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Works great!
Press and hold each profile to change settings
It's on the market
Locale also does this . its on the market too
I find locale works really well especially when using location within the situation aswell. Class app!
Don't Update "Power Manager" !
I understand how hard is it for a developer to make a decent application. I remember the hours (coding and debuging) I've spent on some crappy school projects in C++. However, that dosen't permit the dev to deceive us. The dev of Power Manager has add few features to the latest update and when you download it, you'll realize that your copy becomes a trial and it'll work for 3 days
Shame on you !
yeah, i almost install but whew. i still have it with no trial. if you want it. message me.
these days i backup all apps before updating just in case- did it with this but read the comments first anyway...so anyway i didn't update it either.....its not like i can buy the paid app anyway!! Does he realise that those of us not in USA can't buy it and are then shut out of using his app until such time as google decides to allow us to purchase apps!!!
When I install new Apps I always do "cp -r app app2" in sd-directory.
I even can't buy paid apps, because I dont see them and I also dont support it.
Someone should place a rapidshare link of the free .apk-version at the market comments to protect users from such embarrassment.
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When I install new Apps I always do "cp -r app app2" in sd-directory.
I even can't buy paid apps, because I dont see them and I also dont support it.
Someone should place a rapidshare link of the free .apk-version at the market comments to protect users from such embarrassment.
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I still need to learn all these commands and locations.
I'm assuming that cp -r app app2 means that you're copying the app folder to a folder named app2? Isn't "app" in the phone's memory?
are you kidding?
because the software WAS free to use, doesn't mean you, or anybody else but the autor owns it. You don't have the right to distribute it. If an app costs money or not doesn't change the rights to the software. distributing apps that used to be free is not allowed, because it is not public domain, just because it is free.
I am embarrased about the attitude some here have just because a dev decides to now charge for his work, where he was previously not able to (due to the market not supporting it).
I even can't buy paid apps, because I dont see them and I also dont support it.
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you dont support what? people producing useful apps? people charging for their work? may I ask whats your age? and your profession? I am pretty sure you don't work for a software development house, do you?
let me repeat that: while a dev can provide his software FREE OF CHARGE for as long as he wants, that doesn't make him lose the rights to his work! so stop asking for links to software that used to be free, because this still violates the rights of the owner.
if you want to use an app that costs money, buy it.
oh...and for those that cant wait the few weeks ... well ... I do understand the frustration that causes, but your rant is against selling android software per se. and come on...USD 0.99 is too much? if this is too much, then the app can't be that important to you.
how much time do you think the developer spent creating the app?
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I still need to learn all these commands and locations.
I'm assuming that cp -r app app2 means that you're copying the app folder to a folder named app2? Isn't "app" in the phone's memory?
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Yes, you're right. I have all apps running from my Ext2 sd-card. So there's enough space to copy the App folder several times.
I think you can also save all apps to sd card with ASTRO (Market).
don't think i'm breaking any rules with this, as it's free...
but heres the version before the update. enjoy.
http://rapidshare.com/files/206078555/com.acme.android.powermanager.apk.html
i will reupload if needed.
also have the free slide-locker version before the annoying new one if anyone wants that?
btw, for the European users that want to buy apps, you can use SAM app market:
https://slideme.org/
they don't offer Power Manager as of yet, but I bought Advanced Taskmanager there due to not beeing able to do so from Android market yet
How pathetic.
People ***** and moan about getting better apps, but are too cheap to pay 0.99 cents for one they use.
Truly, truly patheticc.
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How pathetic.
People ***** and moan about getting better apps, but are too cheap to pay 0.99 cents for one they use.
Truly, truly patheticc.
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not really =/
people are *****ing and moaning about an app that was advertised as a free app being suddenly converted to an annoying trial app without any warning.
the creator could have at least published a new app instead of trying to wipe out the free version.
i'm all for paid apps (although i'm in the Uk so i can't d/l them) but the way the Power Manager developer went about releasing was all wrong, and is going to make a lot less money because of it.
i would be glad to get the free side locker
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not really =/
people are *****ing and moaning about an app that was advertised as a free app being suddenly converted to an annoying trial app without any warning.
the creator could have at least published a new app instead of trying to wipe out the free version.
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I still don't get why you think he should have done that.
again: just because he offered the app free of charge for a period of time doesn't mean it is public domain. You guys make it sound like you OWN the app because it used to be free. maybe you should have read the license you clicked away when you opened the market app, hm?
its 100% his decision. he could also just pull the software and demand that it won't be distributed at all anymore, if he so desires.
there is a HUGE difference between not charging for something and owning the app.
There's a little difference I try to tell you:
The developer made an update which turns the app from free to trial.
So it's not like he makes a new better "power manager plus" or whatever and let the actual Power Manager for free... no, he makes the free power manager to power manager trial and offers a NEW app called "Power Manager" (wtf?), which costs money (doesn't absolutely matter how much).
Because "Power Manager Trial" is related to the old "Power Manager" (free) you are forced to do the update. You couldn't do the update, if it would cost 0.99$. No, he makes the update free for everybody and turned it to trial. It's a trap! This is a cheating way to market his app as good as possible and I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS!
That was the bad way... the good way is:
Let the app under the same name for free and don't develop on it anymore. Make a new app called "appname PLUS" (or whatever) and request money for it. The developer would be likeable for me and I would like to pay for it. It's so harmonic I would even pay for it without having new features.
I absolutely agree with the thread's name 'Don't Update "Power Manager"'.
Now the devs won't frighten me again and I hope everybody understands, why I don't pay for an app, when a dev tries to cheat on all the users, which were lovely using the (free) app.
Fair play at the Android Market!
I'm with Meltus and MacFloid on this 100% The old app should've remained free, and all development stopped on it, rather than a bait-and-switch. Now granted, it tells you that it is now a trial app, and you are not forced to update, but that does not make it any less disappointing. I'm all for paid apps, but keep the free apps free, and if you want to make money off that app, release a new, more advanced version, and charge for that... but don't trick your supporters into thinking the app is free, and then quickly throw in a trial period, possibly without them even realizing it. I wasn't happy with the way the dev for "Task Manager for Root Users" handled it either, but even that wasn't as bad as the dev for Power Manager. At least I noticed the trial period warning before I hit update...
-John
BTW... anyone happen to have an .apk of the old, free "Task Manager for Root Users" handy?
I agree that the way this was done was underhanded. This morning, when I first saw the update, the only new comment in the description was "3/6 UPDATE****." There was no mention of the change. It was a blatant trick to force his >250,000 downloads to pay him 99 cents in three days or else. I almost clicked update, until I noticed every comment had one star. Now that I checked it again (three hours later), he changed the description to say it's changing to a three day trial. I understand that it is his right to do this, but the fact remains that his original goal was to fool us into clicking update by not telling us it's a trial version. I will not support this dev because of his methods. How do I know that the $0.99 one won't eventually expire and I'll have to buy a $2.50 version now that I know his business tactics. There are plenty of other ways to convert your free app to a paid one. Task Manager for example. He simply removed the free version from the market and released Advanced Task Manager. He didn't try to forcibly remove the free one from my phone. I can respect this and I supported that dev by buying his app. He also could have left the free one alone and made a paid one with new features. I can think of a few new features off the top of my head. For example, DxTop allows apps to have widgets built in to them. He could make a widget pack built in to his new Power Manager. Options for power graphs and various toggle switches to be put right on the home screen. If something like this was added in I would reconsider buying it. My advice to this dev is either completely pull the free/trial version from the market and hope people have a short memory, or completely restore your free version and give the paid one some new innovation. You could even release updates to the free one that do nothing but add a one time pop up that advertise all the new features added to Power Manager Pro. That was the method that got me to pay for Discover Pro.
However I don't agree with people asking for the apk files of the free task manager and slide to unlock programs. Those programs were legitimacy pulled from the market and replaced with superior versions. You still should support the devs that put forth the effort and not blindly lash out at every dev that decides to start charging for their software.
Is there a reason? I've used several nice apps from here, but just curious why you dont give them more exposure.
A lot of them are on the market, they are just posted here too.
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It costs money to get on the market. Xda is free. Would you rather get something for free here, or pay for it on the market?
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I think I remember reading in another thread that there was a fee you have to pay before putting apps on the market. I assume it doesn't matter if the app is free or not.
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It costs money to get on the market. Xda is free.
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Thats true.
Its like 20$+ to be a developer for Android.
The devs may not be sure if they'll get that 20$+ back after putting it on the market and it doesn't sell as much... so they post it here
As a Dev $25 doesnt really matter to potentially get more exposure so I don't understand why other devs don't put their good apps on the market many of them are useful even for people other than power users
is $99 not $25 and not all devs are from market enabled countries
I'm pretty sure it's $25. The app store on iOS is 100.
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The only reason I can see besides the $25 or $99 fee is the ratings.
Once an app is posted to the market you have somewhere around 9.2 million Americans with access to your app. If your app has bugs or is not perfect from the start you start getting 1 star ratings. These ratings will slowly knock your app away from any sort of recognition.
Developers on XDA post there app here in order to receive constructive criticism, instead of a market comment like "App has Force Close Errors 1 star." Instead on XDA the developers can get and give ideas to other. Then when they seem like the app is fully tested they can choose to post it to the market.
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I'm pretty sure it's $25. The app store on iOS is 100.
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The Android Market fee is a ONE-TIME $25. iOS is yearly.
Xda is a test bed for good ideas. Said good ideas get made into an app that gets throughly tested ppl with different phone models then the dev. Then the app can go to market.
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My apps are in the Android Market.
Mine is on the Market and has a thread on here, although I haven't attached the free APK to the thread.
And yeah, although the UI isn't great (I have plans for it) and I don't advertise a lot, I still managed to earn a little over $200 so far, making back well over the $25 I spent to be able to sell my app. It's worth it.
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Developers on XDA post there app here in order to receive constructive criticism, instead of a market comment like "App has Force Close Errors 1 star." Instead on XDA the developers can get and give ideas to other. Then when they seem like the app is fully tested they can choose to post it to the market.
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The above is a very good reason for posting your app elsewhere before publishing on the market. Most of the market reviews I've had regarding a problem didn't include any useful information on how to replicate the issue. For example, you'll typically get comments like "Freezes!" or "Force closes!" with no indication where in the app these problems occur. Likewise, identifying and fixing device specific issues is particularly difficult if you only rely on market reviews.
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Thats true.
Its like 20$+ to be a developer for Android.
The devs may not be sure if they'll get that 20$+ back after putting it on the market and it doesn't sell as much... so they post it here
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I'm not sure this is a big deterrent. It's a $25 one-time fee to publish as many apps as you want and you wouldn't need many sales or ad clicks to cover this cost.
agree....you will get more useful info alot faster on XDA regarding fuctionality and bug reports.
Alot of people just develop apps as a hobby with no intention of selling them. So why pay the $25?
and sometines you get banned without explanation so its a good place to upload you apk's google ban without send a warning maybe an icon, maybe something you did wrong and you couldnt fix they just ban and close you play store forever (and the next account you can made)
I put my Apps both on here and on the App Store.
I don't make any money from my apps, but I love Android because it's only a one time fee of $25 to publish apps to Android.
I was going to start with iOS but that's $100 yearly. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion.
Yup, Google Play is only a 1 time fee of $25. I dont think devs should be afraid of low ratings. You can't satisfy everyone. I get requests daily about what I should include in the app. There a lot of ideas and for a 99 cent app, I'm just not sure its worth it to build all these ideas into the app. The ones I do pay attention to are the ones where they say something doesn't work or it crashes when this or that happens.
The newly released apps for Nokia Lumia Series
Works perfectly on my hd7
Thank you for the xap files. They work great on my Omnia 7.
Thanks for sharing. Its working fine in my Omnia W
Works great on HTC Radar c110e thank you
This is equivalent to pirating. And I've said it before, I'll say it again - it's disgusting how XDA has selective treatment with it comes to pirating. Posting apps that are exclusive to other OEMs is the equivalent of stealing, because these apps drive the business for those phones and differentiate them. I really hope this ends soon. At least here.
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This is equivalent to pirating. And I've said it before, I'll say it again - it's disgusting how XDA has selective treatment with it comes to pirating. Posting apps that are exclusive to other OEMs is the equivalent of stealing, because these apps drive the business for those phones and differentiate them. I really hope this ends soon. At least here.
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you already have many homebrew apps which change your OEM marketplace in the phone itself.....so according to you developing a custom ROM with various types of unlock is also piracy?
and mind that XDA has a very good clear policy about piracy!!!
FiyaFleye said:
This is equivalent to pirating. And I've said it before, I'll say it again - it's disgusting how XDA has selective treatment with it comes to pirating. Posting apps that are exclusive to other OEMs is the equivalent of stealing, because these apps drive the business for those phones and differentiate them. I really hope this ends soon. At least here.
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Eh - not really. Nokia distributes the apps for free to the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people who have Nokia phones. And yes, to some degree, the apps drive a small bit of business for Nokia. But if you already own a Samsung Omnia, you're not really taking money out of the pocket of Nokia if you sideload their trailer app to your phone. And I SERIOUSLY doubt there's anyone here reading these threads going "well, I WAS going to go tomorrow to get a Lumia 900, but now that I can sideload the Dark Knight app, I'm going to get a Titan instead!"
I get your point, but I think its being a little too picky, especially with the Dark Knight or Trailers app mentioned here. Now - Nokia Drive.....maybe. That truly is an app worth a tangible dollar amount and could, theoretically, be piracy.
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you already have many homebrew apps which change your OEM marketplace in the phone itself.....so according to you developing a custom ROM with various types of unlock is also piracy?
and mind that XDA has a very good clear policy about piracy!!!
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Actually, XDA has the most selective, BS piracy policy on the net. Most forums are either entirely against or for piracy, XDA decides when to enfore their policies. Example? The HD7 has Windows Phone ROMs floating around this forum. Windows Phone isn't Android, it isn't open source, and it's a licensed OS. None of these HD7 ROMs were licensed and therefore should be banned from here. I understand custom ROMs for actual WP7 devices because hey, at least you bought the device.
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Eh - not really. Nokia distributes the apps for free to the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people who have Nokia phones. And yes, to some degree, the apps drive a small bit of business for Nokia. But if you already own a Samsung Omnia, you're not really taking money out of the pocket of Nokia if you sideload their trailer app to your phone. And I SERIOUSLY doubt there's anyone here reading these threads going "well, I WAS going to go tomorrow to get a Lumia 900, but now that I can sideload the Dark Knight app, I'm going to get a Titan instead!"
I get your point, but I think its being a little too picky, especially with the Dark Knight or Trailers app mentioned here. Now - Nokia Drive.....maybe. That truly is an app worth a tangible dollar amount and could, theoretically, be piracy.
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Problem is that Nokia Drive, Maps, Transit, Navigon, etc have all been available on these boards. I understand the minimal impact of the Dark Knight app, yes, but I'm complaining about the thought process. It happened at the beginning of the WP launch when these apps DID have an impact. And, I'm sorry to tell you, but Nokia's exclusive apps are a BIG part of their success - along with their customer/device support.
Totally agree about the Lumia exclusive app to be banned from the forum, if people surf some Chinese sites to get them, then so be it but xda shouldn't allow such stuff.
I cant believe how "sissified" people have become! I remember back in the day when anything goes! Even on Windows , hell I never bought a key for Windows until a few years ago , sadly most of you so-called open sourcers would rather pay an outfit like redhat a license then do it yourself , even xbox has **** canned cheats ,how weak! If its out there go get it , I bought this phone (and was ripped off,not by the manufacturer but by the carrier) ! Im sick of the crying about piracy ,if you want something on the net you can find it!
This forum is about developing , Im sorry but in order to develop some times you have to cheat to get where you are , anyone remember Tesla?
^ you vote Democrat huh, because you obviously love those handouts. Its disgusting how somebody can condone theft, you'd be *****ing up a storm if it were your product. You'd be the real sissy.
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Actually, XDA has the most selective, BS piracy policy on the net.
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FiyaFleye, don't try to be holier than the Pope first. Nokia people are monitoring xda daily; they are able to write complain to the xda mods if they found a "piracy" here.
Second, it's not a "General" forum but "Apps & Games"; so don't comment here but open your "blah-blah-blah" topic in General and continue your fight against "BS xda" and "piracy"...
Ok guys... Because the debate raises points on both sides, i am going to close it for now, and confer will colleagues about how to best handle this...
i have the HTC one X but i need to give it to my father...
so i am buying a new phone and wp8 look good, new and refreshing
but i have one problem
say i buy the ativ S and i want a game that cost money on marketplace
on android i can jast download and install
on IOS installus
on WP8?
i need a custom rom? or hacking the phone? what is my options?
thanks
You could pay for the app instead of pirating it.
i can do that on android and iphone...
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You could pay for the app instead of pirating it.
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THIS.
Don't come in here asking how to bork devs out of money they deserve.
Well if say you work somewhere would you like it if your employer does not pay you for your work?
I have owned many different mobile OS and i always pay for my apps after using Android for 3 years i payed 60€ in total for 88 payed apps. Are you that cheap?
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soo why are you making a wp7 custom rom? or the bazaar app ( its like installus right?) ?
if you pay for it why do need need developers for... (android dev i understand...)
edit: you can lock... i read somewhere i got my answer...
CustomROMs and Unlocks enable you to run Apps that are not possible with the official APIs. Bazaar is an alternate Marketplace that provides the possibility to centrally discover and install those Apps not possible in the official Marketplace. Bazaar does not allow you to pirate applications from the official Marketplace.
doron050 said:
i have the HTC one X but i need to give it to my father...
so i am buying a new phone and wp8 look good, new and refreshing
but i have one problem
say i buy the ativ S and i want a game that cost money on marketplace
on android i can jast download and install
on IOS installus
on WP8?
i need a custom rom? or hacking the phone? what is my options?
thanks
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Its people like you that have already destroyed the PC games market something I personally loved and could out perform any console (eyefinity anyone, not to mention far more hardcore graphics etc). Now the Pirates are doing what they can to rip off the phone market. I mean how cheap is this world??? If you cant afford a couple quid then maybe you should get a job!
Im waiting on this answer too, thinking about moving from my Titan to a HTC 8S, but only if I can sideload my apps, I have 3 I have wrote and probably will never send to market (never get round to polishing them up) and REALLY dont wanna pay $99 for the use of my own apps on my own phone, as soon as this information hits Ill pre-order a 8S
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Its people like you that have already destroyed the PC games market something I personally loved and could out perform any console (eyefinity anyone, not to mention far more hardcore graphics etc). Now the Pirates are doing what they can to rip off the phone market. I mean how cheap is this world??? If you cant afford a couple quid then maybe you should get a job!
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Companies will be able to install Apps from outside the Marketplace but we don't know yet how that will be managed. If I had to guess I'd be pretty sure that there will be no free sideloading, given that Windows 8 doesn't allow sideloading of Metro-Apps either without a developer certificate (though they are issuing them for free at the moment).
Microsoft will be allowing third-party developers to build Live Apps. These Live Apps can integrate with the lock screen, and also integrate into the new Windows Phone 8 Wallet and other hubs on the phone. The ability to choose among three different sizes of tiles as part of Windows Phone 8 OS.
http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows-phone-8-has-live-tiles-and-live-apps-7000006545/
is its mean that i can install a third-party app?
if soo i want to install waze, this one: http://meirtsvi.wordpress.com/
is it possible?
You can't install Apps from outside the Windows Phone Store unless your Apps are signed with a specific Certificate that you only get after being verified as a company.
Pirates destroyed PC Gaming?
WTF are you on about the PC market is doing better than ever right now and it's driving future business models for all platforms. I mean not only is there a Free 2 Play revolution going on but it's been a platform for mods to drive sales for games like Dayz has sold at least 1 million copies of ArmA 2 as a result. On top of that we have Steam which is currently the best digital distribution software for any platform and it has created this whole Sales trend. Then we have the flash games and all the casual Facebook games which I would be has more people playing than any platform alone.
The PC is just fine, the strongest platform out there and brings in the most revenue. The only difference is people tend to think of game sales just being retail box copies. Also lets not forget the fact that people who pirate media buy more media than people who don't, they just cannot afford to buy everything because it is their hobby and it would become so expensive. For example my friend buys all his games on his Xbox 360 but he's only bought 2-3 games this year and he doesn't know how to torrent, where as I torrent every game to try it out, yet I've bought over 20 games on Steam alone this year and some how I'm labeled as a pirate. Most of my friends torrent games and again they all buy far more games than any other group of gamer I know of.
So please put that piracy bull**** argument away, it was old 5 years ago and it's even older now.
Lets not forget the PC mod and indie scene has produced some of the best developers out there today. When a developer tries to deal with Microsoft or Sony they have to go through all these legal and restriction issues with them and wait around for ages. When their games are released they hardly get any coverage and are forgotten quickly. I think you'll find indie developers find far more success on Steam or even their own sites like Minecraft or Project Zomboid.
Start using bing rewards. you earn points for searching with bing, and you can use those points & redeem them for MS points, amazon $$, Starbucks, and now you can use them to but wp8 apps/games. This is better that pirating because you get updates on time, and if its an xboz game you can get achievements.
Venekor said:
The PC is just fine, the strongest platform out there and brings in the most revenue. The only difference is people tend to think of game sales just being retail box copies. Also lets not forget the fact that people who pirate media buy more media than people who don't, they just cannot afford to buy everything because it is their hobby and it would become so expensive. For example my friend buys all his games on his Xbox 360 but he's only bought 2-3 games this year and he doesn't know how to torrent, where as I torrent every game to try it out, yet I've bought over 20 games on Steam alone this year and some how I'm labeled as a pirate. Most of my friends torrent games and again they all buy far more games than any other group of gamer I know of.
So please put that piracy bull**** argument away, it was old 5 years ago and it's even older now.
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You will not get people here to agree with you that it would be great to pirate software. Most games on WP7 and WP8 have a Trial-Mode anyway that allows you to play the start of the game to check if it would be interesting to you - actually ALL XBox Live titles in the Marketplace have that.
Aside from that your price argument falls to pieces really quickly in the Smartphone sector given that most games don't cost more then 3$. That's less then you pay for a beer at a bar. We're not talking about expensive Software here. Piracy is especially bad for small developers, given that they don't earn much to begin with.
Modding is a completely different topic that does not have too much to do with piracy. Many games actually have their own APIs available to allow for those extensions. This has nothing to do with unlicensed copying.
It always amazes me to see people buy phones for $ 600 and then get annoyed when they are told they should shell out $ 1 - 3 for a game every once in a while.
I plan to switch to simple mobile, and im eyeballing the 920. i could care less about pirating windows app but i would like to know if there is any form of emulator apps, or perhaps a way to sideload those like you can in android?
my concern regarding pricing is fairly simple, on android i can get angry birds for free, pay 99 cents and get adfree versions. on iOS its 99 cents, with windows devices you pay 5 bucks and it doesnt seem like its updated nearly as often. im only using this as an example i wont be bother to play angry birds, wheres my water is much better . i wont pirate the apps that arent IMO worth while but i sure as hell wont buy em either.
and before anyone comments on if im cheap or not etc, ive spent at least 80 bucks on various android apps the most expensive one being 7 bucks for a fairly useful app
As was already stated above: there is no sideloading on WP8 unless you have a company certificate or have your device developer unlocked. There have been homebrew Emulators for WP7 but given that the inclusion of ROMs would have been a violation of the ROM-owners copyrights those Emulators were not allowed in the Marketplace.
Angry Birds btw. is 99 Cents at the moment in the Marketplace. Some months ago they dropped the prices on several XBox Live games. Indie games have regularly been at the 99 Cent price point even before that.
Nobody takes issue with people saying they won't pay for an App they don't enjoy and just won't use it for that reason. The problem is that there are many people around that say they won't buy into a phone because it is so expensive by itself and they don't want to pay for the Apps they use on it for that reason.
interesting, why would they have included roms? with teh android versions you download the app and put the files on your sdcard. and thats what i was wondering more about, i have a dreamspark account due to my student status and i believe at the time it allowed you to unlock your wp7 device?
i havent truly looked throught any of teh marketplace and ive only loaded up my recent install of win8 and saw angry birds space was 5 bucks, which suits me fine i have plenty of those kind of "smartphone" games on my tablet. im more interested in getting better quality xbox live enabled games, those im willing to drop the money on
i think its actually a valid point, i mean im fairly vested into android and for me to uproot and switch OS' means that day one after i drop x amount of dollars on a new device if i want any of teh apps that i used to have back i have to go and repurchase them all. thanks for all the info, as i dont really know a whole lot about wp8
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interesting, why would they have included roms? with teh android versions you download the app and put the files on your sdcard. and thats what i was wondering more about, i have a dreamspark account due to my student status and i believe at the time it allowed you to unlock your wp7 device?
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You still get one year of Dev Center membership for free with your Dreamspark Account. They would have had to include the ROMs given that there were no exchangeable SD-Cards or an accessible Filesystem in WP7.
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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Apourv said:
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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You're correct, can't root and you can only sideload apps if you're a developer. No custom roms, no root, your friend's a fandroid who's insecure about their OS.
I think disabling Sideloading is better. Because Wallet services are coming to mobile so chances are high that someone might make app which will hack mobile payment passwords and accounts, using app which people sideload. This might make android insecure, when making NFC payments.
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Disable sideloading? And then how are dev supposed to test their apps on their phones ? - the emulator is not a good choice in some cases.
Also, there are no custom roms YET, but I am pretty sure there will be. There's nothing in this world that can be protected from hacking
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Disable sideloading? And then how are dev supposed to test their apps on their phones ? - the emulator is not a good choice in some cases.
Also, there are no custom roms YET, but I am pretty sure there will be. There's nothing in this world that can be protected from hacking
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Developers can unlock their phones. Others can't.
Apourv said:
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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Blocking load of apps is a huge OVERKILL.
Say I wand to write an app, and distribute it freely, and do not want to put it on the market ?
What then ?
Besides that - if the IPhone with all it's locks and vaults can be set to load apps outside the Apple market,
it is safe to say that WinPhone will have the same crack.
Locking the device and limiting the user is a bad thing, and besides alienating your user base it will not do much.
Alienating your user base is never a good tactic, they will leave.
(People who plan to get WinPhone are most likely people who used WinMo - that was totally open to customization and apps from wherever)
Some developers looked into breaking the security on Nokia's WP7 phones and decided it would be to hard but of course there might be ways to do it anyway and allow custom ROMs. Aside from that Marketplace XAPs originally could be modified to be sideloaded on WP7 but this has changed several months ago, when Microsoft started to encrypt the XAP files.
As for modified firmware Microsoft is using Secure Boot to tackle the problem at a much lower level than Android and iOS devices do. Due to that it might be quite some time before anyone figures out a way to do it. And even phones like the HTC One X have not yet been broken (at least the versions that use Nvidias Tegra 3). It was similar with several Sony devices.
But in the end to enable this on a WP8 device it would mean HSPL, CustomROM and modified XAP-Files to allow for pirated Apps. Comparing this to Android where you only modify the APK and allow sideloading using a Checkbox I believe we will a lot more pirated Apps on Android than on WP.
As for: I want to provide my App for free without using the Marketplace - ähm... what would be the benefit to the user? Aside from Hacks they benefit from the fact that Apps are tested for stability, to be Malware-Free and that you can discover them without too much effort right from your phone.
The only thing I believe you're right is that actually lots of people will go for an OS where they can pirate Apps easily. There are enough threads around here were people tell you upfront that they believe that having paid several 100 $ for a device entitles them to get the software for free.
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As for: I want to provide my App for free without using the Marketplace - ähm... what would be the benefit to the user? Aside from Hacks they benefit from the fact that Apps are tested for stability, to be Malware-Free and that you can discover them without too much effort right from your phone.
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Yeah, right.
Like we saw on apple store, and the android market.
(you must be either kidding, or naive)
And as for users thinking paying few 100$ for a device and thinking it entitles them for free apps - well -
people became used to having free programs, and there are many good free programs.
Besides that - I do not support software piracy, but I do believe that you should have the freedom to do whatever you want with the device you payed a lot of good money for, and that the manufacturer should not put you behind bars and in chains, just so they can make more profit from you.
And dont think otherwise - they lock the device for the sole reason of taking some percentage of the money you pay for the apps,
and no other reason.
So every app would have to pass through their, and only their checkout point, and bring them more money.
Android market has no certification process while Apple's and Microsoft's does.
I didn't try to imply that you would want it for the reason of pirating Apps but for most people this is the reason they desire that feature.
But in the end we're talking about the rationale for developers and that is where your (paid) Apps are a lot better protected on WP or iOS than on Android. If this actually benefits you in the case of WP is a different discussion due to the fact that your potential market is smaller. But given that even though Android has a much bigger marketshare than iOS by now developers make a lot more money on iOS it seems the closed marketplaces actually benefit developers in that regard.
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Android market has no certification process while Apple's and Microsoft's does.
I didn't try to imply that you would want it for the reason of pirating Apps but for most people this is the reason they desire that feature.
But in the end we're talking about the rationale for developers and that is where your (paid) Apps are a lot better protected on WP or iOS than on Android. If this actually benefits you in the case of WP is a different discussion due to the fact that your potential market is smaller. But given that even though Android has a much bigger marketshare than iOS by now developers make a lot more money on iOS it seems the closed marketplaces actually benefit developers in that regard.
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The same goes for PC apps.
And people still develop apps for PCs.
This is, in my opinion, some kind of propaganda (not to say brainwash) from the manufacturers,
who's only intent is to make more profit for themselves, and want to recruit the developers for their own goal.
Software piracy have been here since forever, and the software industry has always been growing.
I still hold my opinion that the manufacturer must not have me in chains and behind bars.
I believe the manufacturer must let me do whatever I want with my device.
Let me load whatever apps i want, from any source, and not limit me or force me to pay them more and more money over the life of the device.
I'm not saying that it is not a valid desire to be able to do those things - I said it benefits developers if they are not possible. They don't have to care about piracy that much. And instead of putting together a sophisticated scheme to protect their applications (like they have been doing on the PC for more then a decade) they can concentrate on the actual content.
Do you believe PC games that came on floppy discs asked you about keys from the manual just for fun or to avoid copies? Do you believe the industry moved to CDs only because of the additional space or because they could not be easily copied for quite some time? Does Diablo 3 require an online connection because they could not implement a game that could run on the PC only?
Providing those protections in the OS itself takes a big burden off most developers. The 30 % cut Apple or Microsoft take is a big part of what big companies would earn with their software, given that they already have payment solutions in place and might be able to provide storage and bandwidth cheaper. For Indie developers it would be a lot harder to organize all this.
But instead of answering the question on pirac that thread was about y you're completely missing the point and going on a crusade (and your points from a users perspective definitely are valid).
Apourv said:
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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There are no WP8 custom ROMs, only WP7, and only for select devices. As far as I know, app piracy was effectively killed off even for a fully "rooted" WP7 device now that the apps come in an encrypted package. WP8 devices with an SD card can sideload apps, but it's a feature, not an illegal act. You get the encrypted package straight from windowsphone.com, and when you sideload it via SD card, it checks with the marketplace to see if you already own this app and if you have purchased it- otherwise you get the trial.
So android is significantly less secure in this area, your friend is wrong.
StevieBallz said:
I'm not saying that it is not a valid desire to be able to do those things - I said it benefits developers if they are not possible. They don't have to care about piracy that much. And instead of putting together a sophisticated scheme to protect their applications (like they have been doing on the PC for more then a decade) they can concentrate on the actual content.
Do you believe PC games that came on floppy discs asked you about keys from the manual just for fun or to avoid copies? Do you believe the industry moved to CDs only because of the additional space or because they could not be easily copied for quite some time? Does Diablo 3 require an online connection because they could not implement a game that could run on the PC only?
Providing those protections in the OS itself takes a big burden off most developers. The 30 % cut Apple or Microsoft take is a big part of what big companies would earn with their software, given that they already have payment solutions in place and might be able to provide storage and bandwidth cheaper. For Indie developers it would be a lot harder to organize all this.
But instead of answering the question on pirac that thread was about y you're completely missing the point and going on a crusade (and your points from a users perspective definitely are valid).
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Pretty much this.
As a developer, I love the fact that the WP marketplace protects my app from almost anything a hacker can throw at it, because it protects several aspects I invested in the app:
1) Time. A lot of time. I don't like it when people use what I invested months of research and coding for free, just because they are too lazy to search the marketplace, but are devious enough to google the app and download it from some obscure location (the irony).
2) My intellectual property: I've made the app, therefore I should have complete control over who can download it. How would you feel if you invested a lot in a car, and some random people of the street simply gets in and drives your car away?
3)Coding and researching is certainly not an easy task. If it were, then everyone would be a developer. Pirating my app is like asking me to give away my talents for nothing in return.
Although it is extremely easy for outsiders to judge my app and say it is not worth the money, they really have no idea how much time and effort was put into it. It is a service I provide for you, and as with any service you need to pay for it...upfront or by staring at adds.
Considering that without the OEM I would not be able to create the app at all, and you would not be able to use it either, it is only natural for them to ask a percentage of the profit from the app. It is how business works.
mcosmin222 said:
Pretty much this.
As a developer, I love the fact that the WP marketplace protects my app from almost anything a hacker can throw at it, because it protects several aspects I invested in the app:
1) Time. A lot of time. I don't like it when people use what I invested months of research and coding for free, just because they are too lazy to search the marketplace, but are devious enough to google the app and download it from some obscure location (the irony).
2) My intellectual property: I've made the app, therefore I should have complete control over who can download it. How would you feel if you invested a lot in a car, and some random people of the street simply gets in and drives your car away?
3)Coding and researching is certainly not an easy task. If it were, then everyone would be a developer. Pirating my app is like asking me to give away my talents for nothing in return.
Although it is extremely easy for outsiders to judge my app and say it is not worth the money, they really have no idea how much time and effort was put into it. It is a service I provide for you, and as with any service you need to pay for it...upfront or by staring at adds.
Considering that without the OEM I would not be able to create the app at all, and you would not be able to use it either, it is only natural for them to ask a percentage of the profit from the app. It is how business works.
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Comparing an App to a car is totally inappropriate.
If someone drove away in your car, you do not have this car anymore.
If someone installed an app you wrote - well, you still have another copy, and can produce a million more copies.
Som30ne said:
Comparing an App to a car is totally inappropriate.
If someone drove away in your car, you do not have this car anymore.
If someone installed an app you wrote - well, you still have another copy, and can produce a million more copies.
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He has a very simplistic view on piracy, which is what most people who think they're losing something have. It's hard for them to wrap their heads around new concepts like "pirated does not equal lost sales". It's mostly the RIAA's fault that the practice of sharing is deemed amoral and gave it the misnomer: "piracy". Actual sales lost because of piracy are negligible. I'm not saying it's ok for people to just take without paying, I'm saying you need to realize what is actually happening. Most "pirates" are poor students with no money to spare, kids who have no money of their own, and the most numerous "pirate" of all: those who cannot access a store to legally buy the product.
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The same goes for PC apps.
And people still develop apps for PCs.
This is, in my opinion, some kind of propaganda (not to say brainwash) from the manufacturers,
who's only intent is to make more profit for themselves, and want to recruit the developers for their own goal.
Software piracy have been here since forever, and the software industry has always been growing.
I still hold my opinion that the manufacturer must not have me in chains and behind bars.
I believe the manufacturer must let me do whatever I want with my device.
Let me load whatever apps i want, from any source, and not limit me or force me to pay them more and more money over the life of the device.
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This. And Also, Poecifer, your just the Fandroid, since the discussion was brought ou with no intention to accuse each other party and start a flame war as usual, so just stfu if you don't have anything useful to say.
As a wp developer, i'd like to say that not beeing able to sideload apps freely at times is just a pain in the a**...personally I own a Sony Xperia J and a Lumia 710...my friend is an Android Dev and doesn't have all this kind of limitation...