OK, its time to upgrade my trusty DHD.....
...but what gets my hard-earned (no, really) pennies?
To me there are 4 options........
1) HTC One X
2) Samsung Galaxy Note
3) Wait until the 30th and get the Samsung Galaxy SIII
4) Keep the DHD for another 12 months and benefit from a cheaper contract.
So, if it was your pennies getting spent, where would they be going?
I'm looking for views from existing SGN users here. Do you love the Note? Hate it? What do you like most about it, and what drives you potty?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Rob
I love my note. It's definitely my favorite phone out of the 8 smartphones I've owned (iPhone 2G, 3G, 3GS, 4, HTC Sensation, Samsung Vibrant, LG G2X). The downside? It is the most disappointing phone development wise. There doesn't seem to be any good ROM out there. Stock is painfully slow. There is no CM7 which is really disappointing. Any of the ICS I've seen out has had major problems which is why I haven't upgraded yet. There are horror stories about people bring their phones when upgrading to ICS and so far it doesn't seem to be a small number of people which is really sad. Samsung is JUST rolling out ICS now but I've heard stock ICS is also very slow and if you have CWM on or from what I understand have rooted your phone at all, you run a huge risk of bricking if you try put ICS on.
TL DR; If you don't mind staying stock for a WHILE, get the Note because it's awesome having a huge screen, resolution, and the SPen.
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I love my note. It's definitely my favorite phone out of the 8 smartphones I've owned (iPhone 2G, 3G, 3GS, 4, HTC Sensation, Samsung Vibrant, LG G2X). The downside? It is the most disappointing phone development wise. There doesn't seem to be any good ROM out there. Stock is painfully slow. There is no CM7 which is really disappointing. Any of the ICS I've seen out has had major problems which is why I haven't upgraded yet. There are horror stories about people bring their phones when upgrading to ICS and so far it doesn't seem to be a small number of people which is really sad. Samsung is JUST rolling out ICS now but I've heard stock ICS is also very slow and if you have CWM on or from what I understand have rooted your phone at all, you run a huge risk of bricking if you try put ICS on.
TL DR; If you don't mind staying stock for a WHILE, get the Note because it's awesome having a huge screen, resolution, and the SPen.
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Exactly my thoughts! Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing. I am lazy as hell.
I flashed tons of ROMs and back to stock. At least I won't be bricking my phone this way.
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To the OP: If I were you, I would get the One X or the S3, depending on the needs. Like I need the sd card and removable battery so it would rather be the S3 for me. Assuming you haven't used the note for long, both these phones must feel great to you. For almost all of us here, they are just too darn small. Once you use a note, you just get addicted to it.
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Thanks guys. Keep them coming.
I played with the Note and the HOX today and liked them both, but the huge Note battery is drawing me towards it.
I'm 6'1" and have hands like pan-shovels so the size of the Note isnt a -ve to me.
love mine too!
Yeah loving the bigger screen. I'd never go back to something smaller.
On a different note.. (haha) had mine a month and have rooted and switched the rom and Kernel.. wasn't very hard just had to get over the mind set of bricking it.
Buy one!
Note, large screen, s-pen apps (if you're inclined to use them), some good roms, ICS development with the new builds should be on their way soon
the rest? S3, rather than 1x. or at least wait till reviews come out comparing the 2.
wait
wait for Galaxy S3 - I allready have it and It's awsome!!!
RobTheRover said:
OK, its time to upgrade my trusty DHD.....
...but what gets my hard-earned (no, really) pennies?
To me there are 4 options........
1) HTC One X
2) Samsung Galaxy Note
3) Wait until the 30th and get the Samsung Galaxy SIII
4) Keep the DHD for another 12 months and benefit from a cheaper contract.
So, if it was your pennies getting spent, where would they be going?
I'm looking for views from existing SGN users here. Do you love the Note? Hate it? What do you like most about it, and what drives you potty?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Rob
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The Note is fabulous - better than the GNex I came from. Why? The screen principally - the Galaxy nexus screen just seemed so small compared!
I think the answer is this:
1. If you want the latest tech - go for the One X or the S3.
2. However, as it's so early in their life cycle you don't know what problems they will have (other than we already know the OneX has cr*p battery life) and we all know that no phone is perfect. Each phone I've had (and I've had a few) has had it's own unique issue.
3. If screen size is important, forget the other two and go for the Note. There is just simply no question of that (until Note II is announced in future!)
Maybe quad core will be a bit faster than dual core but I doubt it will make much of a difference in everyday use. In any event, I hate TW / Sense etc so always remove that bloatware and, hey presto, android flies on the Note (not that it was sluggish with TW).
And the lack of reliable ICS at the moment? In the words of Catherine Tate (look her up if you're not British!) - am I bovvered? There's such a clamour for it and, yes, it's a bit prettier and more logical in places but GB is absolutely fine for 99.98%.
Just my £0.02. Good luck with the decision.
Edit: Just seen that you're a brit - no need to look up Catherine Tate! More importantly, just realised you've got a DHD. Move on, you won't be disappointed. Sure, tech will move on over the next few monts, years etc but it always does.
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In the words of Catherine Tate (look her up if you're not British!) - am I bovvered?
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We Americans also know who Catherine Tate is, and not just because she's on our version of The Office now
Clicked as soon as you said "am I bovvered?".
Go for the Note,mate. You won't regret it
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apd said:
The Note is fabulous - better than the GNex I came from. Why? The screen principally - the Galaxy nexus screen just seemed so small compared!
I think the answer is this:
1. If you want the latest tech - go for the One X or the S3.
2. However, as it's so early in their life cycle you don't know what problems they will have (other than we already know the OneX has cr*p battery life) and we all know that no phone is perfect. Each phone I've had (and I've had a few) has had it's own unique issue.
3. If screen size is important, forget the other two and go for the Note. There is just simply no question of that (until Note II is announced in future!)
Maybe quad core will be a bit faster than dual core but I doubt it will make much of a difference in everyday use. In any event, I hate TW / Sense etc so always remove that bloatware and, hey presto, android flies on the Note (not that it was sluggish with TW).
And the lack of reliable ICS at the moment? In the words of Catherine Tate (look her up if you're not British!) - am I bovvered? There's such a clamour for it and, yes, it's a bit prettier and more logical in places but GB is absolutely fine for 99.98%.
Just my £0.02. Good luck with the decision.
Edit: Just seen that you're a brit - no need to look up Catherine Tate! More importantly, just realised you've got a DHD. Move on, you won't be disappointed. Sure, tech will move on over the next few monts, years etc but it always does.
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Thanks for that. I agree with your assessment, especially ICS which is definitely leaving me underwhelmed in terms of how "un-different" (new word!) it is to GB, especially after having used Honeycomb on my tablet for the past 6 months.
I've decided (with a feeling of I'm cheating on a loved one) to get a Note online, then I can return it under distance selling laws if I find it unbearable to live with. I suspect it wont be going back.
Genuinely, many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. Your insight has been much appreciated.
Rob
I love the large screen and battery of the Note.
The S3 is more future proof, but only because of the processors. RAM is the same.
One thing in the s3's favor is the LED notification light! w00t! I have been missing this on EVERY device that wasn't a blackberry!
The s3 also has a large battery, but .. the Note takes the cake.
The One X is out of the picture. Why? Removable battery. Also, they pushed the device so fast to get it out on the market as one of the first quadcore devices that ... well, to me it doesn't seem that attractive. The s3 on the other hand looks mighty fine!
The Note is awesome for its screen and battery size (as well as the S-Pen).
It's really your call... Sometimes I wish my note were a tiny bit smaller, but I don't regret it when I'm actually using it! hehe.
I upgraded from DHD to galaxy note and can say it was the upgrade. Absolutely amazing display over DHD, much better battery life, faster, smoother, much better camera, etc. When I look back now to already my wife's DHD, it seems to be a nice small phone ... Was able to replace most of work on my laptop with note thanks to Swype ...
I have both on stock ROM, didn't find need to go for ICS on my note. Everything is working flawlessly, maybe will change my mind half year later when there will be more positive reaction from community ... my few cents .
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One thing that's driving me mad is the sluggishness of the stock Gingerbread ROM. Is the official ICS ROM still sluggish?
If so, would rooting the phone and deleting some of the bloat help? Also, is it possible to remove Touchwiz from the official ROM? I'm a bit scared to try any other ROMs in case I brick my phone.
I've had my note since november and I love it!! The huge screen is so much fun and great to surf the web!!! It doesn't feel bigger in my pocket than my previous phone (iPhone). Even though it has a huge screen the battery life is really good (especially with my actual rom Criskelo)
I haven't tried the other phones you posted but I am still trying to understand why anyone would need a quadcore in his phone today!! I installed spy cpu on my SGN and my CPU almost never rises to 1400MHz so what could anyone do with the extra power maybe 3D games since I don't play any so can't tell about the performances but I doubt it since the note still has one of the best processors out there! The games I play are: solitaire, temple run, fruit ninja,...
joyork said:
One thing that's driving me mad is the sluggishness of the stock Gingerbread ROM. Is the official ICS ROM still sluggish?
If so, would rooting the phone and deleting some of the bloat help? Also, is it possible to remove Touchwiz from the official ROM? I'm a bit scared to try any other ROMs in case I brick my phone.
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I don't really notice the sluggishness, everything seems smooth!! The rom I am using is lighter than the stock rom so there may be a difference! If you wan't to remove Touchwiz you'd better install a new rom on your phone would be easier than to modify the stock rom! In either case you need to root your phone! At first didn't want to do it but in the end I am happy and giving some good feedback about the rom I am using! And the bricking is pretty rare!!
To install a new rom if you literally follow instructions you can't run into problems!! A bit of research and in the end it just takes 10/15min to change rom!
joyork said:
One thing that's driving me mad is the sluggishness of the stock Gingerbread ROM. Is the official ICS ROM still sluggish?
If so, would rooting the phone and deleting some of the bloat help? Also, is it possible to remove Touchwiz from the official ROM? I'm a bit scared to try any other ROMs in case I brick my phone.
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That's an easy one. Root and install one of the stock rooted GB Roms. No need to 'remove' TW. Just install another launcher (let's not start the 'which launcher is best' argument here) and then set that as default. TW will fade into the background and won't be used and your Note will be faster.
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zkyevolved said:
The s3 also has a large battery, but .. the Note takes the cake.
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Only 2100mah I think? Not that big - nearly 20% smaller than the Note.
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Hello ,
Now im thinking which phone to buy. I like Galaxy S but i read that samsung have a lot of problems(gps, lag, slow UI, Very slow when you install more programs, slow on multitasking) and etc. So is there good ROM for Galaxy S to fix it and make a galaxy as functional as htc desire ?
if you want to be able to mod your phone easy my advice is stay away from samsung, I have one and its very unfriendly
There are no true custom roms for the Galaxy S yet, there are modded roms that reqire specific base roms first.
Cyanogenmod has the Galaxy Series on it's roadmap but there is no working release yet.
HTC phones are the best if you want many options for custom roms and quick releases of future updates but overall I am pretty happy with my Galaxy S even though I do miss the options I had with my Magic in terms of roms.
Im not looking a phone to mod it, im asking are the ROMs will make galaxy much better than stock and functional like a HTC Desire ? Because its necsesary to write a rom in a galaxy S
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Im not looking a phone to mod it, im asking are the ROMs will make galaxy much better than stock and functional like a HTC Desire ? Because its necsesary to write a rom in a galaxy S
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I never had any issues with GPS on my phone, it worked fine for me driving around.
The lag is a minor annoyance at best. The new JPH Froyo build seems to be running pretty well for me so far, just installed it this morning and is solid thus far.
What??
I have purchased HTC for year and I never happy with it!
Now have a Galaxy S and it is another, better world!
For the first time, after many year with htc device, have seen my Galaxy S in top of all other device in Quadrant benchmark, 2307! From now, Samsumg rock!
I still have Eclair JM7, but it is always stable, fast UI, no problem with gps at all(as already sayd), a lot of apps installed ...all good!
The only thing, have installed clagfix.
Who had say to you that things, probably doesn't know Galaxy S
Regards
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Hello ,
Now im thinking which phone to buy. I like Galaxy S but i read that samsung have a lot of problems(gps, lag, slow UI, Very slow when you install more programs, slow on multitasking) and etc. So is there good ROM for Galaxy S to fix it and make a galaxy as functional as htc desire ?
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cyberz said:
What??
I have purchased HTC for year and I never happy with it!
Now have a Galaxy S and it is another, better world!
For the first time, after many year with htc device, have seen my Galaxy S in top of all other device in Quadrant benchmark, 2307! From now, Samsumg rock!
I still have Eclair JM7, but it is always stable, fast UI, no problem with gps at all(as already sayd), a lot of apps installed ...all good!
The only thing, have installed clagfix.
Who had say to you that things, probably doesn't know Galaxy S
Regards
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Highly doubt you got that score without One Click Lag Fix. The normal Quadrant score is around 800. If it wasn't for the people on XDA our phones won't be anywhere near as awesome as they are now !
MisterMonitor said:
Hello ,
Now im thinking which phone to buy. I like Galaxy S but i read that samsung have a lot of problems(gps, lag, slow UI, Very slow when you install more programs, slow on multitasking) and etc. So is there good ROM for Galaxy S to fix it and make a galaxy as functional as htc desire ?
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Well, if choice is between desire or galaxy s, you can choose the sgs with your eyes closed. As soon as we will have a stable froyo with voodoo kernel stable release, this phone will ROCK! I would wait new HTC models though...
On second thought, *MOVE* this ****ing thread, wrong section!
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Highly doubt you got that score without One Click Lag Fix. The normal Quadrant score is around 800. If it wasn't for the people on XDA our phones won't be anywhere near as awesome as they are now !
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He said he used CLagFix, so very possible to get 2k+ Quadrant.
As for GPS stuff, my GPS works 60% of the time, and struggles the rest, I feel like it's kind of hit and miss depending on which ROM you are using, GPS settings, possibly area you are in, etc.
Also, I absolutely love this phone(I have a captivate but w/e still a Galaxy S, and I use I9000 ROM's anyway), and find it pretty easy to mod, and it's pretty much unbrickable.
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if you want to be able to mod your phone easy my advice is stay away from samsung, I have one and its very unfriendly
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Not true really TBH. Look at how much hassle you have to go to to root a HTC Desire for example with creating a goldcard then flashing an old firmware the finally being able to root it where as the Galaxy can be done from a simple update zip.
Yes, but we cannot be sure customs roms will eventually arrive. Imho all devs will go for Desire Hd and Desire Z
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Well, if choice is between desire or galaxy s, you can choose the sgs with your eyes closed. As soon as we will have a stable froyo with voodoo kernel stable release, this phone will ROCK! I would wait new HTC models though...
On second thought, *MOVE* this ****ing thread, wrong section!
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And that will happen like in a year or so the way things move know...
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The lag is becoming less of an issue with newer ROMs but the GPS has a problem with accuracy regardless of what anyone here tells you. GPS was slow to fix in earlier firmwares but corrected in subsequent releases, this led some to claim that GPS is fixed, you'll see several comments from people waxing lyrical about getting GPS signal indoors when they couldn't before, but take it out into inner city roads when traffic is crawling a bit and it gets very confused placing you in the wrong lanes/directions etc due to poor accuracy.... basically it fails where even my old HTC magic excels, however drive on wide lane motorways and it's near flawless because accuracy isn't as critical.
Personally I'll still choose the SGS ahead of the Desire, but if you're not willing to tinker at all, then wait to see what improvements froyo delivers or choose the Desire because the JF3 firmware that ships out with most is awful, frustrating... useless!!
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Not true really TBH. Look at how much hassle you have to go to to root a HTC Desire for example with creating a goldcard then flashing an old firmware the finally being able to root it where as the Galaxy can be done from a simple update zip.
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Not true... i rooted a Desire yesterday, never done it before on a desire and took me like 5 mins haha
plug phone in PC, and run unrevoked... simple...
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Highly doubt you got that score without One Click Lag Fix. The normal Quadrant score is around 800. If it wasn't for the people on XDA our phones won't be anywhere near as awesome as they are now !
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Hi,
true, about 896. But still true which is a system partitioning bad configuration, not hardware issue
I hope Samsung fix the lag in next release!
Regards
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Not true... i rooted a Desire yesterday, never done it before on a desire and took me like 5 mins haha
plug phone in PC, and run unrevoked... simple...
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If it took you 5 mins then it's true. It probably took less than 30 secs to root my SGS.
If I knew what I know today
.... I would never have traded my Nexus One for a Galaxy S. Here's why:
Spec wise the Galaxy S is the better phone. In real world, its utterly horrible. I suspect that the phone has not problems in the hardware, but the software really kills the experience.
What's great about it:
- It has Swype keyboard, and thats really impressive. Alas, it's not something Samsung created, they just bought it.
- Great camera application with lots of functions, takes great pictures. This is in my opinion the best thing Samsung has brought to this product.
- Acceptable battery lifetime, compared to similar phones.
- Reliable bluetooth operation, this is my first Android phone that works every time and all the time in my car.
What I expected but did not get:
- A screen that performed better outdoors. I washes out completely, and is not any better than the other phones I have had. It is bigger though.
What's driving me nuts:
- Exchange sync sucks bigtime. I keep loosing all my contacts until I force sync it again. My calendar doesnt work at all. Coming from CM6 on Nexus One I'm used to everything just working.
- Lag. This is supposed to be a fast phone. It's not in any way fast doing anything at all. If I upgrade an application from the Market, I can forget about using the phone until it has finished installing. Its a snail, and I don't care if its caused by the filesystem, the kernel or just Samsungs programmers. Its totally unacceptable and shows that this phone should not have been released. (Oh yeah, I am running lagfix, that doesnt really help, it just pushes the problem a bit ahead in time)
What Samsung couldn't bother to implement:
- Working GPS. My Nexus One and HTC Magic has far better GPS precision (and I'm not talking about fix time, which is also horrible on the Samsung). I'm glad I'm not using it for navigation.
- Stereo FM. Come on Samsung, this is 2010. I'm not using it, but why include it half heartedly?
What Samsung found more fun to do instead:
- Selection of three custom fonts, of which two are too ugly to use. Seriously?
- Widget that shows how many applications are running. Who cares about that, isn't Android supposed to end all this focusing on what is running and what is not ....
- Four different phones released that are basically the same. "The GPS isn't working. Should we fix it? Nah, lets make a phone version with four software buttons instead."
I'm about to give up on this thing. I upgraded my HTC Magic to CM6 the other day, and it seems to be running circles around my Galaxy S.
My only problem if I'm giving up on this phone, is what to get instead. Maybe the HTC Desire HD, but again it's basically the same as my Nexus One with just a bigger screen.
So im getting the Note in the UK as an upgrade from my slowly degrading HD2 which was a brilliant phone, but i took out the contract after looking at general reviews and it looks like the phone for me, but what kind of mods are there for it? not really roms per say but things i can add to it? and how have other people found the phone to live with? cheers Ray
Its a huge phone definitely going to take a little getting used to coming from the HD2 (which may I add is one of my favourite phones of all time). There are lots of custom roms available ranging from Samsung stock style to aosp/aokp, as well as themes, ported Galaxy S3 mods/features etc. I run a stock style rom and love it, its fast and sturdy with a beautiful HD screen, its hard not to be impressed even after having it a month already!
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So im getting the Note in the UK as an upgrade from my slowly degrading HD2 which was a brilliant phone, but i took out the contract after looking at general reviews and it looks like the phone for me, but what kind of mods are there for it? not really roms per say but things i can add to it? and how have other people found the phone to live with? cheers Ray
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Hd2...The true legendary smartphone all the time....please keep it even you upgrade to note like me. Another few months hd2 flasher will have the chance to taste window 8....
Anyway, note is the great option if you looking for bigger screen. But at the moment the development for note temporary slowing down because of the brick bug occured after ics released. But still hv few custom rom and cm9 available and consistently keep update weekly.
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Hey guys, just looking for you opinion on what I should expect when switching from Galaxy Nexus to a Galaxy Note (N700) in terms of performance.
I mostly use the browser so I am most concerned with the browser performance. I have played a bit with one and could clearly see differences in performance compared to the buttery-smooth Galaxy Nexus. I think I could live with these minor shortcomings though, when I've got that HUGE screen. I also think I'd be better off with a bigger screen when I'm typing, because I type a lot, either in the browser or IM'ing with people. This is the main reason I want the Note.
Basically I want to know what you guys miss from your old phone, before the Note.
I've been toying with the idea of getting a Nexus just for the ability to switch between Tmobile and Att. What's stopping me is that I tried a S3 for a month but I kept coming back to the Note. The BIG SCREEN is really nice.
So far I have not found a JB rom for the Note that I like. They all seem so laggy compared to a CM9 rom with Apex and some minor UI tweeaks. Even stock TW roms that people swear a butter smooth seem laggy to me, ok not going between desktop screens but it is slow. If I were in your shoes, I would buy a used Note and give it a go but not be so quick to sell the Nexus.
The really big difference I can think of, switching from Gnex to Gnote is the very fast update that Google makes on the Gnex itself... When Google say that Gnex is their brand of phone to get the latest JB updates.. they really mean it to a tee. You get the best of both worlds that Google can deliver to your phone no question about that.
The only thing that's holding me from selling my Gnote and switching back to Gnex was and is still the fact on the WOW Factor that our phone makes to a lot of people. Whenever I stroll down Portsmouth to bars or drinking with my buddies.. it never fails to amaze me a stranger would right off comment and say.. " hey you got a nice phone there bud!".. I just smirked and smiled back at them.
I feel wait for note 2 bf4 taking any decision
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The only thing that's holding me from selling my Gnote and switching back to Gnex was and is still the fact on the WOW Factor that our phone makes to a lot of people. Whenever I stroll down Portsmouth to bars or drinking with my buddies.. it never fails to amaze me a stranger would right off comment and say.. " hey you got a nice phone there bud!".. I just smirked and smiled back at them.
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And when there's noone around to WOW, I just pull it out of my jeans and WOW myself. Never fails.
Man, that screen............
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And when there's noone around to WOW, I just pull it out of my jeans and WOW myself. Never fails.
Man, that screen............
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lol.... ,
I can understand if a chick comes up to you and says.. hey.. you got a nice bulge on your pants, you bring out the phone and the chick says... Oh. I thought it's something else!
what a bummer!
anyway goin back, yeah the Note still a spectacle to have with.. I mean, it got a nice big screen, faster GPS and I can truly say, I had scribbled my signature once on an online cheque copy and sent it via email... how cool is that..,
Yeah, I'm definitely convinced now that I want it. And I'm ready to say (temporarily) good bye to Jelly Bean We are pretty sure that the Note 1 will be updated to Jelly Bean, right?
Given the scenario...yeah... But my constant rule is.. Never expect anything...if JB comes before this year ends then great! If doesn't, then that's good. At least there's something we can look forward to for early next year perhaps.
"Hope for the best, expect for the worst"
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Yeah, I'm definitely convinced now that I want it. And I'm ready to say (temporarily) good bye to Jelly Bean We are pretty sure that the Note 1 will be updated to Jelly Bean, right?
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Honestly, even if Jelly Bean does not trickle down to Note 1, I'm not bothered. Currently on Rocket ROM, previously used JellyCore v2 and I don't see any features that can sway me over. Even the "huge" upgrade from Gingerbread to ICS was a minor boost to me - only because of the feature to use voice-typing keyboard. I don't really see per-app notification settings or widgets that arrange automatically or Google Now or anything else particularly necessary. OK, "but what about project butter?!" some will say. I will say that on my 4.0.4 Note I don't feel sluggishness to make me want any speed improvements. And no, it's not a Note with the default apps that come with it - it's crammed with apps and I am a very heavy user.
Only gap-less audio playback and offline dictation might sway me over but definitely not a necessity.
I plan to use it with the stock ROM so Project Butter would probably make a lot of difference.
A friend of mine gives me the possibility to trade my galaxy nexus for his galaly note, I like the display and the s pen but I would lost the "nexus" support...I can't decide,what would you do?
p.s. with the galaxy nexus i can get 3h 30min of screen on,what about note?
@BurningKoala I had GNexus for some time (app developing) and it's a great phone, but I'm glad I chose the Note over it.
Disadvantages are SO & Hardware optimization (Note's fast and reliable but nothing rivals Nexus) and, maybe, size. If you are considering the Note, size might not be a problem to you. The huge screen is also it's main advantage; for navigation or reading it's just a BIG jump. I really enjoy it. There's a reason why new phones are getting near the Note's screen size...
About battery, it's not as good as the Note II but comparable to that of the GNexus. You'll get trough the day with a lot of use without problems.
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A friend of mine gives me the possibility to trade my galaxy nexus for his galaly note, I like the display and the s pen but I would lost the "nexus" support...I can't decide,what would you do?
p.s. with the galaxy nexus i can get 3h 30min of screen on,what about note?
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You will feel the difference in smoothness if you intend to keep it stock. But coming from a nexus i don't think you will have any problems with CM or AOSP roms, wich are much faster than Samsung Touchwiz.
Go for it and do the trade
You won't regret it
Stay with the Nexus - the support from Samsung on the Note is terrible. The recent Jelly Bean update to the Note is a disaster, it is VERY slow. Laggy everywhere, ugly, unintuitive compared to AOSP.
Want to use the S-pen? Use the S-Note app which lags like hell. When you draw with it then it jumps, also the s-pen is not calibrated properly (you can get a payed app to calibrate it properly)
Want to phone someone? Press the phone icon on your launcher, wait 5s, then get a laggy animation and then wait another 5s for the phone to load.
Want to perform a factory reset on ICS? Do so and after that you will brick your phone. If you flash a kernel then there is a possibility you will loose your guarantee.
Want to get TW 4.2.2? Forget about it, it won't happen.
Want AOSP on it? Sure we have it. Some very good ROM's... it's a shame that Samsung hasn't released the exynos source code EVEN THOUGH they said they would by the end of of 2012. This means many developers are leaving the exynos based devices and we won't get as much support on new android versions. Also we have a broken hwcomposer meaning it has not got projet butter. And you can certainly see this.
Want to watch a movie on your phone? Great! watch how all yopur greys are replaced with pitch black, imagine what a horror movie looks like on our screen now. That is what the balck clipping/black crush issue is with it.
Anything good about the phone? Well... It has a nice screen size, that's it in my eyes.
XxPixX said:
Stay with the Nexus - the support from Samsung on the Note is terrible. The recent Jelly Bean update to the Note is a disaster, it is VERY slow. Laggy everywhere, ugly, unintuitive compared to AOSP.
Want to use the S-pen? Use the S-Note app which lags like hell. When you draw with it then it jumps, also the s-pen is not calibrated properly (you can get a payed app to calibrate it properly)
Want to phone someone? Press the phone icon on your launcher, wait 5s, then get a laggy animation and then wait another 5s for the phone to load.
Want to perform a factory reset on ICS? Do so and after that you will brick your phone. If you flash a kernel then there is a possibility you will loose your guarantee.
Want to get TW 4.2.2? Forget about it, it won't happen.
Want AOSP on it? Sure we have it. Some very good ROM's... it's a shame that Samsung hasn't released the exynos source code EVEN THOUGH they said they would by the end of of 2012. This means many developers are leaving the exynos based devices and we won't get as much support on new android versions. Also we have a broken hwcomposer meaning it has not got projet butter. And you can certainly see this.
Want to watch a movie on your phone? Great! watch how all yopur greys are replaced with pitch black, imagine what a horror movie looks like on our screen now. That is what the balck clipping/black crush issue is with it.
Anything good about the phone? Well... It has a nice screen size, that's it in my eyes.
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Wow... seems like we have two completely different phones.
I can't agree with 80% of what you say. Sadly the emmc brick bug is there, and there will never be enough soft&hw support from Samsung to get us all pleased, but hey...
- JB runs GREAT on this phone, the failure is the update process which ruins everything. Do a clean one and is as fast and estable as it should.
- No lag in phone app. 1 or 2 secs, maybe? Surely NOT 5 seconds. Again: JB clean installation?
- Not liking S-Note? Well, S-pen utility sure doesn't end there. Have 5 drawing apps which I just can't imagine myself using them without the S-Pen (calibrated, by the way, with simple rooting and easy tweaking).
- Black clipping problem, just for your information, is also present in the GNexus as it is in every pentile HD amoled screen. Maybe not as hard, but it is there. Check it for yourself.
- Assuming you want to live flashing new roms, you might get affected by the unreleasing of exynos source code. I never got affected by it, most surely will never be.
- And then, there comes the big screen: Gaming, browsing, typing, reading, showing pictures, watching videos... it is like half a tablet in your everyday life, which in terms of use to me changes EVERYTHING.
Don't get me wrong, you have all the right to be unhappy with any device in the world, but those words seemed like facts when they are not really that objective. As you can see, I didn't say Note was better than GNexus: I just offered my perspective, which is a really pleasant one.
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Drummyman said:
- JB runs GREAT on this phone, the failure is the update process which ruins everything. Do a clean one and is as fast and estable as it should.
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Trust me, I wouldn't be too surprised if I has flashed over 300 times on my phone. Maybe even 500. I know how to perform a full wipe and proper install, also I NEVER have a bloated device. i try to keep as little apps as possible (usually about 15 user apps, nearly all from google). What did I realise after about 3 days of use? The phone got very slow and laggy. Not even restarts helped.
Drummyman said:
- No lag in phone app. 1 or 2 secs, maybe? Surely NOT 5 seconds. Again: JB clean installation?
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Clear the phone out of the memory, then you will see how slow it is. With me it is usually not in memory because I don't use it that much.
Certainly 5s after a clean install, add another 5s after you have installed a couple of apps.
Drummyman said:
- Not liking S-Note? Well, S-pen utility sure doesn't end there. Have 5 drawing apps which I just can't imagine myself using them without the S-Pen (calibrated, by the way, with simple rooting and easy tweaking).
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Although rooting is very easy on this phone, we should have had an already calibrated S-pen. As for alternative apps then yes, they do work. My favourite is Papyrus. However the samsung apps are real memory and CPU hoggers. When I was making my own ROM (Bare Bean) then the S-apps probably took up at least 150Mb... and I ask, on what? Alternative apps from google play take up 10x less space offering better functionality and speed.
Drummyman said:
- Assuming you want to live flashing new roms, you might get affected by the unreleasing of exynos source code. I never got affected by it, most surely will never be.
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You will be affected by it in a short while, once you say "hey, I want that feature of Android in Jelly Bean 4.3"
Drummyman said:
- And then, there comes the big screen: Gaming, browsing, typing, reading, showing pictures, watching videos... it is like half a tablet in your everyday life, which in terms of use to me changes EVERYTHING.
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Yes, the screen is nice. I must admit that... however that is one of the few things Samsung couldn't break after time with software updates.
I don't know, so many flashing overwhelms me. But I'm in Philz rooted stock spanish 4.1.2 LSZ, without removing any bloatware or anything touched (only rooted to calibrate s-pen and opened multiwindow to any app) and I can assure you my Note goes fluid, with no battery drains and there's no 5 second lag ANYWHERE. No restarting needed.
Sometimes, I get the feeling that removing too many - apparently harmless - stock rom apps and system files, causes unknown side effects. I really encourage rom developers, though - and I will not be praising Samsung work - BUT there's a lot of testing involved in stock roms that always make me more confident about them. In every phone I had, maximum estability and less problems have always been stock roms. Only talking about my own experience.
Good thing about Nexuses: Stock roms are always clean android, directly from OS developer.
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XxPixX said:
Trust me, I wouldn't be too surprised if I has flashed over 300 times on my phone. Maybe even 500. I know how to perform a full wipe and proper install, also I NEVER have a bloated device. i try to keep as little apps as possible (usually about 15 user apps, nearly all from google). What did I realise after about 3 days of use? The phone got very slow and laggy. Not even restarts helped.
Clear the phone out of the memory, then you will see how slow it is. With me it is usually not in memory because I don't use it that much.
Certainly 5s after a clean install, add another 5s after you have installed a couple of apps.
Although rooting is very easy on this phone, we should have had an already calibrated S-pen. As for alternative apps then yes, they do work. My favourite is Papyrus. However the samsung apps are real memory and CPU hoggers. When I was making my own ROM (Bare Bean) then the S-apps probably took up at least 150Mb... and I ask, on what? Alternative apps from google play take up 10x less space offering better functionality and speed.
You will be affected by it in a short while, once you say "hey, I want that feature of Android in Jelly Bean 4.3"
Yes, the screen is nice. I must admit that... however that is one of the few things Samsung couldn't break after time with software updates.
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You should change YOUR Galaxy Note with his Nexus then
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Sorry if threads like this are not allowed or if I'm posting in the wrong section...
I need some opinions here. I am coming from a Galaxy Wonder and I would like an upgrade. Have currently earmarked this device on top of my wishlist. I would like to know if this phone's tech is able to last around 2-3 years.
I'm particularly concerned about the 1 GB RAM this phone has. Is 1 GB enough?
Thanks in advance guys.
darthbii said:
Sorry if threads like this are not allowed or if I'm posting in the wrong section...
I need some opinions here. I am coming from a Galaxy Wonder and I would like an upgrade. Have currently earmarked this device on top of my wishlist. I would like to know if this phone's tech is able to last around 2-3 years.
I'm particularly concerned about the 1 GB RAM this phone has. Is 1 GB enough?
Thanks in advance guys.
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1GB is more than enough in most phones, I've never had RAM management problems with this one.
However, my answer is a big NO.
Let me elaborate;
>Battery life
With proper greenifying, wakelock detecting, and no more than 2% per 12h of battery discharge, it has a decent battery life, but it seems the screen and the tegra 3 chip draw a lot of power from it. An extended battery does fix that though, but don't expect more than 3h of screentime on a normal usage day and 60-70% brightness, on a normal battery.
>Stock ROM
Looks great, feels great, kernel is easily updated (if you got the bootloader unlocked, flash another one), and then works great too. This phone, in my opinion is meant to be the LG Optimus G's younger brother. I've tried a lot of custom roms, but stock is the one that takes it away from me, after properly kdz flashed (without the bloat apps and stuff).
>Heating issues
10 mins of playing, well, pretty much anything that's 3D makes the phone really hot, no thermal throttling though, but don't expect this phone to last if you play an hour of gaming or more. Even Subway Surf kills the battery.
>Tegra 3 incompatibility/unoptimized apps
Most games are made with Adreno in mind, needless to say, Adreno is not better than the T3, just has more optimizations done for it. Also some apps aren't available via the Play Store on this phone, but that can vary depending on your region.
In my opinion, I'd always go with an SGS3, even with stock touch wiz and bloat, because
a) it gets proper software updates, unlike LG and all of their devices, not just the 4X HD.
b) better modding support/community
c) apparently heats up a lot less and lasts a lot more, that also means given its support there's bound to be more extended batteries, cases, stands, cradles, docks, and equipment for it.
The only thing the 4X HD has going for it is the price, I've paid 180e for it, and it was a huge step up from an even worse phone than yours (Samsung Galaxy Mini, s5570), but so far, I'm not a happy camper.
And the screen has a dead pixel on it, which irks me a lot.
Oh and apparently someone took the KDZ repository on that one site down. Dunno what the deal with that is too.
darthbii said:
Sorry if threads like this are not allowed or if I'm posting in the wrong section...
I need some opinions here. I am coming from a Galaxy Wonder and I would like an upgrade. Have currently earmarked this device on top of my wishlist. I would like to know if this phone's tech is able to last around 2-3 years.
I'm particularly concerned about the 1 GB RAM this phone has. Is 1 GB enough?
Thanks in advance guys.
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i would buy it, since it has good specs, and with custom roms you will have support for quite some time in future, i hope
1 GB of ram for me is enough, i don't play games on it, and after greenify hibernates apps, i got around 400 - 450 mb free, rom is latest vanir rom 4.3.1. dated 26.10.2013., and i am also using killjoy script
phone works really good, only little problem is with baseband_xmm_power wakelock, but devs are working on that and slow but surely this problem is getting reduced
camera is good for taking pictures, at least for me
i would only like that lock key is on the right side, current position is little awkward, but you get used to it
that's it from me
Thanks for the replies guys.
Hmm.... really now debating which to get 4X HD or S3 really a tough decision. I would want the 4X HD as I'm just a little bored of Samsung, but the S3 looks like will get better dev support. Its hard.
More replies please.
Its showing its age, esp since its an lg device. Wait for nexus 5?
Flying_Bear said:
Its showing its age, esp since its an lg device. Wait for nexus 5?
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Would love to have one, but they're pretty expensive for me.
After some 'extensive' research, I have finally found the Xperia ZR. Maybe I might get it once the price drops (next year perhaps). Had earlier found the Optimus G to my liking, but I just dislike the glass back and front . Well, both have CM support which is a good thing for me
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Do not buy this phone. I repeat DO NOT!
Battery life sucks, and it gets hot. It is a fricking smart frying pan. Seriously you can cook an egg on it. And it lags oh boy it lags like hell.
A good phone shouldn't need this much optimization to work better. I tried every CM, kernel etc but either you get good battery life and ****ty gaming performance or you get good performance and horrible battery life (like 2-3 hours max).
Get Optimus G or S3 but don't get this.
darthbii said:
Sorry if threads like this are not allowed or if I'm posting in the wrong section...
I need some opinions here. I am coming from a Galaxy Wonder and I would like an upgrade. Have currently earmarked this device on top of my wishlist. I would like to know if this phone's tech is able to last around 2-3 years.
I'm particularly concerned about the 1 GB RAM this phone has. Is 1 GB enough?
Thanks in advance guys.
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If you can get it for a good price and are willing to root and customize it, it's probably the best bang for a buck you can get at the moment.
The IPS screen is simply gorgeous. It's even more pleasing to the eye than my HTC One LCD screen if you ask me my honest opinion. Yes, it tends to drain the battery heavily, but with the right configuration you can get over 3 and even 4 hours of screen time easily. Oh, and I can't seem to get any scratches on it. Impressive since I don't use a case or any kind of screen protection and carry it around in my pocket all day. Only downside: fingerprints!
I like it's design and build quality. Even though it's all plastic, it neither feels nor looks (too) cheap. More important: all the buttons are in the right place for me. The ridged back provides some extra grip and looks quite OK (from a distance ) and so does the fake metal finish on the sides. It has to be the best fake metal in the business because it's still intact after dropping on my bathroom floor twice.
My biggest issue with this phone (besides being ignored by LG) has to be the sound quality. The silly speaker on the back is nearly useless when the phone is laying down. Picking it up doesn't improve anything.
I can't really comment on this phone's gaming capabilities. I don't really use my phone for that, sorry.
The only alternative I would consider in your position would be the Nexus 4. You should be able to pick it up for a fair price once Google releases the Nexus 5.
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Tough call
darthbii said:
Thanks for the replies guys.
Hmm.... really now debating which to get 4X HD or S3 really a tough decision. I would want the 4X HD as I'm just a little bored of Samsung, but the S3 looks like will get better dev support. Its hard.
More replies please.
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The main reason I went for this device was due to price. If price wouldn't matter, then the Galaxy S3 is a better device IMHO. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my device, but since I am using custom ROM's to have JB 4.2.2 there are some things you need to accept if you use custom ROM's (LG has not had the decency to release a JB 4.2.2 ROM
1- Camera: 3rd party cameras using flash and auto focus have issues on custom ROM's not based on stock.
2- BT can be temperamental if you are on custom ROM's
3- The f****** wakelocks that just came out of nowhere on my device are driving me nuts and killing my battery
4- Gaming is a mixed bag depending on the game.
5- External storage can be problematic if for example you are on a custom ROM and try to sync 2000+ songs (17GB's) with Media Monkey.
6- Audio: This really pisses me off... I listen A LOT to music on my devices, and I use different types of good headphones like AKG 450's or some Senheissers PX-200's and the audio chipset on this thing is pathetic, read the review about it on PhonesArena. Even more frustrating is the fact that with the AKG 450's, every time I connect the headphones, the line gets a permanent noise that was not there before. I tested the headphones extensively to make sure they were no broken, and they are fine on all other type of devices except my P880.
On a positive side, it is smooth on most of the ROM's I tried, I like how it looks, it's quite sturdy, GPS works like a charm (after a few tweaks of course); the speaker is ok, the camera when it works is ok; the community is good; the specs are good; All the good ROM's and stuff is relatively recent since it took a while for the bootloader to unlocked and not that many devs were on board. It looks way better than the SGS3 which BTW also have a TON of issues, which is why I went for the P880. Overall, the issues I listed will be sorted by the great devs that have this device, but LG is not doing itself any favours by not releasing updates more often.
So, yes, I do love it, but I will definitely update in less than 2 years to another device. No more LG for me, thank you very much until they learn to support their devices or I would just get a Nexus device.
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frankie_p said:
The main reason I went for this device was due to price. If price wouldn't matter, then the Galaxy S3 is a better device IMHO. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my device, but since I am using custom ROM's to have JB 4.2.2 there are some things you need to accept if you use custom ROM's (LG has not had the decency to release a JB 4.2.2 ROM
1- Camera: 3rd party cameras using flash and auto focus have issues on custom ROM's not based on stock.
2- BT can be temperamental if you are on custom ROM's
3- The f****** wakelocks that just came out of nowhere on my device are driving me nuts and killing my battery
4- Gaming is a mixed bag depending on the game.
5- External storage can be problematic if for example you are on a custom ROM and try to sync 2000+ songs (17GB's) with Media Monkey.
6- Audio: This really pisses me off... I listen A LOT to music on my devices, and I use different types of good headphones like AKG 450's or some Senheissers PX-200's and the audio chipset on this thing is pathetic, read the review about it on PhonesArena. Even more frustrating is the fact that with the AKG 450's, every time I connect the headphones, the line gets a permanent noise that was not there before. I tested the headphones extensively to make sure they were no broken, and they are fine on all other type of devices except my P880.
On a positive side, it is smooth on most of the ROM's I tried, I like how it looks, it's quite sturdy, GPS works like a charm (after a few tweaks of course); the speaker is ok, the camera when it works is ok; the community is good; the specs are good; All the good ROM's and stuff is relatively recent since it took a while for the bootloader to unlocked and not that many devs were on board. It looks way better than the SGS3 which BTW also have a TON of issues, which is why I went for the P880. Overall, the issues I listed will be sorted by the great devs that have this device, but LG is not doing itself any favours by not releasing updates more often.
So, yes, I do love it, but I will definitely update in less than 2 years to another device. No more LG for me, thank you very much until they learn to support their devices or I would just get a Nexus device.
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If you don't mind me asking what GPS tweaks have you done?
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Sorry about the double post the xda app isn't playing well with my phone
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Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1325033
I got this link from this discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886999
I suggest you read all of the posts, make a nandroid backup and test. The one I ended installing was the agps.patch.google.build.nossl.v3.1 as suggested in the tread, and it did improve the GPS performance of my device.
frankie_p said:
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1325033
I got this link from this discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886999
I suggest you read all of the posts, make a nandroid backup and test. The one I ended installing was the agps.patch.google.build.nossl.v3.1 as suggested in the tread, and it did improve the GPS performance of my device.
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Oh I already did this a while back and now use topNTP from the play store to install it lol. I asked because even with thid I can only get about 4-6 satellites in about 15 mins
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frankie_p said:
The main reason I went for this device was due to price. If price wouldn't matter, then the Galaxy S3 is a better device IMHO. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my device, but since I am using custom ROM's to have JB 4.2.2 there are some things you need to accept if you use custom ROM's (LG has not had the decency to release a JB 4.2.2 ROM
1- Camera: 3rd party cameras using flash and auto focus have issues on custom ROM's not based on stock.
2- BT can be temperamental if you are on custom ROM's
3- The f****** wakelocks that just came out of nowhere on my device are driving me nuts and killing my battery
4- Gaming is a mixed bag depending on the game.
5- External storage can be problematic if for example you are on a custom ROM and try to sync 2000+ songs (17GB's) with Media Monkey.
6- Audio: This really pisses me off... I listen A LOT to music on my devices, and I use different types of good headphones like AKG 450's or some Senheissers PX-200's and the audio chipset on this thing is pathetic, read the review about it on PhonesArena. Even more frustrating is the fact that with the AKG 450's, every time I connect the headphones, the line gets a permanent noise that was not there before. I tested the headphones extensively to make sure they were no broken, and they are fine on all other type of devices except my P880.
On a positive side, it is smooth on most of the ROM's I tried, I like how it looks, it's quite sturdy, GPS works like a charm (after a few tweaks of course); the speaker is ok, the camera when it works is ok; the community is good; the specs are good; All the good ROM's and stuff is relatively recent since it took a while for the bootloader to unlocked and not that many devs were on board. It looks way better than the SGS3 which BTW also have a TON of issues, which is why I went for the P880. Overall, the issues I listed will be sorted by the great devs that have this device, but LG is not doing itself any favours by not releasing updates more often.
So, yes, I do love it, but I will definitely update in less than 2 years to another device. No more LG for me, thank you very much until they learn to support their devices or I would just get a Nexus device.
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lol this is disaster mine is just fine. the real disadvantage of this phone is only the low bitrate and framerate of the camera , but thats just how the lg made it. we cant change the hardware. besides that my phone works fine
So you are saying that:
- 3rd party cameras with autofocus and flash are working fine using a custom ROM as in CM based ROM? Which one please? so I can try it.
- No wakelocks at all? What kernel are you using and how do you use your phone? Gaming?, Internet (WIFI/3G) on all the time? FB/Tweeter/G+ on with auto updates all the time?
- Connecting to a car's BT to stream music works ALL the time?
- You can syncronize more than 10GB's in one go to the external microSD with no issues ALL the time?
You must be using either a stock ROM or one based on a stock ROM.
I also am thinking about buying this phone...
I own a Desire HD and i think that it would be a huge upgrade anyways.
The battery is not a problem i think:
1)U can root and install custom roms and it would be better as almost every phone
2)It's removable so you can always get a extended one
What i would like to ask you and have your opinion guys is it would be a bit wiser to get the L9 II instead of this one
N4R4Y4N said:
I also am thinking about buying this phone...
I own a Desire HD and i think that it would be a huge upgrade anyways.
The battery is not a problem i think:
1)U can root and install custom roms and it would be better as almost every phone
2)It's removable so you can always get a extended one
What i would like to ask you and have your opinion guys is it would be a bit wiser to get the L9 II instead of this one
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this forum is for optimux 4x so i can only say about that one. the camera is bad. the bitrate and fps are low. so have in mind that and choose. about other phones u can check them in their forum. the reason is... because we dont own them all xD