With people trying different ROM all the time would it affect the lifespan of the internal storage? If so, can you replace it then whenever it gives out? Cheers!
No, it is soldered down. Desoldering it would be more-or-less akin to performing the miracle of walking on water.
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With people trying different ROM all the time would it affect the lifespan of the internal storage? If so, can you replace it then whenever it gives out? Cheers!
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While I'm sure that there is a finite limit to the amount of read/write cycles that can be done on the memory of the phone, if you are really worried, you can just load all of your apps onto a microSD (and just tear up that memory instead).
While I am not sure if it is possible to run the whole OS from the microSD slot, it has been done on other devices but would be slow and buggy.
However, if you want to only limit the total number of read/write cycles on the physical memory, a great way is by moving apps to external storage, but bear in mind they will run slower.
Also, you will probably upgrade your phone far earlier than you might have a problem with the internal storage corrupting.
In terms of flashing ROMs, this is somewhat of a valid point, but once there is a stable ICS rom of your liking, chances are at least some of us will be flashing much less
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Ok so I have been looking for an answer for a little bit and have found very little so...
Is it better to load programs onto the phones memory or onto a SD card?
I would think it would take a lot more memory/power to pull files off of a SD card rather than from the device itself, but then you dont have a lot of memory on the phone?
pros and cons of each. THANKS
I put "device" programs (eg quick menu, oto etc) onto main memory and games, apps onto the sd card. That way I figure the apps which are in use alot will already be in memory and easier to open and the apps/games I don't always use can be pulled from storage card when I want to use them.
If you max out the Storage memory on your device, many programs won't be able to run (they still need room to store temp files, etc.), and you'll start getting warnings.
I've found the performance hit in using SD-base applications to be negligible...
You want as much room on your phone as possible. WM will run faster, and if you max out your phone memory, you'll notice a decrease in performance not to mention the low memory warnings you'll get.
The question is do you ever remove your microSD? If you do, you need to install the softwares that you use all the time into the phone memory. Otherwise, I found the performence different is very little between the 2 memory location.
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You want as much room on your phone as possible. WM will run faster, and if you max out your phone memory, you'll notice a decrease in performance not to mention the low memory warnings you'll get.
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It used to be true with WM2003, but I don't think it applies to WM6. The storage and running memory areas are now separated.
I will try to keep the device memory as free as possible, because the phone will run faster, so only system program will be installed on the device, also programs like pocket cm and worldmate uses more power to startup, so I also put them in the phone and not memory card, as this will create less errors.
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I reformatted the Internal Memory (4GB) with the trialversion of CnetX Flash Format, using FAT32 with 16k clustersize (as opposed to 4k clustersize).
Starting large applications from the Internal Storage is now 25% faster. TT7 took 17 seconds from start to 100% route calculation, after formatting it takes 13 seconds.
Remember to backup internal storage first.
Format the internal storage is a good thing to do from time to time, i defrag it with Perfect Disk
omaga said:
Format the internal storage is a good thing to do from time to time, i defrag it with Perfect Disk
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Perfectdisk - sounds interesting...where did you get that from?
neilsupermac999 said:
Perfectdisk - sounds interesting...where did you get that from?
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http://tinyurl.com/awwxn3
JonInAtl said:
http://tinyurl.com/awwxn3
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The reason for asking the question is that googling 'perfect disk windows mobile' doesnt bring up anything particularly obvious in relation to defragging handset storage.
I'll refrain from passing any more comments on your post..but thank you...no...really.
omaga said:
Format the internal storage is a good thing to do from time to time, i defrag it with Perfect Disk
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Defrag a Flash based memory? This is absolute unnecessary:
Flash memory isn't accessed by a single read/write head. So it doesn't need its contained files to be made contiguous and moved closer together to speed access. This means that there is an unexpected - by me at any rate - benefit to flash memory compared to hard drives. You don't need to do so much house-keeping.
You may have applications that assume or require files in flash memory to be contiguous. In that case defragging would be a good idea. But wait, there is a problem. Flash memory only supports a finite number of writes and defraging involves a lot of writing. So by defragging flash you are shortening its working life.
neilsupermac999 said:
The reason for asking the question is that googling 'perfect disk windows mobile' doesnt bring up anything particularly obvious in relation to defragging handset storage.
I'll refrain from passing any more comments on your post..but thank you...no...really.
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I had the same results but after going ahead and looking at the demo version it's still not clear how Perfect Disk works with the Diamond internal storage.
--Never mind--
Figured it out, forgot I could use Settings/USB to PC to set device as a "removable disk". Works fine.
I have done that before and yes it does seem to speed up the phone
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Defrag a Flash based memory? This is absolute unnecessary:
Flash memory only supports a finite number of writes and defraging involves a lot of writing. So by defragging flash you are shortening its working life.
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So you would recommend not using the built in capability to use the Diamond memory as a removable disk or is there something in the defrag process that is substantially different than user read/writes related to working life?
Interesting that your post is a direct quote from a Nov 05 Techworld posting (for which you may have been the author). Here is a more contemporary and empirical exercise on the subject of fragmented flash memories:
http://www.lagom.nl/misc/flash_fragmentation.html
Having said all that, I didn't expect much just thought there might be some overhead cleanup, and I didn't worry over shortening the life of the memory, but could be convinced otherwise.
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Reformatting with bigger cluster size will give a bit better performance at the cost of space. You wont notice much unless there's loads of small files though. A 1 byte file will still take up the same amount of size on the disk as the cluster size. If a file is 1 byte larger then the cluster size it will take up the same amount of space as 2x the cluster size. In other words it will always round up.
Defrag a flash unit however I don't think is wise. I red that you should not defrag SSD drives for pc as it may affect the life span on them, and it makes no sense defraging them anyway since they are not accessed like a harddrive.
I was just wondering, since using a Linux Swap over time wears down your SD card, doesn't using a CompCache wear down your internal memory.. which is just as bad if not worse?
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I was just wondering, since using a Linux Swap over time wears down your SD card, doesn't using a CompCache wear down your internal memory.. which is just as bad if not worse?
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Compcache doesn't use internal memory but the phone's RAM, two different things, don't get them confused. Like the RAM in your computer, it doesn't have a limit two how many times it can be written to or read from. So its "healthier" for your phone. But its results are mixed, some see a huge improvement, some see none, some see their phones slow down. Its worth a try as its only one userinit.sh from being used. Not a huge ordeal, if it doesn't work, delete the script and just reboot your phone and you're back to just linux-swap.
Trying very hard to keep the Internal Storage on my Eris @ 50% . Wonder how low I can really go before I run into issues ???? Too bad I'm not rooted otherwise I would move/install some of my apps to my 16GB MSD card.
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Trying very hard to keep the Internal Storage on my Eris @ 50% . Wonder how low I can really go before I run into issues ???? Too bad I'm not rooted otherwise I would move/install some of my apps to my 16GB MSD card.
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Just try to make sure you're only hanging on to apps you actually use versus something that was cool for like 10 minutes and then forgotten. I would also reccomend wiping dalvik cache every now and then. Also there's a cool little app called app monster that allows you to store apps on your sd card. you can't run them but if its something you dont want to get rid of then you can have a back up.
why does it matter if your internal storage is at 50%?
Maybe a bit of obsessive complusive (not saying this to be derogatory) mixed with hoping to keep his phone as fast as possible?
Don't know about the compulsive part, but yeah I am looking to keep my phone "mean and lean". I gather I can load up my phone with tons of Apps and not be concerned about how little storage space I wind up with. By the way I am a Windows person , and learned the hard way . Tis not the case with Android?
Yea, the system paths are set up a little different in that respect. What's holding you back from rooting? If you're leaked, I understand, and sympathize. If it's warranty issues, then you can always recover and go back to stock. If you aren't sure how to do it, well there are plenty of how-to's and helpful people here. Apps 2 SD is pretty nice, and that's just the beginning...muahaha.
I was leaked the day it came out in March ..just my luck . Just wondered about space. Saw/heard on another forum where someone ran out of space and ran into issues. To me this is the best forum to get positive answers
i got a few questions...
1) i have on average 36m of available memory, is this normal? i got task manager app and seem to be at my optimization limit..
2) im on stock 1.5 now, what is the fastest and most efficient firmware out now that reduces the bloat and optimizes the phone, and how do i put it on the phone
3) what else can you do with the usb cable, is there a 3rd party android client for pc or something like that? anything interesting like that
thanks
1) I assume you mean 36 MB of RAM available? Not internal memory? If so, yes that is actually very good, I average less than 25 and tend to stay under 20 MB
2) There are ROMs on the G1 going all the way up to 2.2, I for one have chosen to stick to 1.6 because, I know many people will disagree with me on this, but I simply just believe the G1's hardware wasn't really meant to go anywhere above 1.6. 2.2 and anything above 1.6 in my opinion is a bit too slow and cumbersome for me. I believe you should make the move to 1.6, maybe SuperD which is what I have been using for half a year now. 1.6 more closely integrates the search function and search tools, when you upgrade to 1.6 you will quickly see what I mean by that and it tends to cause a bit of lag and takes a large chunk of memory, though it is more convenient.
3) Well... you can use it for ADB (Android Debug Bridge). You can use it with Android ScreenCast, which is a program that allows you to use your G1 from your computer as long as it is connected to your phone, you can see whats on the screen, click, etc.
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I don't know if you have rooted your phone or not, but you will definitely need to do that first. Find instruction for that, there are only like a couple dozen threads telling how on XDA.
Find your ROM, again I recommend a 1.6 ROM, but feel free to give 2.2 a try and see if you like it. Install it, do be careful and read the instructions very carefully, especially when it comes to flashing a new radio image, you can brick your phone rendering it unusable.
So just look those things up, follow instructions carefully, reread everything in the instructions before doing anything and of course, in the case you do mess up, I can't be held responsible, I just provided you with a start. Best of luck!
there was an update to 1.6 so im on 1.6 now
since the g1 appears to have a limited amount of ram, is apps2sd worth it, say if i get a class 6 sd card of newegg, how difficult is it to install apps to the sd, and what is the performance
will the sd card deteriorate over time and lose performance?
i just want to put together the most efficient longest lasting setup
btw my i was checking my ram i guess through the task manager app, my free internal memory is like 50+mb..i dont see the point of an sd card if its not even being used, so running apps off the sd is what interests me, i dont have much other reasons to root
RAM really doesn't have that much to do with Apps2SD. I believe you should go ahead with the Apps2SD, but it really depends on how many applications you have. If you have anymore than 30 or so applications, you should go with Apps2SD. I for one am not certain about the effects of low internal memory, except that it gives you an alert every once in a while. My phone has "grown up" with Apps2SD from the start, so I don't have much experience on how a phone runs without it. The thing with Apps2SD is that it might be a hair slower than storing in internal memory, but that is a given. I use a Class 4 SD card and it still runs really nicely, a Class 6 SD card should definitely be good.
The lifetime of an SD card is pretty dicey, it really depends. SD cards have a certain amount of read and write cycles they can do before they finally kill over. Using Apps2SD will be a bit more harder on the SD card, especially if you use a Swap partition too. I use both, and my SD card is still working even a year and a half later.
One benefit, though I don't know how much this means to you, more internal storage data gives you more storage for system applications, such as for Contacts, text messages, etc.
A word of warning though, as using these features like Swap and Apps2SD does put more work on the SD card, the chance of error and corruption on the card itself increases a bit too. So far, I have had two instances in the year and a half where my SD card simply just blanked out. The first time around I lost everything that was on it, music, pictures and all my applications and application data and my phone could no longer boot (this was an issue with older ROMs back in the day of Android 1.0 and when everyone though Cupcake was a myth, when running Apps2SD, the phones would need the SD card to boot, it is no longer a problem). Just a suggestion, backup what is on your SD card every once in a while. I don't mean to scare you with that, it is extremely rare for that to happen, I believe I was just unlucky.
With Apps2SD, I actually feel a lot more free on my phone. I can install tons of applications and not have to worry about running out of memory, I have over 100 applications installed, which the internal memory (because of the applications I have) can't even hold.
So to wrap it up, I apologize for the long winded explanations, I say go Apps2SD, it really is worth it. Most of the ROMs today support automatic Apps2SD, whenever you install an application it just automatically goes onto your Ext3 partition. (Yes, you will need to repartition your SD card to have an Ext3 partition as well as a Swap partition if you want, this can be done really easily with Amon's Recovery Image.) In some ROMs, you can just go to the settings/ Spare Parts section and check Apps2SD.
so basically app2sd has only to do with the internal memory...it will not help free the ram even with a swap drive, is this what your saying correct
it will help only with installed applications
Yes that is correct, Apps2SD is designed to keep internal storage memory free and open for other things like text messages, call logs, internet data (cache, cookies, etc) and cache data for other applications like Google Maps and the Android Market.
where are the text messages stored by default, in the internal memory or the sim card, cause my old phone could hold only 25 messages in the sim card, how does this work on here
Messages are stored in internal memory and no where else, they can be moved to the SIM card with other applications, though space is extremely limited there.
hitman3x said:
1) i have on average 36m of available memory, is this normal? i got task manager app and seem to be at my optimization limit..
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This is a linux based system.. "free" memory is pretty much meaningless. Stop worrying about it. Task manager apps are a waste of time and actually cause a lot of problems in android.
hitman3x said:
2) im on stock 1.5 now, what is the fastest and most efficient firmware out now that reduces the bloat and optimizes the phone, and how do i put it on the phone
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Why don't you root your phone and find that out for yourself? Everyone has their own favourite build so you won't get many meaningful answers here.
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3) what else can you do with the usb cable
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Err.. I don't know.. lace your shoes with it? That's an odd question.
hitman3x said:
3) what else can you do with the usb cable, is there a 3rd party android client for pc or something like that? anything interesting like that
thanks
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Well once rooted, with most roms you can tether your pc to your phone for internet access (using the phone as a modem so to speak). useful if you are in dire need of internet access using a pc/laptop with no current available wired connection.
alright i figured most of this out i tried thedudes lite and dwang 1.17.1 build
the only problem i have is any build on donut (1.6) makes my camera not work the camera closes unexpectedly all the time (full wipe)
on cupcake its completely fine