all based on each phone it is on. Mine in particular is blazing fast. I formatted and repartitioned prior to installing it so that might have something to do with it.
Could you possibly give me more information on this 'Double Flash' technique and what the benefits are, and possibly point to a thread that gives instructions on how to implement this? Also how would partitioning prior to flashing affect the over all speed, and what would I be partitioning, the SD Card?
The double flash is listed in Cyanogens 4.1.999 thread. Basically if you have not already upgraded to 4.1.99 or 4.1.999, you have to download 2 separate files and flash both of them. One is from HTC and the other is the Cyanogen rom. There was also a single flash method that was posted by Daveid yesterday that eliminates the need for flashing both files. If you are still on 4.04, you will need to follow one of those 2 methods to upgrade to 4.1.999. If it were me, I would just go with the single flash method and be done with it. However, I would still backup my sd and reformat and repartition before upgrading just to eliminate all the old garbage on your sd card from preivious builds.
Ahh okay, thats what you meant by 'Double Flash', yes I already knew of that and the single flash Though for some reason I would prefer the longer and "harder" method. Thanks for the tips, ill back up and repartition here in a but.
i personally think 4.1.999 is far from stable. i am still experiencing lots of crash and icons disappear. you should wait until it's stable.
or u can try this rom if you want donut.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567023
quite stable but still have the icons disappear problem. i think it's actually donut's problem.
I couldnt after 6 attempts get it running i am on a G1 and it wouldnt even get past the google email registration screen, and my phone got so hot i thought it was going to melt,that cant be good, i went back to my prevoius
nandriod backup and its perfect, only for using my G1 as a tether i would go back to a stock phone, i dont see any benifits apart from the tether
I'm running CyanogenMod, with Apps2SD and 512 Swap space.
What setup are you running? Any Rom that sticks out more than others?
Try Super D and Kings ASOP Eclair. That there is a whole lot of swap space buddy.
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Try Super D and Kings ASOP Eclair. Thats there is a whole lot of swap space buddy.
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i really hope he means 512 for his ext partition...
Yeah, that's pure swap space. Is there a downfall for using so much?
I don't think a large swap space will hinder performance, just a waste of memory card. Your phone will most likely never use that much swap but if you're not hurting for fat32 or ext2/3/4 space then you're probably fine.
I was a long-time Cyanogen user and although I like his roms, ever since I switched to SuperD a couple months ago I've had maybe 2 force closes and speed is crazy fast with no swap at all. Try SuperD w/ WG Kernel. Stable and fast. Link in my sig.
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I don't think a large swap space will hinder performance, just a waste of memory card. Your phone will most likely never use that much swap but if you're not hurting for fat32 or ext2/3/4 space then you're probably fine.
I was a long-time Cyanogen user and although I like his roms, ever since I switched to SuperD a couple months ago I've had maybe 2 force closes and speed is crazy fast with no swap at all. Try SuperD w/ WG Kernel. Stable and fast. Link in my sig.
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Thanks, sounds good. What's DeathSPL do? Also, if I have a ROM already installed, how do I go about changing to a different one?
I just changed from cyanogen last night. most likely you'll need Danger/Death SPL, unless you've already done it. HERE
might as well upgrade to the newest radio, as most people notice a gain in signal, and battery. I noticed a significant gain in signal, and the battery gain, im believing is from both SuperD and the new radio. New Radio is HERE
Follow the links and read up on them a little bit.
Coming from cyanogen, what I did was flash new radio, then flash dangerSPL, then flash the ROM.
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Thanks, sounds good. What's DeathSPL do? Also, if I have a ROM already installed, how do I go about changing to a different one?
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DeathSPL changes the partitions around so that ROMs have more space to occupy. Any radio version 26I and later are compatible, any radio version before 26I is incompatible and will brick your phone.
Once you have your radio and SPL installed, switching between ROMs is as easy as wiping and installing the ROM only. There is even a script to backup and restore multiple ROMs if that's your thing.
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I just changed from cyanogen last night. most likely you'll need Danger/Death SPL, unless you've already done it. HERE
might as well upgrade to the newest radio, as most people notice a gain in signal, and battery. I noticed a significant gain in signal, and the battery gain, im believing is from both SuperD and the new radio. New Radio is HERE
Follow the links and read up on them a little bit.
Coming from cyanogen, what I did was flash new radio, then flash dangerSPL, then flash the ROM.
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Will I have to repartition my SD card, reinstall app2sd and swap space if I do all that?
I didn't have to do any of that. I did back up all my apps and messages, because I did a full wipe. But I didn't have to restore my apps, just my messages.
Again as stated in my sig, I am a noob, so might be better off for a pros comment.
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I didn't have to do any of that. I did back up all my apps and messages, because I did a full wipe. But I didn't have to restore my apps, just my messages.
Again as stated in my sig, I am a noob, so might be better off for a pros comment.
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I already installed the new radio and SPL with what you told me, and it worked! You're a big help to me, thanks man.
EDIT: Fully running Super SD, Danger SPL and the new radio update!
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I already installed the new radio and SPL with what you told me, and it worked! You're a big help to me, thanks man.
EDIT: Fully running Super SD, Danger SPL and the new radio update!
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congrats, now try some of those fancy heros and eclairs
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congrats, now try some of those fancy heros and eclairs
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Recommend any?
If I install Eclairs, they remove Super D right?
Yes. You can only have one rom installed at a time. Every Eclair and Hero rom I have flashed have been unstable, sluggish, and/or incomplete. Donut is the way to go unless you want to experiment with your G1. SuperD w/ WG's kernel is my favorite so far of the Donut roms. It seems to be the fastest while still having close to zero force closes. Links in my sig.
Do a search for "switchrom.sh" if you want to have several hot-swappable roms at your disposal. Make sure you have room on your SD card if you want to use this.
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Do a search for "switchrom.sh" if you want to have several hot-swappable roms at your disposal. Make sure you have room on your SD card if you want to use this.
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What's that mod you have in your sig for the G1 do?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637419
Easy to install?
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What's that mod you have in your sig for the G1 do?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637419
Easy to install?
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Not 100% on the details, this is just what I understand.
JIT is a new Dalvik compiler. It's somewhat experimental, but I've had zero problems in the couple weeks I've had it installed. It improves raw performance by about 25% or so, I noticed about a 10% gain when launching/switching apps and stuff.
It's reversible, so no harm in trying it, I'd say.
Is it normal for my memory space to go down if I have my phone on for days?
When I go to a task killer, it says I only have 47mbs free after I kill all my tasks. When I first started up my phone, it said I had like 60 or whatever.
Does Super D support apps2sd?
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Is it normal for my memory space to go down if I have my phone on for days?
When I go to a task killer, it says I only have 47mbs free after I kill all my tasks. When I first started up my phone, it said I had like 60 or whatever.
Does Super D support apps2sd?
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Very normal. To free up the rest you'd probably have to delete the cache that's still on the phone which is typically browser, market, maybe some others.
Yes, SuperD supports apps2sd. a2sd script automatically runs so you don't need to enable it manually.
Hi guys I just recently did the "How to Root Sprint 2.1 Release for CDMA Hero" in the developers area and I need help choosing rom. I mostly use my phone to surf the net/update my FB/ check my gmail/ download music from music junk etc. I want to be able to do everything I normally do on a normal 2.1 updated hero minus the usesless nascar apps/footprints etc. I want to be able to have live wallpaper and be able to tether as well as save apps to my SD card.
Can you guys suggest me at least 3 separate roms that will allow me to do this? Each one I click seems tempting and really considering giving them a shot. I hear everyone saying do a NANDROID backup what is that exactly? Where do I go to see how to do this? I definitely need help. I also want to know how can I go back to my stock 2.1 sprint rom if in the end I just don't end up liking any of these modified roms (doubt it). I will try and keep browing and reading. Thanks guys for helping me out.
Try them all. It's the only way.
But how it's my question I don't see tutorials...I just wanna make sure I don't f up my phone. i have insurance but still i'm cautious about it. I was thinking this one
ALOYSIUS 2.1
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But how it's my question I don't see tutorials...I just wanna make sure I don't f up my phone. i have insurance but still i'm cautious about it. I was thinking this one
ALOYSIUS 2.1
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I just responded to your PM
I used the 1.5 Versions of Aloysius, it was good. Haven't tried the 2.1 versions.
Crown510 said:
I want to be able to do everything I normally do on a normal 2.1 updated hero minus the usesless...apps...
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Question is, do you like Sense? If not, go for DarchDroid. (Unless you use MMS, then go for Ic3Rom). If you like sense, go for DamageControl.
Damagecontrol is a great Rom. Very stable and has built in UI program for disabling Sprint apps, launcher, live wallpaper or even sense all together. There's also apps2sd, JIT compiling, memkiller adjustments, dalvik to SD and swapping options. Just be cautious you don't change a setting without prior research to see what effects it will have on your system. I've been on DC for about a month now and can say this Rom is killer.
And as ALWAYS...do a nandroid backup before making any changes.
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To do a nandroid you will need a program that can flash a recovery image (allows you to boot up your phone without your OS). I have ROM Manager. But there are others. Once you have flashed a recovery image, backup your OS. This will do a complete backup of your device, so you can always restore where you previously were. I would also recommend making a copy of your backup to your computer HD for safe keeping. Android Police has a couple excellent tutorials on accomplishing this.
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Personally, I recommend Fresh. Simple, it's got everything you need, and it just seems to work better than DC on my device. DC had some issues with su and felt slow to me.
Hi all, in a couple of days time I will be receiving my first ever Android device, the Motorola Milestone. I've already done some research on the phone as well as on Android itself, and understood most of the necessary basics. However, there are still many things I don't understand quite yet, and would like some help with clarifying them.
My first question is regarding the custom roms. I myself have been a long time user of Windows Mobile so I know most of the stuff that is relevant to Android as well. From what I know, the bootloader on the Milestone is still locked, but people have found ways to load custom roms on it. Can someone link me to the guide on how to do this? Now before someone tell me to search on the forum or on Google (which I already have), I just want to point out that the ones I found seemed to be outdated, and that they're for older Android versions??
My 2nd question is, do custom roms like IceandFire or Froyomod come with their own custom kernels? Because I want to be able to overclock my phone, and if it comes installed with its own kernel then I don't want to risk bricking it by flashing another kernel on top of it......I hope that makes sense??
3rd question is, which rom is the best for speed and battery? I'm guessing it's IceandFire and it builds upon the latest CM7?
And lastly, are there any crucial apps that you guys recommend I should install, or any tweaks etc I should use?
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Hi all, in a couple of days time I will be receiving my first ever Android device, the Motorola Milestone. I've already done some research on the phone as well as on Android itself, and understood most of the necessary basics. However, there are still many things I don't understand quite yet, and would like some help with clarifying them.
My first question is regarding the custom roms. I myself have been a long time user of Windows Mobile so I know most of the stuff that is relevant to Android as well. From what I know, the bootloader on the Milestone is still locked, but people have found ways to load custom roms on it. Can someone link me to the guide on how to do this? Now before someone tell me to search on the forum or on Google (which I already have), I just want to point out that the ones I found seemed to be outdated, and that they're for older Android versions??
My 2nd question is, do custom roms like IceandFire or Froyomod come with their own custom kernels? Because I want to be able to overclock my phone, and if it comes installed with its own kernel then I don't want to risk bricking it by flashing another kernel on top of it......I hope that makes sense??
3rd question is, which rom is the best for speed and battery? I'm guessing it's IceandFire and it builds upon the latest CM7?
And lastly, are there any crucial apps that you guys recommend I should install, or any tweaks etc I should use?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=983516
This is still the best way to get a custom ROM loaded up onto your phone. What you want to start with is flashing the vulnerable recovery from http://android.doshaska.net/rootable by using RSD Lite. To do so, you need to put the phone into Bootloader mode (power+Dpad-up) You can google RSD Lite, make sure you use the latest version along with the latest USB Driver version from Motorola.
RSD Lite is a very finicky program, if you have any errors flashing, your best bet would be to try this post: http://androidforums.com/droid-all-...hing-process-0x7100-rsd-lite.html#post1274587
Once you flash the VR (vulnerable recovery), you will want to put OpenRecovery on your SD Card. I recommend using OR 1.46 and placing FuFu's minimod on the SD Card as well. It will overwrite existing files in OR (look for it in Milestone Development). From here you can root the phone in OR (by using power+x, then camera+volume up) and reboot, backup all data you want saved, before flashing a ROM.
Once that is done, get the custom ROM that you want (I find speed + battery can be Cronos, CM7 or FroyoMOD for a Froyo ROM) and place it in OpenRecovery/updates. You will also want the most up-to-date version of Google Apps for Cronos or any Gingerbread ROM (except MIUI).
Gapps: http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-gb-20110613-signed.zip
Now, turn the phone off, and put it into recovery mode (power+x, then camera+volume up), select apply update.zip and you are now into OpenRecovery.
Here is where you will flash your custom ROM and Gapps. Wipe both cache partition and dalvik cache, then wipe all data. Select Apply Update under Miscellaneous Menu and select the ROM you want. Once it is done, wipe both caches (not data) and flash Gapps. Wipe caches again. Finally, change the baseband to your country and reboot.
The first reboot will take a while, as the ROM is configuring itself for first time use.
That is how to flash a custom ROM and get started.
2- Custom kernels are not available for Milestone, as our bootloader is locked. Overclocking the phone is done through the 10overclock file in system/etc/init.d . All ROMs that I know of are overclock, most to 1GHz (from 550MHz). You will not be able to flash any kernels, and DO NOT try ROM Manager, it will temporarily brick your phone.
Crucial apps, I would say are Root Explorer, TitaniumBackup. Those are the two that are very useful for root users, if you flash multiple ROMs or need to access system files.
Hope this helped.
awesome, thanks for the reply mate!
Hmm 2 things i'm confused with. Isn't there an app called "Milestone Overclock" that lets u overclock without installing custom kernels?
Also, from what I know you need to have the bootloader unlocked in order to install custom roms. I already know that Motorola is still keeping the bootloader locked and that as of now, there isn't a way to unlock it. Then how come we can install custom roms?
Also, since you mentioned ROM Manager, I did a quick search and it seems to be able to manage multiple custom rom installs that you have. But then you said don't try it or it will brick the phone, so I don't understand whether I can install it or not?? Personally, I love testing out different roms as well as new builds. It would be nice to dual boot or choose between different roms to use. But i'm not sure whether I want to go forward with this since your comment implies to me that I shouldn't install Rom Manager?
Lastly, this is the part I found most confusing with Android (or with Windows Mobile as well). I found some guides that tells you to install Clockwork Recovery Mod or something like that. Some of them even mentioned using Nandroid or something. There seems to be different methods & tools/softwares for different devices (or even the same device) and it can be confusing to keep up with them. My question is, are there major differences between them? Which one is better and should I keep them up to date?
chaoscreater said:
awesome, thanks for the reply mate!
Hmm 2 things i'm confused with. Isn't there an app called "Milestone Overclock" that lets u overclock without installing custom kernels?
Also, from what I know you need to have the bootloader unlocked in order to install custom roms. I already know that Motorola is still keeping the bootloader locked and that as of now, there isn't a way to unlock it. Then how come we can install custom roms?
Also, since you mentioned ROM Manager, I did a quick search and it seems to be able to manage multiple custom rom installs that you have. But then you said don't try it or it will brick the phone, so I don't understand whether I can install it or not?? Personally, I love testing out different roms as well as new builds. It would be nice to dual boot or choose between different roms to use. But i'm not sure whether I want to go forward with this since your comment implies to me that I shouldn't install Rom Manager?
Lastly, this is the part I found most confusing with Android (or with Windows Mobile as well). I found some guides that tells you to install Clockwork Recovery Mod or something like that. Some of them even mentioned using Nandroid or something. There seems to be different methods & tools/softwares for different devices (or even the same device) and it can be confusing to keep up with them. My question is, are there major differences between them? Which one is better and should I keep them up to date?
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I have tried Milestone Overclock, but I never really used it to overclock the phone. I prefer changing the voltages and speeds with the 10overclock file. If you read the description of Milestone overclock, it "tricks" the kernel into thinking it's supposed to run at a certain speed.
ROM Manager and Clockwork Recovery Mod do not work on Milestone. The only recovery that works with the Milestone is OpenRecovery or Androidiani OpenRecovery. Unfortunately, the only way to flash the ROMs is through OR or AOR, so you will have to repeat the processes every single time. I have gotten used to where all of the options are for FuFu's Minimod, so I am able to do it quite efficiently
The best way to backup a ROM, system data and the such is by Nandroid backup. That is the only sort of backup that you can do. It is recommended to do one every time you flash a custom ROM, but I only did it after I rooted and before I flashed my first custom ROM. You can do it through OR. That is the only way that will work. CWM and ROM Manager will just temp brick the phone and you will have to reflash a stock SBF all over again.
i see.....in that case there's no way to install 2 different roms to allow dual booting then? What about the app "Boot Manager", will that work? I found it on this site here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ted-user-should-know-about-part-4-apps-26-33/
One last question, I came across this popular app that is recommended by many Android users, called Apps2SD. My understanding to this is that by default, any apps/games that you install on your device will install to the internal memory, and that this Apps2SD app basically lets you install to your memory card? So my question is, does this lag the phone somehow? I like to have many apps and especially games installed on my phone, would doing this affect the performance or something? I know this is the case for Windows Mobile, but not sure about Android.....
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i see.....in that case there's no way to install 2 different roms to allow dual booting then? What about the app "Boot Manager", will that work? I found it on this site here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ted-user-should-know-about-part-4-apps-26-33/
One last question, I came across this popular app that is recommended by many Android users, called Apps2SD. My understanding to this is that by default, any apps/games that you install on your device will install to the internal memory, and that this Apps2SD app basically lets you install to your memory card? So my question is, does this lag the phone somehow? I like to have many apps and especially games installed on my phone, would doing this affect the performance or something? I know this is the case for Windows Mobile, but not sure about Android.....
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I follow AndroidPolice as well. I don't know about Boot Manager, I heard about it, but I haven't heard any reviews of it yet.
Two things when it comes to phone storage and apps on the Milestone: Old hardware makes for a lot of games to not work at all, and low phone storage space.
Almost every ROM comes with apps2ext support, which is a more advanced version of Apps2SD. You can follow this tutorial here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10994672&postcount=226
Apps2ext will trick your phone into thinking space on the SD Card (the ext partition) is actually part of the phone's internal memory. You will be able to get a lot more apps on the phone this way.
Ahh cool, that saves me the trouble of me having to install an extra tweak.
Hmm I know Milestone is old, but not that old is it?? I don't know of any games now days that require heavy hardware specs or anything......i'm just hoping that emulators will work fine on it. I mean, my iPod Touch 3rd Gen only has about 120MB of free RAM, and the CPU is crap as hell and yet I could run GBA games like Pokemon or Golden Sun fine no problem (with sound of course). I'm hoping it'll at least work smoothly on the Milestone since I'll be attempting to overclock it to 1Ghz, which should run it significantly faster in theory.
BTW I found this great tweak for the CM7, here's the link:
http://chromloop.com/2011/07/how-to-make-cyanogenmod-7-for-milestone-a853-lighter-and-faster/
are there any ones similar to this? I'm a tweak junkie addict, I like to make my device run as smooth and as fast as possible. When I still had my HTC Touch Pro and Xperia X1, and even Nokia N900 (which uses Maemo 5), I tweaked the crap out of them and got more juice and power and made its performance so much better. I'm hoping I can at least do the same for the Milestone, except I couldn't seem to find many tweaks...
Oh lastly, I know one of the big problems with Android is fragmentation. There're already some apps out there in the Android market that are exclusive to certain Android versions. The same app has a version for Froyo (v2.2) and Gingerbread (v2.3). This is true for some of the mods or tweaks on XDA. So my question is, are custom roms like CM7 using Gingerbread? I'm guessing yes since it says 2.3.5? In that case, would I be able to simply install the latest mod/tweak or apps/games from XDA or the Android market? Or must I find the versions that is identical to mine?
E.g. if I install CM7, can I still install a mod that is for Froyo?
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Ahh cool, that saves me the trouble of me having to install an extra tweak.
Hmm I know Milestone is old, but not that old is it?? I don't know of any games now days that require heavy hardware specs or anything......i'm just hoping that emulators will work fine on it. I mean, my iPod Touch 3rd Gen only has about 120MB of free RAM, and the CPU is crap as hell and yet I could run GBA games like Pokemon or Golden Sun fine no problem (with sound of course). I'm hoping it'll at least work smoothly on the Milestone since I'll be attempting to overclock it to 1Ghz, which should run it significantly faster in theory.
BTW I found this great tweak for the CM7, here's the link:
http://chromloop.com/2011/07/how-to-make-cyanogenmod-7-for-milestone-a853-lighter-and-faster/
are there any ones similar to this? I'm a tweak junkie addict, I like to make my device run as smooth and as fast as possible. When I still had my HTC Touch Pro and Xperia X1, and even Nokia N900 (which uses Maemo 5), I tweaked the crap out of them and got more juice and power and made its performance so much better. I'm hoping I can at least do the same for the Milestone, except I couldn't seem to find many tweaks...
Oh lastly, I know one of the big problems with Android is fragmentation. There're already some apps out there in the Android market that are exclusive to certain Android versions. The same app has a version for Froyo (v2.2) and Gingerbread (v2.3). This is true for some of the mods or tweaks on XDA. So my question is, are custom roms like CM7 using Gingerbread? I'm guessing yes since it says 2.3.5? In that case, would I be able to simply install the latest mod/tweak or apps/games from XDA or the Android market? Or must I find the versions that is identical to mine?
E.g. if I install CM7, can I still install a mod that is for Froyo?
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Of course you still can. The best tweak for Milestone is under Android Hacking, it's zeppelinrox's supercharger script, which you run through Script Manager. That's the best you can get.
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I thought custom roms like CM7 or IceandFire come with the supercharger script included?
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I thought custom roms like CM7 or IceandFire come with the supercharger script included?
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Some do, such as HO!NO!, but not all of them do.
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Ok so I finally got my Milestone today!
I'm about to start rooting it and install CM7 on it. But before I do that, I have one important question. I know for Windows Mobile, almost all of the device requires you to do a hard reset after flashing a custom rom. I was wondering if the same needs to be applied to Android custom roms? Because it doesn't seem like it, I did a quick Google search and found this:
http://androidforums.com/optimus-v-...4-do-not-factory-reset-your-rooted-phone.html
So ya I'm not sure....
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Ok so I got my Milestone rooted, and installed CM7 on it. I came across a weird problem while doing it though. First of all, I'm using a 8GB Kingston microSD class 2, and it's brand new and hasn't been used before, so it obviously has nothing stored on it as it's empty to begin with. Ok, so as I followed the instructions, the first step is obviously rooting the Milestone, so I simply copied OpenRecovery to the memory card while my Milestone was connected to my PC. The weird thing is, when I opened "My Computer", I didn't see my memory card. Instead, I see "Milestone", so I opened it and then I see my memory card "Removeable Storage". I opened it again and here's the actual weird part, there're 2 files stored in it, called:
DevIcon
DevLogo
At first, I didn't think it was a problem because I thought they were just some dummy file or something. Also, the memory card is empty other than those 2 files. So after copying OpenRecovery to it and rooting it successfully, I then proceed to copy the CM7 custom rom file to the memory card. But this time, I still see the same thing. I don't see my OpenRecovery folder on it at all, there're no other files other than those 2 files on it. I tried Unmount and Mount in the SD Card settings, also unplugging my USB cable and re-plugging back in but it's the same. In fact, after 'Unmounting' the memory card, I couldn't even access it on "My Computer", as nothing shows up after I open "Milestone". Only 'Mounting' works, but again I only see those 2 files and nothing else.
HOWEVER, I then tried to take out the memory card and use my own microSD card reader, and bam I can see all the files on it, such as OpenRecovery and even the nanDroid backup that I made while following the instructions on that guide. So this is weird, why can't I access or see the contents on my memory card while the phone is connected to the PC??
I don't wanna create another topic for this since it's unnecessary, so here's my final question. In case something goes wrong in the future, what's the best way for me to revert back to stock?
I know I can use nandroid for this, but here's what i'm confused about. Nandroid makes a backup of the complete system, including the settings and apps installed correct? But what if you flash a custom rom, and then use a nandroid backup of the stock rom, will that still work? Or would you have to install the stock rom first for you to be able to use the nandroid backup?
Lastly, if the nandroid backup works regardless of whether you're using a different rom than the rom that the nandroid backup was made, then which option is better:
use nandroid to revert to stock, or using this guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11902513&postcount=7
Now I understand that for Milestone, custom roms are not actually flashed since the bootloader is locked. So would using nandroid be good enough?
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I don't wanna create another topic for this since it's unnecessary, so here's my final question. In case something goes wrong in the future, what's the best way for me to revert back to stock?
I know I can use nandroid for this, but here's what i'm confused about. Nandroid makes a backup of the complete system, including the settings and apps installed correct? But what if you flash a custom rom, and then use a nandroid backup of the stock rom, will that still work? Or would you have to install the stock rom first for you to be able to use the nandroid backup?
Lastly, if the nandroid backup works regardless of whether you're using a different rom than the rom that the nandroid backup was made, then which option is better:
use nandroid to revert to stock, or using this guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11902513&postcount=7
Now I understand that for Milestone, custom roms are not actually flashed since the bootloader is locked. So would using nandroid be good enough?
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The best way to revert to stock will be to flash an sbf for your region that will wipe everything. They have those sbf's on and-developers.
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Ahh I see, so in what situations will we be using nandroid to restore from the backup?
Also, the SBF file i'm using is from the guide that you linked me in your 2nd post. I'm using the EUROPE one because apparently it covers most of the countries around Europe, which includes New Zealand (where I live). I've had no problems with it, but just then I checked out the AND-Developers site like you suggested, and found this here:
http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone221
It doesn't seem to have New Zealand but it does have Australia, which is like a neighbour to us. Will it be better if I flash the SBF to that instead?
Also, will flashing a SBF change the radio? Or does only changing the baseband change the radio? Because i'm getting weak signals from 2G/3G sometimes, and my Wifi has problems sometimes not being able to connect properly. Either that, or it shows that i'm connected but i'm not getting any data, apparently a lot of people have problems like this after I did some searching around.
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Ahh I see, so in what situations will we be using nandroid to restore from the backup?
Also, the SBF file i'm using is from the guide that you linked me in your 2nd post. I'm using the EUROPE one because apparently it covers most of the countries around Europe, which includes New Zealand (where I live). I've had no problems with it, but just then I checked out the AND-Developers site like you suggested, and found this here:
http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone221
It doesn't seem to have New Zealand but it does have Australia, which is like a neighbour to us. Will it be better if I flash the SBF to that instead?
Also, will flashing a SBF change the radio? Or does only changing the baseband change the radio? Because i'm getting weak signals from 2G/3G sometimes, and my Wifi has problems sometimes not being able to connect properly. Either that, or it shows that i'm connected but i'm not getting any data, apparently a lot of people have problems like this after I did some searching around.
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1. when you're phone will not start anymore, it's good to have one before every new flash cause you never now what's gonna happen.
2. funny thing is i know where New Zealand is (not near Europe) . about the baseband ... yes every sbf has the region specific baseband 's (you cant flash a radio only change baseband 's).
baseband can be found on dexter's (http://dext3r.komodin.org/) page but they are already included in OR (not sure about fufu's). i can't be very precise because i don't remember.
custom rom's don't think they change baseband 's, (the .zip ones)
Ya ur right, NZ is not anywhere near Europe lol
but I did do some research on which SBF I needed before I flashed it, and I found out that the Europe SBF works for NZ as well, it was mentioned somewhere I can't remember.
About the baseband, I'm still a little bit confused. First off, I already know that you can change the baseband under OpenRecovery. The thing is, there are no options to change the baseband to New Zealand, so which one should I pick? Also, here's the part I'm confused about. You said that the baseband are region specific, and yet we can choose the baseband we want in OpenRecovery.
So since I flashed the SBF for Europe, what will happen if I then change the baseband to say Argentina (one of the options under OpenRecovery)? Will it crash or something?? I don't even know what baseband i'm using right now, I haven't changed anything, I only flashed the SBF for Europe and that's it. I can still go online using 2G/3G and txt no problem, but I'm just not sure if the baseband i'm using is suppose to be correct for New Zealand or not...
BTW just another side question (sorry I'm really new to the Android scene!):
I've found a few custom roms that doesn't use the current kernel we have for Milestone. As far as I know, the bootloader for Milestone is locked, therefore we can't properly flash a custom rom onto it, as well as replacing the kernel as well. So what I'm confused with is, if some of these custom roms don't use the current kernel on the system, then how does it work? Does it use its own kernel, and if so then shouldn't that replace the system's own kernel before it can be used??
Here's one of the custom rom topic where I read from, in case ur wondering:
This is the Froyo FRG22 image for our Milestone. but as this is not using the kernel, there are some limit to functions based on kernel requirement. But its close, and works great and is alot faster.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734802
The same goes for the custom roms. I don't understand how they can run on Milestone even though it's not properly flashed. Like some others have mentioned, the so-called "custom roms" that we have now are just a layer of image or skin on top of the stock rom. The weird thing is, it runs faster and most of the pre-installed stock apps that came with the stock rom are removed, thus giving us more space for internal storage. But how does this work if the custom roms haven't actually flashed onto our phone? Or did it overwrite/modify the files on the stock rom? If so, then isn't that just flashing onto the phone then?
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About the baseband
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changing baseband's that are not supported by your network op will lead to no signal whatsoever.. i don't remember if there is a problem with only data. try other baseband, in theory it will not crash anything, so do a nandroid backup before
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734802
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that is an old post from "25th July 2010, 05:52 AM" moto started to leak kernel from January 2011 give or take a month, so back then froyo was used with the eclair kernel. kernel from milestone was never changed to other than moto signed, only modules loaded at an early stage, thanks to kabaldan/nadlabak and other if exists
custom roms =
moto kernel
kernel modules (this helps on overclock , app2ext ... others)
mods to system files, apps
hope you understand cause i don't know if i make it clear at the end of the post
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The same goes for the custom roms. I don't understand how they can run on Milestone even though it's not properly flashed. Like some others have mentioned, the so-called "custom roms" that we have now are just a layer of image or skin on top of the stock rom. The weird thing is, it runs faster and most of the pre-installed stock apps that came with the stock rom are removed, thus giving us more space for internal storage. But how does this work if the custom roms haven't actually flashed onto our phone? Or did it overwrite/modify the files on the stock rom? If so, then isn't that just flashing onto the phone then?
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i doesn't make any sense, you will end up with no memory , only kernel remains, other things gets rewritten.
Code:
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/roaming/welcome-to-nz.jsp
this get out of what i know. with the frequencies,
basebands/frequency i have 900/1800
for data check if there is a problem with your apn settings
I see, thanks for your thorough explanation
Ya I know that changing my baseband will probably give me better signals, but I'm asking which one is best for Vodafone NZ because there isn't a baseband for New Zealand.
For the data part, were you talking about my wifi problem, and suggesting I check the APN settings? Don't worry that's been solved already. I flashed to the New Zealand v2.1 SBF and now it's working very stable. But like I said, after flashing to that I now have problems with connecting to my operator whenever I switch to 2G. However, 3G works fine so there's no problem with that.
BTW, I have another problem. After flashing to the New Zealand v2.1 SBF, I couldn't access my OpenRecovery anymore. I didn't delete or change any files on my memory card, so if I could access OpenRecovery and root my device as well as flash a custom rom when I was still on Froyo, then why can't I do it again when I flash to Eclair?
I *think* I know the reason, is it because it patched the vulnerable recovery or something? I think this is what I need to do to fix this:
http://android.doshaska.net/rootable
I haven't done it yet coz i'm busy these days, but i just need a confirmation so I know that it is indeed the case.
I *think* I know the reason, is it because it patched the vulnerable recovery or something? I think this is what I need to do to fix this:
http://android.doshaska.net/rootable
I haven't done it yet coz i'm busy these days, but i just need a confirmatio
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true story . it should say something about eocd marker and fail.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698059
For the data part, were you talking about my wifi problem, and suggesting I check the APN settings?
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sorry... i don't know, last night i thought i read something else, about working 3g and 2g not ..must be the skittles... to much rainbow
i suggest finding out what country baseband are similar to New Zealand and flash/apply that one )