Long story short, i need to get to the Recovery Mode without using the hardware buttons.
My home button broke, i was trying to flash stock rom from pc odin (to sent it to warranty), and now i cannot setup my phone (i'am stuck at the welcome screen, some processes FC), maybe because i did not wipe data.
So, can i enter the recovery mode without the home button? Via abd commands?
I can only enter download mode as i do not need the home button.
Or, is there some way to wipe data / factory reset via download mode?
Flash simply wipe rom with pc odin.
But how can get.download mode without home button ?with jig?
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Flash simply wipe rom with pc odin.
But how can get.download mode without home button ?with jig?
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I can't seem to find that.
No, pull the baterry, insert it, then connect my phone (while turned off) to the pc + volume down. Doesn't work with volume up tho
Find on post #3 of first link on my.signature, you can find some wipe ROM there.
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That's odd, because that's the stock ROM i flashed ( N7000OXXLB3 ) .. But i think it did not wipe.
I will try to flash it again.
EDIT: Same thing, it seems to only format cache?
This is driving me nuts , am i screwed?
No, wipe.version.should wipe.data too.
Just confirm that rom is.wipe or not
Extract 1 step deep (to .tar) if you can see.data.img file is there, then only it is wipe rom.
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Thanks, let me try another ROM .
Ok , i'am a little stupid, did not see the (WIPE VERSION) all around the names of the ROMS lol . I will choose one of them
if you just want to go to recovery mode.. minus your hardware button... no need for all the hassles....
look for an app in google play called quick reboot... it needs root though but when you tap on that app.. one of the options there is recovery... you can boot your phone on recovery just by installing and simply using that app and with your phone(rooted)
He has already use pc odin to flash rom, so naturally.won't have root, and juat doing for warranty purpose, so i don't think he.shud flash custom kernel to get root.with pc odin, as in defected device, you can't take chance to raise counter.
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The thing is, i don't have access to the system, i'am stuck at the welcome screen.
I'm downloading a wipe ROM, i think it will be solved.
ok doc my bad... I missed some points there..
Forget to select csc?
Edit :Here its my bad, i thought above post was by op
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Finally a fully working phone , ready to go to warranty
Thanks!
Karl0s said:
Long story short, i need to get to the Recovery Mode without using the hardware buttons.
My home button broke, i was trying to flash stock rom from pc odin (to sent it to warranty), and now i cannot setup my phone (i'am stuck at the welcome screen, some processes FC), maybe because i did not wipe data.
So, can i enter the recovery mode without the home button? Via abd commands?
I can only enter download mode as i do not need the home button.
Or, is there some way to wipe data / factory reset via download mode?
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You can enter recovery with adb...enable usb debugging, plug the phone and open a cmd as admin in the pc. Then type: adb reboot recovery...Done!!
See above, i did not have access to the system
But it is solved now, thanks,
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Yesterday I have purchased used Samsung Galaxy S (not S2) from my friend which got locked.Too many pattern attempts! is what the message I'm getting. I was not able to access any thing, Except incoming calls.
Keep XDA forum in mind I have purchased it blindly, but after reading few threads in here I cant find any solution to unlock this.
So someone please help to get out of this, Provide me the solutions
Please remember
* I have never seen it Rom Version and Kernal Version
* Its not configured with gmail account. How ever i have tried few tricks to configure gmail account by making calls to locked phone. But failed.
* I have tried all different combination of keys to boot to recovery mode and FAILED !
So can some one let me know how do I flash my phone in this case !
Thanks in advance
Try searching here, mate:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1055
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Try searching here, mate:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1055
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Oops ! I have given wrong model number, The issue is with Samsung Galaxy S (not S2, Updated in request too.)
Please provide me solution for Samsung Galaxy S (Not S2)
Thanks for your time !
Flash stock samsung jvt and problem solved . Easy peesy.
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Mhm... but as his recovery mode access is blocked, I doubt if he will be able to access the download mode as well...
@OP: if you will be able to go to download mode - apply the Bhuvan's advice. If not - last resort - buy jig on eBay...
Spamtrash I d think that the op knows the correct way to access recovery. And why he wont be able to access recovery, pattern lock is not related to recovery. Pls guide him to acces recovery and download mode, I am busy sorry.
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BHuvan goyal said:
Spamtrash I d think that the op knows the correct way to access recovery. And why he wont be able to access recovery, pattern lock is not related to recovery. Pls guide him to acces recovery and download mode, I am busy sorry.
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Recovery = Volume Up + Home + Power
Download = Volume Down + Home + Power
If your phone is off, hold down those buttons as you would the power button to boot the phone into the appropriate mode. If your phone is on, hold down those buttons for ~10 seconds to reboot your phone into that mode (likewise, holding down just the power button for ~10 seconds will reboot the phone while it's running).
Regardless of whether or not the phone is locked (pattern, pin, anything), you should be able to access these modes. If you can get your phone into download mode, you can flash whatever ROM you want with Odin, stock or custom—and this will replace the entire firmware, which will reset the lock. However, I would not recommend flashing a ROM if you cannot get your phone into download mode, or you risk bricking your device.
If ur recovery is working then their is wipe data/ factory reset option in samsung's recivery too. Try that.
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Mhm... but as his recovery mode access is blocked, I doubt if he will be able to access the download mode as well...
@OP: if you will be able to go to download mode - apply the Bhuvan's advice. If not - last resort - buy jig on eBay...
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BHuvan goyal said:
Spamtrash I d think that the op knows the correct way to access recovery. And why he wont be able to access recovery, pattern lock is not related to recovery. Pls guide him to acces recovery and download mode, I am busy sorry.
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Recovery = Volume Up + Home + Power
Download = Volume Down + Home + Power
If your phone is off, hold down those buttons as you would the power button to boot the phone into the appropriate mode. If your phone is on, hold down those buttons for ~10 seconds to reboot your phone into that mode (likewise, holding down just the power button for ~10 seconds will reboot the phone while it's running).
Regardless of whether or not the phone is locked (pattern, pin, anything), you should be able to access these modes. If you can get your phone into download mode, you can flash whatever ROM you want with Odin, stock or custom—and this will replace the entire firmware, which will reset the lock. However, I would not recommend flashing a ROM if you cannot get your phone into download mode, or you risk bricking your device.
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If ur recovery is working then their is wipe data/ factory reset option in samsung's recivery too. Try that.
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Guys, thanks so much for your time ! I have tried all most every method you guys suggested me. but no good luck !
I know a dude who can do this soft of issues, but not for free (LOL)
First he told that the pattern can be unlocked. When I reached him to get it done. he told that it is going to take long time and its much better to flash new rom 2.3.4 where all my data will be gone. I agreed and what he did is
My phone was not going to download mode with the 3buttons shortcuts as upichie told. he connected a USB pin to my phone and used 3 button shortcuts to go into download mode. from download mode he flashed my phone to latest version 2.3.4.
This is how my issue ended ! you know what's the funny thing in this ? he download every thing from XDA !! HE HE !! LOL !!
Thanks again for all who ever replied and tried to solve my issue !
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Guys, thanks so much for your time ! I have tried all most every method you guys suggested me. but no good luck !
I know a dude who can do this soft of issues, but not for free (LOL)
First he told that the pattern can be unlocked. When I reached him to get it done. he told that it is going to take long time and its much better to flash new rom 2.3.4 where all my data will be gone. I agreed and what he did is
My phone was not going to download mode with the 3buttons shortcuts as upichie told. he connected a USB pin to my phone and used 3 button shortcuts to go into download mode. from download mode he flashed my phone to latest version 2.3.4.
This is how my issue ended ! you know what's the funny thing in this ? he download every thing from XDA !! HE HE !! LOL !!
Thanks again for all who ever replied and tried to solve my issue !
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I'm glad you got this issue resolved!
For future reference, it sounds like he used a USB JIG to get the phone into download mode, in case you need to find information about that on a later date.
Have fun with your phone!
just try recovery
Hi..
One of my friends has a Note but his power button is broken. He hasn't really contacted service center for repair coz he didn't really miss anything about the button..but now if he wants to root...flash rom etc..is it even possible to do that without a functional power button?
Any guidance would be appreciated! Thanks
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there are mods for ics .. like a toggle for reboot .. which when u press gives 3 options (reboot / recovery / download).
but i dont think it will be possible to boot in to recovery without the power button if the phone has a bootloop or stuck at startup.
You can flash roms but it would be really dangerous
If anything goes wrong after flashing a rom and got stuck,you cant enter recovery or download mode
[email protected]$3K#@R said:
You can flash roms but it would be really dangerous
If anything goes wrong after flashing a rom and got stuck,you cant enter recovery or download mode
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No you wrong,
If its Custom Rom may you can use RomManager And Reboot into Recovery Mode,Then Advanced,Reboot into Download....
its possible to enter recovery, download mode without that button, but if you get bootloop you will need it so send it to repair
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No you wrong,
If its Custom Rom may you can use RomManager And Reboot into Recovery Mode,Then Advanced,Reboot into Download....
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He's talking about when the rom won't boot up to access those apps. If is boots up, plenty options are there anyway
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He's talking about when the rom won't boot up to access those apps. If is boots up, plenty options are there anyway
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oooohhhh then you have to pay to fix your gn7000
Hi,
I was trying to install 2.3.6 DDKQ6. The Odin process finished successfully and restarted the phone. But now the phone is in a boot loop. It keeps getting restarted after 2 seconds. I can't get to recovery mode.
I can access download mode but flashing even again (different ROM) doesn't work.
Please help me
Edited 10-22-2012: Still no solution found. I have tried many ROMS and even tried to flash stock recovery. Senior members, please suggest next step
Please, anyone has a solution to this problem?
hassan.nabeel27 said:
Please, anyone has a solution to this problem?
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Make sure the rom is in your region. Dont install a rom from another country. Try get to recovery mode with button combination. Search for more tutorials.
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As long as ur phone is bootlooping, it can enter in stock recovery. So, take out battery, re-insert it, goto STOCK recovery & do "wipe data/factory reset" & wipe cache. It worked for me & for most of us too!!
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Make sure the rom is in your region. Dont install a rom from another country. Try get to recovery mode with button combination. Search for more tutorials.
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My phone is from Middle east region. I have installed ROMs using the same region but no help.
Galaxy_Rohit said:
As long as ur phone is bootlooping, it can enter in stock recovery. So, take out battery, re-insert it, goto STOCK recovery & do "wipe data/factory reset" & wipe cache. It worked for me & for most of us too!!
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I have tried the recovery button combination a lot of times. I believe recovery comes after the logo screen? But my phone keeps rebooting before even showing the logo screen.
Before flashing 2.3.6 DDKQ6, which firmware/rom u were using??
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Before flashing 2.3.6 DDKQ6, which firmware/rom u were using??
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I was using Froyo 2.2.1 firmware code starting with JP or JV.
Here is the procedure i used for update.
http://androidadvices.com/update-galaxy-ace-s5830-official-gingerbread-236-xwktm-firmware/2/
Then flash it again to get back to normal first, then go for updating.
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hassan.nabeel27 said:
I have tried the recovery button combination a lot of times. I believe recovery comes after the logo screen? But my phone keeps rebooting before even showing the logo screen.
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I think
first comes the Samsung logo (no matter which ROM u have installed).
then comes your device logo (varies with the kernel installed).
then boot-screen.
If you press home+power button u will enter into the stock recovery console(if cwm or other recovery is not installed).
And if you don't press the home+power button then you will boot normally.
Be on the safe side
Press home+power button until u see the recovery console.
Most of the boot-loops can be solved by wiping up cache and factory reset.
Hope this will solve your problem.
Edit:
Try some after market ROMs they are way more fast and efficient than stock Samsung GB ROM. Try Apocalypse or
Democracy.
Just hold the power button and home button... release it when you see SAMSUNG.. flash the rom again if still you dont get any help...
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I had installed Stockrom CM10.1 and i want back to put a stockrom. In the rush I forgot to do the wipes before going through odin the StockRom.
Since then the phone does not pass the samsung logo and can not go into recovery mode. I tried to send the CWM, also the ".pit" with Odin and I have sent the RescuePDA. In any case get it to boot the phone and put it into recovery mode, although in download mode it is ok.
Can anyone help me out?
Thanks in advance.
berloss said:
I had installed Stockrom CM10.1 and i want back to put a stockrom. In the rush I forgot to do the wipes before going through odin the StockRom.
Since then the phone does not pass the samsung logo and can not go into recovery mode. I tried to send the CWM, also the ".pit" with Odin and I have sent the RescuePDA. In any case get it to boot the phone and put it into recovery mode, although in download mode it is ok.
Can anyone help me out?
Thanks in advance.
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Boot recovery wip factory resey go to advancec and unmount all then format all reboot download mode then you should be fine
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NiceIceDice96 said:
Boot recovery wip factory resey go to advancec and unmount all then format all reboot download mode then you should be fine
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I can´t boot in recovery mode.
I press volume +, volume -, home and power and the telephone doesn´t boot. I only can boot in download mode.
Thanks
Is there any way of make wipes with the computer (odin or similar)?
I had the same bug. And, you got ramdump mode, probably in the past, you selected from recovery the option ,,reboot to recovery,,. To fix that, you need to press the same keys , but in a different order. First flash cwm 6.0.3.3 (by thewhisp), then , remove the battery and put it back. After that, press that buttons in that order : home+power+up+down
IMPORTANT: YOU NEED TO PRESS UP+DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, AND IN 1 SECOND. (Till you see the SAMSUNG LOGO)
If now you see ,, clock work mod,, wipe data. If not repeat all steps.
It worked 100% on my s6500d, after several hours of trying.
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MaDaLiNoSt said:
I had the same bug. And, you got ramdump mode, probably in the past, you selected from recovery the option ,,reboot to recovery,,. To fix that, you need to press the same keys , but in a different order. First flash cwm 6.0.3.3 (by thewhisp), then , remove the battery and put it back. After that, press that buttons in that order : home+power+up+down
IMPORTANT: YOU NEED TO PRESS UP+DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, AND IN 1 SECOND. (Till you see the SAMSUNG LOGO)
If now you see ,, clock work mod,, wipe data. If not repeat all steps.
It worked 100% on my s6500d, after several hours of trying.
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Thank. It works.
That combination of keys is ok. At the first it cost a few, but at the end I got it.
A lot of thanks.
Hello!!!
Today, I installed cyanogenmod 9 for galaxy mini 2
Phone is booting,but it stuck at Samsung galaxy minu 2 CyanogenMod screen.
I rebooted in recovery, I mounted /system and I reboot the phone.
Afther that my doesn't want to go in recovery??
It show only ramdump.
Can anyone help me?
Sorry for my bad English.
SO heres the deal. wanted to try flash MiMi ROM so i nandroid backup my rom and began wiping /system /data and /sdcard0. then i flash MiMi ROM v2 and it did not work. so i decided to go back to cwm back and IT DIDNT WORK. PRESSED ALL THE USUAL BUTTONS TO GO TO RECOVERY AND NO. IT DID NOT WORK. I tried reflashing CWM recovery using Heimdall-frontend (Linux version of Odin) since i dont have windows. and i flashed thewhisp's cwm-6.0.3.2-jena-build-2, extracted it recovery.img and flashed. It did flashed BUT I STILL CANT GO BACK TO CWM LIKE LAST TIME. When i pressed the buttons, it passed Samsung logo and then stucked at Samsung Galaxy S6500D when my phone is S6500 (with NFC) PLEASE HELP.
go to download mode and flash stock rom , you can find stock rom in : http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/2/
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pocthird said:
go to download mode and flash stock rom , you can find stock rom in : http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/2/
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Thanks for your time. Im using Heimdall on Linux. I can go using either with the Frontend (GUI) and terminal. Thr problem is, idk how and im scared tht i brick my phone. Any tut?
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Solution here
TiTAN-O-One said:
SO heres the deal. wanted to try flash MiMi ROM so i nandroid backup my rom and began wiping /system /data and /sdcard0. then i flash MiMi ROM v2 and it did not work. so i decided to go back to cwm back and IT DIDNT WORK. PRESSED ALL THE USUAL BUTTONS TO GO TO RECOVERY AND NO. IT DID NOT WORK. I tried reflashing CWM recovery using Heimdall-frontend (Linux version of Odin) since i dont have windows. and i flashed thewhisp's cwm-6.0.3.2-jena-build-2, extracted it recovery.img and flashed. It did flashed BUT I STILL CANT GO BACK TO CWM LIKE LAST TIME. When i pressed the buttons, it passed Samsung logo and then stucked at Samsung Galaxy S6500D when my phone is S6500 (with NFC) PLEASE HELP.
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SOLUTIONS:
1)Flash stock rom again
2)Go here to see my 100% working solution (many users confirmed it in PM)
MaDaLiNoSt said:
SOLUTIONS:
1)Flash stock rom again
2)Go here to see my 100% working solution
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I did no. 2 already, it doesnt work ALTHOUGH when i wanted to first install CWM, it actually works. Not this.
For method 1, idk how to flash using Heimdall Linux (
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TiTAN-O-One said:
I did no. 2 already, it doesnt work ALTHOUGH when i wanted to first install CWM, it actually works. Not this.
For method 1, idk how to flash using Heimdall Linux (
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1) please try it many times! To recover my phone, I need some hours (3-4) , to get into recovery mode!
2) switch to windows / go to a friend.
Also, in the future, read before flash an new rom, the comments of others. I am the one of many others who said that the rom causes bootloop !
MaDaLiNoSt said:
1) please try it many times! To recover my phone, I need some hours (3-4) , to get into recovery mode!
2) switch to windows / go to a friend.
Also, in the future, read before flash an new rom, the comments of others. I am the one of many others who said that the rom causes bootloop !
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1) in your method, what do you mean by up and down till samsung logo, therr are only the samsung website >>then>> device info
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TiTAN-O-One said:
1) in your method, what do you mean by up and down till samsung logo, therr are only the samsung website >>then>> device info
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OHH....I mean, instead pressing Vol. Up+ Vol. Down+home+power to get in recovery,
you need to press home+power+up+down (fast!!!!)
You need to have the keys pressed before phone vibration ends ! If you see clockworkmod logo under phone model, release the keys!
If not repeat the steps! :good:
can't you go to a cybercafe or land a windows machine once in your life ? i think it is better to use something that worked for many people than taking risks
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MaDaLiNoSt said:
SOLUTIONS:
1)Flash stock rom again
2)Go here to see my 100% working solution (many users confirmed it in PM)
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Wow .. Your solution is easier than mine I should have known that method earlier ... Usually .. when I stuck in bootloop ... I will Force the phone to enter Recovery Mode ...
1.Press the Download Mode Key Combination ( VOL down + Home + Power )
2.After that, the phone will warn you right ?? Choose cancel (VOL down)
3.After you pressed Vol Down the phone will try to reboot .
4.When the phone try to reboot,press the Recovery Mode key combination BUT without pressing power button. Press ONLY the three button.
5.The phone will enter recovery Mode.
6.Full wipe the Phone and/or restore your backup.
It works for me EVERYTIME ..
If it is not working for you,just try again .. Your timing in STEP 4 must be PERFECT !!
Ezzam_Itachi said:
Wow .. Your solution is easier than mine I should have known that method earlier ... Usually .. when I stuck in bootloop ... I will Force the phone to enter Recovery Mode ...
1.Press the Download Mode Key Combination ( VOL down + Home + Power )
2.After that, the phone will warn you right ?? Choose cancel (VOL down)
3.After you pressed Vol Down the phone will try to reboot .
4.When the phone try to reboot,press the Recovery Mode key combination BUT without pressing power button. Press ONLY the three button.
5.The phone will enter recovery Mode.
6.Full wipe the Phone and/or restore your backup.
It works for me EVERYTIME ..
If it is not working for you,just try again .. Your timing in STEP 4 must be PERFECT !!
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I already known this method
MaDaLiNoSt said:
I already known this method
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Since You are a Senior Member .. I am sure you already knew this method .
Ezzam_Itachi said:
Wow .. Your solution is easier than mine I should have known that method earlier ... Usually .. when I stuck in bootloop ... I will Force the phone to enter Recovery Mode ...
1.Press the Download Mode Key Combination ( VOL down + Home + Power )
2.After that, the phone will warn you right ?? Choose cancel (VOL down)
3.After you pressed Vol Down the phone will try to reboot .
4.When the phone try to reboot,press the Recovery Mode key combination BUT without pressing power button. Press ONLY the three button.
5.The phone will enter recovery Mode.
6.Full wipe the Phone and/or restore your backup.
It works for me EVERYTIME ..
If it is not working for you,just try again .. Your timing in STEP 4 must be PERFECT !!
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I did your method and this is what I got. It stays there and i have to pull out the battery to restart.
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can't you go to a cybercafe or land a windows machine once in your life ? i think it is better to use something that worked for many people than taking risks
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I don't see how pressing buttons is risky than using Odin and then having chances of having a pricey brick.
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MaDaLiNoSt said:
OHH....I mean, instead pressing Vol. Up+ Vol. Down+home+power to get in recovery,
you need to press home+power+up+down (fast!!!!)
You need to have the keys pressed before phone vibration ends ! If you see clockworkmod logo under phone model, release the keys!
If not repeat the steps! :good:
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Thanks for your time.
Okie i did a video to show ya what i did using your method and Ezzam's. Here's the link: http://youtu.be/v0vPTlpRVDY
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Thanks guys, my problem was solved. I opened a thread to say thanks and made a tut for Linux users in case they bump to my situation.
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Thanks guys, my problem was solved. I opened a thread to say thanks and made a tut for Linux users in case they bump to my situation.
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I watched your video, and you didn't do the steps ok.... I think that you don't understeand what I said but..... If you don't understeand...how do you solved the problem?
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