Now, lets just forget the fact that this is a flagship Nexus device for Google, who have top engineers and programers working day and night on the Nexus 7. Some how they deliberately left out a camera app. Now I won't even go into the quality because at 1.3 Megapixels its good enough for Skype. And thats it. Myself like the rest of you had to download, the Top rated camera App from the Google Play store from MoDaCo, just type Nexus 7 into Google Play its the 4 result down. The App is a disaster, For a Tegra 3 based device, its does not even give you $199 iPod Touch Facetime results. Ok maybe thats not a fair comparison. But it draws me into me second point, the fact that Google deliberately said NO Camera App for you. Its unlikely they are even going to develop a decent camera App. Which has huge underpinnings. Unlike any other device, most of my friends and co-workers have a Nexus 7 already. We would like to have some type of real Camera App that works at something higher than 10 frames per second. Google is unlikley to give us any kind of Facetime Like App for the Nexus 7 which is disasterous failure. When a single core CPU iPod Touch is delivering a better experience (camera wise and App wise) to the end user. I know leave it up to the Developers ! developers are the answer like Fring which is also super choppy . Really you sound like Steve Ballmer at this point. How hard would have been for Google to add in a Camera App running smoothly with tons of Fun, Effects and Layers that you could essentially Facetime Videochat with friends. The fact that Google is against this makes me think they have already given up on the Nexus 7. Because any 3rd party App is not going to be universally adopted, like A Camera App baked into the device out of the box. Would the Nexus 7 been an even bigger success, its hard to ridicule a success however it is something the Nexus 7 needs. Not 3rd party poorly done camera Apps that look choppy and running on a single core CPU which is struggling to keep up. I know Google Talk is there but everyone I have shown are like WTF! Why name a Video Chat feature as "TALK" most did not know it was even there or an option. It does not even work on the Nexus 7 at least for Video Chat purposes. Does anyone know if Google has hinted or said they will developing a Camera App for the Nexus 7 and a fix for Google Talk ?
rant over its frustrating
The way i see it, there really isnt a need for a camera app. its a front facing low mp camera, so your not going to take pictures of your vacation or go sightseeing with it... you have your phone or actual camera for that.. beside how will you hold the tablet when trying to take a picture with out yourself in the shot? hold it backwards? now you just look silly and your picture still looks like crap.
then you might say "What about taking pictures of my self?" well instagram, facebook, and i think google+ (not really sure about G+, just assumeing so) have a camera app built in that works well with the N7 camera.
sooo not sure what your looking for :silly:
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Now, lets just forget the fact that this is a flagship Nexus device for Google, who have top engineers and programers working day and night on the Nexus 7. Some how they deliberately left out a camera app. Now I won't even go into the quality because at 1.3 Megapixels its good enough for Skype. And thats it. Myself like the rest of you had to download, the Top rated camera App from the Google Play store from MoDaCo, just type Nexus 7 into Google Play its the 4 result down. The App is a disaster, For a Tegra 3 based device, its does not even give you $199 iPod Touch Facetime results. Ok maybe thats not a fair comparison. But it draws me into me second point, the fact that Google deliberately said NO Camera App for you. Its unlikely they are even going to develop a decent camera App. Which has huge underpinnings. Unlike any other device, most of my friends and co-workers have a Nexus 7 already. We would like to have some type of real Camera App that works at something higher than 10 frames per second. Google is unlikley to give us any kind of Facetime Like App for the Nexus 7 which is disasterous failure. When a single core CPU iPod Touch is delivering a better experience (camera wise and App wise) to the end user. I know leave it up to the Developers ! developers are the answer like Fring which is also super choppy . Really you sound like Steve Ballmer at this point. How hard would have been for Google to add in a Camera App running smoothly with tons of Fun, Effects and Layers that you could essentially Facetime Videochat with friends. The fact that Google is against this makes me think they have already given up on the Nexus 7. Because any 3rd party App is not going to be universally adopted, like A Camera App baked into the device out of the box. Would the Nexus 7 been an even bigger success, its hard to ridicule a success however it is something the Nexus 7 needs. Not 3rd party poorly done camera Apps that look choppy and running on a single core CPU which is struggling to keep up. I know Google Talk is there but everyone I have shown are like WTF! Why name a Video Chat feature as "TALK" most did not know it was even there or an option. It does not even work on the Nexus 7 at least for Video Chat purposes. Does anyone know if Google has hinted or said they will developing a Camera App for the Nexus 7 and a fix for Google Talk ?
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Face time is apple.
Google+ hangouts is Google.
Sorry you didn't know. Its hard to be mad at Google for your lack of knowledge.
A camera app with weird facial features? Cool? For 5 mins. I tried it on my iPad once. Literally. Then got annoyed when everyone was uploading pics to fb of their fat/stretched/skinny/alien faces.
Again, this isn't apple. I'm sure an app will pop up eventually, some day
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This tablet is all about promoting Google's content and services. It's very well built and pretty much given away. Most people don't find a high quality camera necessary in a tablet, so this has no rear camera.
It came with no camera app, because the front camera really isn't intended for photography. It's there so you can take advantage of Google Hangouts, which I assume the quality should be good enough for that (haven't tried myself).
My only complaint about the camera is that it really should be angled down slightly. You have to hold the tablet very awkwardly to get the camera to center on your face.
Quite honestly, I really don't think of the front camera. The camera quality and speed shouldn't really be a con, what were you expecting for $200? It has a Tegra 3 and a IPS Display, which cost over $100 alone.
Learn something new everyday, a tegra 3 is camera hardware. Also the commercial s shoeing face time are no where near the quality in real life
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Wow you are horribly misinformed.
Firstly, the words "flagship" and "Nexus" don't correlate to meaning the same thing. This way of thinking represents a terrible misinterpretation of what the Nexus program actually is.
Secondly, you have to realize that the Nexus 7 tablet is aimed squarely at the cheaper end of the tablet market. Google set out to introduce a 200 dollar quad-core tablet, and they succeeded. To do this, cuts in other areas needed to be made. One of these areas is the cheaper sensor in the front-facing camera, and the lack of a rear camera. Now, I myself feel that the front camera is perfectly acceptable for video chatting in G+ hangouts (its intended feature, and the one feature of the camera that is touted prominently in the features list). If you wanted a tablet that could take amazing pictures of yourself or other things, you bought the wrong tablet.
And by the way, just for sake of clarity...Google did not strip the camera apk from the Nexus 7. They simply did not give you a shortcut for it. This is all MoDaCo's app in the Play Store does...unlocks the shortcut for the camera software and places it into your app tray. That's it.
At the end of the day, this is a 200 dollar tablet.
Wow! :banghead:
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Such a poor misinformed person. Please let your friends know that you can video chat in high quality using Google Talk and Google+, both on the device by default.
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And also, you said Google Talk doesn't work? Is this a troll post?
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I have a handful of tablets, including an iPad1 and iPad2. I can honestly say that I probably never had the need to take a picture with any of them. Cell phones have higher quality cameras and are much more portable/accessible. The FFC on the Nexus 7 is intended to be used specifically for video chatting which you can use either Google+ or Google Talk. A camera app wasn't included because any video chat service you use is all you need.
The reference to Google Talk is a stupid video chat service name, well, you have to imagine that Google Talk was around LONG before video service. Video conferencing wasn't originally its main function (and still isn't). It is a chat service app that simply support video.
Video Chatting is great but not useful on a day to day basis. The back camera is a useless tool for a tablet.
I guess this is dumb, but I see nothing called "google talk" on mine. So it's better to tell them to look for "talk"
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Such a poor misinformed person. Please let your friends know that you can video chat in high quality using Google Talk and Google+, both on the device by default.
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Stop with the whole camera drama in this forum already. Most consumers don't need one since they have point and shoots or a smartphone. It's a non-issue that everyone should put to rest. And this thread is also a troll thread as well since he keeps mentioning face time which is an Apple product.
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who really needs a camera an a tablet? I'm glad they left it out. The front facing camera works just fine with Skype.
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Who the hell takes pictures with a tablet anyway? You'd look ridiculous and frankly, I'd probably run up and kick you in the nuts if I saw you trying to do it (figuratively speaking, of course). Quit your damn *****ing already, it got real old real quick.
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who really needs a camera an a tablet? I'm glad they left it out. The front facing camera works just fine with Skype.
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This. People taking pictures and videos with iPads and other tablets look like douchbags anyway.
I have the One X to take pictures if need be.
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This. People taking pictures and videos with iPads and other tablets look like douchbags anyway.
I have the One X to take pictures if need be.
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Now that you mentioned it there seems a direct correlation between people who use tablets to take pictures and people who make camera troll threads.
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Now that you mentioned it there seems a direct correlation between people who use tablets to take pictures and people who make camera troll threads.
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I appreciate all the response, I wanted to be clear on somethings which many focused on, I am not complaining about the camera Megapixel quality itself. Or what do I expect from a $200 tablet. Its the fact that, Google does not want the majority of people video chatting. When the devices is perfectly capable of this more so than a simple iPod Touch. Facetime has become, a verb now, and Android needs a response. Why Google is deliberately blowing an opportunity, is not by mistake. On Campus at work everywhere, almost overnight I see as many Nexus 7's as iPad's. Not many people want to risk a $600 iPad but a $200 tablet is a take everywhere thing. Even places not in class where you dont need an iPad the Nexus 7 is there. But Google does not want you to embrace Facetime like Apple has given people the opportunity to. Probably why the video chat feature is hidden away in a program called TALK. Anyways in response to MMcCraryNJ who says MoDaCo just links to the Camera apk, its not stripped this is even worse. I thought the camera was just a poorly developed 3rd party Ap. And lets not even care about the Visual quality, Have the CPU and GPU help out theres no reason. Its should run so choppy. And if they don't want people using which is why they left out the Icon for a $200 tablet why include one ? If the sensor is so bad, no matter what its gonna deliver what feels like 10 frames a second choppyness. I can't post links yet but just add whats missing to the begining, the Nexus 7 would be a perfect Mom and Pop device for FaceTime (I know FaceTIme is Apple but Android needs a catchier name) or for GrandDads or Grandmas who are not ready for a Smartphone or want to spend $500 on an iPAd. Its the perfect demographic, and yet Google does not want you doing this especially on a perfect devices for it. And it would not cost them extra or 5 cents more per sensor, its software thats not working right, and that they don't want to make user friendly.
youtube.com/watch?v=R8qtjT-pioM&playnext=1&list=PL390E25B9AA821DB7&feature=results_main
I can just imagine similar Nexus 7 adds would be a hit.
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Thanks for the review, it looks like a decent camera under the more extreme tests you performed. I say this as most would use the cam for hangouts or Skype only.
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Having used it for some video chat, this camera is barely even suitable for that. Unusable indoors under low light conditions.
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I can understand the image quality suffering in doors with low lighting, but why would the frame rate drop so much? That seems like a glitch/software issue.
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I can understand the image quality suffering in doors with low lighting, but why would the frame rate drop so much? That seems like a glitch/software issue.
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I agree. It was not what I had anticipated. I'm pretty fluent in cameras and photography, and there isn't really any reason for the camera hardware to do this, it's obviously software related. I plan on trying other apps to get a better handle on things.
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Please keep us posted when your app on the Play store is updated for the Nexus 7.
There is no camera app on my nexus 7. How do I click pics n take videos ?
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There is no camera app on my nexus 7. How do I click pics n take videos ?
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Search for Camera Launcher in the Play Store.
Its pretty good for what it is
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I'd agree that the camera is good for what it is. It's definitely only viable for things along the lines of skype and google hangouts. It seems to have an issue with autofocusing as well but that could be software.
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Please keep us posted when your app on the Play store is updated for the Nexus 7.
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My REVTV app is fully capable on the Nexus 7.
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I agree. It was not what I had anticipated. I'm pretty fluent in cameras and photography, and there isn't really any reason for the camera hardware to do this, it's obviously software related. I plan on trying other apps to get a better handle on things.
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Could it be using some sort of frame-averaging algorithm in an attempt to reduce noise? Like take (30/7=4.29) four frames and average the noise out giving one good frame per four samples?
Thanks reverendkjr
Quality looks quite good.
I have Tango video call app installed on the Nexus 7 and on my Galaxy Note - comparing them side by side, looking at my face, there is more sharpness and detail from the Nexus 7 video (whether I'm using WiFi or 3G on Note), and I had always thought the Galaxy Note did quite well with its front-facing camera (certainly is better than the iPad 3!).
So I think Google has done a good job with this front camera - 1.3 MP vs. the Galaxy Note 1.9 MP.
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Thanks reverendkjr
Quality looks quite good.
I have Tango video call app installed on the Nexus 7 and on my Galaxy Note - comparing them side by side, looking at my face, there is more sharpness and detail from the Nexus 7 video (whether I'm using WiFi or 3G on Note), and I had always thought the Galaxy Note did quite well with its front-facing camera (certainly is better than the iPad 3!).
So I think Google has done a good job with this front camera - 1.3 MP vs. the Galaxy Note 1.9 MP.
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I plan on taking a look at Tango, Skype, etc on this device in a later video. I had no idea that the Galaxy Note camera was 1.9MP. What an odd size.
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Search for Camera Launcher in the Play Store.
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Thanks, found the modaco camera launcher !
BTW on Skype the video quality is quite bad with a quality setting of high. On the same wifi connection, my galaxy nexus n laptop work fine.
Thanks great video!
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Thanks, found the modaco camera launcher !
BTW on Skype the video quality is quite bad with a quality setting of high. On the same wifi connection, my galaxy nexus n laptop work fine.
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I just did a test Skype video chat with a co-worker.
Ewww.... Looks terrible.
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I just did a test Skype video chat with a co-worker.
Ewww.... Looks terrible.
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exactly my point - not sure if this is a skype issue or a nexus 7 issue! i thought i could use this to skype when i am at airports, etc as i travel a lot. Unfortunately no, i am back to using my huge laptop or the tiny screen of galaxy nexus!
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exactly my point - not sure if this is a skype issue or a nexus 7 issue! i thought i could use this to skype when i am at airports, etc as i travel a lot. Unfortunately no, i am back to using my huge laptop or the tiny screen of galaxy nexus!
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I'm getting similar results when using skype on different wifi networks. I think it may be a camera driver issue. Not sure. I haven't tried it with Tango or any other app just yet.
^^ has anyone tried with google hangouts or gtalk video or something? I am sure google tested this on atleast their own video services before launching the product. Skype does not officially support nexus 7 yet so it could be just a skype issue
Hey guys, been watching a few videos on the Nexus 4 now and one thing that has really impressed me so far is the video recording, and more specifically the microphone when recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IZIG-YnLhE
Just thought I'd shove this video here, im sure some of you have seen it already but is it just me or is the microphone really clear?
Im currently using the iPhone 4s and the microphone isn't as good as this. The video is a little shaky but I'm sure if mounted on a tri-pod (with an adapter of course) it should work fine.
Edit, then again, this video says otherwise.. http://youtu.be/M4CbYXKxj6I
The microphone is average, but the frame rate overwhelms it on the negative side.
Can anyone mod a 30fps video or is the problem of 22fps , in the sensor itself ?
The sensor IS capable of 30fps (even more). Software isn't taking full advantage of the sensor. Maybe on a more recent build the problem is already fixed, but no one on more recent builds posted an unedited video
Wat sensor does it have?
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I take my Atrix 2 as a benchmark, and since it's a phone from end-2011, for progress' sake, the N4 should beat it hands down.
Sound-wise, the Atrix 2 does near camcorder-quality and beats the N4 by a long shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ii2Q7FJ5bA
Image-wise, the N4 looks good. Remember that youtube videos are often compressed badly and stutter on their own. It is sharp and there's plenty of details, judging from the op's second link, but the framerate is poor. My Atrix2's recording frame rate is always 30 fps, and image quality is just a tad worse.
So may I ask google, is it that difficult to do, with top-notch hardware, what motorola did 1 year ago with now-outdated chips?
Doesn't youtube cap videos at 30fps?
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Doesn't youtube cap videos at 30fps?
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Nope, It reinterprets higher framerates into 30frames, unless the slowmotion effect is going to be employed, in which case it keeps the extra frames. What looks to be the problem is the recording refresh rate. The output of the codec file is always going to be a standard (24/30 in NTSC, 25 in PAL), whether or not there are actual frames there, is determined by the refresh rate.
My point is that youtube isn't going to reinterpret the video and change the framerate.
What is wrong with the FPS?
This phone just gets worse :\
Im more interested in the mic. In some videos its decent, others its terrible?
The video looks fine, stop complaining. Do I have to go on about the price like everyone does?
This is going to be a hard week, I have to use an iPhone, sold my SGS2 ):
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The video looks fine, stop complaining. Do I have to go on about the price like everyone does?
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No, it doesn't.
You can go on about the price, but you'll still be wrong, since other devices at a lot of pricing ranges are able to maintain 30fps video recording.
And since not everyone is able to buy from the Google Market (there's a thing called "rest of the world"), and price outside is REALLY higher, you'll be double wrong.
As said a lot around, seems to be a software bug, making the camera module basically "take a lot of photos" instead of "making a video". The camera itself IS able to do [email protected] and [email protected] The S4 processor and 2GB of RAM are more than capable of dealing with the support necessary.
Google/LG are likely to NOT fix it, but I hope someday the community here manages to.
Is it recorded in 1080p? If so I think it will look smooth in 720p.
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Google/LG are likely to NOT fix it, but I hope someday the community here manages to.
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Bet you lots of money that it's fixed on launch day - producing 30FPS videos like a champ. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE A FINAL VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE. And judging by the performance increase within the last few days on at least one N4 device, I'm going take an educated guess and say that Google are releasing software updates once every 2 or 3 days before the launch and my honest opinion is that Google are impairing things on purpose so that no one from the company runs off with a device and chucks it on eBay for quad profit.
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Bet you lots of money that it's fixed on launch day - producing 30FPS videos like a champ. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE A FINAL VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE. And judging by the performance increase within the last few days on at least one N4 device, I'm going take an educated guess and say that Google are releasing software updates once every 2 or 3 days before the launch (...)
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Well, I'm putting a few chips here. I sincerely hope you win, but I think the chances are abysmal that they care about such "secondary" stuff. They fixed the S4, I saw that benchmark. But no one commented about a camera fix.
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Now that was just tinfoilhatted.
So I read an article a while ago about how Google is really pushing for dev's to build more tablet optimized apps, I also read comments all over the place about how there's no good tablet apps etc..
I've only had my Nexus 7 for a month or so now but I haven't yet come across an app I use which isn't tablet optimized.. Falcon Pro for Twitter, Google+, Flipboard, Feedly to name a few..
I'm a dev and am looking to build my first tablet focused app but I don't want to clutter the market with needless imitations.. Am I missing something and there's an area you guys find particularly lacking or, was this issue just grossly over exagerated?
Totally over exaggerated... Android apps scale nicely to any screen size anyway, so devs don't really have to do much if they don't want to.
This seems to be something that iPad users try to use as an argument against Android.
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It's 90% Apple spin.
Android applications are designed to support many any aspect ratio, and a single APK can support lots of different layouts, either tablet/phone, or even S/M/L/XL with all the buisness logic in shared classes.
In the Apple world, you have to buy the application twice, once for tablet aspect ratio and once for phones, and even then it's fixed to certain aspect ratios and sizes (hence the black bars problem in many iPhone apps when run on the iphone5).
Apple's solution is clearly very week, and they are keen to beat up Android over the fragmentation myth and lack of tablet apps myth, when the reality is, THEY are the ones with all the scalability problems....
I'll second that.. granted, I'm only on a 7" Nexus 7, but I haven't noticed anything like I did when upscaling an iPhone app on my iPad.. My N7 apps all look good, bar none.
Here's an example: Facebook. That app, up until the latest update, was incredibly slow and terrible. Now they made it faster, but it sucks to use in landscape view. Friendcaster is also a poor substitute, all 3rd party Facebook apps have problems.
XDA doesn't scale well. In fact the "tablet" version is worse than the regular one.
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In the Apple world, you have to buy the application twice, once for tablet aspect ratio and once for phones, and even then it's fixed to certain aspect ratios and sizes (hence the black bars problem in many iPhone apps when run on the iphone5).
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That is pretty much completely incorrect, the majority of iOS apps are universal but just like in the Android market there are apps that are for tablets only, that is completely up to the developer's discretion. iOS apps only have a fixed number of resolutions to handle and any quality, well maintained app will handle all the resolutions. Yes there is an issue or at least was with a lot of iPhone apps not supporting the iPhone 5's extra screen size but what do you expect them to do instead of the black bars until support is provided just scale/stretch the UI to fit?
Apple's solution is clearly very week, and they are keen to beat up Android over the fragmentation myth and lack of tablet apps myth, when the reality is, THEY are the ones with all the scalability problems....
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There is a shortage of tablet apps in the Android market, you can't deny it. There are some apps that look gorgeous on a tablet like Plume, the stock Google apps, baconReader & gReader Pro but there are a lot of apps that aren't tablet optimized that look like crap like all weather apps for example.
I do love my Nexus 7 but I have found there to be a shortage of quality tablet apps, I've looked all through the market and only a small number of apps are good enough for me to keep installed where on my iPad I have a ridiculous number of apps that all look gorgeous and fully support the tablet interface with the only app that doesn't being Speedtest.net.
What exactly are you thinking "tablet optimized" means? There's no argument that apps designed for phones will scale up and fill the nexus7's screen without blurring and pixelation. What I think it being optimized for a tablet means is a new layout to better use the available screen space. I suppose in many cases, this would be just including an extra pane in the app that helps to navigate or provide buttons for common functions.
Android was never the place to go when it comes to "High Quality Apps"
Its clear that Apple has that down pact all the way. That also explains why games operate and look so much better on the iOS side of the world.
Im not a troll or against Android in any way. But its clear as day. Im currently on the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 and although there are a good handful of quality games and apps, theres no where near the number of high quality games on iOS.
The game department and "Quality" department is an area that Google could step up on. BUT, with Android on so many different devices made by so many different companies with so many screen size / resolutions / CPU and GPU SOCs. The quality will never be up there with iOS since those apps are geared twords about 4 different phone "iphone 3 - 3s - 4 - 4s - 5 and the small number of tablets ipad 1 - 2 - 3 - mini ect....
Android is much better at scaling apps for different sizes/resolutions than iOS. iOS has alot more apps that aren't optimised for the retina display. When it comes to the quality of the app though.....iOS is only 1 device whereas android has too much fragmentation.
There are exceptions obviously....i'm not a big fan of the twitter and youtube apps the way they are on the tablet now. Youtube was better with it's 3d carousel than the stretched phone app. Twitter is just twitter, they don't want too much hassle for so many devices.
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Android is much better at scaling apps for different sizes/resolutions than iOS. iOS has alot more apps that aren't optimised for the retina display. When it comes to the quality of the app though.....iOS is only 1 device whereas android has too much fragmentation.
There are exceptions obviously....i'm not a big fan of the twitter and youtube apps the way they are on the tablet now. Youtube was better with it's 3d carousel than the stretched phone app. Twitter is just twitter, they don't want too much hassle for so many devices.
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Couldnt have said it any better!!!!
".iOS is only 1 device whereas android has too much fragmentation."
I like my Nexus 7, but when the funds come available Im try to pick up a iPad or IPMini.
Wow lots of great replies so it seems it was highly exaggerated.. I think tho based on the comments maybe instead of tablet optimized I just meant tablet apps in comparison to the ipad.. I've never used one for any period of time so I couldn't determine what's missing or we don't have.. Someone mentioned a weather app.. Also I agree the xda app is really wasted on a Nexus 7..
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I don't think there's much need in tablet-specific (a.k.a. HD) apps since most of the normal apps still look good and are pretty much usable on the tablet. Best example would be XDA app - the regular version still looks and works nice on N7, same as phone - just stretched out on the full screen and there's no pixelization unlike like iPhone apps on iPad
In case of iOS there are universal apps that are optmized for both iPhone and iPad displays + you only have to pay for the app once on one device and then just install it on the other one (kinda like Cross-Buy with PS3 and PSVita), but if an app is NOT universal - then you'll have troubles with awfully pixelized app on the iPad or you'll have to use the app strictly on one device, this is especially sad when "HD" version has some unique features that a regular one does not
So the so-called problem actually doesn't exist on Android but it does on iOS
At least I haven't seen a single app that would look wrong or pixelized or whatever on a tablet compared to how it would on a phone
It is definitly highly exaggerated. Granted. There are veryyyyyy few that actually aren't. Only one I've noticed so far is glass tower 3+
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not exaggerated,
but I feel like at this point, there should be more tablet optimized/designed apps. the iOS store has wayyyyy more tablet optimized apps.
A lot of android developers just scale up the phone app and don't utilize basic UI philosophy to make the app more tablet friendly. oh well who cares? the N7 is still great.
Clearly there is a lack of understanding what "tablet optimized" even means. Those who say things like "iOS store has wayyyyy more tablet optimized apps" is implying that for an app to be tablet optimized it needs to be coded to work ONLY on tablets or some other such nonsense (maybe it needs to merely say "Tablet version" in the title?) The whole concept of "tablet optimization" is different...COMPLETELY different between iOS and Android.
As a few pointed out and many still don't seem to get, Android *can be* coded to work with multiple screen formats. From as small as a 320x200 craptastic whatever device to resolutions higher than the "retina" display (eg. Nexus 10) and look PERFECT in every resolution. How scalable and "optimized" the app is to the tablet world is up to the developer. Most apps I use work just fine on my Galaxy Nexus as they do on my Nexus 7 as they did on my Evo 3D before that. By "just fine" I mean they looked nice, responded correctly, and seemed pretty F-ing "optimized" to me.
I've never understood why this is SOOOO hard for people to get? Crack open pretty much any beginning Android programming book and go to the part that talks about UI development and you will see exactly what I'm talking about. It's not a hard concept to get.
Perhaps it's just easy to ***** about a lack of tablet optimized apps though... I would say ignorance is bliss...but seriously, ignorance is ignorance. Do some research!
I've tried around ~100 apps and games now from the play store and I can't think of any that stood out as being poorly fitted to the screen etc. Personally I think it's a non issue.
ETA: also Paranoid Android rom helps the formatting too IMHO.
Well... Yelp is one. Trip Advisor is another. So is eBay, Amazon, and countless others here. All are just big screened versions of a phone app, where there are simple lists of monolithic screens, requiring the same "back and forth" navigation that is required for a 3 or 4 inch screen.
You may not have a problem with this type of interface, but it is decidedly NOT tablet optimized.
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Well... Yelp is one. Trip Advisor is another. So is eBay, Amazon, and countless others here. All are just big screened versions of a phone app, where there are simple lists of monolithic screens, requiring the same "back and forth" navigation that is required for a 3 or 4 inch screen.
You may not have a problem with this type of interface, but it is decidedly NOT tablet optimized.
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I have to say both Amazon and EBay look great.
Maybe you would want a different format - but I can see nothing to improve.
I do use these apps in portrait mode (one-handed tablet holder here) - and they are not just scaled up from my phone version.
They fill the screen perfectly - no side-to-side scrolling.
In regards to apps you think the play store is lacking in for tablets, I think we could use a dedicated tablet music player so far the best I've seen is Select! Music Player, but it would really be nice to have a player in HD, with themes, and a built in equalizer.
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EBay and Amazon desktop websites work just fine on the Nexus 7. Optimizing online shopping sites for tablets as apps simply seems like a waste of effort to me.
Everything else I have used is perfectly scaled.
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I've currently got a rooted HTC sensation which I'm due to upgrade. My choice is between the HTC one and the galaxy s4, but my choice seems to come down to the camera quality. Is the one camera really as bad as the reviews suggest?
I havent got any examples that I can post but the quality seems much crisper that my previous device (Sensation)
Low light shots seem ok and auto-focus seems to work much quicker. Zoe is also a nice feature!
link to the review?
Why create a new thread? There's at least 3 threads talking about the camera....... :banghead:
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Check out THIS thread and make your own mind up, i personally don't have any problem with the camera quality.
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I've currently got a rooted HTC sensation which I'm due to upgrade. My choice is between the HTC one and the galaxy s4, but my choice seems to come down to the camera quality. Is the one camera really as bad as the reviews suggest?
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Are you just being lazy or just being a troll by opening a thread with a negative impact title? Hard to tell...Anyway, if really interested you could have looked at least at one photo thread which contains dozens of camera reviews.
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Are you just being lazy or just being a troll by opening a thread with a negative impact title? Hard to tell...Anyway, if really interested you could have looked at least at one photo thread which contains dozens of camera reviews.
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No need to be like that, that thread has loads of pictures from all the one series. Not specifically the new one. And the various reviews I've read seem to conflict, some saying it's okay, others stating it's useless. Hence me asking for anyone's first hand experience with the phone now it's been released.
Start at the last page and work backwards, plenty of user pictures from the One.
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No need to be like that, that thread has loads of pictures from all the one series. Not specifically the new one. And the various reviews I've read seem to conflict, some saying it's okay, others stating it's useless. Hence me asking for anyone's first hand experience with the phone now it's been released.
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Well, for serious photography I hang a DSLR around my neck and carry a couple of extra lenses in the backpack. For snapping a quick shot whilst I'm just pottering about or hanging with the guys the camera is far more than adequate.
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No need to be like that, that thread has loads of pictures from all the one series. Not specifically the new one. And the various reviews I've read seem to conflict, some saying it's okay, others stating it's useless. Hence me asking for anyone's first hand experience with the phone now it's been released.
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Sorry man but today we have already seen a topic closed for plane trolling and in this context your thread title seemed a little out of line especially since there are already lots of user pictures and opinions available, i needn't speak about dozens of reviews. Didn't mean to be rude but next time better check first what info is available and maybe select a more appropriate title.
In my opinion i was expecting the photos taken to be a bit better but i am also quite optimistic about the fact that software updates might turn it into an excellent smartphone camera.
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Sorry man but today we have already seen a topic closed for plane trolling and in this context your thread title seemed a little out of line especially since there are already lots of user pictures and opinions available, i needn't speak about dozens of reviews. Didn't mean to be rude but next time better check first what info is available and maybe select a more appropriate title.
In my opinion i was expecting the photos taken to be a bit better but i am also quite optimistic about the fact that software updates might turn it into an excellent smartphone camera.
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It's okay, not trying to bash the phone, just trying to find out which phone to upgrade to!
I saw that thread you're talking about and even commented a little, but unfortunately there were a couple of Samsung fanboys who turned it into a company vs company thread instead of just having unbiased comparisons between phones.
I don't have a decent camera, nor do I have the option to carry one around all the time since I'm normally dragging a couple of infants around with me, I'm not really an avid photographer either. I just want it to be at least as good as the one on my sensation since I do use it fairly regularly, but can't make my mind up on handset! I think I may have to just go into a phone shop and compare for myself.
Like I keep saying
The HTC One camera is an extremely well equipped camera, OIS, super fast shutter, low light ability, f2.0, wide angle lens, powerful macro ability, best HDR on phones, all combined gives a very powerful camera
However as usual with HTC it will still require manual efforts from ur side those camera settings are there to be used
Compared to your sensation its light years ahead of it, compared to the One X you loose something and gain something in return
Things to keep in mind always reduce sharpness in HTC cameras and for the One in specific auto enhance or contrast increase might be needed as well due to the extra light in its day light photos
But it's not match to the 13MP detail from the sgs4 camera purely in terms of resolution
I came from DHD, wife still has Sensation. We're in full agreement that the One takes much better pictures.
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I am in similar position. For me which phone I choose next will be down to camera. One thing I missed after iphone was the way you cam trim videos before sending to get correct file size. As far as I am aware only htc on android can do this - forward to 1145 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nQyOpixiU&feature=youtube_gdata_player.
I will no doubt get the one but camera is a worry as htc are not really promoting it in any adverts I have seen so far in uk. More blink and boom ?? Waiting for 64gb too but if we ever get it who knows ???
The camera thread is great but I am now info overloaded so really have to go test one in more depth.
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Do you use digital zoom or lot, or blow up pics after you make them? IMO, this is the weak point of the camera. It's lens is 28mm (35mm film equivalent) and you don't have the latitude to zoom that you would with more MP. Personally, I am more a telephoto guy than wide angle so it bugs me, but everyone is different.
(I decided to punt and keep my S3 for now. Camera plus questions on headphone audio. Mixed feeling though, as I really like the low light attributes and boomsound speakers.)
Just wait until release and judge for yourself and decide if it's really an amazing camera.
I have never, in too many years to mention, used a digital zoom. Never saw the point in stretching one sensor pixel to fill 4, 9, 16 or more final image pixels.
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Yeah, digital zoom is terrible regardless of the camera used. I do however sometimes zoom in on my photos, which I assume won't be much good with the one.
Afraid that zooming after the event won't get you anywhere with the One. Granted, although my phone's have progressed from being a phone/txt device that could play snake when I was bored all the way to a miniature computer that can make calls as well I've never viewed them as a camera replacement. Hell, you can get a little 8Mp snapper that's smaller then current headline phones for a fraction of the cost AND they've got optical zoom with a lense that retreats into the body of the camera when you put it back in your pocket.
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HTC One vs Samsung S3 - audio recording comparison
I have to say that after battery life (I knew from the moment the specs leaked, that 2300 mah wouldn't be enough) that the camera quality has been my biggest dissapointment, the phone has a HARD time focusing, the picture quality it's mediocre/sometimes decent and it really doesn't make sense since google is making a big deal out of the camera.
Check out the tag line for the nexus 5 on the play store: "Nexus 5 helps you capture the everyday and the epic in fresh new ways. It's the slimmest and fastest Nexus phone ever made, powered by Android 4.4, KitKat."
If you go the official nexus 5 website you will find lots of info about how good the camera is : http://www.google.com/nexus/5/
or the commercial ... it's all about the camera
Anyway, according to Joshua Topolsky, The Verge's Chief Editor, there's hope and we will get an update trying to fix what's broken, do you guys think it will really make a difference? Or is this camera simply a poor camera? Here's the quote:
"Representatives from the Android team say that software is to blame for the weak performance, not hardware, and reps tell me that a fix is coming to deal with the issues in the upcoming weeks. I've even seen an early build of the new software, and while it's only a minor improvement — autofocus is a hair faster, but still inconsistent, and picture quality hasn't changed — it's nice to see Google already at work.
Of course, there's no set date for a fix at this point, and I don't know how much the camera can actually be improved through software, but if the Moto X is any kind of example, there might just be a solution to this very disheartening problem."
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/4/5062724/google-nexus-5-review
I don't have any issues with the camera. The iverge is so pro apple it isn't even funny anymore
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I've found no quality issue, in fact the opposite, though focus is slow
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Used HDR+ and took great photos for me. Also, have seen The Verge post a bunch of BS, not sure why people even read that crap.
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ishamm said:
I've found no quality issue, in fact the opposite, though focus is slow
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This is the deal. The camera is quite good but the issue is the focus is too slow. They need to fix that part.
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The verge are right in this case. The focus is awfully slow. Google pioneered the instant capture feature on the galaxy nexus, dont know why they abandoned it on the nexus 4 and 5.
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I don't have any issues with the camera. The iverge is so pro apple it isn't even funny anymore
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That's just not true, and you are very biased, it seems. Like others have said, there is significant lag in the camera focus and my Nexus 5 can take much much better photos than my Nexus S, but not any faster. And that is not okay.
I get the impression that all the effort on the software side so far has gone into HDR+
My experience playing around with it is that HDR+ not only improves detail in bright/dark areas, but it also results in sharper images overall. (This is contrary to what I have found with other HDR implementations which have resulted in blurrier images). Of course sometimes you don't want to use HDR (Maybe you want to photograph a figure silhouetted against the sunset for example).
Whilst I didn't buy the N5 as a replacement for an SLR, hopefully the non-HDR mode can be improved. After all, the best camera is the one you have with you.
(I also agree regarding the camera focus. At the very least, an option to pre-focus would make a huge difference!)
Shutter is slow... but it takes decent shots
It's no secret that Google needs to work on their camera software.
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It's no secret that Google needs to work on their camera software.
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Working in a software company, I can imagine how this goes...
"Who wants to work on auto-awesome." - "Yay!"
"Who wants to work on photo-sphere." - "Yay!"
"Who wants to optimize the shutter lag." - "..."
Also, your lunch looks much nicer than my work canteen pizza
flonker said:
Used HDR+ and took great photos for me. Also, have seen The Verge post a bunch of BS, not sure why people even read that crap.
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The same here, very surprised by picture quality in low light using HDR+ (for landscape mainly)... I mean im sure there are better cameras but for a phone im impressed
But i've a weird problem don't know if software or hardware but the camera app stay black screen when opened from the lock screen. it happened many times, i had to put my pin code kill the app and launch again to get the camera app working again.
Anyone got the same issue?
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This is the deal. The camera is quite good but the issue is the focus is too slow. They need to fix that part.
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As a result, it's turned my shots into unfocused poo
At least the shutterlag and slow focus should be fixable, though. I hope.
I'm not expecting Note 3-level of camera, but it'd be nice if we could have say... 70% of the Note 3's camera performance.
Here's one I took and then used Snapseed. The hw is quite capable. https://plus.google.com/101858146614640675194/posts/1jwmHP58BUk
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I'm finding the camera very usable with good results.
However, try using video mode and pinch to zoom. Does this cause Camera to freeze for seconds for others, either recovering eventually or crashing out?
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Apolyxon said:
That's just not true, and you are very biased, it seems. Like others have said, there is significant lag in the camera focus and my Nexus 5 can take much much better photos than my Nexus S, but not any faster. And that is not okay.
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haha, I am about as unbiased as they come. I have all apple everything including an iPhone 5, macbook pro, apple tv's, Droid Maxx and now Nexus 5. I have no brand loyalty at all. Let me make myself clear to you, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE CAMERA OR THE QUALITY OF THE IMAGES THAT COME FROM IT.
I hope that is clears things up for you. And by the way, everything I said is my own opinion. I never said you didn't have issues, I said I wasn't having issues. As for the iVerge, that is pretty common knowledge.
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haha, I am about as unbiased as they come. I have all apple everything including an iPhone 5, macbook pro, apple tv's, Droid Maxx and now Nexus 5. I have no brand loyalty at all. Let me make myself clear to you, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE CAMERA OR THE QUALITY OF THE IMAGES THAT COME FROM IT.
I hope that is clears things up for you. And by the way, everything I said is my own opinion. I never said you didn't have issues, I said I wasn't having issues. As for the iVerge, that is pretty common knowledge.
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Since you have those items, why don't you compare the camera shutter lag to those other phones?
You can always say that for you it's not a problem - and that might very well be as you say, but you'll never be able to deny that there might be people that want to capture "that moment" and with that lag it's just infeasible.
If your camera does not have any worse lag than say the iPhone 5s, please make a video so we can see for ourselves.
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Since you have those items, why don't you compare the camera shutter lag to those other phones?
You can always say that for you it's not a problem - and that might very well be as you say, but you'll never be able to deny that there might be people that want to capture "that moment" and with that lag it's just infeasible.
If your camera does not have any worse lag than say the iPhone 5s, please make a video so we can see for ourselves.
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I have no problem capturing the moment, but I am also a photographer as well so I have learned to anticipate.
Again, I don't need to make video's or prove to you, I have said FOR ME, I have ZERO issues with the camera. It is fine by me.
Definitely needs to be fixed.
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Since you have those items, why don't you compare the camera shutter lag to those other phones?
You can always say that for you it's not a problem - and that might very well be as you say, but you'll never be able to deny that there might be people that want to capture "that moment" and with that lag it's just infeasible.
If your camera does not have any worse lag than say the iPhone 5s, please make a video so we can see for ourselves.
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The shutter lag is insane for a phone with these specs. I used Camera FX and it's much better, but all the images come out very dark.
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I have no problem capturing the moment, but I am also a photographer as well so I have learned to anticipate.
Again, I don't need to make video's or prove to you, I have said FOR ME, I have ZERO issues with the camera. It is fine by me.
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Look this thread is about issues with the Nexus 5's camera. What good are you doing when you tell people "It's not that bad guys! You just have to anticipate the 1-2 seconds lag, I learned it too!"
It's just ignorant to tell people there is no issue with the camera at all, because you yourself can work around the lag issue. You do see that this might annoy people, especially normal users?