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Found this to be a very decent review of the N7

This is a fairly thorough review including different states for battery drain and lots more. Thought I would share.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012...on-googles-nexus-7-is-a-fantastic-200-tablet/

still no mention of audio quality over the headphone jack.
word is the default tegra3 chipset is very very bad for audio

That review has been talked about a lot, mostly in the Reviews topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1738374&page=4

Sorry. Must have missed it. Mod feel free to delete or move
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Yesh, I didn't like this part:
A few days after the Nexus 7 hit developers' hands, a number of outlets reported that the tablet has problems with ghosting. Bringing up an image and letting it set on the screen for a couple of minutes would leave an impression of the image on the screen for up to a few minutes after the user has navigated away. We were able to recreate the problem, and found high-contrast images were particularly susceptible to imprinting ghosts on the screen.
However, the more we tried to recreate it, the faster the effect seemed to fade after we navigated away from the ghosted image. Eventually it was fading in a matter of seconds. The problem seems to be related to whether the screen is warmed up or not—if the tablet hasn't been recently used, an idle image will remain ghosted on the display for at least a couple of minutes, even as users continually change what the screen is showing. But once it's been on for a while—even if the image is left up for up to ten minutes—the ghost fades in a couple of seconds. There definitely is a problem, but it doesn't strike us as serious. That's as long as it doesn't, for instance, get worse as the tablet gets older.
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I've never seen a tablet screen do this. Very disconcerting. As a side, what does the price of this do to other android tablet makers? Like imagine your Samsung, yeah it's great that you can take this OS for free and make a tablet but then google is selling a tablet at cost (cause they have other motives than selling widgets). I'm just wondering if this would make other hardware manufacturers bow out of the future generations of tablet making.

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As a side, what does the price of this do to other android tablet makers? Like imagine your Samsung, yeah it's great that you can take this OS for free and make a tablet but then google is selling a tablet at cost (cause they have other motives than selling widgets). I'm just wondering if this would make other hardware manufacturers bow out of the future generations of tablet making.
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The Kai platform was already designed to sell tablets at sub-$200 prices (presumably with a profit), and the profit for the 8GB Nexus was lower-bounded at $15. For the 16GB, probably much more.
So the tech to make profits at this level is already there, and I see this price competition as only a good thing. Of course, this is just a guess since we can't know exactly how well other companies are able to compete, but in the worst case scenario they can partner with NVIDIA (a terrible option for us consumers, but still an option).

Well, hopefully it's spurs on cheaper tablets and not companies pulling out of the tablet market.
But that ghosting thing has me concerned. I was putting aside my no sdcard/hdmi gripe and probably buying this. I still will probably but I'd like to see how bad the ghosting is.
And say something stays on the screen for a long time? Like a hud in a video game. Could it result in screen burn and not simply ghosting? Just a problem you never hear about with any display these days never mind tablets.
here's a write-up on with some screenshots:
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-7-ghosting-issues-affect-some-displays-99349/
Hopefully, it's only with the white units that were given out at the google i/o but I don't see why? I can't see the displays changing so late in the game.

I don't have any ghosting, bad luck of them to get a bad batch.

Wow. Very good review. Its nice to see someone's view in writing. Reviewers are getting lazy lately. Casey brings a fresh view and insight to new tech. I'll look forward to her next writing.
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Ars Technica can go take a hike, they won't ever get a web hit from me ever again, they lost all credibility the moment they started employing fanboy writers like Ben Kuchera.
Without even reading it, I can predict what it will say, it will complain about the 1.6MP camera (despite the iPad2 having 700kP camera), it will complain about the lack of a MicroSD card (despite the iPad also not having any expandable storage). All these "tech" sites don't know their arse from their elbow, it's never a level playing field with them.
In their eyes, the iPad is the best things since sliced bread, because Apple just rolled up with a truckload of advertising cash. but when a product comes along that has similar limitations, but at half the price, they are the first to jump on the whinge bandwagon.
I also don't need to read reviews to tell me what I have bought is a fine product.

You should read the review before accusing them of biase.
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Yeah, like, that prediction was pretty much off in every way possible.

Regarding the image retention, sounds like I/O units only. Production units seem fine
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/the-nexus-7-has-surprisingly-bad-display-ghosting-just-take-a-look-at-these-photos/
Read Asus response at the top of the page

szqnl said:
Regarding the image retention, sounds like I/O units only. Production units seem fine
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/the-nexus-7-has-surprisingly-bad-display-ghosting-just-take-a-look-at-these-photos/
Read Asus response at the top of the page
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Nice to see they responded. I'm not a "stand in a pitch black room and measure light bleed" kind of guy so I wasn't really worried about it anyway, but hopefully the problem was limited to pre-production units as indicated.

Pretty fair review. My only gripes was the criticism regarding the split keyboard. Uhhh, we have about 10 options for split keyboards in the Market. They praised Apple's split keyboard, but they don't give users the options of switching to whatever keyboard you want. DUMB!
Also, I understand the criticism for the camera quality, but I don't really think it's fair. It's 1.2MP camera is on-par with the high-end devices out there. I would understand it if they complained about the lack of rear camera, but criticizing the quality of the front one is just not valid to me as their pedestal (new iPad) is much inferior in resolution.

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Pretty fair review. My only gripes was the criticism regarding the split keyboard. Uhhh, we have about 10 options for split keyboards in the Market. They praised Apple's split keyboard, but they don't give users the options of switching to whatever keyboard you want. DUMB!
Also, I understand the criticism for the camera quality, but I don't really think it's fair. It's 1.2MP camera is on-par with the high-end devices out there. I would understand it if they complained about the lack of rear camera, but criticizing the quality of the front one is just not valid to me as their pedestal (new iPad) is much inferior in resolution.
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actually the image definitely was way worse on skype than the ipad's, i wonder how much of that has to do with skype app. I know in the past the mlb at bat app video streaming was awful, but this years it's been just as nice as the iphone i think....

The kindle fire screen will ghost on max brightness. I think it is an IPS thing.
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Thanks for linking to this review.
The write-up seems fair to me. Yes, her overall judgement is not as glowing as most earlier reviewers'.
I take it as a compliment that she spent so much time comparing it to the newest iPad. She also trumpeted the Nexus 7's lower cost and stated it performs similarly to the iPad 2. That's not shabby.
I can't wait to receive mine. Ordered on June 30.

That's the best review for the Nexus 7 I've read so far. I like the comparison to the iPad.

A caved in and read the review (i made sure my advert blocker was on, as they don't deserve a y money from me). All the predictable gripes that are fine for an ipad costing over twice the price, and they video chat to an ipad and when I the picture quality wasn't upto scratch, blamed the nexus (despite camera pics being fine). It's likely it was actually the ipad decoding it poorly, because it wasn't native and proprietary apple quicktime
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Touchscreen Problems [Google Update]

Hey all---
I just got off the phone with a resolution specialist supervisor (whatever that means) for the N7 who is shipping me out a replacement for my n7 with the touchscreen dead spot / unresponsiveness issues.
Anyhow, he told me that this IS a hardware problem--Google is aware of it, and is sending out replacements for anyone with this problem.
If you bought yours from the play store, you should call in 855-83NEXUS, tell them you have the problem, and they will ship you a replacement.
Hope this is helpful to people!

Please describe when does the dead spot occurs for you?

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Please describe when does the dead spot occurs for you?
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It's the same problems found here:
http://www.zdnet.com/nexus-7-touchscreen-problem-caught-on-video-7000001325/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1779652
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1783637
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1788868

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HEY i just read 28 pages of partial crap and why this isnt an issue, BUT i would like to defend some of us nit pickers, I play the smule game and also a regular piano app, and i usually have my tablet in a case since i broke my first with a 2 foot drop and so i have a tablet, not grounded, and i want to play the piano, and since the keys are line up, and i like to press more than one note at a time they dont always hit, either making gameplay on smule unbearable or my songs suck, i admit it doesnt really bother anything else BUT it ruins my favorite game and i made a decision to buy a nexus and n7 vs the galaxy note 2, so im a little stuck because im sure i cant return both because i dont like one of the devices, so understand this problem can be serious to some.

For me the touch unrespond when the temperature is high (outside the home in hot climate) around 40C
Anyone have this issue?
And should be return to warranty?
I need also the costumer service email please..
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I rarely see it and cant make it happen on command like some of the others like touching the screen prior to turning on the tablet and it not responding. Mine is sort of sporadic when it happens its definetly noticeable. So this is CONFIRMED a hardware issue huh? Looks like its going back to Office depot.. hope i can still return it. -_-

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HEY i just read 28 pages of partial crap and why this isnt an issue, BUT i would like to defend some of us nit pickers, I play the smule game and also a regular piano app, and i usually have my tablet in a case since i broke my first with a 2 foot drop and so i have a tablet, not grounded, and i want to play the piano, and since the keys are line up, and i like to press more than one note at a time they dont always hit, either making gameplay on smule unbearable or my songs suck, i admit it doesnt really bother anything else BUT it ruins my favorite game and i made a decision to buy a nexus and n7 vs the galaxy note 2, so im a little stuck because im sure i cant return both because i dont like one of the devices, so understand this problem can be serious to some.
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you can either plug in headphones or the charging cable. that will ground the n7 and eliminate the issue.

When I scroll up and down sometimes it registers swipes as a touch input. Is this the same problem? Sucks though cause this is a C90.

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When I scroll up and down sometimes it registers swipes as a touch input. Is this the same problem? Sucks though cause this is a C90.
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what build number do you have on your C90

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what build number do you have on your C90
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I exchanged that one already so I don't know what number that was. This had it occasionally but very minor but the colors does not seem as saturated as the old one. This one is JRO03S.

I have this on mine as well, but the screen is excellent with great colors, contrast, color temp, etc. After seeing a few with worse screens, I'll live with the occasional touchscreen glitch. If I were still within my return period, however, I'd bag the whole thing.
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4 Nexuses, each worse than the previous one - iPad time

I really wanted to love this device, but I have to conclude that the manufacturing process is fatally flawed. I'll be warning people away from these every chance I get, and for myself, biting the bullet and going to the fruit store.
1st Nexus - slight screen lift at the lower left, just enough to be noticeable
2nd Nexus - worse screen lift, plus a dead pixel in the lower corner
3rd Nexus - extremely bad screen lift all down the left side
4th Nexus - barely visible screen lift. For a moment I thought I had a winner, but! It turns out the entire upper half of the left side pops and clicks with the slightest pressure, obviously not fastened well underneath.
Given the consistency of these issues, it's pretty clear that there are systemic issues with the manufacture of these devices. I'd bet good money that most of the units people currently think are just fine also have these problems. I predict many, many Nexus screens will gradually loosen on the left side and begin exhibiting these same symptoms within a few months, leading to many more threads like this, but started by people who are way past the return window and about to be forced to deal with Asus's warranty process instead.
So yeah, I'm jumping ship and waiting for the iPad mini instead (or just buying a full-sized iPad if the mini is just a rumor), despite the fact that I much prefer Android as an OS. While I could obviously buy some other Android tablet with better build quality, the reality is that (a) they all have crappy OEM skins that slow them down and ruin the AOSP experience, and (b) none of them will get long-term manufacturer support -- non-Nexus Android devices are invariably abandoned by their manufacturers in under a year. I don't know of a single counterexample. Any Apple gadget, OTOH, despite its shortcomings in terms of its OS, will be a solid, reliable, well-manufactured device good for two or even three years of ongoing upgrades and support.
I'll be sticking with Android phones, but I'm tired of waiting around for a decent Android tablet to appear. I'll come back from the dark side when (if?) Google manages to get its act a little more together.

From the evidence we have from the teardowns it seems there are 2 hardware defects causing the screen lift. These will most likely be consistent across all n7s. However the flickering and lines are rare screen defects, and the wash out issue is a software defect.
Either way I will use my nexus til the screen falls out lol
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Same here, gave up after 3 nexus 7s.
Also eagerly awaiting the 7" ipad

Some like the ipad.Maybe you will get a perfect one the first time and be happy.
I can't imagine getting rid of 4 devices for what seems like such a little thing as a slight screen lift myself.Once you put it in a case you would never have seen it again and I doubt if it would have ever caused a problem.Paying double the price for perceived perfection is an option than many would be better off doing from reading all the whining on threads on this site.Some people are just better off sticking with Apple.

Reminds me of the Xbox red ring of death. If you don't have it yet, you'll get it later on

my left side makes a noise when i put pressure on it. Its no biggy for me since i dont push on it. Acutally i dropped it from my bed so i guess thats why haha oh well
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Reminds me of the Xbox red ring of death. If you don't have it yet, you'll get it later on
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Yeah but your nexus wont die if theres a small lift on the screen. It will still work regardless.
For the xbox, rrod, and its done.

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my left side makes a noise when i put pressure on it. Its no biggy for me since i dont push on it. Acutally i dropped it from my bed so i guess thats why haha oh well
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Yeah but your nexus wont die if theres a small lift on the screen. It will still work regardless.
For the xbox, rrod, and its done.
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I was implying they both have a manufacturing defect that covers all devices. If you don't have it now, it may pop up down the road

I have very slight screen lift on left side but nothing worth returning but my volume rockers do not work I need to adjust it manually in settings but I installed a volume widget that took care of it its been 12 days since I got it I'm about to call Google about volume rocker I will need it if I decided to root it to navigate up & down in recovery
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You could use a touch based recovery, right?

Mines perfect as of right now.
Speaker is strong, screen looks good (not as good as my ips phone), fairly responsive at all times.
Ios is just so boring and isn't nice to look at. the homescreen system is just tiring.. everything happens a little too seamlessly. Lag adds substance as you feel something is happening lmao.
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The iPad certainly has better build quality and can also take a fair bit of hammer but you pay more for it, of course.
Unfortunately my iPad came with defect too, it had iOS on it

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I really wanted to love this device, but I have to conclude that the manufacturing process is fatally flawed. I'll be warning people away from these every chance I get, and for myself, biting the bullet and going to the fruit store.
1st Nexus - slight screen lift at the lower left, just enough to be noticeable
2nd Nexus - worse screen lift, plus a dead pixel in the lower corner
3rd Nexus - extremely bad screen lift all down the left side
4th Nexus - barely visible screen lift. For a moment I thought I had a winner, but! It turns out the entire upper half of the left side pops and clicks with the slightest pressure, obviously not fastened well underneath.
Given the consistency of these issues, it's pretty clear that there are systemic issues with the manufacture of these devices. I'd bet good money that most of the units people currently think are just fine also have these problems. I predict many, many Nexus screens will gradually loosen on the left side and begin exhibiting these same symptoms within a few months, leading to many more threads like this, but started by people who are way past the return window and about to be forced to deal with Asus's warranty process instead.
So yeah, I'm jumping ship and waiting for the iPad mini instead (or just buying a full-sized iPad if the mini is just a rumor), despite the fact that I much prefer Android as an OS. While I could obviously buy some other Android tablet with better build quality, the reality is that (a) they all have crappy OEM skins that slow them down and ruin the AOSP experience, and (b) none of them will get long-term manufacturer support -- non-Nexus Android devices are invariably abandoned by their manufacturers in under a year. I don't know of a single counterexample. Any Apple gadget, OTOH, despite its shortcomings in terms of its OS, will be a solid, reliable, well-manufactured device good for two or even three years of ongoing upgrades and support.
I'll be sticking with Android phones, but I'm tired of waiting around for a decent Android tablet to appear. I'll come back from the dark side when (if?) Google manages to get its act a little more together.
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Fortunately mine does not share these faults. However, I would hazard a guess that people who pull their NX7 in and out of the official grey ASUS cover will pop a screen for sure. In that regard, the CaseCrown neoprene travel case I also bought is much kinder.
Sorry to hear of your issues
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What a lame story. Plenty of good tablets around. Just change the rom if you don't want a skin on it.
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I hope OHA patent none 9.7" tabs to troll apple
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Android tablets are having some real quality issues. I had the transformer prime and that was a nightmare. I ended up with an ipad2 after the prime, but really like the idea of a 7 inch tablet to have with the 10 inch tablet. A repeat of similar build quality issues stopped me in my tracks from buying. Until Android tablet manufacturers get their act together like they have for cell phones, Android tablet sales will always lag Apple. If hardware quality is ever resolved, then there is the lack of quality applications like there is for the iPad.
What really blew me away was some data surrounding Samsung tablets that came out during the Samsung/Apple trial, which I'm surprised nobody is talking about more. Basically, Samsung is experiencing approximately a 25% return rate, Apple claimed is due to customers buying Samsung tablets thinking they are iPads. Samsung countered stating that the 25% return rate is due to quality and manufacturing defects, not confusion with the iPad. Sorry, but a 25% return rate due to quality and manufacturing defects is way too high for me. Based solely on forum activity, the Asus forums are far more active than Samsung with users complaining about quality issues. Kinda makes me wonder what the return rate is for Asus.

Yes, for you ... go with an iPad if that will make you happy.
Ok?
Good boy ...
po96od said:
I really wanted to love this device, but I have to conclude that the manufacturing process is fatally flawed. I'll be warning people away from these every chance I get, and for myself, biting the bullet and going to the fruit store.
1st Nexus - slight screen lift at the lower left, just enough to be noticeable
2nd Nexus - worse screen lift, plus a dead pixel in the lower corner
3rd Nexus - extremely bad screen lift all down the left side
4th Nexus - barely visible screen lift. For a moment I thought I had a winner, but! It turns out the entire upper half of the left side pops and clicks with the slightest pressure, obviously not fastened well underneath.
Given the consistency of these issues, it's pretty clear that there are systemic issues with the manufacture of these devices. I'd bet good money that most of the units people currently think are just fine also have these problems. I predict many, many Nexus screens will gradually loosen on the left side and begin exhibiting these same symptoms within a few months, leading to many more threads like this, but started by people who are way past the return window and about to be forced to deal with Asus's warranty process instead.
So yeah, I'm jumping ship and waiting for the iPad mini instead (or just buying a full-sized iPad if the mini is just a rumor), despite the fact that I much prefer Android as an OS. While I could obviously buy some other Android tablet with better build quality, the reality is that (a) they all have crappy OEM skins that slow them down and ruin the AOSP experience, and (b) none of them will get long-term manufacturer support -- non-Nexus Android devices are invariably abandoned by their manufacturers in under a year. I don't know of a single counterexample. Any Apple gadget, OTOH, despite its shortcomings in terms of its OS, will be a solid, reliable, well-manufactured device good for two or even three years of ongoing upgrades and support.
I'll be sticking with Android phones, but I'm tired of waiting around for a decent Android tablet to appear. I'll come back from the dark side when (if?) Google manages to get its act a little more together.
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Sorry, I got it wrong.
"Browser crashes, lack of screen sensitivity, and Wi-Fi connectivity issues accounted for 25 percent of the returns. Screen lag, short battery life, and sync issues accounted for another 17 percent. The Honeycomb operating system learning curve caused ten percent of the returns, with nine percent returning the device after mistakenly thinking they were buying an iPad."
Read more: http://www.electronista.com/article...pples.claims.by.interpretation/#ixzz23nTWvsOM
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"return rate for the Android tablet is as high as 15 percent. Apple's iPad in contrast saw just a two percent return rate and hinted that there was brewing dissatisfaction with the Galaxy Tab."
Read more: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/01/study.says.galaxy.tab.returns.very.high/#ixzz23nUXQuRY
More info
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/report_android’s_dirty_secret_return_rate_high_40_percent

BostonDan2 said:
Android tablets are having some real quality issues. I had the transformer prime and that was a nightmare. I ended up with an ipad2 after the prime, but really like the idea of a 7 inch tablet to have with the 10 inch tablet. A repeat of similar build quality issues stopped me in my tracks from buying. Until Android tablet manufacturers get their act together like they have for cell phones, Android tablet sales will always lag Apple. If hardware quality is ever resolved, then there is the lack of quality applications like there is for the iPad.
What really blew me away was some data surrounding Samsung tablets that came out during the Samsung/Apple trial, which I'm surprised nobody is talking about more. Basically, Samsung is experiencing approximately a 25% return rate, Apple claimed is due to customers buying Samsung tablets thinking they are iPads. Samsung countered stating that the 25% return rate is due to quality and manufacturing defects, not confusion with the iPad. Sorry, but a 25% return rate due to quality and manufacturing defects is way too high for me. Based solely on forum activity, the Asus forums are far more active than Samsung with users complaining about quality issues. Kinda makes me wonder what the return rate is for Asus.
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Very good points, that's why I returned my nexus 7 and am currently waiting for the so called ipad mini

Well I've had 4 Samsung tabs and 1 Asus tab and not had 1 problem with any of them..
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got mine yesterday.. screen lift on left side .. felt super spongy when holding it with my left hand. Second one is on it's way. I'll allow 3 strikes then I'm just going to get a refund. When you drop 300 bux on something you shouldn't just have to live with manufacture defects.

Nexus 7 "imperfections" and the story of LG G2x

So I'm about to get a Nexus 7 for Christmas, my other android device is the Tmobile LG G2x which I had since it was first released.
Anyway, I came to the Nexus 7 forum to read up on my upcoming device, lo and behold I see threads about tiny miniscule flaws like screen lift, screen flicker, crackling speakers when the volume is turned up etc. and many new owners returning their "flawed" devices in for a "perfect" one.
This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
We all know how this turned out. LG G2X started to get a bad reputation, even though it's still one of the best most powerful dual cores out. It was well ahead of it's time when it was released and had huge potential, but all the so called "flaws" brought prospective buyers to google the G2X only to find links to threads of "my G2x has this and that flaw", persuading people to think G2x was an inferior product when actually, those reported flaws were over exaggerated, just so the owners could return it for a "perfect" one.
My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....

Totally true!
And of course it's also the fact that no body opens a thread to say "my n7 is working perfectly"
In my case, my N7 it's perfect and have never noticed one of those "flaws". The only thing, truth be told, it's that the speakers are "weak" in comparison with other devices, but that's not a flaw, it's a characteristic. Saying it's a flaw is like saying that the camera is a flaw because it's not an 8mp HD video recorder cam.
People should enjoy the devices instead to go looking things to complaint about
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I agree, i just noticed i have a screen lift on the let side and so does my friend. I pushed it back in and everything's fine. Its so minor (literally less then 0,2mm) that I really couldn't be bothered to go trough warranty for it (I also got it as a gift from UK and it would take months to get a new one). I had a screen lift on my previous Galaxy Spica, that was some screen lift it was well over the housing, it was annoying, but it didn't affect the touchscreen.
Also the speaker is small, I haven't had a device that wouldn't crack at high volumes, its not made for that. Again, if you're not happy, spend twice the amount of money for iPad. People forget that this is very cheap device for its performance and of course it comes at the cost.
I really like my N7 its fast and light. If you're thinking of getting one do so, don't let perfectionists with light case of OCD change your mind.
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jacob808 said:
This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
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i know exactly where your coming from.. idk too much about the g2x but my phone is a lg spectrum... first and last lg ill ever buy.. build quality is horrible... the one im using now is my 5th replacement.. the first only got data signal.. wouldnt call or text... the rest have all had bleeding on the edges of the screen.. plus lg and vzw tortured us about the ics update.
ive had my nexus 7 for a couple weeks now and i love it.. my only dislikes are no sd. and the fact that 4.1 and 4.2 put your files in different places.. other than that.. my N7 is the best device ive ever owned

Yeah. Another device where (especially initially after launch) bad user reports or bad reviews blew a bad rep out of proportion is the Acer A700. I have the device, and it's a really fine, really good working device with a gorgeous screen and great connectivity. Show me another device that - for 399 Euros! - offers that much!

jacob808 said:
My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
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I' m not sure about screen lift (don't have one) or crackling speakers (don't really care about built-in speakers). But I'm sure that screen flicker is a rather annoying issue, and it's bad for your eyes, too. This is like looking at an old CRT monitor @60hz, or even worse.
Actually, I do everything I can to keep the device. I've already bought Nvidia Prism toggle and Lux auto-brightness, none of which helped the issue. I also had to root and re-install my brand new tablet just to try these apps.
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The software of the G2x was a train wreck. Random reboots galore made the device almost unusable without a custom rom.
Nothing like the G2x IMHO.

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The software of the G2x was a train wreck. Random reboots galore made the device almost unusable without a custom rom.
Nothing like the G2x IMHO.
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Yep, quite a few issues on the software end, not so much hardware which is rare as a lot of LG products don't last hardware wise.
I do understand where you are coming from though OP. PERFECT N7 here!
Sent from a galaxy far away!

+1 on a "Practically Perfect In Every Way" Nexus 7 here.
Only things that make it imperfect is actually the software and not being able to run Java with Android....
Hardware it is "Practically Perfect In Every Way" aside from missing a rear facing camera....oh wait, I have a Nikon DSLR for that job.....

Glad to be rid of my O2X. The Galaxy S2 craps on it, nice thin form factor and not a chunky brick like the 2x.
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I agree with the whole over exaggerating minor flaws, but comparing the nexus 7 to the g2x not so much.
I had a g2x and actually sold it and went back to using my single core galaxy s 4g because the g2x was far too unreliable to use as a phone.
I now have a 32gb nexus 7 (flawless) and a gsm galaxy nexus and love both of them. Sure my gnex has a bit of purple tint at minimum brightness, but I would of just thought that's how the screen is if not for all the complaints.
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Perfect example of horrible support and bad rumors killing a great phone. Hardware was the best of its time but crippled by premature software.
Seriously though, it was pretty bad.
I can't even remember anything bad about it except it had screen bleed... and its bad software.
LG blamed Nvidia but Asus didn't have a problem keeping my Tegra 2 Transformer updated like twice a week. It had more software updates then Google's own Xoom.
Damn LG. I'm still iffy about LG devices that require updates.
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So I'm about to get a Nexus 7 for Christmas, my other android device is the Tmobile LG G2x which I had since it was first released.
Anyway, I came to the Nexus 7 forum to read up on my upcoming device, lo and behold I see threads about tiny miniscule flaws like screen lift, screen flicker, crackling speakers when the volume is turned up etc. and many new owners returning their "flawed" devices in for a "perfect" one.
This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
We all know how this turned out. LG G2X started to get a bad reputation, even though it's still one of the best most powerful dual cores out. It was well ahead of it's time when it was released and had huge potential, but all the so called "flaws" brought prospective buyers to google the G2X only to find links to threads of "my G2x has this and that flaw", persuading people to think G2x was an inferior product when actually, those reported flaws were over exaggerated, just so the owners could return it for a "perfect" one.
My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
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I had a g2x and it was fine and even better with a custom ROM it could play any game and most games if not all were compatible but it was that phone that made me a flashaholic and we all know what happened all the developers got a galaxy nexus or galaxy s2 and we were left with settling for no longer updated GB Roms or the broken ics roms, I tried to learn how to build Roms but too hard for me, the nexus 7 on other hand I went through 2 before finding lucky number 3 without a major screen lift trust me the first was a moderate squeak when touching the lifted side then the second one was extremely bad and my third one was very light not even there really but overall I loved the device from the beginning to keep it instead of getting a refund
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Totally agree. Mine has backlight bleed but I really don't notice till the screen is totally black and still it minimal. I too have a g2x and loved it. But now because support is dropped for it it sucks a bit because everyone returned it and now things like Bluetooth and SOD because LG did a half assed update to shut ppl up. I figured out how to stop the SOD and don't really use Bluetooth often anyway (it does work in stock but I don't care to go back). Sorry form the bad typing its 4am here and I havnt slept yet lol
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While I can appreciate the OP's intention, I would have to respectfully disagree with his method of thinking.
The reality is many electronic devices have legitimate defects. To say that we should not discuss them or post threads about them is asinine IMO.
I feel this way for two reasons:
1. The user base on XDA is a fraction of the general public. And a minute fraction at that. To insinuate that a few overzealous posts could possibly hurt a giant conglomerate's business (all of these companies are huge in both the cellular and other markets, with the exception of a few smaller companies) is amusing. There is no way people discussing the flaws of the Nexus 7 is going to "hurt" Asus or Google. There is even less negative effect on companies like LG or Samsung because they are in so many markets.
2. Considering the above, the very small impact that these product criticisms have are needed to show mfg's that we are paying attention to the product quality, even if they aren't. In addition, we are going to raise awareness to others who may/may not purchase their product(s), and it may even end up in an Android news blog. This tells them that they can't just shove crap down our throats and expect us to praise them like some idiotic fan boy. This is needed to force them to adhere to stricter quality standards.
Just my two cents. Btw I love my Nexus 7. Carry on...

I think the issue, as the above post says, Is definitely a QC issue. Asus's motto is "Persistent perfection" which I have pointed out to the Asus techs in the service center here in Taiwan many times :victory: as I have brought in the various failed devices they have sold me over the years. I would like to take this argument to the next logical step. The screen lift at the outset means that the frame and screen are not joined correctly. The posts I've read say the bonding surface is only 2mm wide. This means that the device will likely have much worse separation issues as it ages. Yes, these gadgets weren't built to last millennia, only the life of their battery, which should be around two years. Two years wear and tear, a few drops later, will this device become unusable? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...Live by the sword, die by the sword, etc.

Agreed with this thread entirely. The Nexus 7 did endure some teething issues than cannot be denied (my original n7's screen had a constant grey wash over the screen i.e. blacks displayed as light grey :good But I had a great RMA process and my replacement has been perfect ever since.

The N7 did have screen lift but it was revised with revisions. In the early models it was prevalent because of the way it was manufactured.

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The N7 did have screen lift but it was revised with revisions. In the early models it was prevalent because of the way it was manufactured.
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No need for the italics

Just my 2 cents here but I can't agree with this thread.
If a company is producing inferior quality products then the market will punish them for that, and rightly so. People pay hard earned cash for these products and if they rattle or have screen lift they are well within their rights to complain and return (the reason we have warranties) the product.
(I have a Nexus 7 and it's perfect btw)
This is one of the reasons Apple is a revered brand name among so many people, their pursuit of quality.
However I don't think the Nexus falls into the above category, it just had some teething problems. Also, judging by how hard it was for me to find one in stock there's no worry about it falling foul with customers.

Underwhelmed by Nexus 5

Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.

Bummer. I'm really happy with mine. Well good luck to you.

cant put mine down. really love how it looks and feels. also its super fast with the nova launcher.

Battery life is good to me. I'm all stock and not rooted. I will believe you have good battery life once I seen your screenshots from the HTC.
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Coming from a GS4 and never regretted the UPGRADE for a second
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No reason regretting your purchase. No one is ever stuck with a phone when they have one that is worth some money. Sell the N5 and you will make more than enough to get a HTC ONE or trade someone strait up. It sounds like you are a HTC fan and not really fond of stock android and that is okay.
Have you heard the speakers after the 4.4.2 update? They sound MUCH better to me.

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Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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Fair assessment as everyone is different. I think you should stick to HTC if you want excellent hardware. The Nexus program is all about software and how Google perceives what Android should be to the end user (speed, quick updates, no bloatware). There will always be sacrifices (hardware) to achieve the price point Google must accomplish. After the 4.4.1 or 4.4.2 depending when you received your OTA, the volume is quite loud but of course not as loud as the HTC One. The LED is brighter then the N4 version.

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Fair assessment as everyone is different. I think you should stick to HTC if you want excellent hardware. The Nexus program is all about software and how Google perceives what Android should be to the end user (speed, quick updates, no bloatware). There will always be sacrifices (hardware) to achieve the price point Google must accomplish. After the 4.4.1 or 4.4.2 depending when you received your OTA, the volume is quite loud but of course not as loud as the HTC One. The LED is brighter then the N4 version.
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I have an HTC One (Verizon) that I dropped as soon as the Nexus 5 came out. There's no looking back for me, as I previously had a Nexus 4 and left it for the One. I'm back on T-Mobile, and back with the Nexus line, and I love it. So if you're really looking to dump your N5 and get back to HTC, send me a PM. I'll trade you straight up. My HTC One is Mint.

I've owned a few htc and samsung phones, also a galaxy nexus and a nexus 4, and for me the nexus 5 is the best device (looks+performance) i ever owned. Period.
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I somewhat agree with you. My first N5 had the speaker problem. I returned it and my replacement sounds good now. It is plenty loud, but I would like a little bit better sound quality. Instead of one speaker and one faux speaker, two speakers would have been nice. My battery lasts me all day with even heavy use. By far, the biggest battery hog is the screen. I use Lux for better brightness controls, and Tasker to turn on/off wifi, data, GPS, and other battery thieves automatically. See my screen shot.
As stated by others, having a Nexus is more about the operating system and not the hardware. I use a Nexus for all the custom mods and Roms. You can't have a better device than the latest Nexus for that.

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Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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I was in your shoes.. Decided to let the N5 go.. And I was a big fan of the N4. The size, the feel in hand, the bad cracking speaker, I just wasn't happy with it.

ausaras said:
Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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Well.... in regards to the feel of the phone.... a lot of people went with the black N5, simply because of the different back panel. The white N5's panel is more of a smooth plastic, whereas the black is what i can best describe as slightly rubberized. Does feel quite nice, at least to me, coming from a Motorola Atrix 4g and a Galaxy S3.
As for the built-in speaker.... it's rare to find a phone where they're reasonable.... HTC One aside. It only has one tiny speaker, but still sounds FAR better than my GS3 and Atrix did. But i don't really use the speaker for much... so that doesn't really bother me.
Battery life.... i dunno... i have to say i think it does fairly well. Lasts a fair bit longer than my S3 did with similar usage, and even on the stock ROM.
As for the LED.... it IS "fully rounded"... it just has a bit of a dithered outside edge. I'm assuming that's to try and make it appear as less of a beacon of light in a dark room when it's flashing (Like my S3's notification LED was). As for "colors mixed in along the edge".... uuh.... you DO understand how RGB LED's work, right? They essentially have three semiconductor sets that, when current is applied, light up in a different color. One red, one blue, one green. Which is usually why they can only really do variations on those three colors very well... not so much with a custom color. If you look at the LED when it's trying to recreate "white".... you'll see that around the edge, it looks like there's some red, green, and blue there, too. That's because there is. It's how they create white light with RGB LED's. It's probably not really visible on some other phones because they probably do more to hide the outside edges of the LED. Kinda like how HTC seems to have a thing for hiding it in the speaker/headphone grille.

I feel like a lot of people are buying this phone without doing enough homework to know what they're purchasing. If you've actually read a couple reviews of the phone or spent any amount of time in these forums, there should be absolutely no surprises. Either know what you're spending your $400 on or don't complain when it doesn't live up to your uninformed expectations.

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I feel like a lot of people are buying this phone without doing enough homework to know what they're purchasing. If you've actually read a couple reviews of the phone or spent any amount of time in these forums, there should be absolutely no surprises. Either know what you're spending your $400 on or don't complain when it doesn't live up to your uninformed expectations.
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That's why it was better when carriers didn't sell the nexus. Nobody out of the development world knew about them
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They are entitled to their gripes as you are your praises......all 502 of them....Do we need as many of those types of posts as well? This is the daily internet, why so surprised? Anyway, I see no big deal that OP is underwhelmed, just sharing is opinion. And he gave his reasons. Not everyone is going to like the same things. You internet people need to relax a little. Or not. Your choice. Stress free is the way to be, high five

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Coming from a GS4 and never regretted the UPGRADE for a second
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Had a GS4 too with a 64gb micro-SD, I was a little apprehensive at first, mostly due to the storage downgrade. But now, having my N5 for about 3 weeks, I don't regret it at all.

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They are entitled to their gripes as you are your praises......all 502 of them....Do we need as many of those types of posts as well? This is the daily internet, why so surprised? Anyway, I see no big deal that OP is underwhelmed, just sharing is opinion. And he gave his reasons. Not everyone is going to like the same things. You internet people need to relax a little. Or not. Your choice. Stress free is the way to be, high five
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My point is that if you actually do your research before dropping a few hundred bucks and know what you're getting into BEFOREHAND (y'know, making a purchase as an informed consumer), it's pretty much a guarantee that you won't be underwhelmed or disappointed. Just sayin'.

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My point is that if you actually do your research before dropping a few hundred bucks and know what you're getting into BEFOREHAND (y'know, making a purchase as an informed consumer), it's pretty much a guarantee that you won't be underwhelmed or disappointed. Just sayin'.
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To be fair, LG is having problems with quality control, and they also did do a sloppy job with the hardware design both which is causing quite a number of people to complain about the vibration loudness and lack of feedback which seems to worsen over time, and piping sound of the speakers and glue muffling the sound. Not to mention the issues with audio quality pointed out by Anandtech. These are things that can't be excused by the N5's low cost. The N5 does have the worst screen out of all the Android flagships with its crappy diagonal viewing angles, but better panels do cost more.
Anyway, I am happy with my Nexus 5, but any brand does have its fanboys, and they praise their brand and its products to the point of delusion the Nexus line is no exception. What I do find annoying are the clowns frowning on "newbs" and whining about how the Nexus line is only "understood" by developers and should be exclusive to developers. What a load of garbage...

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To be fair, LG is having problems with quality control, and they also did do a sloppy job with the hardware design both which is causing quite a number of people to complain about the vibration loudness and lack of feedback which seems to worsen over time, and piping sound of the speakers and glue muffling the sound. Not to mention the issues with audio quality pointed out by Anandtech. These are things that can't be excused by the N5's low cost. The N5 does have the worst screen out of all the Android flagships with its crappy diagonal viewing angles, but better panels do cost more.
Anyway, I am happy with my Nexus 5, but any brand does have its fanboys, and they praise their brand and its products to the point of delusion the Nexus line is no exception. What I do find annoying are the clowns frowning on "newbs" and whining about how the Nexus line is only "understood" by developers and should be exclusive to developers. What a load of garbage...
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Again, absolutely none of this is a surprise if you educate yourself about the product you're buying. It has nothing to do with fanboyism.
I will say, though, that I totally disagree with your assessment of the screen. I don't have a single use case that requires me to view the phone diagonally and off-axis. Viewing angles are great from the sides, top, and bottom, and that's all I need. To each his own.

You guys fail to realize this is a cheaply made $350 device. Stop comparing it to devices double the price
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