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Paid apps can be copied to rooted phones WITHOUT market (re-)validation ...!

Hi,
Until now I had thought REinstalling a closed market app will force a credit card check anyway (to validate that the app had been payed by the user before) ...!
I have just realized that it is possible with rooted phones to backup a closed (paid) market application to SD (PC), then copy it to another (rooted) phone, reinstall WITHOUT market intervention/validation/credit card check, which means to me that theoretically Google's Market Place can be circumnavigated by filesharing ...!
Is this possibly another thorn in Google's flesh to kill Cyanogen before anybody in the world will use a rooted phone to participate? So Cyanogen is only stated an exampel for all the rooted Android ROMs.
The One Click Method (in opposite to the Goldcard Rooting) makes it easy even for kindergarden kids now ... !
Then at least we have become victims of our perfectionism ...!
Regards

It IS possible to do that yes, however if you were installing a paid app on the phone that you do not own and attempt to update it to the latest version, it WILL fail to update to the newest release without charging you for the app first, so be careful. I've always know there were ways to "steal" paid apps using a rooted phone but to be honest I've never been interested in doing so, if I wanted an app bad enough I paid for it like I should have. I am just interested in making a copy of the app I paid for to have for myself in case of all hell breaking loose.

You can do the same on a non rooted phone (iirc)
The market / package installer is really unprotected imo, it needs more protection for devs.

Yeah, this is hardly new, the community have known about this for months.
If you use an app to backup your apps (ASTRO, AppManager, whatver) it simply copies the apk from /data/app to your sdcard so it can be reinstalled at any point. Protected apps are stored in /data/app-private. Apps like those can't copy protected apps (90% or so of paid apps are protected), but if you have root you can copy the apk out of /data/app-private and reinstall.
I realize I've basically given instructions on how to pirate something, that wasn't my intention I was simply trying to clarify. Oh well, I still reckon this post will be deleted..

It's pretty much common knowledge if you know how to use the ls command.

nothing new
Nothing new here. People have been doing this with all apps (not just paid) for a while now. Its worth making backups of your apps for personal use, this is all well and good, incase you need to wipe your device between roms etc. However what would be be the point in sharing a paid app for free? As already mentioned you can't update it for free so your going to be stuck with an outdated app without access to any new features the developer adds in the future nor will you get any bug fixes if these are needed.
I do try and stay away from paid apps personally as my belief is that android is open-source and everything that goes with it should be free. But there apps out there that are worth the money.
Also, how long before this thread is locked / closed by mods? I'm sure xda rules state that your not allowed to explain how to get around paying for things. Community is to be supported not ripped off.
Ultimately if the app is good PAY THE DEVELOPER they did put a lot of work into creating the app in the first place so it can't hurt us to send them a few coins.

now y or we talking bout selling here,or we that damn cheap you cant pay
$.99 - $2.99 for a app yall sad..lol..cuz we not dumb here,we know there is a way but keep it to urself ppl..thz

Automization said:
Is this possibly another thorn in Google's flesh to kill Cyanogen
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Not sure why you brought up Cyanogen as this has nothing to do with Cyanogen. It is an issue with the reliance on protected apps using the Linux permissions for copy access.

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Can we remove the Bloat?

All im looking to do is get rid of the bloat apps that the X comes with. Even if we cant have custom roms, can this still be done? Im coming from an Omnia and i know the only way to get rid of the useless stuff was to flash. Does this work the same way with Android?
Yes Yes i have never had a Android phone before. Very excited about making the switch once the X is released

You will need root access and then use adb to remove apps.

Custom Rom on Motorola Milestone
How to load a custom ROM on your motorola milestone via the unlockr site on youtube was posted yesterday by sjones765, so there's still hope for us. I'm not allowed to paste links so this was the best I could do.

cooley_l said:
How to load a custom ROM on your motorola milestone via the unlockr site on youtube was posted yesterday by sjones765, so there's still hope for us. I'm not allowed to paste links so this was the best I could do.
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Well that's definitely good news... looking for it now...
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That's not what you're looking for. That's just about Nandroid backups - not ROMs. Nandroid backups are just a backup of your System, Data, etc. It lets you manipulate your current system but not flashing a ROM built from the source. (No update.zip's)

A noob on Android
Thnx for the edification Adam , went back to the unlockr and they said it was only for unlocked GSM phones. Thought maybe it was something we could use . Have a HD2 myself and with these forums help I've turned into a flashing junkie,easy with WinMo. I got alot more to learn.

I would also like to know if we can tweak the rom that Motorola gives us with the phone and then put it bake on with the proper signature...would this be possible???

No, not without some kind soul at Motorola giving us their key.

What particular do you wish to remove?
NFS shift can be removed.
Amazon mp3, Blockbuster, and City ID can't be easily removed.
I think I will just keep Skype Mobile.

To be honest, and this is my first android phone, there doesn't seem to be much bloat. I've pretty much ignored all of the motorola stuff and deleted all of the supplied widgets, replacing them with android ones. The only other stuff on there is a few apps. There isn't even any verizon stuff preinstalled, thank jebus.
I like City ID (very handy), and Skype mobile is useful sometimes. The blockbuster and amazon mp3 apps don't hurt me.

scooler said:
To be honest, and this is my first android phone, there doesn't seem to be much bloat. I've pretty much ignored all of the motorola stuff and deleted all of the supplied widgets, replacing them with android ones. The only other stuff on there is a few apps. There isn't even any verizon stuff preinstalled, thank jebus.
I like City ID (very handy), and Skype mobile is useful sometimes. The blockbuster and amazon mp3 apps don't hurt me.
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Yeah, I kind of agree. Outside of CityID, there's nothing I really hate and want to get rid of. Will I ever use Blockbuster or Amazon MP3 store? Probably not, but it doesn't really hurt me to see them on my app list.

How does one remove City ID? I couldn't find a way to do it.

Roland Deschain said:
How does one remove City ID? I couldn't find a way to do it.
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You can't remove Blockbuster, City ID, and Amazon mp3 without root.

SiXiam said:
You can't remove Blockbuster, City ID, and Amazon mp3 without root.
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Can you post instructions please?

tats_06 said:
Can you post instructions please?
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You can't root droid x's yet.
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

City ID keeps popping up and asking me if I want to pay for it. I'd like to remove it, but don't see an option for that.
Is that even legal for them to install an extortionist virus on our phones without any way of removal?
I'd rather pay the dev who gets root on this phone.
Here's $10 to anyone who roots the Droid X.

That City ID app is totally uncalled for. But I always expect carriers to put garbage on phones.
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

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Can you post instructions please?
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Yeah you can't remove them yet, until we get root. I tried doing it with Astro, but it wouldn't let me.

I just demo'd one today at Verizon. There is sooooo much **** on there that I absolutely do NOT want on there. Why did they go so overboard with the UI? The DROID's is pretty vanilla. But damn if the X isn't too much for me..

MattKilla said:
I just demo'd one today at Verizon. There is sooooo much **** on there that I absolutely do NOT want on there. Why did they go so overboard with the UI? The DROID's is pretty vanilla. But damn if the X isn't too much for me..
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Like... what? Blockbuster, CityID, NFS Shift? I can't even think of anything else.

Yeah. There really isn't that much **** on there...
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Worthwhile AT&T Apps to keep?

Has anyone given the AT&T apps a good try to see if any of them are good to keep?
I see instructions out there on how to wipe AT&T off of our phone, but haven't seen anybody comment on why they're wiping the apps off besides to "get rid of the AT&T apps".
I'm just wondering if there might not be one or two of the included apps that are actually worthwhile to keep.
I know one I won't be sorry to delete is the mobiTV one. I loaded it up to the welcome screen then had to step away for a couple minutes. When I came back it kindly told me my 2 minute trial was up... LOL nice! So yeah, unless it really is an incredible piece of software worth buying I'll be dumping that one at least.

Many if not all require additional fees and subscriptions, despite free alternatives.
For example, the AT&T navigator app is $10 a month, but Google Maps is free.
There's also the matter of principle... the fact that AT&T made them non-removable is a compelling reason to get rid of them.

The only at&t app worth using is the att my wireless app that you can down load from the market place. It lets you keep track of your minutes usage, data usage, and change your plan.
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behrouz said:
The only at&t app worth using is the att my wireless app that you can down load from the market place. It lets you keep track of your minutes usage, data usage, and change your plan.
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I agree. Funny thing is, that's the only app AT&T didn't preinstall on the phone IIRC. I guess they expect you to pay money for their crappy services by default (or by mistaken clicks), but don't want you to have a way to track it so easily.

MikeyMike01 said:
Many if not all require additional fees and subscriptions, despite free alternatives.
For example, the AT&T navigator app is $10 a month, but Google Maps is free.
There's also the matter of principle... the fact that AT&T made them non-removable is a compelling reason to get rid of them.
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Point...Set...Match
You just staited my two primary reasons.
It is disgusting that AT&T forcefully occupies space on lesser phones with pay apps. Just appalling.

Well ok then, looks like I'll be clearing them all off! lol

i got rid of all my ATT apps lol

sschrupp said:
Has anyone given the AT&T apps a good try to see if any of them are good to keep?
I see instructions out there on how to wipe AT&T off of our phone, but haven't seen anybody comment on why they're wiping the apps off besides to "get rid of the AT&T apps".
I'm just wondering if there might not be one or two of the included apps that are actually worthwhile to keep.
I know one I won't be sorry to delete is the mobiTV one. I loaded it up to the welcome screen then had to step away for a couple minutes. When I came back it kindly told me my 2 minute trial was up... LOL nice! So yeah, unless it really is an incredible piece of software worth buying I'll be dumping that one at least.
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I'm not sure if it's an AT&T app, but the music player that comes on our phone is awesome!
I even started a thread asking if there was a way we could extract it or reinstall it after flashing a different rom. Hah. I like it.

bfgarzilla9k said:
I'm not sure if it's an AT&T app, but the music player that comes on our phone is awesome!
I even started a thread asking if there was a way we could extract it or reinstall it after flashing a different rom. Hah. I like it.
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This is a Samsung app. We'll get it in new ROMS.
Look at about 1:05 on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3QwvMsBGjE

Yeah I have to say that music app is pretty nice.
Although I just installed one called "Moodagent" that is kind of neat. Haven't had a chance to fully explore it, but it appears to have quite a few features along with the main interface that's a bit gimicky, but cool. It has sliders that you adjust up or down (Sensual, Tender, Happy, Angry, Tempo) and it adjusts the playlist according to the levels you set. Probably old news to everyone else but interesting to me!

everything that is labeled att_nameofprogram is pretty much useless. the other programs like allshare or instant messaging may still be usefull.

Allshare
If you interest in using DLNA, the Allshare app may be a good one to keep. Although, I have one major problem with it: you can only add 1 song at a time to the Queue. What a pain.
But I haven't found any good alternatives yet.

I opened the 'Where' app, and (stupidly) breezed past some part about a monthly charge if I don't cancel. Has anyone else run into this? And if so, do you know how to cancel?

"Where" does AT&T get the idea they can charge for this?
You probably want to call AT&T ASAP to make sure you don't get charged for using the Where app. Also, stop using the included one and download the free one!
Funny story about the Where app:
I had a Nexus One and saw that Where was on a lot of "best app" lists for Android so I went to the market to get it. It was nowhere to be found. After a bit of research, I found some vague explanation about how AT&T had a deal with Where and that they blocked it. This really pissed me off since I paid full price for the N1 with no subsidy from AT&T -- how dare they block apps? Anyway, I found the APK online and installed it.
Later, I rooted my phone and installed the MarketAccess app. Now I could find Where in the Market and installed it from there -- still free of course. When I got the Captivate, the first thing I did was root it. When I saw that Where was pre-installed, I thought "great, now I don't have to jump through hoops to get it." Luckily I saw the warning about being charged, what, $2.99/month to use an app that is free for every user of every other Android phone? I promptly used Titanium Backup to remove the pre-installed version and then used MarketAccess to download the free version from the Market.
The point is that AT&T is really trying hard to charge extra for things that every other Android user gets for free (maps, navigation, Where, etc). Very frustrating. My employer pays for the service on my Captivate and I will be moving my wife's phone (that I pay for) to the Epic 4G at the end of this month after being an AT&T customer for 7 years.

What about AT&T Hot Spots?
I visit Starbucks frequently and occasionally McDonalds. Both offer free WiFi, but require you to check a box and click a button to agree to terms before using it. I know that's not a big deal, but it is a little bit of a hassle especially if I am not planning to use the browser anyway -- I just want to go straight into another app that uses WiFi.
Since I got the Captivate, I've noticed that as soon as I turn on WiFi while at either of these places, I get a notification that says "AT&T Hotspot Detected" or something like that and I am able to use WiFi without having to visit the agreement page in the browser.
Does anyone know whether this app is required for this detection and agreement bypass to function? I have thought about making a backup with Ti Backup, uninstalling, and testing it but am worried that it might not reinstall properly. Also, it might be handy for finding hotspots when traveling -- making it the only useful AT&T pre-installed app.

ATT wifi hotspot app seems to be useful to connect to Attwifi hotspots without having to manually agree to terms
does anyone have a copy of it ?

anilkuj said:
ATT wifi hotspot app seems to be useful to connect to Attwifi hotspots without having to manually agree to terms
does anyone have a copy of it ?
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I have it and will try to make a backup and post it within the next couple of days. It might be Monday before I can do it, unless someone else beats me to the punch.
Update: I still have it on my phone, but it seems that Titaniun Backup only backs up the data, not the APK. I also tried Mybackup Pro with the same result. I have root, so if someone knows how to extract a system app as an APK please let me know. I haven't searched yet, BTW, so if I find out how to do this myself I'll update this post (again).

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I agree. Funny thing is, that's the only app AT&T didn't preinstall on the phone IIRC. I guess they expect you to pay money for their crappy services by default (or by mistaken clicks), but don't want you to have a way to track it so easily.
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I swear they are only doing that to mess with us. While it's not hard to completely remove all AT&T ware, it's fairly simple to hide the apps with LauncherPro.

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I have it and will try to make a backup and post it within the next couple of days. It might be Monday before I can do it, unless someone else beats me to the punch.
Update: I still have it on my phone, but it seems that Titaniun Backup only backs up the data, not the APK. I also tried Mybackup Pro with the same result. I have root, so if someone knows how to extract a system app as an APK please let me know. I haven't searched yet, BTW, so if I find out how to do this myself I'll update this post (again).
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Got it! Thanks to:
forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3319-stock-apps-that-can-be-deleted-post-root/
Here is the APK (zipped). I'm not sure whether you can just install it like any other APK or if you have to use adb to push it to /system/app. If you try it please let me know what worked (if it works).

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Got it! Thanks to:
forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3319-stock-apps-that-can-be-deleted-post-root/
Here is the APK (zipped). I'm not sure whether you can just install it like any other APK or if you have to use adb to push it to /system/app. If you try it please let me know what worked (if it works).
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thanks jason let me try that, will update soon

Nook Color CM7 Unecessary Packages?

Forgive me if this is ignorant but does the CM release for encore really need to come packaged with the phone, camera, texting etc apps even thpigh its not a phone? I understand you can remove them through ADB so my question is, why is it part of the release in the first place? Also, (all of this is judt out of curiosoty) after looking at the nightly changelog, why are nightlies with changes that dont apply to the NC released as a NC nightly???
Thanks,
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Moriarty, I have to agree. It looks like bloat-ware and when you see the phone icon in the launcher I was all confused at first being only a nook owner for 1 week. After looking around, I found Phiremod faster than CM7, but to be honest, being a noob, i havent found a singly package that comes in a .img file that is "awesome" for the nookcolor.

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Moriarty, I have to agree. It looks like bloat-ware and when you see the phone icon in the launcher I was all confused at first being only a nook owner for 1 week. After looking around, I found Phiremod faster than CM7, but to be honest, being a noob, i havent found a singly package that comes in a .img file that is "awesome" for the nookcolor.
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I highly doubt Phiremod is faster than CM7 considering it's a themed CM7 with a few preinstalled apps....

B_Moriarty said:
Forgive me if this is ignorant but does the CM release for encore really need to come packaged with the phone, camera, texting etc apps even thpigh its not a phone? I understand you can remove them through ADB so my question is, why is it part of the release in the first place? Also, (all of this is judt out of curiosoty) after looking at the nightly changelog, why are nightlies with changes that dont apply to the NC released as a NC nightly???
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They are there, because they allow us to see most of the apps on the market. As it is, i am not sure why so many people fuss over these apps; they don't effect us, use battery, etc.
And Phriemod.... pff... all Phridemod was (since it isn't really active anymore) is just a CM7 with a theme. If it were faster, it was luck...

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They are there, because they allow us to see most of the apps on the market. As it is, i am not sure why so many people fuss over these apps; they don't effect us, use battery, etc.
And Phriemod.... pff... all Phridemod was (since it isn't really active anymore) is just a CM7 with a theme. If it were faster, it was luck...
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Words of wisdom lol. You need those to get all the market apps to show.
Maybe someone could write up a quick app to remove them though, I can't myself (and don't care to learn your something like that) but I'm sure it wouldn't be to difficult.
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SCrid2000 said:
Words of wisdom lol. You need those to get all the market apps to show.
Maybe someone could write up a quick app to remove them though, I can't myself (and don't care to learn your something like that) but I'm sure it wouldn't be to difficult.
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You can remove them with Titanium Backup (but they will reappear if you flash a new ROM).

bigbob23 said:
You can remove them with Titanium Backup (but they will reappear if you flash a new ROM).
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What I meant was an app that would delete them all with just one click but yes, Titanium is great for that job. Root Explorer can do it too.

B_Moriarty said:
Forgive me if this is ignorant but does the CM release for encore really need to come packaged with the phone, camera, texting etc apps even thpigh its not a phone? I understand you can remove them through ADB so my question is, why is it part of the release in the first place? Also, (all of this is judt out of curiosoty) after looking at the nightly changelog, why are nightlies with changes that dont apply to the NC released as a NC nightly???
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I believe that is because CM7 is one large development project that attempts to push Gingerbread to the limits. The various tablet/phone modders then take it and tweak it to run smoothly on the unit (Nook). If they stripped out all the camera, phone, etc apps, they would have to spend time doing that each time the main CM7 was updated. In addition, some of these apps at some point actually might work with the Nook, such as the camera app when, when additional hardware is found such as web cams, microphones, etc.
Having said that, it would probably make a lot of sense to strip them all out when a stable release is posted so that people who have no need can install that release and others can continue with the nightlies.

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Having said that, it would probably make a lot of sense to strip them all out when a (device specific) stable release is posted so that people who have no need can install that release and others can continue with the nightlies.
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I know we're in Nook Color subforum, and it's implied that that's the device we're talking about, but that should be pointed out since the Nook Color isn't the only device running CyanogenMod.
I have a feeling this will always be an end user activity, however, because including the apps apparently opens up apps in the market you wouldn't otherwise see. I would think the people releasing the Mod would lean towards giving you all the options they can get away with, and leaving it up to you to close whatever doors you don't want to walk through.
Until someone makes, (or makes known an existing) market fooling application that will enable the apps you wouldn't see without having the .apks installed.

A really quick "fix" is to use something like Launcher Pro. I have had it installed since basically day one, and I have used it to hide those applications. Seriously, until this thread, I really did forget they are even installed.
I have hidden:
Camera
Car Home
Email
Latitude
Messaging
Phone
Sound Recorder
Voice Dialer

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A really quick "fix" is to use something like Launcher Pro. I have had it installed since basically day one, and I have used it to hide those applications. Seriously, until this thread, I really did forget they are even installed.
I have hidden:
Camera
Car Home
Email
Latitude
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Phone
Sound Recorder
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Yeah, this.. Plus a bunch of other apps that insist on having launchers, like some Live Wallpapers, widgets, etc.. Because users are idiots and give 1 star if they can't "open" a Market download.

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And Phriemod.... pff... all Phridemod was (since it isn't really active anymore) is just a CM7 with a theme. If it were faster, it was luck...
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Why do you knock phiremod that much? Is it really that bad and not worth considering? I have used it and thought it was cleaner than CM7 but there are other releases that I wouldn't mind trying like muiu something similar to that name.

It's just CM7 with some theme. Not like some great development like DM's and DB's Honeycomb, CyanogenMod's CM7, etc. Plus, it's basically been abandoned.

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Why do you knock phiremod that much? Is it really that bad and not worth considering? I have used it and thought it was cleaner than CM7 but there are other releases that I wouldn't mind trying like muiu something similar to that name.
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Because it has caused such confusion for devs here, and it is just silly. People looked at it like it was a different rom, when it was nothing more than a few nightlies that got themed. There is no actual work on the rom.. its all cosmetic. Even worse, is because of the delay in "releases", it really fell behind while CM7 was gaining steam (to the point where they were even using different kernels).
Perhaps i am too.... "mean", but i just call it like i see it at times. I apologize for urking some people; its just the way I am. I think people have a much better experience using CM7 and theming it as they want, rather than the pre-made stuff.

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Because it has caused such confusion for devs here, and it is just silly. People looked at it like it was a different rom, when it was nothing more than a few nightlies that got themed. There is no actual work on the rom.. its all cosmetic. Even worse, is because of the delay in "releases", it really fell behind while CM7 was gaining steam (to the point where they were even using different kernels).
Perhaps i am too.... "mean", but i just call it like i see it at times. I apologize for urking some people; its just the way I am. I think people have a much better experience using CM7 and theming it as they want, rather than the pre-made stuff.
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FWIW, I'm not a big fan of the rom either. I don't like it when folks replace all strings matching "CyanogenMod" with their custom name, slap on a different theme and bundle a few apps available in the market and then ask for donations.
I'm not going to try to stop anyone from doing it and I'm not going to get upset about it but I don't necessarily like it.

Since Phiremod himshelf decided to move away from this forum for his own reasons, I dont think its nice to listen only one side on this matter.
Anyway, its a matter of free decision.If U like Phiremod and its look, go with it.Or if U like other Roms, free to go.

Can't believe we were anxiously awaiting this..

Android 4.2 doesn't even seem well thought out, let alone designed. Is Google playing the Apple game, tying us into their universe and making us take whatever the deliver?
Do they even care how many apps won't work or have to have multiple purchases to support their multi-user "security"? Should have just left the multi-user thing to 3rd party devs. They fail on this, IMO.

rootbrain said:
Android 4.2 doesn't even seem well thought out, let alone designed. Is Google playing the Apple game, tying us into their universe and making us take whatever the deliver?
Do they even care how many apps won't work or have to have multiple purchases to support their multi-user "security"? Should have just left the multi-user thing to 3rd party devs. They fail on this, IMO.
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Google doesn't care.. Remember when 4.1.1 broke a bunch of paid apps by sticking them in the asec folder which wasn't mounted at startup? So since it wasn't mounted Android never saw the apps during boot and paid keyboards and widgets disappeared after a reboot. MONTHS went by before it was addressed. Meanwhile developers of those paid apps had angry customers and money lost because of Google
This will be the same song and dance.. Google is getting very sloppy with development and communication with developers pre-release seems to not exist.

I love it.
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Stop stereotyping. People are always so quick to hate on Americans. Yes there are bad Americans...but every country has them. Even your country. But I'm not going to go there since I happen to like most people from the UK that I've encountered...it would be unfair to label your entire nation as arrogant, ungrateful, and judgmental because of your behavior.
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leelaa said:
I love it.
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Seriously how is the "I love it" on topic or not a personal feeling?
Anyway thanks for the clean up
But still I agree with the OP. Google is becoming arrogant, sloppy and in its quest to be more user friendly making fiends of the ppl that were with them from version 1.

So what is the problem? I am only one person using my nexus and I haven't run into any issues.
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4.2 works fine for me. A few bugs here and there but you can't expect everything to be perfect. Google getting arrogant? Please. Sloppy? I'd say they are spread a bit thin with all the projects they have going on.
Google is run by humans. Android developers are humans. Humans make errors. Not too complicated.
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well its not about the bugs, bugs can be forgiven.
System works fine...
Its about their behavior
For me personally that I can't mount my USB stick, or lost tablet mode means that I downgraded to 4.1.2 back.

Today is Thursday. The sun will still shine Friday
Humm ..
Its called growing pains. Sometimes you have to take a STEP Back to move two bigger steps foreword. I see so much talk about this is not there that is buggy. Yes we get it.. But what i am seeing mostly is app compatibility Being Broke.. This is something that will be fixed Quickly by most Developers.
Android is and always will be "A WORK IN PROGRESS". My opinion only but if you want bland and safe sell your nexus 7 to me for .50 cents and get a ipad mini.
People who are having issues Please go to the developers web site and let them know your app is not working properly .Give them exact details. You can do the same to google at groups.google.com. Just be Patient
Now my GRIPE The multi user cluster (word here im not typing) as others said was not well though through by google. My guess is they made a date promise and pushed out only part of the Feature.. Typical Google.
It will get better and it will happen quite soon.. Lets just hope...
Take a deep breath relax and say to yourself.. Its only a tablet its only a tablet its only a toy tablet... ..
Thanks for Reading... :fingers-crossed:

I suppose YMMV, but I love 4.2. Smoother than 4.1, and nice features. The only thing that really seems half-assed is the multiuser support.

What is your problem with multi-user? For me and my daughter it is working great - could not be better.
I did add my account to her user ID Play store so she could see the apps we own and install the link.
Performance is good - all our preferences and accounts are separated - and I really can't think of any other features I would want.

I did add my account to her user ID Play store so she could see the apps we own and install the link.
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I haven't played with multi-user yet, can you add the account just for the play store and not have someone access the gmail account associated with it?
That's my gripe, I want to be able to for ex, have my nephew play with my tablet and all the games etc, but don't want him to access to my gmail etc. I thought this was perfect for that but then read about the app issue. Also, I assume there is no type of limited user, in that a secondary account can still uninstall apps, but at least they can't delete files from the other users home dir.

Yes - my account is just added to my daughter's play store. Open play store and look at add account option.
Works perfectly to give her access to the apps we share.
NO shared Gmail.
Forgot something important:
When you add a second account to play store, you are given a bunch of items you can synch, like contacts.
Uncheck them all!
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i had a valid post in this thread, it seems to have been removed ........yet you left the dude saying "love it".
cheers for that :confused
and im sorry but why has this guy just been thanked by 10 people? the post has nothing to do with anything...... shenanigans shenanigans i tells ya!!:silly:

Stick mount wasn't a feature of 4.1. It was hacked in which is why you had to be rooted and use an app. You'll get USB support again. Multiuser support screwed with the storage. That's all.
New tweaks are a little rough around the edges but will be smoothed out soon enough. Give it time, damn guys. I personally think its no better or worse then 4.1.2. We just have a few new toys now.
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4.2 = 1st time I've truly experienced "butter"...
Sure, I kinda miss the bells & whistles I had on Codename Android, and I'll definitely check out any forthcoming 4.2 updates, but scrosler's stock, rooted, deodexed ROM is far & away the smoothest, quickest ROM I've used on any Android device. Stock kernel, no tweaks, plain vanilla is for me for now. Way better Google experience. OK, I sideloaded the AOSP browser for Flash, but that's it. Chrome is much more responsive on 4.2 than 4.1.2 - Everything is noticeably quicker - I even detect better wireless response. Your results may vary, but I'm not going back!

[/COLOR]If you are unhappy just roll back to 4.1.2. This isn't iOS. You can downgrade all you want.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me how, not rooted?
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Am I the only one that has multiple apps that crash and all kinds of problems? Hell even the Youtube app crashes, i am so pissed i want a refund on this tablet they ruined or i want 4.1.2 back grrrrrrrrrr
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If you are unhappy just roll back to 4.1.2. This isn't iOS. You can downgrade all you want.
Please tell me how, not rooted?
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Wouldn't a factory image flashing work?

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Wouldn't a factory image flashing work?
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Yes
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erica_renee said:
HMy guess is they made a date promise and pushed out only part of the Feature.. Typical Google.
It will get better and it will happen quite soon.. Lets just hope...
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Well, I do belive that you are right. I also feared (and expected, to tell the truth) that something EXACTLY like this would happen. I tried NOT to update the system, but why the hell did they keep forcing it when we obvoiusly do not want it? And probably, they must have known that it will broke a lot of things...
Just to explain: for me, there was a message with three buttons: upgrade, more info (which leads to seme text and bigger "upgrade" button and "later", but that "later" means only "ask at next screen unlock" which made the tablet realy hard to use. So, what choice have I had?