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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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Everything you just said is highly subjective. I love my screen. I think it's great. You may look at it and say its washed out and generally inferior. If you can't post pictures, there's nothing anyone here can do to help you sir. Some people undoubtedly are coming from ultra-high-end screens and will find this one lacking. Most, I think, do not.
My camera doesn't pick it up well but the Black's are not all that dark. I just thought the colors would be a little more saturated. This screen really doesn't look much better than a nook tablet. Its got higher resolution but the color and gamma and blacks are about the same. I guess I will find out once the replacement comes due to the touch issues.
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I've owned many different devices and my n7 is a bit washed out but not bad given the price. Hoping nice more dev builds up we can start playing around with fine tuning the screen
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The screen is easily the Nexus 7's weakest link, but considering the price... it's awesome. It took a little bit to get used to coming from the iPad 3 and its absolutely glorious screen, but I couldn't be happier with my N7.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed the screen. My biggest problem though is the occasional unresponsiveness of the touchscreen. I'll check on the differences when I get a replacement sent to me. Thanks all for the replies
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I only notice the screen not looking great when I turn down the brightness to about 10-20%. On full brightness it looks amazing though...but I can deal with a little less than vibrant colors on my day-to-day use in order to extend the battery life.
Just glad we have 1280 vs the 1024 the Galaxy Tab 2 7 is using which is just a no go.
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Jayrod1980 said:
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
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Have you played the Transformers movie at 30% to 50% brightness because I was blown away by the display when I did that?
The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
I personally love mine. The screen doesn't blow me away but it isn't bad at all. I would appreciate the screen more if I didn't own a One X
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Same for me, if I didn't own a HTC One X, this would be the best screen I've owned on an android device.
But the fact I have a Motorola Xoom too, my Nexus 7 screen is much better!
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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Ok, I'll agree here on auto brightness.
It was also too dull & washed out for me.
However, 50% fixed brightness is actually very bright and makes the colours great in my opinion.
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Are colors better on tab 2 7.0?
Nexus 7 has no green
Two things I've noticed about my screen so far, that makes me wonder if we're dealing with defective screens rather than just plain poor quality ones.
First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
Second, this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like the brightness setting of the Nexus is purely software after around the halfway mark. You can easily see the backlight ramping up from 0-50% but beyond that just seems to be a gamma change, which doesn't brighten the screen at all and instead just washes it out further.
If anyone could follow up on these and post their own tests we might be able to get a better idea of where the real issues with this tablet lie. Or whether mine is just a little bit more broken than everyone else's.
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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Well, mine still looks amazing. I have a Super AMOLED Plus screen on my Galaxy Note, this looks pretty darn close.
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First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
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That's normal.
Edit: My Display Solution is : FauxClock. It has gamma correction and color tweaking. It's a paid app but it's inexpensive and def with it.
You can follow Faux123 work on the Nexus for kernel development as well as it rocks but not necessary for the color/gamma tweaks.
His thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008222
Hey Nexus 4 Community,
I've read endless articles about how the Nexus 4 display is inferior to the iPhone and is bland and gamma raised way too high. I'm a photo-enthusiast, tech fanatic, and work in the field of mobile apps. With that said, I'd have to agree that the screen is amazing but has many short falls that it quiet frankly shouldn't.
I've dealt with screens from the old Palm Pilot Days (For those of you who remember the Treo ), TFT screens, Amoled (Or Super Amoled as Samsung so articulately imaged, and now IPS. I've dealt with high PPI's, to well... BlackBerry's. In the end, and after my last Galaxy Nexus... I took the screen out of the box and I was blown away with the sharpness and detail. Once that wow factor subsided I then got hit with the "Ummm..." factor of the washed out effect. I was one of the few that got mine from T-Mobile. I've experienced Google in the past shifting colors on releases and it's very frustrating to say the least.
I did some reading-up on tests and internet reviews and apparently our phone (the Nexus 4) actually has a better contrast rating and blacker blacks then even the iPhone 5. But, that doesn't make sense because I have an iPhone 5 (well, my girlfriend does actually) and I "went in" on details and video's to see which screen looked better. The colors in comparison on the Nexus 4, were off. The colors seemed so much more rich on the iPhone 5 as well. Now, trust me, I'm no iSheep. However I do appreciate quality. My Digital lenses (particularly my 85mm 1.4) in my Nikon collection afford me the ability to truly appreciate the low light shooting and quality of what true imagery can render in a photo.
It frustrates me to no end that Google hasn't gotten it right yet on this one. And I do emphasize yet, however I truly believe it's going to take one of you geniuses to actually get this screen calibration corrected. I *do* believe our screen is better then the likes of the Galaxy S3 (though opinions come into play here as some people like the Amoled saturation better) and even the iPhone line-up. I've personally tested the sharpness to be greater than both. With the right game adjustments and color calibration I know this can be done.
I'm not complaining...(well maybe a lil) I love my phone. Best Nexus device to date, IMO, as I've had them all less the Nexus One. I just want to use it at its true potential. I remember tweaking my Nexus S with Voodoo drivers and that made a lot of difference. I've even used FauxClock which I can appreciate for its color tweaking ability on the kernels, including the Nexus 4 one rooted, but I still need game control. I certainly hope if google fails to correct this display issue that someone here gets it right.
Well, that's my rant... oh yeah and one more thing. Those that question those of us who do complain about the washed out look. It's a bit insulting to hear that we are used to certain devices (such as Amoled) as there are so many devices to compare our screens to and unfortunately most give ours that washed out feel. It's unfortunate to have what I believe to be one of the best screens on the market and be hindered like this. Everyone has the right to their opinion and if you like the screen as is... you're not alone as many do, including me. But it can be better. That I know.
In hopes of the Nexus 4 to its utmost potential,
Rome
(PS. All of our phones are slightly different in regards to the screens, so what might be slightly greener on mine might be a touch more red on yours. Just remember that everyone's experience differs.)
Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
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Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
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Hi and thanks for the recommendation. I have tried that and it distorts the colors even worse for me over 255 making all of my white yellow.
My colors currently aren't horrible or anything but could use improvement but more over I'm even more interested in the gamma to be lowered so blacks on the app page and over all color isn't as washed out.
Thanks for taking time to try and help though. Its appreciated.
Rome
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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That would be awesome. I'll be looking out for that. Thanks for the info.
Rome
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.
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The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.
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My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole "we are used to amoled" crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Chad_Petree said:
Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64014163/DSCN0649.JPG
romeoliny said:
My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole we are used to smiled crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).
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here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64014163/DSCN0649.JPG
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Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).
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I see what you mean. From the picture it also appears you're dealing with the yellow tinting as well. But the blues are of for sure. My blue seems a bit on the purple side. I played a video by Katy Perry (the one with the blue hair on vevo in hd to see the resolution/quality) on my nexus 4 vs the iPhone 5 and to my surprise I was paying more attention to the colors being so misrepresented I forgot I was comparing sharpness.
Then I checked other videos and i noticed more and more. I guess all of our phones are of in different ways. Sort of complicated the matter further I'd imagine.
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Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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yup don't know what to do is this yellow tinted problem hardware or software related?
I'm not picky about colors or displays as long as i can see in bright sunlight. Usually in a dark room at night i notice very faint backlight bleed from the top when screen is dark black @ 30-50% brightness, like in some older LED notebooks.
Hi, can you also compare the whites and sharpness on iPhone 5 and nexus 4 respective screens. I really love reading text on beautiful white screen of iPhone 4S.
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Francisco's work for the GNex was brilliant, including a good bit of calibration tools. He'll get there (he hasn't even received his N4 yet!).
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Supercurio is the man we want working on our screens. He's done absolute magic in the past
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I'm cross-posting my reply to this thread here because it touches on the differences in displays and what I've observed.
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I've heard from a lot of more educated folks and some devs how the common "washed out screen" complaint your seeing is not really accurate at all. Many of us (especially coming from Samsung phones) are used to those SAMOLED displays which oversaturate the colors. The colors you will see on a high quality IPS display like the Nexus 4 are actually a true representation of what they are supposed to look like. At first it is going to appear weird and "washed out" to you, but after adjusting a bit you should be able to appreciate that you are seeing the colors the way they were designed, by Google, to be viewed. Just some info I wanted to pass along
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I'm sorry, but I'm really going to have to beg to differ on this. When I got my Nexus 4 and showed it the my girlfriend next to my Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch Long Name phone, she instantly said, "The old one looks a lot better." I told her that the SAMOLED screen was merely hyped up because of all the usual reasons, but the difference DID bother me. I told myself, "No, this is more natural. It's not washed out. You're just used to the old screen," but I can't do it any longer. My screen IS washed out; it IS inaccurate. I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'm a semi-pro photographer (meaning I've made money from my work, but it's not my day job; see my stuff here) and thus really picky about image quality and fidelity. I also used to be a DVD reviewer for a couple of major sites and had to calibrate my home theater setups to properly grade A/V quality. I just recalibrated my main computer's display - a Dell UltraSharp U2410 IPS-panel connected via DisplayPort using a GretagMacbeth Eye-One Match 3 calibrator - and compared my current wallpaper (NSFW, so not linked; skin tones are a good source to judge because of the subtleties of complexions) from mine and other Flickr users work and the differences are there and problematic. I even dug out my OG EVO 4G to compare because it was its too-cool/bluish display that paled (no pun) in comparison to the GS2 was what made me thunk down $500 to buy the latter unsubsidized. I had to use the Movie setting in Display properties to get the least-hyped picture because Standard and Vivid were just acid-trip crazy.
Compared to the GS2, the N4's colors are flatter, paler and washed out, especially in highlights on skin which are getting close to being blown out to white. It looks cooler until you throw the EVO into the mix and see what really cool, bluish color cast looks like. When looking at all three, the GS2 looks the closest to the PC monitor; the N4 is clearly less saturated and skewed toward yellow (note: I do NOT see the yellow color cast on pure white that others have reported; it just looks like more red is needed); the EVO looks really cool (blue).
Checking another photo (again NSFW; tanned partial nude woman in vivid magenta leather jacket) shows similar issues. The N4 is flatter in contrast and the highlights are blown out; the wall in back doesn't look creamy, but almost white; the jacket looks pink, not magenta; the burgundy wash on her hair is almost unnoticeable. I couldn't check with the EVO because it's having a cow about updating (gee, it's been offline for 14 months, could that be the problem?) but since it's obsolete, who cares? The GS2 looks really close to the monitor and the N4 doesn't.
Using the LCD test patterns here - LCD monitor test images - the most damning one isn't the Black Level one (browser color profiles seem to mess with it) or the Gamma test (all the phones look waaaay out of whack) but the White Saturation pattern which demonstrates how brighter values are rendering. On my computer, I can see the difference between 254 and the 255 background. The highest the N4 shows is 247, meaning everything from 248 on up looks the same as pure white, 248-254 = 255 = not good. The GS2 goes four steps up to 251 and the difference between getting 96.9% of the way and 98.4% makes a difference. As someone who usually shoots black-clad musicians in dimly-lit clubs with black walls, the difference of a few steps is the difference between seeing a guy in a black shirt in a black room playing guitar or seeing a floating guitar and arm. (This is an all-time worst case example.)
The hardest thing to do in publishing is color management and printers and pre-production houses spend thousands of dollars trying to get their workflow together so that what designers see on the screen will match what's on the page when it's printed. It is said that a man with one clock knows what time it is but a man with two clocks is never sure and what may look fine in isolation may suffer in comparison to something else. (Like how your significant other may be cute, but stand them next to the latest Sexiest Man/Woman Alive and you realize you're in a relationship with a mortal.) The trick is to determine what is CORRECT. For clocks, you get one of those atomic deals and set your watch to that. For displays, you color calibrate and use test patterns.
This is what I've done and while there is a element of personal taste involved - like when you adjust the tone controls on your sound system to boom the bass or whatnot - I'm not interested in preference, but accuracy, and the screen on my Nexus 4 simply isn't accurate. Maybe it's isolated bad unit; maybe it's an issue with 25% of units; who knows? All I know is that some people say it's washed out; others say it's as good as the best-in-class HOX; some try to rationalize what they're seeing by attributing it to the differences between LCD and SAMOLED; and I just want a faithful version of what's being displayed.
Have you tried adjusting using Franco's display control app? Should be able to get pretty close to what you want.
The N4 is already a way better screen than the N7 I'm typing this on.
Edit: A few seconds tweaking got the white level to 253. Gamma as you say is way off..
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I would, but for some reason Play is saying I don't have any qualifying devices and doesn't even show my N4 in the dashboard, so I'm SOL to even try it.
EDIT: Was able to buy it from my phone, but what settings do you use. The lack of even labels on the RGB sliders and no sample image makes tweaking difficult.
EDIT #2: I refunded it because there wasn't enough info to work with in just 15 minutes. I was able to randomly slide things around and get White Saturation block 251 to appear (up from 247) and at one point it almost appeared to get the skin tones on the ballpark, but time ran out. I still think a gamma tweak would do a lot to help as well.
I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors
After it's calibrated it looks nice. I had a mytouch which had the same screen as the desire(i think) and I very much prefer this screen. The top screens are: HOX, SIII, Note II, and iPhone 5.
What is the best way to calibrate the nexus 4 screen?
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I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to.
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The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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I read quite a bit about that in cell touch thing, I don't see anything floating myself buy it sounds fancy anyway. The colours do look accurate but not super vibrant as some say. It is calibrated.
I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
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It is in the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoDp2qRui0u0dGE4T2gtSDBTRHVFSldPS2RrX1Rya0E#gid=0
I simply tried a couple from the list, like the most different settings to see what direction I had to take for my display... And then when I found a good one, I tried to improve it with minor adjustments...
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.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
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Is this sarcasm?
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Is this sarcasm?
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No. He was being serious. I agree with him.
Or do I?
Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
xchasa said:
Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
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Which one is the best?
blackhand1001 said:
Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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!!!
Yes, quite terrible. Maybe Apple has a patent on properly calibrated displays! lol
Google has done incredibly bad in calibrating their own devices (starting from Galaxy Nexus -> Nexus 7 -> Nexus 4 and 10).
If you look at a gray scale gradient, instead of seeing: black -> dark gray -> light gray -> white, you see: black -> dark magenta -> green -> yellow. WTF???
What the heck did Google smoke???
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Kazliux said:
Which one is the best?
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iPhone 5 or HOX(+). Both are bright, with good contrast AND properly calibrated BY DEFAULT!
Androyed said:
The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It just has to be widely adapted. People said LCD had weird colors compared to CRT too. And now it is repeating hear with people used to seeing LCD all of their lives saying AMOLED looks weird. But in reality, AMOLED has a pretty wide palette and when viewing certain palettes get magnified when viewed next to a pool of dark black rather than a dark grey. Same thing applies to a really bright white, colors look more washed out than they really are when viewed next to a bright white. that is just the way the cells in our eyes work.
The LG Optimus G currently has my favorite mobile phone display though. For some reason it looks a lot better than the Nexus 4 display even though the screen is exactly the same. Might be software but it might be the wallpapers. Go check out an Optimus G with the wallpaper of the rocks or the colorful feathers, amazing.
The Nexus 10 display is also just wow too. It is gorgeous and probably the best mobile display ever. A 10 inch 300 ppi screen is as good as it sounds.
It does have a nice display if nothing is wrong with it. The quality is very happy inconsistent
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For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O
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For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O
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To say that the N5's screen is great because it's better than the Z1's isn't saying a whole lot. That's like calling yourself fast bc you're only the 3 slowest kid in gym class. I've had both phones and still currently have my N5. I do find the N5 screen to be dull compared to most phones I've used and compared. That being said, as you raise the brightness the screen does look much nicer. It seems the brightness levels have more to do with it than the actual quality of the screen. The Z1 is a great phone but one plagued by terrible viewing angles. The screen which is still quite nice, isn't the best part of the phone so I wouldn't use it as a base of comparison to build up the N5's screen. I don't put a lot of weight into those "complaint threads" because the phone costs $349-$400, for what you pay you get a pretty good phone.
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A lot of people confuse over saturation as a nice screen and natural as dull. Since you can't really test the difference on a phone, if your TV has a standard or vivid mode then throw it on that. Then throw the TV into movie mode. It would look dull at first but that is the closest picture to a calibrated level you will get out of the box. Once your eyes adjust to that picture, then try going back to standard mode. You will never be able to watch an over saturated fake picture again.
Look at the picture in a movie theater, you can call that dull as well but these is what natural and real life look like.
Now, if they boosted up the contrast, that would improve the screen.
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Anandtech review of this phone. Their reviews are almost absurdly detailed and they have lots of great, objective data.
Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.
The colours are fine it's the white balance that's off it's too warm.
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Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.
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You can have a "natural" colors and still have a "dull" or washed out screen. This isn't simply a case of AMOLED over saturation vs N5 and it's "natural" colors. My HTC Butterfly to me has the best screen I've seen. Mind you I own a 5S, Note 3, Butterfly S and N5 all currently. Its color reproduction, saturation, viewing angles and clarity to me best the others. The N5's colors are closer to "natural " then AMOLEDS however that being said is still on the dull side. The note has a clear, bright screen and tends to have improved the cartoonish saturation effect especially when in Movie Mode. Overall I think the N5's screen is OK but not my favorite.
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Her reviews make many of the big boys look like novice fanboys. She does in depth testing with LOTS of real world use reports. She takes the time to actually use these things and not be the first out the door with a review. Most importantly, she will put the screen under a scope so we can see what is going on. The nexus 5 screen to me looks amazing, very reminiscent of the calibration apple uses. Compared o the broken calibration that was the nexus 4, I think it is great.
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Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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fjavierm said:
Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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This wouldn't entirely surprise me. I've been scratching my heads about the threads about the yellow whites. I believe some people are experiencing it, especially since people have provided pictures. The white on my phone is a neutral or slightly cool white.
No yellow colors here. my xperia t has a more yellowish screen + is washed out a lot more
As far as I have used this device for a week, it seems color temperature is a bit too high. I hope there will be some kernels that has color temperature options.
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looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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There was already a calibration test done. There is a link somewhere in one of these threads. It tested that the N5 had the closest colors to reference out of all the phones they tested. Maybe someone will find the link and post it here. They also tested brightness and contrast.
It was the contest that is scored towards the bottom of all the phones they tested.
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Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
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Exactly. You can't go comparing Amoled against ISP. There two totally different technologies. When I compare the N5 to other ISP phones mine looks pretty damn good. Like any LCD though I will calibrate it to my taste once the kernels allow for that. This whole thread is literally "in the eye of the beholder."
I've seen 2 different Nexus 5 units here in Canada (at Virgin Mobile kiosks) and in both cases the colors were accurate and very good, though the
whites are a slight bit on the yellowish/warm side. Compared to an iPhone 5S, the whites on the 5S are brighter and cooler.
Well, the good news is that franco kernel is well under development (according to the original nexus development thread) and once it's complete, we should be able to use his app (Display Control) to calibrate the screen if we want to.
Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...s-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html
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Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
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Lol I read the article and wondered why it was written in English but read like the auther was drunk until I saw the web address and saw translate. Good read though, points are easily understood and sum up the comments of most.
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i think comparing the Z1 to N5 isnt fair anyway.
So what if the screen on the N5 is technically better? I've used both and...i didnt think the Z1 screen was that bad really. And viewing angles?
How many people use a personal device tilted to the sides? Most people are going to be looking straight at the thing when they're using it, 100% for me, it's a personal device and i'd be rather happy if others couldnt see whats on the screen.
And also "the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O"
really.
Feel sorry for the people who bought a very solid and well build phone?
Feel sorry for the people who dont have rattling buttons?
Feel sorry for the people who can happily drop it down a toilet and still have a functioning phone?
Feel sorry for the people who have a camera that's superbly better than the nexus 5?
Well done there mate.
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
OLED screens in general are more problematic displaying dark shapes of grey compared to IPS panels. This has to do with manufacturing tolerances of individual light-emitting pixels at low current. This, in particular, is the reason why most OLED panels employ PWM (flickering) to control brightness, applying higher current in short pulses compared to applying constant low current. If you search for "LG G Flex 2 screen uniformity", you'll see some pretty extreme example of this.
That said, with each individual OLED panel and depending on your personal tolerances, your luck may vary. My Mi 8 is very acceptable when displaying dark shades of grey (I don't notice the problem even if it is there). If you received my Mi 8, there is a chance you could spot the issue because your personal tolerance of the problem is lower than mine. My wife uses an LG G Flex 2 and never notices the (very real) problem with its display uniformity (I do!)
In other words, most users are happy with their displays, but it does not mean all of them got a perfect one.
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Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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That's right I have this issue on my note 9 too. My previous note 9 had this and devices in store had this.
Its normal.
anthroplus said:
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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"Aren't uniform" meaning you cannot tell the difference in the shades? Grey is a very challenging and controversial color for AMOLED. Use the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play and try the "Gamma detection" app when you have your device, you'll see it displayed horizontally. Swipe up and down (with the device of course held horizontally, or "landscape" mode) to change the brightness and look at how it displays grey at different brightness levels. Very weird huh?! It's perfectly normal.
I guess you can say it is a "grey area" for AMOLED...
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I would have to say you're in for quite a gamble. Most people aren't keen to spot "defects" on AMOLED displays. I am. Coming from a person who has owned many phones of both main screen technologies, I can tell you that the displays can vary even on identical devices. I've owned Galaxy devices with some having a red hue and others not, same when I had two Nexus 6, one had a slightly red hue and seemingly lower brightness at max, the other was perfect. Sometimes manufacturers have different facilities making the same screen, and differences arise. If you do get a replacement, you just have to hope it's from the better batch.
Now to get a better understanding, what do you mean when you say "aren't uniform?" Could you describe a little what you mean and where/when you notice the issue (e.g. videos, pictures, etc.)
Also, did you attempt to set a static color contrast within the Settings? The display does change tones automatically by default. According to the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play, it seems that our display does not support Wide Color Gamut. Some of the hues seem to be a tiny bit off according to it on my display, and this is coming from someone who owns a Mi 8 with a "perfect" AMOLED display.
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Every oled screen is uneven, clearly visible on dark gray backround in dark room. Even samsungs don't have perfect screens.
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That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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I have the same issue with pixel 2 xl
I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.
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I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.
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Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?
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Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?
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I bought the op6 with PayPal credit. I bought two and with the op6t coming I decided to sell them instead of paying the remaining balance. At first I intended to go with 6t but in the end I thought I'd try something different.
Since the Nexus 6p all of my phones have been stock/near stock. I thought I'd try something else. I like stock better because I feel there's a learning curve to miui if you're used to stock but overall I like the mi 8. I wish I would've waited for the mi mix 3 though. The sliding design is nice.
The full screen gesture navigation is the best button free navigation I've tried. I haven't used the buttons since nearly the beginning of owning it. It'll suck when I decide to use a non-xiaomi device. I didn't like OnePlus or stock gesture navigation
well i gotta say, i was afraid to get an bad Screen, too. Especially after reading threads like this. But i can say my screen is perfectly fine. even in lowest brightness. Yes The grays are not that gray as on the screen as on lcd, but thats the same with all amoled screens, and you only see it when u have the exact same app on an lcd screen beside your phone. For the rest its super fine.
Yeah. After 3+ months of using the phone, I’m learning to just enjoy it naturally without nitpicking details that don’t practically affect my everyday experience.
If we treat the phone like a baby, there’s an endless list of concerns.
But if you really just use it like you would (without analyzing scenarios that don’t come naturally), so many of these issues don’t matter at the end of the day.
I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)
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I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)
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That's exactly what I found.
Now, having said that, we don't use oled tools for practical purposes.
I basically don't notice the issue at all under normal use.
In other words, if I never did nitpick at first, 3 years of normal daily use could pass without me noticing the issue at all.