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I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with
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I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with
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Galaxy S probably has the better hardware.
N1 will continue to get android releases from google first ... once the Galaxy S is out on all networks and widely sold, I would expect custom rom development to explode for it (and be the same if not better than for the n1)
=> I would keep the galaxy (based on better hardware alone)
i would keep both. you have the best of both world. N1 which is will have the most updated android and SGS which has best hardware at this moment. but with some issues on software. but that will be all figured out. play with both and then make your decision.
BTW, hating on you so much. lucky SOB.
Whatever you do, don't get rid of the N1. Either keep both and hope the Galaxy issues get resolved (GPS AND Compass) or sell the Galaxy. The Galaxy has much faster graphics performance and built in HDMI out via USB but, unfortunately, the GPS and Compass issue make it a no go for a day to day user. The thing about the Nexus is that it will continue to get updates first and,likely, there will be much more development on it. Likely, this will result in much better tuned software and possibly even open up even more functionality. With the core hardware issues of the Samsung, you are at the mercy of Samsung and their track record is not so good. I actually bought a Vibrant (Galaxy S) and returned it.
Hey! I'm a new Nexus One user. I've been using the Galaxy S for a long time and in the end chose the N1 over it. Yes, the hardware on the GS is better than the N1, but really, for me it all came down to keeping the phone that made me feel heavenly -- the N1!
You will be better off in the long run with the Nexus One...
I sold my n1 for the sgs and I'm not looking back.. true Multitouch, memory ,gpu and super amoled was enough for me. N1 was great, but the sgs is better IMO... development is starting pretty well. Especially soon....
Android 4.0 Source is out! Any chance to get this in the LG Thrill 4G I would definitely be keeping it then.
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I was wondering the same thing. if this is possible I might not even update it to GB cause it wouldnt make sense. Hopefully its possible.
Its as possible as the source for GB turning into a GB update. That is to say, no its not possible.
LG needs to make the update and bake in the drivers. It took them a few days shy of a year for GB, maybe they can shave that down to 9 months for ICS. So, as Google announces 4.1, start looking for 4.0.
The Galaxy Nexus is not going to provide any ports to the Thrill, or any other device. Its the only device using that CPU/GPU combo. Its the only device to date with its CPU at all (processor in Thrill is different model number 4460 vs 4430, it may as well be entirely different) If ICS is your goal, the Galaxy Nexus is the fastest and easiest way. Otherwise you play the waiting game for the OEM to put out the update, then wait some more for the carrier to bloatify it, then wait some more for the small base of devs to de-bloatify it.
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Its as possible as the source for GB turning into a GB update. That is to say, no its not possible.
LG needs to make the update and bake in the drivers. It took them a few days shy of a year for GB, maybe they can shave that down to 9 months for ICS. So, as Google announces 4.1, start looking for 4.0.
The Galaxy Nexus is not going to provide any ports to the Thrill, or any other device. Its the only device using that CPU/GPU combo. Its the only device to date with its CPU at all (processor in Thrill is different model number 4460 vs 4430, it may as well be entirely different) If ICS is your goal, the Galaxy Nexus is the fastest and easiest way. Otherwise you play the waiting game for the OEM to put out the update, then wait some more for the carrier to bloatify it, then wait some more for the small base of devs to de-bloatify it.
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thank your for you input on this matter. Can you please tell me which Galaxy S II is better i777 or the i727 because I am thinking of returning my LG Thrill 4G for the Skyrocket?
The skyrocket has lte actual 4g that if the only difference add far as performance
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The skyrocket has lte actual 4g that if the only difference add far as performance
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That's the only difference in data speed. That's also the only area the i727 is better. In EVERY other way the i777 is better.
They have the same screen resolution, but because the 727 screen is bigger, so the pixel density is lower, most people won't notice, but its worth mentioning.
The processor in the 727 is a qualcomm chip oc'd to 1.5 GHz, vs a Exynos chip at 1.2 GHz. People say the qualcomm chip is inferior, and choppy. Most people won't notice it, but it is there. The exynos can be oc'd higher than the qualcomm chip. The qualcomm chip is the reason it won't get i777 or i9100 ROM ports. With the i777 and i9100 running the same chip you can port any i9100 ROM really easy.
I don't know specifics on GPU, but its widely accepted the i777 has better graphics and 3D processing.
The 777 is thinner and lighter.
They both have disabled nfc on board. Att to possibly unlock at a later time, maybe at ICS rollout.
If you have LTE coverage you need to think about the choice, if you don't have LTE, there is absolutely no reason to get the 727. I talked a little about other differences in your other thread.
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Its as possible as the source for GB turning into a GB update. That is to say, no its not possible.
LG needs to make the update and bake in the drivers. It took them a few days shy of a year for GB, maybe they can shave that down to 9 months for ICS. So, as Google announces 4.1, start looking for 4.0.
The Galaxy Nexus is not going to provide any ports to the Thrill, or any other device. Its the only device using that CPU/GPU combo. Its the only device to date with its CPU at all (processor in Thrill is different model number 4460 vs 4430, it may as well be entirely different) If ICS is your goal, the Galaxy Nexus is the fastest and easiest way. Otherwise you play the waiting game for the OEM to put out the update, then wait some more for the carrier to bloatify it, then wait some more for the small base of devs to de-bloatify it.
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Did you check the TI site and read the 4460 documentation? The processors are almost identical. The 4460 is just a little more capable. Its still in the OMAP4 family with the exact same architecture. We'll have the LG gingerbread drivers shortly as well as the galaxy nexus ICS drivers which will get us started there. Kernel shouldn't be too big of an issue as again, same architecture on CPU, same exact gpu. Yea its gonna take a lot of time to get everything working but we don't need LG to do it. GB was more of a shot in the dark for this phone than ICS will be. Zero omap4 devices released with GB but it still got ported to a couple Motorola devices. ICS released for two devices, both omap4.
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I said this about GB too. I hope I'm wrong for all of your sake's. When people were saying GB was around the corner (in September), and I said December, people said I was being too cynical. Well ... here we are, December is right around the corner, and the GB port is not flashable in CWM, nor is it complete. I over-cynicized a little, but not much.
I think it's all great on paper, just like building a AOSP GB build for the phone looked simple, did that ever actually get off the ground?
As I look in the past, I use that to forecast the future. My guess is that there is no where near a functional daily use ROM for the Thrill until a ICS build comes from LG (I would guess no sooner than July). If the the Nexus S and Captivate running the exact same hardware (CPU/GPU plus lots of others) both made from the same company, cannot share ROMs with lots of dev support, I just find it hard to believe that a phone with a similar chip, packaged with other chips (WiFi, BT, USB, Power, comination unknown) by another OEM is not going to provide useful drivers for the small dev community here. Again, I would love to be wrong, but ...
To be honest I think the Thrill is more Thrilling (rim-shot) because it's an underdog, and it feels like a start-up, ground-floor opportunity to build and jury rig everything and frankenstein it together. I think it would be fun, and I would have loved to have been involved had I stayed. But, I moved on, as many others have. I can't wait for months for something like this when I will only have that phone for a year. I don't hang on to old tech, I sold my Captivate and it paid for my Galaxy S II, talk about the circle of life.
The Thrill is definately an underrated phone, but it's also not the highest end phone. As I said before, as it stands it's definately the best AT&T phone for less than $100, it's the king of the mid-range offerings. Unless you can get the i777 for $50 or less, like many places have advertised for Black Friday.
I wish everyone the best of luck with the Thrill, but the reality train is leaving the station, and I feel my welcome may just be wearing thin here.
It seems that LG doesnt really care about the consumer because they release a phone and update the firmware when its not even new anymore and its funny because it seems like the Thrill will be getting GB and everyone else will be getting ICS. =(
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It seems that LG doesnt really care about the consumer because they release a phone and update the firmware when its not even new anymore and its funny because it seems like the Thrill will be getting GB and everyone else will be getting ICS. =(
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it'll be about 3-8 months before other devices will recieve ics. samsung has the same problem. they still haven't updated the charge, fascinate, captivate and infuse.
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Android 4.0 Source is out! Any chance to get this in the LG Thrill 4G I would definitely be keeping it then.
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Yes it will Ricardo from the cyanogenmod team in charge of lg devices posted a video on YouTube showing ICS running on the O3D. He posted on his google + that it took him a couple of hours to get the touchscreen working but it shows you that work has begun and we might see ICS sooner than you think.
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Yes it will Ricardo from the cyanogenmod team in charge of lg devices posted a video on YouTube showing ICS running on the O3D. He posted on his google + that it took him a couple of hours to get the touchscreen working but it shows you that work has begun and we might see ICS sooner than you think.
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i got so excited when i saw his videos of it on the o3d i almost jumped and threw my laptop!!! hahaha
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i got so excited when i saw his videos of it on the o3d i almost jumped and threw my laptop!!! hahaha
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This is after all the reason why I got this phone cuz of the chipset and the fact that ICS is designed for it
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Yes it will Ricardo from the cyanogenmod team in charge of lg devices posted a video on YouTube showing ICS running on the O3D. He posted on his google + that it took him a couple of hours to get the touchscreen working but it shows you that work has begun and we might see ICS sooner than you think.
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Thats very good news , Hopefully it gets released soon. Instead of using GB I would go straight to ICS when its released. Does anyone have the link to the video because I cant seem to find it.
Those types of ports that are half functional are popping up every where for tons of phones.
They will not support some basic phone functions for months. There is no way 3D will work until LG builds the drivers, and they won't release them until they release the full ICS update. Things like WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, data, etc will all (or mostly) be missing for quite a while. Making ICS run and making a daily driver with ICS are two very different things.
I watched that video, there is already a comporable port running on the i9100. Proof that both using similar but different omap4 processors means nothing. The processor is the most simple basic part of the functionality, its everything else that's going to be hard.
Try to keep some perspective, and realistic hopes.
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Those types of ports that are half functional are popping up every where for tons of phones.
They will not support some basic phone functions for months. There is no way 3D will work until LG builds the drivers, and they won't release them until they release the full ICS update. Things like WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, data, etc will all (or mostly) be missing for quite a while. Making ICS run and making a daily driver with ICS are two very different things.
I watched that video, there is already a comporable port running on the i9100. Proof that both using similar but different omap4 processors means nothing. The processor is the most simple basic part of the functionality, its everything else that's going to be hard.
Try to keep some perspective, and realistic hopes.
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seriously i know your trying to help us keep a grip on our excitement.. but its starting to get annoying seeing your comments pop up here all the time after you switched weeks ago.. and they are all how the thrill has potential but im so happy with my choice... like we cant even get our hopes up because your too afraid of our dreams getting dashed to pieces... we should all follow your example. i know thats not what you mean but it feels that way...
like many others i choose this phone based off the hardware specs... so i will be sticking it out for a few months at least if not for a few years.
we know the decision you made to switch and that you have support for the thrill and knew it to be a good device.. there is no rule about posting in forums for phones you dont have.. but please... please ease back a bit on clarifying all the realities for us...
there is nothing wrong in wishing.. we had no development for ages, it feels like, and now we have some things to look forward too, thats all!
so give us our hopes please... *tears up* its all we have!
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Those types of ports that are half functional are popping up every where for tons of phones.
They will not support some basic phone functions for months. There is no way 3D will work until LG builds the drivers, and they won't release them until they release the full ICS update. Things like WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, data, etc will all (or mostly) be missing for quite a while. Making ICS run and making a daily driver with ICS are two very different things.
I watched that video, there is already a comporable port running on the i9100. Proof that both using similar but different omap4 processors means nothing. The processor is the most simple basic part of the functionality, its everything else that's going to be hard.
Try to keep some perspective, and realistic hopes.
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He's a legit cm dev. Its NOT a half functional port. Its the beginning of an ICS source build a day after source was released. It took him a few hours to get touchscreen working. Its NOT one of the fake SDK ports that have been floating around. They've already said it will be ATLEAST 2 months before we should even start expecting any updates on cm9. Hows your build of ics going? Your claims on timeline, etc, MUST be based on your own firsthand progress, correct? You are actually contributing something to the community with all your development knowledge, correct?
You claim to be saving us from false hopes. But the way I take that is that you are assuming we as a community are to ignorant and naive to realize the time/process of getting a new OS on a new device. NOBODY here has said we expect this to be a rapid process. We know it takes time.
Hop on your faux white horse and ride back over to your fanboy forum. You've contributed absolutely nothing to this forum and I assume the same is probably true there. But seeing how as you actually have that phone you have a reason to lurk over there.
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Wait wait wait...
You mean AT&T doesn't give super fast firmware updates to their phones?!
Here's what I will say about this phone so far...
I like it. It's treated me better than any Samsung phone I've had. It does everything I need it to.
I can't really remember ever saying "I wish this phone could..." that I wouldn't say about any other phone.
I hear people talk about how fast this phone is and that phone is and how fast the GSII compared to the Thrill. But how much faster is faster? The web browser pops up a second faster? A file is downloaded 10 seconds faster? I don't really think a lot of that is that big of a deal. It almost reminds me of the Crackberry forums when they were talking about not going to Android because the email isn't push (which isn't true) and so you got your emails a whole 30 seconds later. I mean, c'mon, how many of us are in a position where if we don't get that email 30 seconds faster our entire corporation loses billions?
I think it'd be cool to get 2.3 or above right now because there are a couple of games I'd like to play that are on 2.3 or above. But considering I have 25 games already installed and over 1/2 of those I ahven't touched, it's okay.
I've had a few Samsung phones and everyone of them I had had a lot of issues. I went through 8 Captivates. Now I did have to return one Thrill and exchange it but every Samsung phone I've had, I've had to get replaced at least twice. I keep saying I want a Note but then think about how bad I've had it with Samsung phones.
Phone technology is crazy. The thrill came, then the GSII, then the GSII skyrocket and the HTC Vivid, then there are three new Galaxy devices coming to AT&T in the next 2-3 months, and whatever awesome quad core devices, and then pretty soon we'll have the hologram phones in which you tell the phone to contact someone and they pop out of the phone like in Star Wars.
Honestly, I think I need a couple more pairs of shoes more than I need a newer phone.
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He's a legit cm dev. Its NOT a half functional port. Its the beginning of an ICS source build a day after source was released. It took him a few hours to get touchscreen working. Its NOT one of the fake SDK ports that have been floating around. They've already said it will be ATLEAST 2 months before we should even start expecting any updates on cm9. Hows your build of ics going? Your claims on timeline, etc, MUST be based on your own firsthand progress, correct? You are actually contributing something to the community with all your development knowledge, correct?
You claim to be saving us from false hopes. But the way I take that is that you are assuming we as a community are to ignorant and naive to realize the time/process of getting a new OS on a new device. NOBODY here has said we expect this to be a rapid process. We know it takes time.
Hop on your faux white horse and ride back over to your fanboy forum. You've contributed absolutely nothing to this forum and I assume the same is probably true there. But seeing how as you actually have that phone you have a reason to lurk over there.
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I won't get drawn into a pissing contest regarding dev support of the Optimus 3D vs the Galaxy S II (i9100).
But, I will respond.
I'm sorry I over estimated and called that port half functional, you are right: its not a half functional port.
The build status of CM9 for the phone that half the Cyanogen team was given months ago is unknown to me. I made no claims on timelines, just forecasts based on the past and opinion.
There is indeed a very similar ICS ROM built for the i9100 (and by extension the i777) from the source that just dropped, but I cannot comment as to whether or not it was put together by a "legit cm dev."
I am not a developer, no. I am just an observer, an observer that tends to be realistic with expectations, and generally accurate.
I don't accuse the community here of being ignorant or naive. I can see that some people here do have realistic expectations.
I too was once an Aria, Captivate and Thrill fanboy. Today I am a GS II fanboy. I picked my team, as you have too. I don't think there is anyone on xda that isn't passionate about their phone.
I will not dignify further condescending comments from you with a response. This is the last time you will see me on the Thrill forums. Do not take my future lack of response as an admission of your perceived superiority. And do not take my comments to imply I believe I am better than you. I know you built a ROM, and were the first to share how to port O3D ROMs. Just because I never used your contributions I will not be so arrogant to say they don't exist.
And with that, I will be on my way. Again, best of luck to every one with a Thrill.
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Just checked out the optimus 3d thread about ICS and it seems that Ricardo is getting a lot of progress done and it seems like its getting done quickly. So hopefully it gets released before Christmas
. BTW I know that's still a long wait still but it would all be worth it.
It seems to me that this phone has reached death. All the forums seemed to have died (here,droidhive,rootzwiki,android-den(which hasn't really taken off) and where ever else) and quite frankly I'm disappointed. There really hasn't been any steps forward in ICS since I don't even know when (hw codecs/bluetooth/whatever else). Unfortunately I'm still 9 months away from upgrading.
I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining because I really do appreciate all of the dev work thus far(Hashcode, sparkyman, and others are the shiz), but its like we've hit a brick wall. ICS isn't complete and won't be and gingerbread doesn't seem good enough. I am grateful of everyones work. I just wish more Could be done.
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This was my first android phone and obviously a mistake. Not that I should have gotten an iprison(I am anti I everything). I hope progress can be made. At this point though I'm sure Motorola Was and Is a mistake and I should have known better previously owning a Q9C.
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This should be in general
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This should be in general
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why? It's about the development - the phone itself isnt dead.
But I agree. I was hoping to use this phone for 2 years (using 0.5 year now). I thought that eventually, we'd get ICS like we deserve. Guess not . I'm not sure how fast/supported this phone will be using gingerbread in 1.5 year
and except Droid 4 and RAZR MAXX..what other options we've got?!
galaxy no way (too big and overrated), and HTCs are all the same: big and no qwerty. nothing to get out of the crowd...like RAZR MAXX.
i used to be a fan of HTC, since S710 days..but now i'm bored by their lack of originality. no qwerty and no good processors for the small ones (<4" display).
not really dead everyone just faced the fact that ics will not happen for the d3 and blame the lack of ram for it..although we have proven that the d3 does and can handle ics and it does improve it no dev will continue to develop it due to the locked bootloader and the work involved to write all new kernals and bypasses fir it..there are 2 great gb roms in development..team haters (my fav) and mavrom{my 2nd fav}..both development crews hang out on droidforums stop by say hi and give their roms a whirl
Because its not development, its venting about our forgotten phone. And while I feel the same as you, its still not development
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I noticed the same thing but dont really mind.
Im on a ATT contract for another year and 4 months or so.
Ive always wanted a droid and got the droid 3 because it works on att. It has to be the best sliding keyboard phone out their, and beats using any virtual keyboard IMO.
Even if development isnt strong, we have got it better then a lot of other phones. We have stable gingerbread roms and we can overclock it.
The Droid 3 is still a good phone and i know il be getting a good year of use out of it. .. hopefully then keyboard phones come back to life...
But i never used to post really on these forums but seeing they are kind of dead, i decided to become as active as i can to help around.
Is the droid three dead? Yes, in a way. The phone's bootloader is locked. This is the ONLY thing that is stopping any major developments on the Droid 3. If Moto, or google at this point, decided to unlock the phone... We would have Ice Cream sandwich 100% working (provided that they released the source code as well), and we would be eagerly looking forward to Jelly Bean. I often go on the Google+ Google account and harass them, I know I won't win but I am always hoping for a miracle.
As it stands now, there is a large chance that I will leave Verizon when my contract is up. Their handling of this phone as well as their pocketbooks has left a bad taste in my mouth. After 6/28/2012 (my birthday of all things), any phone being upgraded via contract will LOOSE their UNLIMITED data. You will have to purchase phones off contract to be able to keep your unlimited plan (It's only like $400 for a good android phone). Not only that, you will be charged a $30 fee just to upgrade.
So in conclusion:
Our phone is on life support. We are getting by with such developers as TeamHaters, Maverick, and Hashcode (who's still realasing AOKP updates for our phones), who are doing an excellent job keeping our phones working the best they can with what they have. Until there is a cure for our Bootloader issue... Our phone is stuck in intensive care, and Patch Adams is their to annoy the hell out of it.
Does anyone think googles new PDK will help our device? its supposed to allow low level api for easier porting of android to hardware. Think this could bring around any fixes? Ofcourse the bootloader will be locked but it mite make the making of kernels not take 6-8 months as hash said and help him out.
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This is the ONLY thing that is stopping any major developments on the Droid 3. If Moto, or google at this point, decided to unlock the phone... We would have Ice Cream sandwich 100% working (provided that they released the source code as well), and we would be eagerly looking forward to Jelly Bean.
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*sigh* I hate to be the one that has to come in and burst everyone's bubble every time someone makes this argument, but the problem is not the locked bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, we'd be in the same exact position. Hashcode has stated this several times. We'd still be without hardware codecs, we'd still be having Bluetooth issues, we'd still have all the same issues because they're all a matter of hardware limitations or lack of documentation on certain parts of the proprietary hardware.
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*sigh* I hate to be the one that has to come in and burst everyone's bubble every time someone makes this argument, but the problem is not the locked bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, we'd be in the same exact position. Hashcode has stated this several times. We'd still be without hardware codecs, we'd still be having Bluetooth issues, we'd still have all the same issues because they're all a matter of hardware limitations or lack of documentation on certain parts of the proprietary hardware.
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It's the combination between the bootloader and the source code
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It's the combination between the bootloader and the source code
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It's more of a "TI doesn't support hardware codecs for devices >1GB data". TI doesn't release source code for those binaries and isn't obliged to, so that's not really an argument that should be made. It's simply that our phone was cursed from release.
EDIT: And as of now I can no longer say "our phone" as I jumped ship to the Razr... goodbye, Droid 3 community, you will be missed...
When Ics gets released this year for droid it is getting better
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Nope, it's not, because ICS isn't going to be released to D3. This is it, for better or worse.
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Nope, it's not, because ICS isn't going to be released to D3. This is it, for better or worse.
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who cares. I had ICS on a device before and its not that different besides a different interface .. after using ICS i prefer gingerbread's layout..
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who cares. I had ICS on a device before and its not that different besides a different interface .. after using ICS i prefer gingerbread's layout..
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ICS is majorly different from previous releases under the hood. It uses a different kernel; things have been made more efficient; the APIs have been updated to allow for more possibilities for app developers; certain parts of how the system overall operates have undergone drastic resigns; etc.. All of this came at the price of needing better hardware to incorporate new features, but I say it was well worth it and is a very large difference even without the interface changes.
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*sigh* I hate to be the one that has to come in and burst everyone's bubble every time someone makes this argument, but the problem is not the locked bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, we'd be in the same exact position. Hashcode has stated this several times. We'd still be without hardware codecs, we'd still be having Bluetooth issues, we'd still have all the same issues because they're all a matter of hardware limitations or lack of documentation on certain parts of the proprietary hardware.
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but anyway hashcode would be able to trial and error approach without deeming the device unusable (loading kernels, and modules and stuff)
it would certainly help to have an unlocked bootloader.
but without source of course it would be time consuming and without knowing when it would have success
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galaxy no way (too big and overrated), and HTCs are all the same: big ...
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This thing is a brick in my pocket compared to galaxy line and most htc phones, check out the quad core HTC One X w/beats audio or the galaxy note etc for "originality" but seems like all manufacturers are using a very similar forum factor. I agree the qwerty is nice to have but it doubles the size of the phone as well(unless maybe desire z) so you kind of have to choose.
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This thing is a brick in my pocket compared to galaxy line and most htc phones, check out the quad core HTC One X w/beats audio or the galaxy note etc for "originality" but seems like all manufacturers are using a very similar forum factor. I agree the qwerty is nice to have but it doubles the size of the phone as well(unless maybe desire z) so you kind of have to choose.
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I came from one of those phones and dont mind the difference. In fact the keyboard is one of the best features ive had on any of my smartphones. And a 4" is perfect for me, coming from a 4.5" screen.
Hi!
I'd like to know if it's reasonable to get a Note as developer phone for the next two years. (I'm noob to android, not to programming in general.)
I will need a more or less up to date android version. My (pessimistic) guess is that Samsung will upgrade the Note to JB and thats about it. There are some good roms out now and i wonder how the situation will be in one or two years. (Ver. 5.0?) Will the development community pick up where Samsung stops and continue to support the Note or will developers move on to newer phones?
Maybe someone can give me any insight on how much work is needed (was needed for ics) to port a new (minor/major) android version to a device or existing rom? (Anything between 1guy/1week and 4guys/4weeks?)
I know the usual answer is "get a Nexus" but I really like the big screen, thats why i have to ask.
Good to hear that one more person is coming into development of the GNote. Most Welcome. We are already hearing about the Chinese Jelly Bean leaks for Galaxy Note,then android keeps updating. But no matter what, we will have the devices and the development will move on. Hoping to see you soon.
I dont expect note to become developer device, better get a nexus for that
the nexus series are the first to be upgraded and build for developers
nothing beats the note in terms of screen thought
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I wouldnt expect this to have long term development either..Its the only negative I have about the phone but Im happy enough..
I'll be honest though I am pretty sure I'll get the next Nexus simply because development cant be beat that route.
as with all android devices the main dev base will always move on to newer devices when they upgrade, however im sure there will be for a good few years people sticking with the note after all main are locked into a contract or simply havnt the funds to buy a new devices when its released.
I for one will have my note for another 18 months or so, and look forward to using it solidly for deving, i have found it a great platform for app work/running linux/ROM development.
Of cause we dont know what the next big update of android will bring, it may mean that the note no longer has the power to run it etc but thats unlikely for some time (after all even the g1 'can' run ICS).
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I'd like to know if it's reasonable to get a Note as developer phone for the next two years. (I'm noob to android, not to programming in general.)
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If you want a developer phone, you really shouldn't consider anything other than a Nexus.
Whilst the Galaxy Nexus isn't exactly top drawer these days, it's still very good, and both it and the Nexus S will see Jelly Bean. Whilst I expect support for the Nexus S to drop off after Jelly Bean, the Galaxy Nexus should be good for at least the version after JB.
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Especially those people who owned the Note since the beginning in Q4 2011.
What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
EDIT: One more question. Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
Development - good not that bad
CyanogenMod - Not working at its full potential but it is still my daily driver
Satisfaction with Samsung firmware ? - Are you kidding ?
How about the superbrick fiasco ? - I considered selling selling my note when Superbrick bug was detected but there were no other 5' phones at that time. Even now, non-removable battery (Xperia Z and others) is a deal-breaker for me.
Jelly bean update - It does not have professional and finishing touch as I quoted your post in other thread.
Am I happy with my Note ?
I am happy because I'm content and I am content because I am happy
For your every question it's a no.. There are not much development even some peps here think uploading the stock deodex rom with xyz name adding some mods which are already present on forum individually is a developmnet..? A big no, but the elite xda-developers who are trying their best bringing cutting edge work and something innovative to android development world is called development and i am very thankful to them.. But still it's not up to par.. I wish i bought a nexus device in place of note regarding android development and modding.. And sammy is just to lazy in providing update to our device and providing source codes, stock jb is just unacceptable for me it's too laggy for anyone who uses cm as a daily driver.. I am afraid to say that cm is also not fully functional, the memory leak sometimes make me go crazy but have to live with this sh*t truth about my beloved note.. After all i love my note than any other device owned by me in past and please don't term me as complainig it's all what any note user has in his heart to say.. And yeah how can i forget about brick bug, when my note firstly got affected by it i was like what the heck is wrong with my baby it is dead and you will not believe still i fear from doing any wipes it doesn't matter if i have modified kernel or not and the black crush issue is like never gonna sorted out
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Development - we hamper our own progress, more politics than codes, groupism, lack of feedback, squelching of viable ideas
CM - an alternative to explore but not be ruled/smothered by.
Samsung performance - Good in many ways- stable, battery friendly/new features/ frequent updates. Good inspite of black clipping, highly priced devices and poor build quality.
Brickbug - never existed beyond the walls of xda and/or rooting process.
Jelly bean - better than ics
Had a lot of fun with my Note. if i didnt have it , with my past experience of it, Id go for a Samsung product but would wait for price to go down first.
NB - Can you really hope for an unbiased answer ? where you become popular and part of the herd if you call Sammy Crapsung and start off your OP with a statement like - I hate Touchwiz , and thanks are heaped on you for it ? Hate begets hate.
I never put forth my views for argument so dont even try.
1 No development to full potential without Exymos drivers, still ppl did best they could. Most devs left by now
[email protected] ... ... ...them.
3No, but some custom ROMs are/were good.
4My phone has sane chip - they should recall vulnerable devices or deliver sw fix earlier.
5For me on AllianceLSZ it is as close as possibly, but I did not tried stock version.
Last one. I don't think so. They grow to big market share - lame corporation. They are lying, promising and not delivering. All I liked -big screen now is no longer Samsung's only thing. I am not fond of cheap plastic too. I liked sd card and removable battery.
Time will tell. HTC one Motorolla X LG who knows?
Development you can't talk about it since it is for every device separate and the devices high end life is under 6 months so developers are using the hit and run tactic since after awhile the device isn't popular and if you now add the delay of source to be given from the manufacture tell me what can - could you await from the developers. Who they make this with 0 to low profit gain except few of them, but that's another story.
You can't compare s2 with any device out there. S2 is legen wait for it dary .
Samsungs firmware upgrade policy was ok till ics came out, the updates where faster then you could find all the changes from one. After the second ics firmware the things did go worse, if I remember right it was s3 comming out time. And before the note 2 was introduced there was the end.
Profit rules them all.
If you don't buy that you will buy the other. Tell me a company who is making a good device with great support? None.
Google isn't producing her own devices.
Apple? Come on you can spend your money somewhere else.
As long smartphones aren't as PC's where you can add 10, different self picked, parts to make a phone and after that you pick a OS to install on it with the drivers for the parts. Till then you will pay to be happy when you will get a fully operating device with SOME of the things you need.
Own a DBT N7000
Flashed first time on JB leak since till then, the device and OS was enought/had nothing to offer more, to my needs.
Cm never used it. But N7000 without spen? Huge respect to the guys and girls for supporting so many devices ofc.
Let the "flames" begin.
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1 [Development]. Well, there are some sweet ROMs and mods, but my mate that recommended looking for stuff here some time ago said there's everything here, and TBH I don't see it, was looking for ported S Memo for JB, ink effect for S Pen only and other small mods and didn't find anything
2 [CM]. Never cared about it, I picked Note for features built around TW
3 [Stocks]. Until JB, it was pretty good, new features, not too much crap, stable and efficient
4 [Brick]. Terrible mistake and marketing failure, didn't affect me fortunately
5 [JB]. Nope, it's a total disappointment, I was eager to update it ASAP, but after I did it I was like "WHAT THE HELL MAN?". Sad, sad update
6 [Sammy]. I never considered any Samsung's phone other than SII or Note, so no
I am still very happy with my Note...with some work to be done, JB is very fast and stable and bugfree...i tried all CM and his derivates and they are great, but i still like modded stock most, mainly for all the features coming with it or possible to add - and it lags 0 (in words ZERO) for me...brickbug was an awful mistake, bricked 2 devices for me (one i got repaired on warranty)...i dont care about blackclipping cause it never affected me that much...
And cause this seems to be the 'bash sammy and note 1 thread' i am looking forward to some public flogging
I am also happy with my note.
I feel there is a strong but disappointed community regarding development. Most developers have strained that Samsung closedness in regards of hardware level drivers have halted back development months if not a year.
I personally feel the folowing is true: because of difficulty in basic os openeness guys like CM team have found time wanting in further development then basic os. I saw endevours in spen functionality and firmly believe if Samsung was more open, not only would rom development taken off more but also the app development. Just gettting rom functional has sucked the living daylights out of a lot of good devs. Had that not been the case they would have been motivated and have time left to revolutionizing further spen/apps stuff. This is a cascading effect.
I in that sense having seen burnouts and close burnouts with certain devs, am definitely not dissapointed in the devs. Greatfull for their devotion and spirit. In Samsung, yes definately dissapointed. I love what Samsung did with JB. But this whole ordeal is not a good example of transforming an opensource platform into a true community platform. That Samsung can do better. Must do better, because the XDA community is already speaking of moving from Samsung to more dev friendly mobiles. Samsung needs to turn that around.
Their future lineup is promising, but with this trackrecord, its not gonna appeal the devs into storming buyin.
More and more users are following favorite devs, if those devs move away, so will xda members following those devs. Time to step up the game Samsung, we know you want to.
Note is a great device(except battery) for me.Yeah,I miss more ported roms from other phones too,but today we have so many different chips and without sources for drivers I know it's hard...
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What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
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From Samsung, laughable. From individuals, can't ask more.
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
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Read somewhere that Samsung denied CM Officials' request to release TW Source. IMHO, I don't know if its true or actually a matter of concern but it is quite noticeable that other manufacturers' devices have amazing CMs whereas TW based phones are suffering.
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
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No.
Dear Samsung, Nobody wants your ****ing motion sensor voodoo you call "Smart-this-Smart-that" and annoying visual/audio effects you call "Nature-Nature". Your idea of using a Digitizer with a phone? Excellent. Making a phone that is a Milestone for Smartphones? Fantastic. Providing Dedicated apps? Orgasmic. ****ty optimization? You lost me.
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
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Lost my "dear" to that once. My Beloved Samsung with Amazing Proprietary Issues.
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
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Pfffffhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xD
Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
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Probably. When it comes to RAW Power, Samsung doesn't shy away. That's the beauty of it.
Note has many achievements.
1. It tasted 3 flavors of android.
2. Its the first >5 inch phone which changed the way of users habit.
3. It has seen the mist development more than galaxy nexus. It got all tge major custom releases with tw stock roms as a bonus.
4. Its the only phone which even after 1 and a half year life has a place in users heart.
5. It was a future proof device of its time and the way dev helped it groom is remarkable.
6. Thanks to devs who despite being annoying contributes so much to make our experience good.
Entropy, dr.ketan,Eybee1976, chasmodo, Criskelo, and so many others who take out time to make things better.
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