Wild Child said:
Superguide is outdated now
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I was going to post this as a reply to the "Rooting My HTC Vivid At&T on Android 4.0.3 ICS" thread, but I decided to make it a new thread because it touches on a number of current threads.
Any chance someone will update or add to the Superguide because of all the changes and improvements that have occurred? (Not to mention the all-in-1 tool if it is still relevant.)
For those of who have never messed with a phone OS, but might want to, or who have managed to mess up their phone, we really need a consolidated, current and COMPLETE guide. Also, please explain the terms and acronyms that the devs know but some of us do not.
I read these threads each day, and I have gotten a lot from some of them. But with the ongoing changes, and with the ongoing crashes that people need help on, the correct methods and fixes are scattered over hundreds of posts in dozens of threads. I have seen some that are useful, but I don't think they can take me from step 1 to the end successfully. They tend to address only specific scenarios.
This will take time for someone, but if it eliminates some bricked phones, and eliminates a bunch of new threads, it would be worth it. And it needs to be pinned, so it won't be buried on page 3 in a couple of days. There's probably a lot of good stuff back on page 40, but who's going to go find it.
The experts say, "search" and "read the threads." Well, I have. And I doubt anyone with my lack of experience would find all the changes and updates that have occurred since the Superguide was done.
I am not criticizng the Superguide. It is exactly the type of thing we need. It just needs to be made current. And someone needs to make sure that nothing is assumed. I am afraid the Development forum is too technical for me in most cases. I know the real work is done there, but someone over here needs to make sense (no pun intended) of it all.
I hope I have not offended anyone.
I am new (three weeks) to android. The Superguide and two users helped me get this far. That said it took a bit to understand what the Superguide was talking about. The acronym section is great, found it yesterday.
It would be nice to have it all in one section. Big thanks to slapshot30 for the hard work, as well as the others on xda.
I would be willing to help create a new super guide but at the same time I don't want to overstep my boundaries and take away from someone else's work. I will gladly put something together if there are no objections. Been wanting to for a while anyway.
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I would be willing to help create a new super guide but at the same time I don't want to overstep my boundaries and take away from someone else's work. I will gladly put something together if there are no objections. Been wanting to for a while anyway.
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That would be nice. Having all the new info as well as links to acronyms would be great for new users, probably cut down on questions and frustration. I would like it as well. I suppose a couple pm's and a line or two pointing out whose work it was...
Sorry it hasn't been updated for so long guys. I was under the impression that ever since the All-In-One tool came along, everyone migrated over to that. Can you explain better what more you are looking for though? I know I need to add things regarding upgrading the HBOOT. Maybe something involving S-OFF as well. I don't know the best way to go about it though. I feel like I'd need a few seperate complete guides for each different version of the device, which would be a cluster f***. I wouldn't need to do that if I included stuff about S-OFF but I don't feel it's right to just make everyone (noobs included) S-OFF their device. Just give me some opinions.
EDIT: The general knowledge thread is a great resource as well. As far as the all-in-one tool goes though, I won't be fully integrating that into my guide. That is Hasoon's and he already has a stickied thread for it. I have it linked in the top of the superguide as well.
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Sorry it hasn't been updated for so long guys. I was under the impression that ever since the All-In-One tool came along, everyone migrated over to that. Can you explain better what more you are looking for though? I know I need to add things regarding upgrading the HBOOT. Maybe something involving S-OFF as well. I don't know the best way to go about it though. I feel like I'd need a few seperate complete guides for each different version of the device, which would be a cluster f***. I wouldn't need to do that if I included stuff about S-OFF but I don't feel it's right to just make everyone (noobs included) S-OFF their device. Just give me some opinions.
EDIT: The general knowledge thread is a great resource as well. As far as the all-in-one tool goes though, I won't be fully integrating that into my guide. That is Hasoon's and he already has a stickied thread for it. I have it linked in the top of the superguide as well.
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Well like just remake it. it would be so much easier for you, i would be more that happy to help out
i suggest that if you do start over you just go step by step as you did your first one. that thread is so usefull and it is amazing, just outdated is all. so follow the same format for example first thing would be like how to unlock, root.... etc. then you would have s-off option then have a litle section for those who do decide to get s off and then a different one for those who decide to keep s-on.
idk, this is just a suggestion. if you are willing to really do this shoot me a pm ill be more than happy to help and ill even do it all if you dont feel you have the time or simply dont want to. but we would have to ask all the devs if this would be ok of course all of them will be given 100 percent credit for their outstanding work. and then we can start asap.
Just updated, still a little rough around the edges. Let me know in the dev thread if you have any suggestions.
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Just updated, still a little rough around the edges. Let me know in the dev thread if you have any suggestions.
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Your awesome Slapshot30!
Thanks a lot! 7:59 minutes after the request, what a badass.
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I was under the impression that ever since the All-In-One tool came along, everyone migrated over to that.
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I'm sure that there are a lot of people here like me that want to learn a bit about our phones, and would much prefer to read a guide and learn via a bit of playing around. When we get it wrong, well, stuffing it up just adds to the fun.
So, Slashdot, for me and I'm sure many others here your SuperGuide is a jewel, a chunk of concentrated knowledge in a sea of... of... oh, I don't know... other stuff!
Also, I use linux, so windows programs aren't a lot of use anyway.
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I'm sure that there are a lot of people here like me that want to learn a bit about our phones, and would much prefer to read a guide and learn via a bit of playing around. When we get it wrong, well, stuffing it up just adds to the fun.
So, Slashdot, for me and I'm sure many others here your SuperGuide is a jewel, a chunk of concentrated knowledge in a sea of... of... oh, I don't know... other stuff!
Also, I use linux, so windows programs aren't a lot of use anyway.
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Glad to hear people still like the "old fashioned" way . Different flavors for everyone. Some just want an easy click and root process, some like to get their hands dirty and learn some things that are actually pretty important. This is essentially the reason I haven't added any batch files to the guide, people need to learn this stuff involving the command prompt. I've made it pretty easy as it is in my opinion. I might add some batch files just for the heck of it though, just to avoid the headaches.
i dont want to s-off my device and want to install all the custom roms without doing it
someone pls guide me !
thanks..
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Glad to hear people still like the "old fashioned" way . Different flavors for everyone. ... I might add some batch files just for the heck of it though, just to avoid the headaches.
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Yeah sure, batch files / shell scripts are great - you can either just run them, or you can pick them apart to see what's happening. Or both.
Best of both worlds...
aaki_rocker said:
i dont want to s-off my device and want to install all the custom roms without doing it
someone pls guide me !
thanks..
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Unless your carrier has official ICS, then that is your only option if I'm not mistaken... Because if it doesn't have official ICS then we have no way of updating your HBOOT without getting S OFF.
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Unless your carrier has official ICS, then that is your only option if I'm not mistaken... Because if it doesn't have official ICS then we have no way of updating your HBOOT without getting S OFF.
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it is already running ics and sense 3.6?
i'll post a snapshot of the hboot screen over here so that you'll get a very clear idea !
aaki_rocker said:
it is already running ics and sense 3.6?
i'll post a snapshot of the hboot screen over here so that you'll get a very clear idea !
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Look in the other thread you made, I gave you some instructions. You might already have the latest version, or it might be the unofficial leak. You might want to run the RUU first just in case.
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i just dont get this. i have been a member for 2 months and im just as lost as i was when i started. if i ask 1 of the people who know what to do they say search or gtfo. i search and end up more confused. the threads arent very friendly to a person just starting out like me. all of the language is written for people who already no what their doing. its not dumbed down at all. i think i will just use this site to download roms and themes since thats all i can seem to do
I am not trying to attack you or anything, but what is the purpose of this thread?
There are a lot of helpful people around here, maybe you aren't putting your questions in the Q&A thread? Or they aren't worded properly so people know how to assist you.... IDK.
Seeing as this is the only thread you have ever started here, I can't really say that it looks like you have posted much requesting help. I see one post where you were having problems flashing a new recovery image, but it looks like you probably just entered either the file name or path wrong. Or you didn't save the file in the root of your sdcard.
But, also, seeing as this is the XDA-Developers forum.... a certain level of knowledge seems to be expected by a lot of the members. I really don't see where anyone has told you to search or GTFO, in fact, I didn't really notice any responses to your posts.
If you want people to help you, post in the proper section and form coherent, explanatory questions.
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i just dont get this. i have been a member for 2 months and im just as lost as i was when i started. if i ask 1 of the people who know what to do they say search or gtfo. i search and end up more confused. the threads arent very friendly to a person just starting out like me. all of the language is written for people who already no what their doing. its not dumbed down at all. i think i will just use this site to download roms and themes since thats all i can seem to do
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I'm home sick today. What do you need help with. I'll help you out..
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I'm home sick today. What do you need help with. I'll help you out..
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See, another helpful person offering assistance..
This place isn't all that bad, now is it?
The issue is this I think...
Generally, you need to know something of what you are doing. The reasons are simple;
1) If things start to go wrong, you need to understand enough about the process to at least be able to follow instructions without them having to be written in a specific button-by-button manner,
2) People who blindly follow instructions are bound to miss a step or screw one up simply because they don't understand the instructions (this goes back to #1).
If you are a regular user of an android device, I suggest sticking with a stock build -- they are meant for people who know nothing about the platform. If you are an advanced user, you should be able to get the "gist" of things and fill in the blanks where necessary.
I'm not telling you to gtfo, what I'm telling you is that you really need to think about YOUR level of understanding of how things happen. If you aren't advanced enough to be able to fill in a few blanks here and there, then you might want to think about what you are doing, which is essentially putting a fairly expensive piece of technology into the hands of people you don't know and have no reason to trust. You also have to realize that the instructions that you get from here don't go through months of QA to verify that they are perfectly correct with no chance of, for example, bricking your phone. It is very possible that you could see a bunch of instructions that tell you what to do, but that the author maybe accidentally forgot to include a critical step, and it is absolutely UP TO YOU to be able to see that there is a missing step.
I concur. I have had numerous people ask me for help rooting their g1's. Some I help because they are computer literate and have hacked or altered software on other platforms and hardware. Those that have asked that still need help when basic things go wrong in a windows platform, I say no and tell them to enjoy their Android phone. If they are willing to dive in and learn, my offer may change down the road
What do you need help with?
Where do I get started?
Just been wondering that as of late, how do I get around to get starting on my own build?
Any advice is helpful thanks!
They don't like to give straight answers to this question. I think it's kind of like when you first start in a trade, like when I started dong electric work, you have to pay your dues. In the case of a trade it's dong the **** work, in this case I think it's searching thousands of threads, trial and error, risking bricking your phone, etc. Nobody likes a noob taking a shortcut. Lol.
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Where do I get started?
Just been wondering that as of late, how do I get around to get starting on my own build?
Any advice is helpful thanks!
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They don't like to give straight answers to this question. I think it's kind of like when you first start in a trade, like when I started dong electric work, you have to pay your dues. In the case of a trade it's dong the **** work, in this case I think it's searching thousands of threads, trial and error, risking bricking your phone, etc. Nobody likes a noob taking a shortcut. Lol.
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While this is *sometimes* true, we here at XDA try not to make it so. However, I will say that it's quite a task and a pain in the ass to find the information one tries to look for; there really isn't a "Tutorial" section (Wiki, yes -- but with limited info). Usually, the search function will find you the information you're looking for -- if not, ALWAYS check other websites. (e.g. Android Central, Modaco's website, etc)
Case and Point:
To get started with ROM development, Icon making, and setting up a Ubuntu for the Android SDK, use these links below.
**All credit goes to Gbhil - who can be found here and at Android Central for the information found in these links!
** For ROM development
1. http://forum.androidcentral.com/hacking/6037-general-rom-faq.html
** For Customer Icons
2. http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-hero-roms-hacks/6070-changing-hero-application-icons.html
** Setting up Ubuntu
3. http://forum.androidcentral.com/hac...ramming-envrionment-using-ubuntu-windows.html]
These should get you started, after this -- like I said earlier -- USE the search function, there is information here; otherwise search elsewhere also. Good luck.
a bit drastic, but not untrue...
actually just asking "how to" is a bit unspecific. just start by looking how others have done it. and to actually brick your phone by toying with roms is hard to do. a pretty safe way to achieve a brick would be flashing a wrong radio or spl, which is not part of rom cooking. as long as your custom recovery image boots your phone is fully working. now go and rip apart your favorite rom, and a last hint: there is actually a thread called "[how to] rom cooking" somewhere in the hero section... maybe worth a search?
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a bit drastic, but not untrue...
actually just asking "how to" is a bit unspecific. just start by looking how others have done it. and to actually brick your phone by toying with roms is hard to do. a pretty safe way to achieve a brick would be flashing a wrong radio or spl, which is not part of rom cooking. as long as your custom recovery image boots your phone is fully working. now go and rip apart your favorite rom, and a last hint: there is actually a thread called "[how to] rom cooking" somewhere in the hero section... maybe worth a search?
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Yes, its by Lox_Dev -- but for a beginner, this might be overwhelming.
Just because I want to be nice: Here's the link he's talking about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551711
Checkout this, it's on ROM cooking:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551711
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=639726
For the record guys, I was just joking about the not being helpful thing. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. And I completely understand the idea behind the mindset, regardless. When someone at work comes up to me and asks me something about an android phone, I say "I have written three tutorials on troubleshooting, syncing, and basic use of the device. Go read it." After I take the time to write the **** down, it's offensive when someone just wants to ask and have their hand held instead of doing a little reading and legwork. But once again, wasn't trying to insult or piss anyone off.
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For the record guys, I was just joking about the not being helpful thing. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. And I completely understand the idea behind the mindset, regardless. When someone at work comes up to me and asks me something about an android phone, I say "I have written three tutorials on troubleshooting, syncing, and basic use of the device. Go read it." After I take the time to write the **** down, it's offensive when someone just wants to ask and have their hand held instead of doing a little reading and legwork. But once again, wasn't trying to insult or piss anyone off.
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I agree. I've took the time to read,search and try things.
I flashed the zip file and tried to flash it but I got a "can't find update script" Does anyone know what Im doing wrong?
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I flashed the zip file and tried to flash it but I got a "can't find update script" Does anyone know what Im doing wrong?
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lol you probably have no update script
unzip an existing (working!) rom and check the contents of the META-INF folder, the three files in it are the signatures and can be deleted (will be recreated when signing the the file in the end). now check the subfolders, eventually you will find the update script.
LOL. The ROM I trying to flash is the early 2.0.1 release from flipz. I was just clearing out stuff I didn't want. Ill take a look at that, thanks.
I'm posting this in the Development section because that is what I am trying to learn about. Please move me if I am mis-posting this.
I'm greatly interested in the the Roms people are making and everything that is being done on these forums. If someone wanted to start to learn about these things, developing and such, where should they start? Do I need to learn Java? Are there certain books I should be reading?
I can flash my phone like its my day job now, and I haven't come across any major problems I couldn't solve by reading, but I have no idea where to start to be able to develop things myself. If any developers here could maybe throw out a few tips on how to get started, what someone should focus on learning, etc., it would be greatly appreciated! I have plenty of time and a great desire to learn so I'm not intimidated by having to do the work, I just have to have some things to focus on. Thank you in advance for any help/advice you can give me!
I always wanted to know how make roms also I was looking around the internet but couldn't find anything that will describe it step by step word for word.
Maccie
It will be a huge writeup.But im sure someone will do it. I am still learning myself. There are some good topics around but different from what we have now
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I'm posting this in the Development section because that is what I am trying to learn about. Please move me if I am mis-posting this.
I'm greatly interested in the the Roms people are making and everything that is being done on these forums. If someone wanted to start to learn about these things, developing and such, where should they start? Do I need to learn Java? Are there certain books I should be reading?
I can flash my phone like its my day job now, and I haven't come across any major problems I couldn't solve by reading, but I have no idea where to start to be able to develop things myself. If any developers here could maybe throw out a few tips on how to get started, what someone should focus on learning, etc., it would be greatly appreciated! I have plenty of time and a great desire to learn so I'm not intimidated by having to do the work, I just have to have some things to focus on. Thank you in advance for any help/advice you can give me!
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There are a number of aspects to android development you have to learn to know how to build a full ROM from scratch. C is of course required for kernel building, and apps are built from java in the dalvik-vm, but can be built against sun java.
of course, to get started, you would need the android sdk available here: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
then there's the cloning of the android git:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
and, specifically for the captivate, there's the captivate source code:
http://opensource.samsung.com/
then there's pulling off the vendor proprietary libs from your phone (which is a ***** and I believe you can grab them from wes's github, though I can't speak for their accuracy) here:
http://github.com/wesgarner/proprietary_vendor_samsung
building the entire android OS from source is a challenge, especially compensating for some changes Samsung has introduced. this is what a real ROM is. now if you're talking about "ROM"s like Cognition and Shep's and even Eugene's Hybrid/Frankin-Twiz... they aren't comparable. Not to belittle any of their efforts, but this is simple "drag and drop" from stuff built by Samsung. While they're very useful tools, there is little actual development going on in them. There are improvements and tweaks, for sure... but it isn't a *true* ROM. All these releases by DesignGears, Eugene, and Shep are good and effective, but it'd be a shame if they weren't because they are just files thrown together from Samsung's already compiled ROM(s). Even the AOSP Beta 3 (which I have a qualm with the name, because it isn't actually AOSP, it's files pulled from an already built AOSP tossed onto Samsung's ROM again) is just modifying binaries (decompile, edit, recompile).
for those, it's as simple as extracting the zip, replacing the files you want, and rezip it. modifying the update-script inside meta-inf if there's something you want to add.
Awesome post Kaik, thanks, I was wondering some of those too.
Thx that explained a bunch
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Thank you for taking the time to post that Kaik! It's nice to have a place to start! Anyone else have any tips or things they think might be good to check out?
last, but certainly not least and I can't believe I forgot this, is Unhelpful's toolchain to compile against:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761923
he did a lot of testing with various combinations, and this was the best he found to reduce wakeup lag and other issues
Wow. Kaik. That was the most awesome response to that question I have ever seen. Most people just point to developer.android.com and say go learn to program and come back in 5 years.
Thank you for this very useful information. Your the man now dog.
johnyhoffman said:
Most people just point to developer.android.com and say go learn to program and come back in 5 years.
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Devs are not being mean or pissy, they are being honest and realistic. If development was just "point and click" XDA would not even be here. Give the devs/veterans a break and take it upon yourself to learn the basics and do some searches, if you are that interested.
I would love to just start making my own Android OS just the way I like too but to do that will require much more reading and learning, trying and failing.
You will probably not find "the answer" you are looking for but if you search, read and most importantly, respect the time, energy and anguish people have put into this site you will find the means to get where you want.
Otherwise you can expect... "Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well here is a modded ROM. I'll try that. Jeez, that sucks. How do I make my own? Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well ..." It is an endless cycle.
I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. Most have been there, including myself. I say this as a vote of confidence to all.
Hang in there, do the work, break some phones, read some books. Really! You have to!
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Devs are not being mean or pissy, they are being honest and realistic. If development was just "point and click" XDA would not even be here. Give the devs/veterans a break and take it upon yourself to learn the basics and do some searches, if you are that interested.
I would love to just start making my own Android OS just the way I like too but to do that will require much more reading and learning, trying and failing.
You will probably not find "the answer" you are looking for but if you search, read and most importantly, respect the time, energy and anguish people have put into this site you will find the means to get where you want.
Otherwise you can expect... "Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well here is a modded ROM. I'll try that. Jeez, that sucks. How do I make my own? Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well ..." It is an endless cycle.
I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. Most have been there, including myself. I say this as a vote of confidence to all.
Hang in there, do the work, break some phones, read some books. Really! You have to!
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this times one thousand. I linked you guys to some very useful sites when it comes to actually putting android together... but understanding how it all works, actually getting a successful build, fixing bugs, etc... I can't even begin to pretend to be able to help with that. if you have little to no experience in C and Java, these things will basically be useless to you. dev's aren't being mean when they brush you off like that, but usually if you can't figure out how to google what to do with the code, they don't have high hopes for what you'll be able to do with it once you find the code.
the idea isn't to be like "f*** off" when they say that, it's more of a "we'll help you when you learn, but you're the one who needs to take the first steps and you need to take the responsibility of learning on yourself."
I was actually referring to the fact that someone like me, a hobbyist programmer for about 10 years now, can make sense of his reply and use it to go forth and actually do something. Most of the guides you find on here that are supposedly pointed at noobs, do not layout things as easily as his post did.
Wasn't criticizing anyone, but I have seen less patience nowadays for any posts such as these.
Was just saying it was a gem of a post for me personally. Maybe it doesn't help the ultra noobs and the more experienced people see it as useless, but for someone with little time right now, it was a perfect post for me.
can any one give me the rom for ics for nexus one and blackrose?
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can any one give me the rom for ics for nexus one and blackrose?
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First of all, I am going to assume (perhaps wrongly) that you are 14 years-old (from your user name), and believe me when I tell you: I know that age is hard, and I know because I've been there, however, no matter how hard it was for me I knew that if I dared asking my mother what a word meant, I'd get immediate attention and instructions to f-off and check up on a dictionary (there was no wikipedia nor google back then) and that no-one else was going to do for me what I didn't do by myself, it is with such background that I want to tell you something:
Last saturday I decided to try ICS on my N1, I had no idea where to start since it had been over 8 months when I last did anything to my phone. Still it took me 25 minutes to not only find the right thread, read it, understand it, download the stuff I needed, and read again to make sure I am not doing something dumb, it also was enough time to actually do the whole process.
Now, considering you already found your way into XDA-Developers and you know how to read threads and know how to post questions, I'd say you have wasted approximately 1 hour thinking somebody is actually going to give you the ROM for ICS and Blackrose, let alone baby-walk you through the process.
I am going to assume that most devs are ignoring this thread (and rightly so) as well as most respected members (and I'd like to consider myself a quiet, self-respected member) but still, I do believe its good to take a bit of time from everyday routine to let someone else know "hey! you are doing it wrong" and hopefully get into that person's head and make that little switch go click.
If after all of this you still feel entitled to have someone hand you over a couple of files, please by all means head over to this location: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
Thanks and have a great life!
srry im very new here and i couldnt get my way around and ive been checking for hours on the files for ics on the N1 and had nothing but thanks for ur reply
as i said, again im extremely new to all of this and i dont know how to put ROMs in the phone and how to just do any of this if anyone can just give me something from where i can start i will be gladly appreciated
See, now that is different and worth of paying at least a little bit of attention. However I don't believe you have spent hours without making some sense of anything, at least you know about ICS and Blackrose, you may have a rough idea of what you want to accomplish, and so I'll point you in the right direction by telling you to look for the very first thread on the android development forum for nexus one, the one referring to the wiki and to now read it instead of skipping it as you probably did the first time. I'm sure if you read through it you'll understand the basics and will be able to figure it out really soon.
Good luck.
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Dnt be discouraged...everyone was once a noob. Just as the above user said check out texasice ics and bcm ics.we will help u in every way..read the forums and POSTs ...not just the first and 2nd..
thank you for the reply and i will check the first android development on the n1 and go step by step understanding everything
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darknecro98 said:
can any one give me the rom for ics for nexus one and blackrose?
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I use this one in my (now replaced by SGS3) nexus one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366897
You should read the instructions carefully, the process involves a few steps...
Note that there are 2 o 3 ICS ROMs for Nexus One, and they all have some glitches (USB tethering, camera, SoDs) but they are quite usable.
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So..The things you were shut down on. Were they CM related, or Sense stuff?
Did they involve you working solo, or with a team? Give more details, get the word out.
Felnarion said:
So..The things you were shut down on. Were they CM related, or Sense stuff?
Did they involve you working solo, or with a team? Give more details, get the word out.
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I really am leery of pointing fingers at specific people because I'm new here and don't want to make a name for myself as a whiner. But, basically it is both. The custom ROMs I am working on have all been built before by me on other devices, so that's not the issue. I have inquired about possibly collaborating with other devs on some Sense related stuff and was looking into why there was no official or unofficial release of the current CM10.2. The sense stuff really isn't my bag as much, but i was/am interested. Others are working on the CM, but with no official release in play, no one wants to put theirs out. I have built it successfully, but have no intention of trying to lay it out there when other devs have been working on it before I got here. My thing is this: when I got tired of waiting for devs to come up with new things, I was told to put up or shut up. It was good advice; I have no coding experience specifically, but I like to learn and have been successful at not only compiling and maintaining custom builds, but also starting 'Learn to do it yourself' threads in two different device forums. I like to learn and compile and share. That's it. I don't need (or want) attention or grateful fans or any of that crap. All I want to do is open the doors for more builds and more users getting off their asses and building for themselves. It seems like a win-win to me, but I feel resistance and it is disappointing. I will get off my soapbox now
I typically touch base with any dev who is the creator/maintainer of any ROM I am interested in pursuing. My experience has been more of a quick 'try it out and see what you get' response or 'it can't be done'. This is after I have asked for not only a blessing, but for relevant information and possibly assistance. Maybe I am just hitting up devs who are already frustrated and don't want someone like me asking a bunch of questions, I don't know....
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I really am leery of pointing fingers at specific people because I'm new here and don't want to make a name for myself as a whiner. But, basically it is both. The custom ROMs I am working on have all been built before by me on other devices, so that's not the issue. I have inquired about possibly collaborating with other devs on some Sense related stuff and was looking into why there was no official or unofficial release of the current CM10.2. The sense stuff really isn't my bag as much, but i was/am interested. Others are working on the CM, but with no official release in play, no one wants to put theirs out. I have built it successfully, but have no intention of trying to lay it out there when other devs have been working on it before I got here. My thing is this: when I got tired of waiting for devs to come up with new things, I was told to put up or shut up. It was good advice; I have no coding experience specifically, but I like to learn and have been successful at not only compiling and maintaining custom builds, but also starting 'Learn to do it yourself' threads in two different device forums. I like to learn and compile and share. That's it. I don't need (or want) attention or grateful fans or any of that crap. All I want to do is open the doors for more builds and more users getting off their asses and building for themselves. It seems like a win-win to me, but I feel resistance and it is disappointing. I will get off my soapbox now
I typically touch base with any dev who is the creator/maintainer of any ROM I am interested in pursuing. My experience has been more of a quick 'try it out and see what you get' response or 'it can't be done'. This is after I have asked for not only a blessing, but for relevant information and possibly assistance. Maybe I am just hitting up devs who are already frustrated and don't want someone like me asking a bunch of questions, I don't know....
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you can start by helping to get things working in sense 4.2.2 beta rom
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you can start by helping to get things working in sense 4.2.2 beta rom
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I looked your thread up and I think we'd get along great. Anybody who says 'if you don't like me, GOOD' is someone I wanna hang with. It's also funny you should mention helping with that sense version because that's exactly what I was trying to do. Sense aint even my bag, but I was going to look into it from the SVD side to see what I could learn. Maybe I just rubbed that guy the wrong way or something. Regardless, I can't promise how much help I will actually be, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Tell me what you need and the right places to look and I'll do whatever I can. Be cool
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I looked your thread up and I think we'd get along great. Anybody who says 'if you don't like me, GOOD' is someone I wanna hang with. It's also funny you should mention helping with that sense version because that's exactly what I was trying to do. Sense aint even my bag, but I was going to look into it from the SVD side to see what I could learn. Maybe I just rubbed that guy the wrong way or something. Regardless, I can't promise how much help I will actually be, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Tell me what you need and the right places to look and I'll do whatever I can. Be cool
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do you have google hangout?
I think one issue is that there is an update to 4.3 looking for the Sprint One. This will undoubtely contain new radios and firmware that will help our phones run on 4.3+. Since this is a know update, many devs have decided to forego work on the the current 4.1.2 Sense ROMs. Some are working on the 4.2.2 Sense ROM, but with no leak, or Sprint version it is much harder work. Also, there is only source for up to 1.29. The source from the 1.31 update is not available and it has caused issues with ROMs based on that update.
Personally I don't get your complaint though. There is a lot of development and a wide selection of ROMs available from Stock Android 4.1 to 4.3 to Stock Sense, to heavily themed Sense ROMs. What exactly is not available that you want?
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raptoro07 said:
I think one issue is that there is an update to 4.3 looking for the Sprint One. This will undoubtely contain new radios and firmware that will help our phones run on 4.3+. Since this is a know update, many devs have decided to forego work on the the current 4.1.2 Sense ROMs. Some are working on the 4.2.2 Sense ROM, but with no leak, or Sprint version it is much harder work. Also, there is only source for up to 1.29. The source from the 1.31 update is not available and it has caused issues with ROMs based on that update.
Personally I don't get your complaint though. There is a lot of development and a wide selection of ROMs available from Stock Android 4.1 to 4.3 to Stock Sense, to heavily themed Sense ROMs. What exactly is not available that you want?
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This really wasn't meant to be some complaint thread with a bunch of whining; just the opposite, really. I just wanted feedback on how I am perceiving things around here. I'm cool with being told I have it wrong; was hoping for it actually. And you pointed out exactly what I mean in part. Sense this and stock that is the rule of the day here. That's ok. Everyone is allowed to like whatever they want and if sense and stock are the most wanted builds then so be it. But, I am a self-proclaimed customization junkie, for better or for worse. Personally, I like more fully custom ROM choices and have been beating my head against the wall trying to get some Beanstalk love here but without success to this point. BS is already set in 4.3 and matched with CMs 10.2 releases, so I'm stumped. If you have knowledge, I would be happy to show you some of my errors. I do think you make a great point about the whole place being in flux due to the impending 4.3 release. Like I said before, I just want to open up some development doors and get more interest in development in general. Maybe I have hit up the wrong devs or caught them at bad times. It happens.
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This really wasn't meant to be some complaint thread with a bunch of whining; just the opposite, really. I just wanted feedback on how I am perceiving things around here. I'm cool with being told I have it wrong; was hoping for it actually. And you pointed out exactly what I mean in part. Sense this and stock that is the rule of the day here. That's ok. Everyone is allowed to like whatever they want and if sense and stock are the most wanted builds then so be it. But, I am a self-proclaimed customization junkie, for better or for worse. Personally, I like more fully custom ROM choices and have been beating my head against the wall trying to get some Beanstalk love here but without success to this point. BS is already set in 4.3 and matched with CMs 10.2 releases, so I'm stumped. If you have knowledge, I would be happy to show you some of my errors. I do think you make a great point about the whole place being in flux due to the impending 4.3 release. Like I said before, I just want to open up some development doors and get more interest in development in general. Maybe I have hit up the wrong devs or caught them at bad times. It happens.
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Part of the issue might be that users are afraid of using Cm as it has a nasty habit of bricking phones that no one of notoriety has looked into, acknowledged, or found a solution to.
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Part of the issue might be that users are afraid of using Cm as it has a nasty habit of bricking phones that no one of notoriety has looked into, acknowledged, or found a solution to.
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I haven't really been looking at it after my first run (I personally like Sense a lot, and AOSP didn't have a good way of dealing with the limited hardware options for me), but wasn't the brick-spree killed a while back?
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I haven't really been looking at it after my first run (I personally like Sense a lot, and AOSP didn't have a good way of dealing with the limited hardware options for me), but wasn't the brick-spree killed a while back?
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A couple of people developed a "consensus" that it had been fixed. then 2 more people bricked their phones. ALLEGEDLY the CPU has a tendency to over clock itself and lock at 1.7 Ghz
This is all fine and dandy yet no one can figure out why or how to stop it.
I thought so too
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I thought so too
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Like I said no one ever figured out why or how to stop it. A consensus was reached but then more people bricked. No developers could be bothered to take time out of their day to look into it though.
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Like I said no one ever figured out why or how to stop it. A consensus was reached but then more people bricked. No developers could be bothered to take time out of their day to look into it though.
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I saw one guy who was addressing it and taking names and such, but then I guess it just faded away. Do you know of ongoing issues like this? Can all of the bricks be undoubtedly proven to be from no other cause? I think that would be the defining characteristic of lack of support; difficulty in proving cause. My build of CM10.2 runs fine as long as I don't try to change the font with Font Installer. And I am reasonably certain that it isn't from CM all by itself. I have the same issue with Illusion ROM 4.2.2. Anybody know why we can't change the font? My thread; I can change topic if I want to
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I saw one guy who was addressing it and taking names and such, but then I guess it just faded away. Do you know of ongoing issues like this? Can all of the bricks be undoubtedly proven to be from no other cause? I think that would be the defining characteristic of lack of support; difficulty in proving cause. My build of CM10.2 runs fine as long as I don't try to change the font with Font Installer. And I am reasonably certain that it isn't from CM all by itself. I have the same issue with Illusion ROM 4.2.2. Anybody know why we can't change the font? My thread; I can change topic if I want to
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It is the only common factor in permanent bricks. Phone gets hot, phone wont charge. All other "bricks" are user induced because people did not understand what S-Off meant, what wiping in TWRP means, what GSM means etc etc.
So how many confirmed permanent bricks and when was the last? Has anyone proven a cause? Contacted HTC or CM or Sprint? If there were twenty cases with only 5 confirmed, then it isn't that big from a larger standpoint. See what I mean? That would explain what you see as a lack of support? Has this happened to you?
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Check your hangouts.
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Why does there seem to be very little development going on here and why is the development that is taking place so closely guarded? I thought everyone wanted more choices and new options..... I see that there is current and ongoing 10.2 development (hell, I've even built it), but no one wants to release it. I'm hearing that the last guy who did that got banned. So, if everyone is waiting for OFFICIAL builds to be released first, why are there none being officially worked on? Two times in the last three weeks I have inquired about wanting to work on some new development and have either been told straight out not to release or been effectively threatened with reporting before I have even begun an attempt. I don't know if maybe there has been a rash of jerks who are trying to claim ownership of work that does not belong to them or what, but I've never seen as much negativity about new builds in any thread I have been a part of. I want to claim ownership of nothing; I only want to open doors. I guess I'll just work on things for my own use and leave this forum to the guys currently running it. HMPH :angel:
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You could build us a GSM version ROM that works on the sprint HTC One. You'd be a hero if you could do that. We've already unlocked our phones and are able to connect to the ATT / TMO but only manually. When the signal is lost it seems to still be looking to auto connect to sprint...I would think this should be a simple setting software but I know nothing about phone ROMs.
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You could build us a GSM version ROM that works on the sprint HTC One. You'd be a hero if you could do that. We've already unlocked our phones and are able to connect to the ATT / TMO but only manually. When the signal is lost it seems to still be looking to auto connect to sprint...I would think this should be a simple setting software but I know nothing about phone ROMs.
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Man, if I could do that I'd be a GOD. :angel:
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Haha Naw but I see your point but I love and appreciate every devolepers effort here on this forum ..there not a a lot but a bunch of smart and quietly brilliant devs here ...I'm comfortable but the more the merrier
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