I've attached a screenshot of a page from the nexus 7 guide stating that the nexus 7 is the Asus pad me370t. So, what do you guys make of this?
The Verge actually investigated this quite a bit:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
Wow, I am very very shocked and disappointed this. I've been looking forward to the actual MeMO 370T device since it was first seen back in January. For some reason I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
>I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
A great deal of fuss was made over Microsoft Surface "killing" Windows HW vendors, and curiously, almost nothing about the Nexus 7 doing the same. The irony is that Surface will have minimal impact, while N7 will almost certainly kill off any 7" Android tab this year.
Not only does N7 hit the magic $200 point, it has good hardware, official support, and 4.1. There is no way any 7" tab can match that. The only possible competitor would be if Apple does the rumored 7" mini iPad at $250-300.
I'm wondering what Amazon's move will be, as per the above I don't see how a 7" KF2 can compete. My projection is that it will cede the 7" space, and upping the KF2 to the 8" or 9" size, say, for $250. The orig KF stays on, but lowered to $150.
7" is good for reading, but poor for video playback. Since video consumption is vastly more popular than e-reading, an 8" or 9" would be a step forward. It would be better for video, and still be suitable for one-hand use.
Ditto for Nook, although if MS' investment in B&N is any indication, we'll probably see a Nook powered by WinRT this year.
I thought I had read reports of Asus releasing their own 7 inch tablet in August that undercut the 8GB N7 by about $20. Still, this isn't really what I was hoping for if it comes to be.
It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
gkpm said:
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
Well I'm sure the HDMI out being removed had a lot more to do with the Q
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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I'm not saying it's a solution, I'm explaining why they left out the mini HDMI port.
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It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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Well not exactly almost like the MeMO. I believe it also had an 8MP rear facing camera. Probably had a MicroSD slot, too, but I'm not positive on that. At any rate, I'd gladly throw in an extra $50 or so for the original MeMO 370T. I probably won't be buying the N7.
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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You pay for a HDMI license which is $10k per annum, which it's fairly likely both Google (via Motorola) and ASUS already have anyway. Each HDMI port has a royalty as well, which is 4 cents. Plus the cost of the connector itself. The HDCP license is half a cent per device.
The rest of the existing components should be able to handle HDMI anyway, Tegra 3 has it as a standard.
Can't help but be negative about this. It's not just the $250 memo, but the $250 memo--.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27733-nexus-7-is-crippled-asus-370t-but-not-much-cheaper
The story, if I put 2+2 correctly, is that google really wanted that $199 pricetag, in effect forcing asus to redesign a bunch of stuff with lower-end components. In the end, they couldn't (or wouldn't) even get back to something as good as the original for $250.
Like what was stated in a comment on the site, just because they planned to release the memo with all those extras for $249 doesn't mean that would be the ultimate price. I paid 280 or whatever for the 16 gb model and I wish it had an sd, hdmi, and stereo but still an amazing deal for 250 (16gb). Plus would it be first with jb? Software more than anything makes these devices.
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Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
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Google are making no profit (on the 8GB model at US prices) but that doesn't mean it's being sold at cost.
ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179? If that's true, I wonder what hardware reductions are even possible to make?
Also, if a new Asus tablet was to be released in August, we'd probably be seeing an FCC submission sometime soon, right?
well that is disappointing..seems like google killed another decent asus product, since the original memo 370t was gonna have 8mega pixel cam, 16gb storage micro sd slot and everything nexus tab has for 250..
>ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
Monetary compensation is a subset. The human networking alone would be valuable, not to mention the experience gained from working hand-in-hand with Google engineers. One thing that's lacking for all HW vendors is development expertise, and I assume Asus is getting plenty of that. Then, there's the PR value of being a Google partner. So, many perks aside from money.
A large cost of a device is for marketing (distribution, promotion). Aside from a few small retailers, N7 distribution looks to be limited to the Play store for now, and there probably won't be much advertising until close to fall shopping. So, yes, I imagine the N7's $200 price can be pretty close to cost. We'll have a better idea once the iSuppli folks do a BOM analysis.
Compare against upcoming Acer A110: Same $200 (8GB) and Kai innards, but smaller battery (3420 vs 4325 mAh), lower res (1024x600) and lower quality (TN LCD) display. ICS rather than JB, and no Google updates. It's clearly an inferior device to the N7. I doubt Asus can sell a better tablet than Acer at the same cost w/o slicing its margin to the bone.
It's not just the low-end, N7 dominates the mid-range and high-end for 7" as well. There is no current or announced 7"-ish tablet that can compete with N7 on either features or bang/buck. It's the only tablet to have 4.1. The only place it doesn't go is the carrier market.
From the above, I don't see a 10" Nexus happening. That would kill off the rest of the Android vendors.
>So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
It doesn't matter who's selling the N7 or what its origins are. What matters is whether other vendors can compete against it. I don't think they can, including Amazon. As said, I think Amazon will go with an 8 or 9" for $250, and drop the KF to $150.
A 9" KF2 at $250, or an iPad mini at $300, would be serious competition for N7.
>Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179?
DigiTimes says a lot of things, a few of which become true, and the rest goes into the circular file. For a workable rule of which DigiTimes rumor becomes fact, try this: Assign a 3% cumulative probability for each successive rumor. So, if DigiTimes has 20 different rumors over time about an particular event, you get a 60% probability of the event becoming true.
The "cheaper Asus 7-inch tablet" rumor is the first one out of the pipe.
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Now with CES behind us but with thoughts of all those new tablets still fresh in our heads, anyone still think a rooted Nookcolor will be able to hold it's own against the tide that's coming.
Anyone with a rooted Nookcolor-will you still buy a tablet this year and if so which one, or will the Nookcolor still do.
I think the price point of the Nookcolor is it's greatest strength now.
I agree for $250, the NC can't be beat. Honeycomb on NC
I do plan on getting a new tab, maybe one of 10.1" running Honeycomb but don't know which one yet.
My opinion is...
The Nook is a book reading device first. Its a make shift tablet second.
It is not really fair to compare it to tablets that are designed to be tablets.
With that said, the newest thing is always around the corner. What is NOT around the corner is the hundreds more dollars for me to spend that these new devices cost as compared to the Nook.
Once the Nook gets a stable and functional Froyo, it will put it a very good advantage for at least the next year with app support.
It will take some time for Tegra2 to build up steam and drop in price. Meanwhile you have all of these older devices/tablets/cellphones still running older systems.
Just because 3.0 is coming up does not mean that all support will stop for the older devices. Developers would be foolish to stop supporting the older builds.
So, the answer for me is YES, the Nook is a great buy at this moment in time.
I have to agree with the price point being the NC's largest draw and strength. For $250 you can't get a better piece of hardware. Once we can get honeycomb (and by we I mean you people smarter than myself) on the NC we'll be flying high.
From what I have read, which may be BS, honeycomb will require dual processors to function properly, so I doubt nook color can handle it.
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There's always something "better" available "real soon now". I'd have to check, but none of the CES announcements included either a price for the device or a release date. Heck, the Adam took almost a year from CES to release, and even then it had a very limited release and still hasn't shipped. But you can go over to B&N and pick up a NC right now.
There is no minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb.
http://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
Oh, and if you don't know who Dan Morrill is...
http://www.google.com/profiles/morrildl
I just picked up a Nook Color for $180 from CL...but even at full price I didn't see anything that blew me away from CES. Sure the newer tablets will have better CPUs etc. but I doubt they will have the Screen quality of the NC at this price-point. For me what sold me on the NC is the ability to Root it, make it a very functional tablet (even if so claim its a book reader first, I think it makes an amazing tablet). I am one of the few that do not need a webcam etc. And let's not forget the amazing Screen quality!
CES Shows some really awesome looking devices but the market at the moment is pricing everything retardedly high. For the moment the $250 NC is the best bang for the buck for a simple Tablet. And I do fully expect to see a Honeycomb port in due time.
Untill the market gets saturated with actually good devices around the $300 price point and not the $499 point, (Especially the 3G only devices?! Not everyone wants or needs 3G!).
From my viewpoint:
The OS is sometimes the most expensive part of buying a PC/tablet. I would expect with the fact that Android is open, costs for these devices would be driven down significantly. However, the new crop of Android tablets are up there with Win OS tablets (almost), yet don't have a full featured OS.
I agree with spikey911 that this is an ereader first, Android tablet second. To me, having it run android apps is a benefit, not the primary reason I got it.
I would love a dual core or a Tegra 2 tablet. Would I pay more than $300 for one? Absolutely not. By the time that comes down in price, the next crop of the "greatest" comes out.
The only way I would upgrade to different tablet is if/when the Lenovo LePad/U1 comes down in price. Then I could chuck the NC and my Core 2 duo netbook.
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From my viewpoint:
The OS is sometimes the most expensive part of buying a PC/tablet.
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That's the same thing i thought, but then how to you explain the galaxy tab? 600 bucks for what? Where they price gouging? I picked the nook color because the ability to root and the build quality was outstanding. Closest to that of the iPad. With the new crop of devices coming they are not bringing anything new, dual core yay but other than that what else. For those with nooks is 4-500 dollars worth a larger screen? What can you do on those that you cant do on the nook color? Also nook is still on 2.1 so with froyo there should be a slight speed increase.
Dont think anything from CES was mind blowing and would make me considering giving up my nook.
Outside of Android, Gigabyte just announced a reasonably nice Win7 Tablet with a N550 (duel core) and even a 320G HD supposidly aimed at the sub $300 market. If so with a reasonable capacitive screen it would be one of the first reasonable Win7 Tablets. For a device that has netbook specs it may be the first to finally get it that they need to be priced reasonable for the reasonable specs. Touchscreen replacement for a keyboard should not cost $200 more.
I'm still waiting patiently for the NC with 2G/3G... Anyone know when it will be out?
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That's the same thing i thought, but then how to you explain the galaxy tab? 600 bucks for what? Where they price gouging?
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I think that we are seeing the NC at razor thin markup (almost cost) due to the "razor/razor blades" marketing model that ebooks use. B&N expect to make all their money on book sales, not the hardware. Until we have a Tegra2 KindleIV to compare to, I doubt we'll know for sure
I'm not looking for my Nook to replace my laptop. The thing that got me is the performance/price and the big thing: not having a data plan. I don't understand who has the money to buy a $500 device and then pay $25-50/month for 24 months. I can buy a really nice laptop for $1100-1700.
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For me the NC is a tablet first & an ereader second! At least that's the way I use it. IMO it has enough going on hardware wise that the only time that it is an ereader first, is that period of time between opening the box & rooting it! Just because it doesn't have a few hard keys, camera or GPS & USB host doesn't mean it is not a viable tablet. Actually, a rooted NC has more tablet functions than it does ereader functions. I am very happy with the NC without these features, as that kept the price where I could afford it. With it competing in the ereader market, B&N had to price it accordingly. If it had been competing as a tablet, it could have demanded a much higher price. I was not looking for a laptop replacement, just a more portable connected device that doesn't require a data contract.
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Best tablet for under $300. Once Froyo is successfully ported and BT able kernel it will be even better. There is no way you will find another 7" tablet with capacitance screen, 1024x600 res, 512MB RAM, 8GB Internal Storage for anywhere near this price. B&N is selling them at a low price to get people to buy their ebooks.
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There is no minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb.
http://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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Glad it was BS.
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Glad it was BS.
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I am not convinced that not having some pretty strong minimum hardware specs is a good thing. Microsoft was pretty smart by setting the bar high on their Win Phone 7 units. I think the Android community would benefit from having some specs that ensure that a tablet or phone will perform fast and smooth. You know that Apple will increase their specs for the next iPad and it will suck if honeycomb runs poorly on previous gen tablets.
Would you look at that... somebody actually gets the appeal of the nook
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/lenovo-announces-ideapad-a1-the-199-android-tablet-we-go-hand/
7" 1024x600 screen, $200. Dont see anything on the other specs, but unlike most competitors the screen is there.
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Would you look at that... somebody actually gets the appeal of the nook
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/lenovo-announces-ideapad-a1-the-199-android-tablet-we-go-hand/
7" 1024x600 screen, $200. Dont see anything on the other specs, but unlike most competitors the screen is there.
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I saw this earlier too.... sounds *real* familiar overall. It's even running Gingerbread, a la CM7, etc. It will be interesting to see how it does, but it comes off sort of like a slightly tweaked, slightly more mainstream CM7 NC. It's kind of a credit to the NC that this thing is coming out a year+ later for a similar price point and doesn't really blow it away, as far as I can tell.
The story also doesn't talk about the display quality. If it is on par with the NC, then maybe...
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PC World is listing the processor as a single core 1Ghz Cortex A8 and 2GB internal memory. Only info so far on the screen is that it's Capacitive touch with a 1024x600 resolution. Still no info on any kind of hardware acceleration which can make or break it as a media player.
Edit: They do mention a GPS receiver, which is rather interesting.
Looks pretty sweet! $200 is definitely the right price point.
Has advantages over the NC - camera, GPS
You can buy a refurb NC for $170 these days though.
Also article says the 8GB model will not be for sale in the USA. 16GB model will at $249.
Unless the screen and battery are total lemons, I would say the 16GB model blows the NC out of the water going head-to-head at $250 retail. Of course, it would be a little ridiculous to buy a NC at full retail right now, this late in the production cycle and with full-warranty refurbs fast approaching the $150 mark.
The recent Vizio tablet is also a decent contender in the NC's retail range and nearly the same form factor.
I'm digging that widget in the middle of the screen. Anyone know what it is?
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I'm digging that widget in the middle of the screen. Anyone know what it is?
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I would guess it's a proprietary UI element, but it may just be a pre-loaded market widget.
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Unless the screen and battery are total lemons, I would say the 16GB model blows the NC out of the water going head-to-head at $250 retail.
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Um, well, except for the fact that probably 95% of the people who buy a NC buy it because it's an eReader with apps.
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Um, well, except for the fact that probably 95% of the people who buy a NC buy it because it's an eReader with apps.
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Which has little bearing on the question of whether said "eReader with apps" is comparable in value to an almost identical device with several advantages, nor on the question of whether a year-old and decreasingly unique piece of electronics is still worth the initial retail price.
Or are you simply arguing that B&N can continue selling NCs for $250 on the basis of consumer ignorance?
Hmm... if i ever upgrade I might hold out for Sammy's 7.7" super amoled with GPS and 0.7 pound weight and 10 hour batt life. But only at $250!
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Which has little bearing on the question of whether said "eReader with apps" is comparable in value to an almost identical device with several advantages, nor on the question of whether a year-old and decreasingly unique piece of electronics is still worth the initial retail price.
Or are you simply arguing that B&N can continue selling NCs for $250 on the basis of consumer ignorance?
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I'm obviously saying that the vast majority of people who want an eReader aren't getting a tablet, and vise versa.
The price point to beat will be the one that Amazon sets with its new tablet. If a decent tablet from a known company is available below that price point, that can use the kindle app and nook app, then consumers will catch on. The real issue however is that Lenovo has no stake in an app store or media store, so they can't afford to lose money on hardware, while Amazon and B&N can.
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I'm digging that widget in the middle of the screen. Anyone know what it is?
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That's the Lenovo Launcher, a custom widget that comes on all their tablets.
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The price point to beat will be the one that Amazon sets with its new tablet. If a decent tablet from a known company is available below that price point, that can use the kindle app and nook app, then consumers will catch on. The real issue however is that Lenovo has no stake in an app store or media store, so they can't afford to lose money on hardware, while Amazon and B&N can.
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Supposedly Amazon's tablet will be a $250 7" 6GB tablet with wifi, negotiating 3g/4g. There's some rumor that 3g access will be "free" (along with 1 year Amazon Prime free membership) but... man that's a lot of bandwidth to be giving away free for a tablet.
No camera, and also apparently no HC --- "a system prior to 2.2".
Personally I'm not really all that jazzed, kind of disappointed at the mediocre (so far) specs.
The articles should be filtering in for this about now.
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Supposedly Amazon's tablet will be a $250 7" 6GB tablet with wifi, negotiating 3g/4g. There's some rumor that 3g access will be "free" (along with 1 year Amazon Prime free membership) but... man that's a lot of bandwidth to be giving away free for a tablet.
No camera, and also apparently no HC --- "a system prior to 2.2".
Personally I'm not really all that jazzed, kind of disappointed at the mediocre (so far) specs.
The articles should be filtering in for this about now.
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I read that this morning too. I'm sure they will sell a lot due to brand recognition, but it sounds like they're late to the party with that one. The NC is essentially the same, but has been out for a year. And it sounds like they are readying a new one.
Too bad. I was hoping for better hardware at a subsidized price. The Lenovo looks much better than the Amazon Tab.
Don't know how credible it is, but this was posted over on mobileread:
Dulin's Books said:
The AmTab will have a AFFS lcd panels provided by Hydis which is a subsidiary of PrimeView/Eink Holdings http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_03.asp
AFFS or Advanced Fringe Field Switching Displasy are a Hydis patented tech which produces bright displays with very good color and 180 degree viewing angles with lower power usage then similar size IPS displays
http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_03.asp
http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_02.asp
http://www.boehydis.de/techno/techno.html?reload_coolmenus
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So, it sounds like at least a minor screen improvement over the NC, but maybe this also explains the rumors of B&N acquiring "e-paper backing" from eInk for the next-gen NC.
Wow free 3g!
Ill buy this or the amazon tab if theres a 250gb HD like the Archos tabs. I need that space to replace my ipod classic sometime...
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Ill buy this or the amazon tab if theres a 250gb HD like the Archos tabs. I need that space to replace my ipod classic sometime...
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a 250GB tablet from any of the top tier manufacturers. The 8/16/32GB flash memory model seems to be pretty much standardized now. Some of the lower-end, fringe companies like Archos might come out with hard-drive based tablets, but the big guys won't.
Amazon certainly won't, because they want you to use their cloud services to store your MP3s, and putting a huge storage capacity in their tablet would be counterproductive for that goal.
The best we can expect in terms of storage is 64GB SDXC support and/or multiple SD slots. The Lenovo actually has one micro and one standard SDHC slots, creating the potential for 16/32GB internal + 32GB uSD + 32GB SD = up to 96GB storage for a total of around $400 (less if you have the cards on hand), which is pretty massive by tablet standards.
As has been said, though, tablets and the mobile OSes they run are better optimized for cloud computing than managing substantial quantities of files locally.
ETA: honestly, if this thing materializes and reports on performance and screen quality are positive, I may consider it as a trade up from my NC.
Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?
Lawyers everywhere are celebrating the arrival of the Nexus 7.
Google represents deep pockets, and every two-bit company with ripped-off patents will be looking to cash in.
Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
gotta give google some credit... they have the technology and know how to use it
While I was hoping it would have the original features of the memo pad as revealed as ces I'm thrilled by this tablet. I think having its software come directly from Google and carrying the nexus moniker more than makes up for the hardware changes.
This tablet was an excellent move by Google because not only is it great hardware wise, but the 7 inch market is where they can build a foothold on the tablet market.
I'm happy it is priced so competitively but to scoff at other companies giving less for more money bothers me. Google isn't making profit off this tablet. They hope to raise revenue from play store purchases, etc, but other companies that produce these need to make money off what they build. I don't begrudge them for that. In the end it would be nice for other stockish android tablet makers to either commit to keeping devices on the latest OS, or release source for drivers, etc when they discontinue support for them so that unofficial builds could continue.
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Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Let's just hope other oems will follow this standard of pure android and follow the supposed 5 nexus devices this fall. I love my phone but I love pure Google also
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Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?
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They bought the rights to sell the ASUS ME370T rebranded as the nexus 7 with features removed.
They didn't KO ASUS.
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.
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That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.
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no way at the rumored $300 price point. plus infinity is already released. no way you will get true HD 1080P nexus tablet with most powerful tegra3 variant(highest clocked, higher voltage, higher clocked gpu, bandwidth on controller increased) for that cheap. we can dream though..lol.
I see a nexus 10 model being closer to transformer 300 minus some features to lower price point. nexus 7 already uses exact same tegra3 chipset as in transformer 300, which is the T30L variant. So Asus/Google could build a Nexus based on that design. minus some features. corners have to be cut to make the cheaper price point.
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Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.
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I'm pretty sure his 250 quote came directly from Asus back when they announced they where releasing it.
I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
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It might also bring down the price of some of the higher end tablets (are people really willing to pay an extra $xxx just to get feature xxx?)
Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.
I think they killed all competition in the 7" Android market entirely I'm guessing, and maybe will do the same to the bigger Android tablets if the rumored 10" is released.
Unfortunately, I think this will cause other companies to not build 7" tablets with better specs since most people aren't going to pay much more to have them.. (Like video out, micro sd, haptic feedback, etc.)
The Toshiba Excite 7.7 16gb @ $500? Dead, dead, dead. Only big difference is microsd and AMOLED. And timely updates from Toshiba? Not likely.
Galaxy Tab 7.7? Hard to say. Only the Verizon model is available directly in the US, so maybe it will hang on since it has cell radio, MHL, haptic feedback, microsd, AMOLED, etc. But then again it's over DOUBLE the price. (Disclaimer: I love mine. Verizon, where is my ICS update????)
There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.
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I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
anything I missed?
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a slap in apples face for their overpriced ipad and marketing condescending commercials :good:
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There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.
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But these cheap tablets... The usually have no support, and no software updates, etc. That's also a huge reason ppl don't go buy them.
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Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.
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I agree with you on some of the points but One x and SGSIII are not hick ups. One x might had some problems earlier but SGSIII never had any problem and it is the best ICS phone not Galaxy Nexus. I sold my Galaxy Nexus 2 weeks back and this was the first phone which does not make me feel wow about anything at all. It was doing everything at acceptable level but best at nothing. I agree that at $350 price tag it is a nice phone but I bought this phone only because I was short of money. Google did well with Nexus one, Nexus S and they were indeed best phones but Galaxy Nexus was just okay sort of phone even when it was released last year. I think the new Nexus would be much better which hopefully would be released later this year.
On the other hand what you have said about Nexus 7 on the other hand is true. Even though I have iPad 3 64GB with 4G but I understand what google is trying to do with Nexus 7 and I love what they did. I was looking for a good 7 inch tablet and there was nothing good in the market in 7 inch beside toshiba 7.7 but it was too pricey. Who is going to pay more than 500 for a 7.7 inch android tablet? Google on the other hand done very well by introducing Nexus 7 only for 200 and nothing can beat it at this price point or even nothing with 300 more price tag can beat it. It is even better than Asus Pad TF300 which cost way more than Nexus 7. The 7 inch form factor is also great and google made a very good choice.
Final answer to all the people wondering about profit margins. What I'm wondering is, how would they work this out? Doesnt the cost price for the component depend on the order amount. They would have to know Asus's and Google's production numbers to find a more accurate figure, no?
http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-7-production-costs-estimated-at-184-06237492/
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/google-nexus-7-teardown/
Google's not making anything, Asus makes whatever profit. Google just put their name in for marketing the best priced tablet.
suchavibrantthang said:
Google's not making anything, Asus makes whatever profit. Google just put their name in for marketing the best priced tablet.
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I thought everyone knew this already.
then what's the purpose of a new thread? trying to sort out their numbers and overhead?
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then what's the purpose of a new thread? trying to sort out their numbers and overhead?
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Dont know you tell me? This is the Nexus 7 general forum, isn't it?
What I want? Your opinion on the matter would be a good start.
ASUS is certainly profiting more off the 16GB model.
8GB Nexus 7 cost: $184.
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16GB Nexus7 cost: $190.
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To be clear, I'm just making a joke... but still, $50 for 8GB of flash?
I can see eventually Google offering % cuts of the advertising/media sales to the device vendors. As that's something Apple/Amazon can do, to NOT o the same will reduce their ability to compete somewhat. It'd be a good carrot to dangle to the vendors too.
Production cost isn't fixed, but pegged to volume (aka economy of scale). Assuming N7 sells well, this will go down. Component costs also drop over time. KF est BOM cost was $200'ish in Nov last year, now it's $150'ish.
http://google.com/search?q=kindle+fire+bom+cost
The thin margin is why the 8GB SKU is only sold through Play. The 16GB SKU's larger margin allows retailers to take their cut.
Some think that lack of SD slot is a cost-saving decision. But the one thing that cheapo China tabs have is plenty of ports, even full-sized USB. Per above, it's obvious to say that lack of SD is to encourage sales of the higher-end SKU, as else folks will just get the base model + 32GB microSD.
Realistically, the majority of sales will be for the $250 16GB SKU, allowing Goog to make a nominal profit (although I doubt HW profit is Goog's main concern). The 8GB's $200 mark is good for advertising, but is more of a lowballed price.
>I can see eventually Google offering % cuts of the advertising/media sales to the device vendors... It'd be a good carrot to dangle to the vendors too.
I was pondering this same possibility. The rising "app store" model really shoves HW vendors into second-class status. They bear the costs of device manufacturing and marketing, and yet only makes pennies while the platform owner and ISVs make all the big bucks. Some thing will need to give.
Pragmatically, I don't see the above notion happening any time soon, mainly because the ecosystem owners don't have to. There will need to be some trend or sign of rebellion from HW vendors. But the flip side to this is that it will only encourage the eco-owners (MS, Google, Amazon) to roll their own devices, which they are already wont to do.
Methinks many strategists in HW-only vendors are scratching their heads right now, trying to plan a workaround for a content-first market.
Sound analysis, emote.
Assuming they're using up-front component costs, I would treat their estimate as an upper bound. They're making at least $15/unit, more if economies of scale kick in. And probably vastly more on the more popular 16gb version.
Assuming the report about Asus keeping all the profits is accurate, I'd say Asus got a good deal here. The Nexus branding means they'll sell like hotcakes, for hardware inferior to their original me3o. Sounds kinda like a certain fruity company we all know of.
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8GB Nexus 7 cost: $184.
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To be clear, I'm just making a joke... but still, $50 for 8GB of flash?
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It's better than what apple charges lol
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lol now I can sleep at night....
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It's better than what apple charges lol
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Per MB it's actually the same Apple does 16 -> 32 for $100.
But great teardown, much better than iFixit. Btw anyone noticed this?
ELAN Microelectronics eKTF3624BWS – Controller for Resistive Touchscreen
ELAN Microelectronics eKTH1036BWS – Controller for the Resistive Touchscreen
Resistive touchscreen? Please tell me this is wrong. I'm really hoping for capacitative.
gkpm said:
Per MB it's actually the same Apple does 16 -> 32 for $100.
But great teardown, much better than iFixit. Btw anyone noticed this?
ELAN Microelectronics eKTF3624BWS – Controller for Resistive Touchscreen
ELAN Microelectronics eKTH1036BWS – Controller for the Resistive Touchscreen
Resistive touchscreen? Please tell me this is wrong. I'm really hoping for capacitative.
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That's has to be a typo, it is definitely 100% capacitive. And I guess I was thinking of back in the day with older iPod touches where it was a $100 difference between 8 and 16GB models
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It also says 2GB ram. Definetly some errors there.
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iSuppli: 8GB N7 BOM cost = $152, 16GB N7 BOM cost = $160
http://allthingsd.com/20120711/googles-nexus-7-costs-152-to-make-ihs-isuppli-teardown-finds/
This is good news. It means that other companies can also build a similar 7"--hopefully w/ HDMI and SD slot--and sell it for same price ($250 for 16GB) and still make money. Google upped the ante, but didn't kill off the 7" market. Hopefully there'll be more entrants other than the KF2, since most likely it won't have a SD slot either.
Interesting tidbit: N7 800x1280 IPS display cost = $38, Fire 600x1024 IPS display cost = $35. It only costs $3 more for the high-res display. That means we'll probably see many other 7" going hi-res in the near future. Maybe 10" as well?
How can something that's estimated be final?
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Google may be readying a revamped model of the middle sibling in its Nexus line of Android devices for as early as the first quarter of 2013, if the supply-chain snoops at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes are correct.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/google_nexus7_rumors_persist/
Well what do we think?
Not thinking much of anything to be honest.. good for them? I'll remain happy with my 1st gen 16Gb mobel.
A cheaper version is always welcome.
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I could see the Nexus tablet line having the following:
A cheap ($99 seems low, but okay) 7". A higher quality 7" ($200-$250?). High quality 10".
While I have little money for toys, and I like paying low prices as much as anyone, I don't necessarily want a Nexus device that's had every cost corner cut. Especially things like storage and ram, which the current Nexus 7 seems to have slow parts.
Perhaps Google is trying to entice the masses further by lowering the price of a decent device, but I hope they realize that you can't make money off being the cheapest on the market. You might sell more, but your margins are smaller and your support costs are way higher because of cut corners and the sheer amount of people owning one.
I just see a lot of people being disappointed with this new device as you know they will compare it with the first Gen n7. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.
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I can see why they would want to offer a cheaper N7-type device, but my biggest concern is supply chain issues. The current Nexus 7 is the only device that hasn't had any severe supply issues from the play store in the past few months.... but that's probably mostly because it's already been out for 6 months.
I'm happy enough for my current N7
We have more than enough cheap low-end tablets on the market nowadays..
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it.
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
With cortex a8 and adreno 200...
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
gianptune said:
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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Lol I could`nt agree more
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7
Adinaky said:
I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it ...
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That's one way to gain market share, N7 were practically sold out everywhere in town over the holidays - DH got herself an iPad2 X'mas 2011 and the iOS people are releasing #5 in March or Spring of 2013 ...
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
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One would be paying more for a used/pre-owned N7 in excellent condition than buying the newest model, cheaper & slimmer. Hmmm :highfive: :fingers-crossed:
Maybe I should return mine to Staple as there is NO restocking fee & no questions asked - and wait for the newer one, 4.1.2 is such a mess in stock form anyway, LOL.
This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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You're so right, I really like these Nexus phones (4 especially) and Galaxy S3, but the screen size puts me off - it's to big. Gimme a nice 4,2 inch with a decent resolution and I'm sold, but yes, such phones get lost in reviews because they don't stand a chance competing with 6" super triple HD 3D Gorilla Retina screen, 16core CPU and more RAM than my PC has.
I already have a decent tablet (N7), all I want is a decent dual, maybe cheap quad core, ~4" Nexus phone (once I got N7 I realized what android is really supposed to look like, because CM is not stable enough for me to run on my Xperia, so I kept it stock).
Of course Nexus line is only top notch, playing in the big league of S4 and iPhone6, so yes if they released a normal 4" nexus phone, headlines would say "where's your god now Android fans, always you have been bashing iPhones 'small' screen, now you're buying one yourself".
Nexus 7 is cheap enough as it is, we don't need another 800*480 7" tablet, that you can get in the Pharmacy (seriously, I saw some cheap tPads in local pharmacy), make a cheap Nexus phone!
Any news about it?
I'm on a low budget (about $150) and was hoping to get that cheap nexus 7 if it's released
It would be certainly better than those nasty china tablets..
99$?!
Cortex a8 + 512ram?
all i got from that site information is...... "made cheaper . thinner"............mmmmm wow