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[Q] Anyone tried the TSF shell launcher yet?

A new launcher called TSF Shell is released.
It looks very nice, but it seems very demanding on the resources.
Anyone tried this already?
And do you think the €12,50 price ok?
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Yes, I have.
Load of balls.
It's a shame that I missed the refund window by about 30 seconds.

when was it out? i just went to the official website yesterday and it only shows Beta tester advertisement!
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I don't know when they released it. It is in the Market now.
It's awful. If you don't believe me... waste some money and buy it.

Shame
nobnut said:
I don't know when they released it. It is in the Market now.
It's awful. If you don't believe me... waste some money and buy it.
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So they spent their development time working on the video?
Shame - looked like it could have been a winner (even if a bit of a resource and battery hog)

It looks alright but is confusing, not intuitive and left me feeling like my mind had been turned inside out.

I did. I like it so far. Exceptionally smooth. Music, weather widgets work as shown in the video. The memo widget is a joy to use, works exceptionally well with our S-Pen. just click on it and write away. Why don't you try it for yourself? 15 minutes is good enough to test it out. For me it's usually the feel of things. I either like it or I don't, right after the first touch. Also, the only way to change between homescreens is the orb at the bottom-left corner. Frustrating at first, but since it's so smooth and accurate, it feels natural after a while.
Pure eye-candy. I do feel the price is quite high.

Does it upset you that I don't like it? LOL
15 minutes was too long for me. I know what I don't like. But I'm pleased for you that you like it.

nobnut said:
Does it upset you that I don't like it? LOL
15 minutes was too long for me. I know what I don't like. But I'm pleased for you that you like it.
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Not at all
Personally, I dislike the mechanism to get to the app drawer, but I can live with it. Also, there are four homescreens, and that's about it. No settings menu either. You can change transition animation of the app drawer, though. There's a themes menu as well, but there are no themes online currently (doubtful, could be a connection error). Live wallpapers don't seem to apply too. You can select and configure them, but they won't apply. I think I'll have to watch the video again, it seems some of the app arrangement functionality is missing, or I can't get to it. I'll update with results.

Hated it, plus the price is outragous! Good thing I didn't miss the refune window
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Would never pay that amount for a launcher when there are so many good cheap our even free available. It would have to make me breakfast to even consider it.
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Tried it and i'm going to be honest: A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY!
For everyone that wants a true launcher: GO LAUNCHER!

Using it now, its very complicated and confusing, but smooth, fast and pretty
Lacks too much options, and it's overpriced ...

Damn expensive little launcher !!
My god... I just checked on the market and my first impression towards the price was " RIP OFF ! " ... The price tag of $15.49 was just bit too much...
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Would never pay that amount for a launcher when there are so many good cheap our even free available. It would have to make me breakfast to even consider it.
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+1000000000000000000000000000000000 that !!

yesterday i tried it and i'm still getting used of it. by the way, after a day using it, i can say:
it's the fastest launcher i ever tried and it's perfect for the note.
graphical effect are very good and fluid, never had a lag.
it's widgets are wonderful (for me) and free
but don't forget that:
it has an interface different from any other launcher
it is possible to change pages only with the button down on the left of the screen
it is really expensive
do you have to buy it, in my opinion?
if you want to try something new and different, this is the launcher for you. the only thing i don't like is that the operation to change screens with one hand could be difficult, because the note's screen is very big.
P.S: i don't want to invite anyone buying the launcher, i'm only telling you my opinion, so, maybe, you can decide better what to do

I have to disagree with most of you here, the only thing I agreed is the price, come on $17 for a launcher? I personally don't care but $17 can't get the population of this launcher to nowhere. I think they should reconsider the price down to something like $7 or $8.
besides that. me thinks this launcher kick a$$. Yes, it's not completed YET but it's already the most intuitive, fluid(in terms of animation and work flow) launcher I've ever used.
some features are missing here and there but it's a beta, I am sure they will be there in some time and after few more months of tweaking, updating , more themes and plugins. This could be the BEST launcher out there. I totally see the potential out of this launcher.
I am not persuading anyone to get this launcher as the price is semi retarded and the supposed features are missing for most of the user's expectation.
But I do advice you guys keep an eye on this launcher for upcoming updates, hope TSF will complete the whole thing very soon and set the price right too. Then I am sure some of you will change your mind.

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It would have to wake me up 'in that special way' to be worth it, I reckon!
darkinners said:
I have to disagree with most of you here, the only thing I agreed is the price, come on $17 for a launcher? I personally don't care but $17 can't get the population of this launcher to nowhere. I think they should reconsider the price down to something like $7 or $8.
besides that. me thinks this launcher kick a$$. Yes, it's not completed YET but it's already the most intuitive, fluid(in terms of animation and work flow) launcher I've ever used.
some features are missing here and there but it's a beta, I am sure they will be there in some time and after few more months of tweaking, updating , more themes and plugins. This could be the BEST launcher out there. I totally see the potential out of this launcher.
I am not persuading anyone to get this launcher as the price is semi retarded and the supposed features are missing for most of the user's expectation.
But I do advice you guys keep an eye on this launcher for upcoming updates, hope TSF will complete the whole thing very soon and set the price right too. Then I am sure some of you will change your mind.
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Echoes my thoughts since it was released. One to watch.

After using it for about a week, I feel ripped off. Other than a couple of fancy animations I can't see how this launcher is any better than any other launcher. Nothing at all special about it. Perhaps I am missing something but I doubt it. Like chameleon launcher overpriced and under featured launcher.

Whats your opinion on windows phone 7

so just the other day i've had my first experience with windows phone 7 while changing apn settings for a customer and i have to say, it's a respectable mobile platform. If i was forced to choose a non android phone, my next phone would be windows phone. So im just wondering others opinions

It's not bad, very usable. Too bad it doesn't support dual core yet.
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It would be good in my opinion of it had a more modifying and customization expect. But it seems to be too empty and not very entertaining to me.
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I think windows phone 7' will be a big hit for Microsoft and lifesaver for Nokia..... Let's see.
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Imo it didn't need it. It ran so Smooth that I didn't notice it was single core
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Same here. If they would implement a theme system it would be allot Better
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For now it's a life saver for Nokia. But if any other vendors like Samsung or htc Nokia will be in deep s**t again
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Good god I'm waiting for the fanboys to pile in here......
But, yes, it's a great OS. I have one, got my mom one who didn't want an iphone. It's great. But yes, the lack of customization is a downside, especially if coming from android. I think some themes in the way of background pictures or a lwp would be great, awesome for the people who have alot of tiles and therefore spend some time scrolling through the home screen. It's very intuitive with very little options, which like iOS, is why it's intuitive. Big reason I don't recommend android to people not able to pick up tech and "know" how to use it. It was a much needed change to save microsoft's mobile market. Too bad, I don't see it selling much. Walk into the store and the idiotic sales people will point you straight to an iPhone or Android device and sway you away from looking at the WP7. Then there is the "flashy" aspect. Walk in the store and ignore everyone and your eyes will be drawn to the cool factor of iOS and Android. Just my 2 cents and take it for what it's worth.

smooth and stable. I think, it lacks a few apps but there are alternatives.

Childproof Nexus 7

Our kids are using the N7 and I wondered how I could go about making it a good tool for them to learn on (games, letters, numbers etc.) but at the same time hide/restrict the more grown-up stuff, like email, maps and all the other stuff they won't have need of at this time.
I figured I can make a folder for all their games and learning apps, but has anyone got any ideas of how I can tweak the unit so when they use it, it will be "barebones" for them but still allow me access to the full features if the need arises. The unit is predominately for the kids so I won't need access that much. It would be great that once they switch it on, all they see is "their" stuff. Ideas...?
Thanks

As far as the "child proofing" goes, definitely get a good case and screen protector, maybe even something that they can put around their wrist when they hold it so they don't drop it as much.
To hide apps, download something like Apex Launcher and go to the drawer settings, it has a way to hide any installed app.
You could also install Avast! Anti virus. I think that has a way to block certain websites from being accessed and and also includes features to find the device when lost and lock certain apps.
There is also a new launcher coming out called Chameleon that looks a lot more straight forward for a kid to use. The launcher also includes pages of apps that change the feel of the device.
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If you press the All Apps icon then touch and hold an icon for a built-in app, you can drag it up onto an Info icon. As well as showing you info about the app, it allows you to disable it. So you can install only 'safe' apps and disable 'non-safe' apps', including the Play Store.
Then all you have to do is make sure they don't have access to the Tapatalk app in case they read this post...
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I have the same problem my grandson is coming over for the weekend so I'm going to test this out https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sp.protector.free
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The Play Store definitely has some child-proofing available.
If you're on the more nerdy side, you could actually root the device, set it up how you like it, then either make the Market and other offending apps invisible, or lock access to them.
Just depends on how far you want to go. Something tells me that the Play Store child-proofing may be enough.

There is an app called Switch Me. Basically it lets you configure multiple profiles by setting up a new /data partition for each one allowing you to restrict access to certain apps and so on and even have multiple Google accounts setup for each user. You should check out out.
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I would also look at Switchme to set up different user profiles.
EDIT: damn, evonc beat me to it by a few minutes. LOL

IconBoy said:
Our kids are using the N7 and I wondered how I could go about making it a good tool for them to learn on (games, letters, numbers etc.) but at the same time hide/restrict the more grown-up stuff, like email, maps and all the other stuff they won't have need of at this time.
I figured I can make a folder for all their games and learning apps, but has anyone got any ideas of how I can tweak the unit so when they use it, it will be "barebones" for them but still allow me access to the full features if the need arises. The unit is predominately for the kids so I won't need access that much. It would be great that once they switch it on, all they see is "their" stuff. Ideas...?
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Try visidon which face locks apps so you can lock settings email and web
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I use applock on my kids' tablets. N7 is daddy's.
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I bought my 5 year old an original Samsung Galaxy tab 7" and he is autistic so went through a throwing phase when he first started getting into electronics, like when he'd lose in a game. Anyway we have just a silicon case for it and it has with held the torture of all time and it is still in great shape. He even threw it off a second story balcony and it landed on a hardwood floor... bouncing afterward... but still chugging. No dents or scratches or defects. Thing is a champ.
While the Nexus 7 is a little thinner, I figured I'd reply anyway. GET A CASE.... and a screen protector. The Galaxy tab is a stout device but let's hope the Nexus 7 is AS good if not better. It feels solid.
I just got mine after lots of torturing myself that my Transformer was sufficient, but I must say the more I use it the more I like it.
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I've been using an app called Kids Place for my 20 month old twins. Works great! It's like a home replacement and you can choose the apps available.
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You could look into the Fuhu Nabi 2 that I read about recently. It is basically a nexus 7 without JB (runs ICS), built in protection, and defaults to kids mode (the dad mode is a normal android). 8GB for $199
http://fineoils.blogspot.com/2012/07/fuhu-nabi-2-nexus-7-killer-for-kids.html
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Child proof it by buying them something else.

ReggieTee said:
Child proof it by buying them something else.
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No, not child proofing the nexus 7, but instead a "Childproof Nexus 7", as the title says, which is basically what that device seems to be. Though this would not help anybody who already has a Nexus 7, it may help somebody looking for a Nexus 7 type device for their child.

sparkym3 said:
You could look into the Fuhu Nabi 2 that I read about recently. It is basically a nexus 7 without JB (runs ICS), built in protection, and defaults to kids mode (the dad mode is a normal android). 8GB for $199
http://fineoils.blogspot.com/2012/07/fuhu-nabi-2-nexus-7-killer-for-kids.html
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Thanks for the link to my blog. As for OP's problem of rendering the "original" Nexus 7 child proof, it's technically doable by "borrowing" ROM from rooted Fuhu Nabi 2. Naturally, presenting the kid an original Fuhu Nabi 2 and taking back an original "adult" Nexus 7 would be more practical.

Pfft! Just don't let your kids use it. Make them go outside and build tree houses, play with an abacus or read encyclopaedias. 80s *****!

I also agree on getting the nabi2 its a really nice device. My 2 year old never killed her nabi1 and the 2 seems even more solid. She has thrown both of them and took a crayon (washable) to it and wild off with no marks or scratches on th screen.
The only issue I have is no root on it, but its nice and quick. Screen is not as nice as my Nexus7, but it has microsd slot and HDMI port. I hear someone rooted one but Fuhu asked them not to release how, so if anyone hears about root please post it here on the forums. I thought about trying the root tool for nexus but she loves it too much for me to risk it.
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Subscribed... I too am looking for a way to root the Nabi 2... i really would like to get the Google Play Store installed on this thing since I have a lot of apps already purchased through there...

Dropline:
...I hear someone rooted one but Fuhu asked them not to release how, so if anyone hears about root please post it here on the forums. I thought about trying the root tool for nexus but she loves it too much for me to risk it.
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Them Fuhuans can ask anybody anything, XDA-Devs is a free-rooting country. I think the race is on already, to turn Nabi 2 into a chewable/droppable N7 with SD slot/HDMI. My guess the N7 and Nabi 2 are twin brothers (ASUS 370T being their dad), so a "standard" N7 rooting tool will work. If not at the first attempt, then with some minor tweak.
I'm following Nabi 2 (and Furbi 2) progress in my blog closely, so you're welcome there. Can't guarantee being exclusive bearer of the news though....

aludal said:
Dropline:
...I hear someone rooted one but Fuhu asked them not to release how, so if anyone hears about root please post it here on the forums. I thought about trying the root tool for nexus but she loves it too much for me to risk it.
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Them Fuhuans can ask anybody anything, XDA-Devs is a free-rooting country. I think the race is on already, to turn Nabi 2 into a chewable/droppable N7 with SD slot/HDMI. My guess the N7 and Nabi 2 are twin brothers (ASUS 370T being their dad), so a "standard" N7 rooting tool will work. If not at the first attempt, then with some minor tweak.
I'm following Nabi 2 (and Furbi 2) progress in my blog closely, so you're welcome there. Can't guarantee being exclusive bearer of the news though....
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I think you saw my other post about that guy and Fuhu. I tried a genetic tool. I was going to try with the nexus one, but Nabi is ICS not jellybean so did not want to risk it. Same boat, my kid loves it.
Also we got the glow in the dark bumper from fuhu with our VIP Gold upgrade, the new bumpers are bigger and thicker so should take a fall better. Just letting you know, not sure how rough you're kid is with it.
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Change from S4 to One is it worth to loose some money

Hey guys. I got an S4 from my job. And today I saw the ONE in a shop and I got to use it a bit. I liked a lot. But if I'm going to change it I'll be losing some money. And I'm a bit worried of HTC future also.
I've got bees in my stomach.
Any honest thoughts from you who has tried both of the phones.
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Htc have never made a loss. Also the Devs love the device, so you'll get good support no matter what.
Love my One but up to you!
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drspikes said:
Htc have never made a loss. Also the Devs love the device, so you'll get good support no matter what.
Love my One but up to you!
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You saying the HTC first wasn't a loss?
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I have both and use my HTC a lot more it's just seemless in everything and I find it more adult like ! To me the gs4 is cool and has nice features but I always stay on my one
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I meant that they cost same . And since I have used my s4 when I sell it it will not cover totally htc one.
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drspikes said:
Htc have never made a loss. Also the Devs love the device, so you'll get good support no matter what.
Love my One but up to you!
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Lolz HTC is the only company who has been struggling amongst all telecommunication handset manufacturing companies. I don't know what u talking about.
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I prefer the one. I work at a store and I sell both but for me the One is better.
I prefer the ui and find it smoother. Especially with Trickdroid. That Rom is beast. Actually development in general is awesome so I am not leaving anytime soon.
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its not worth losing money over changing imho. the only s4 flaw that worries is me is potential burn in if you are heavy user in bright environments. Check the s3 screens on demo at your local store. nasty burn in on them...

The one all the way man. The s4 may have a bunch of cool features but how many of them do you use? And just look at it... It's freaking beautiful compared to the plastic crap...
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Its tricky but if possible spend a little time with One. Not just couple of minutes but little more than that.
There are niggles with even One. Those who own the device will most of the times give you biased opinions. As owner of both, I would not feel it will be sound advice to tell someone to ditch S4 in favour of One and on top of that lose money in the process.
Rather than make another long post about it, I will link to my previous post in locked thread. That thread had to be cleaned because fanboys on both sides just made it ugly in there. And in the end mod had to delete all but OP and my post
Anyway here is the link to it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41699179&postcount=2
Think twice before making a move. One is beautiful device, but S4 is equally good(not in terms of looks) and probably more functional with more traditional way of doing things which are universal to most android handsets. One takes completely different path.
Development for both phones wont be an issue. S4 and One both have great development work going on for it.

jags_the1 said:
Lolz HTC is the only company who has been struggling amongst all telecommunication handset manufacturing companies. I don't know what u talking about.
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You saying the HTC first wasn't a loss?
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Htc's benefits have shrunk but they have always made benefits.
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Funkym0nkey said:
Its tricky but if possible spend a little time with One. Not just couple of minutes but little more than that.
There are niggles with even One. Those who own the device will most of the times give you biased opinions. As owner of both, I would not feel it will be sound advice to tell someone to ditch S4 in favour of One and on top of that lose money in the process.
Rather than make another long post about it, I will link to my previous post in locked thread. That thread had to be cleaned because fanboys on both sides just made it ugly in there. And in the end mod had to delete all but OP and my post
Anyway here is the link to it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41699179&postcount=2
Think twice before making a move. One is beautiful device, but S4 is equally good(not in terms of looks) and probably more functional with more traditional way of doing things which are universal to most android handsets. One takes completely different path.
Development for both phones wont be an issue. S4 and One both have great development work going on for it.
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Not true apart from quick toggles its missing nothing from traditional Android...there is virtually no roms on s4 all the top developers have the one that should tell u something...the interface on Samsung touch wiz is horrible ..sorry imo the interface just ruins that phone for me
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gemini002 said:
Not true apart from quick toggles its missing nothing from traditional Android...there is virtually no roms on s4 all the top developers have the one that should tell u something...the interface on Samsung touch wiz is horrible ..sorry imo the interface just ruins that phone for me
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This is what I am talking about. Blind one sided view of things. Nothing on One works like stock android by default unless you change the Sense 5 launcher with something else. Not even simple wallpaper changing or creating shortcuts and dragging tray icon apps etc. Even these basic things are done differently. HTC specifically have gone their own way about almost everything with One. Some people love it, some hate it. I dont like it.
And development will not be an issue. S4 has been out for less than a month. One had shortages but it was in hands of lot of developers early.
S4 already had Omega and Wanam ROMs, two top recognised developers for Samsung phones. More will jump in eventually. It is just matter of time.
TWUI is more functional than Sense 5. It may not look as elegant as our sense to look at, but it works just fine. It might have colour scheme that represents brazilian rainforest, but it is functional and most actions work like stock android. So even if someone is coming from likes of Nexus 4 or older Samsung phones or even any old ICS or JB and even gingerbread, they will feel right at home.
S4 may not be as good looking, as well built phone as One, but it is no slouch. Definitely not something that is worth less than One or something you need to throw out to get One and lose money in process.
It has its share of problems just like we have our own share of problems with One. And that is something lot of people here wont accept (that One really does have issues ).
I still use One as my primary phone, that does not mean I am ready to tell someone to ditch his perfectly fine S4 to get One.

gemini002 said:
Not true apart from quick toggles its missing nothing from traditional Android...there is virtually no roms on s4 all the top developers have the one that should tell u something...the interface on Samsung touch wiz is horrible ..sorry imo the interface just ruins that phone for me
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Is this another fan boy post?
I like One, but I would not pay $100 to switch. Both are the best phone available. I believe S4 is more functional in certain area too. But I really can't take the Brazilian rainforest colour scheme which has no style at all, it's just trying to target all kind of audience including 15 years kid. I like the Sense style, it's elegant and classy, undeniable best speakers, best low night camera, etc...

superprelude said:
Is this another fan boy post?
I like One, but I would not pay $100 to switch. Both are the best phone available. I believe S4 is more functional in certain area too. But I really can't take the Brazilian rainforest colour scheme which has no style at all, it's just trying to target all kind of audience including 15 years kid. I like the Sense style, it's elegant and classy, undeniable best speakers, best low night camera, etc...
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No just stating the facts...the eye and gestures gimmicks are not native to android...I have a galaxy tab 2 ,Ipad 2 ,MacBook pro etc I like good products imo the s4 is horrible..hate the ui its so bad some of the features dont work well such as using ur eyes to scroll down and the lack of text flow ...camera is awesome colours pop on that screen but they are not real colours also screen does not get as bright...this is my opinion which does not make me a fan boy I was gunna get a S4 when I was reading the reviews for it they kept talkin about the one the rest is history
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gemini002 said:
No just stating the facts...the eye and gestures gimmicks are not native to android...I have a galaxy tab 2 ,Ipad 2 ,MacBook pro etc I like good products imo the s4 is horrible..hate the ui its so bad some of the features dont work well such as using ur eyes to scroll down and the lack of text flow ...camera is awesome colours pop on that screen but they are not real colours also screen does not get as bright...this is my opinion which does not make me a fan boy I was gunna get a S4 when I was reading the reviews for it they kept talkin about the one the rest is history
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Disable the gimmick apps, those are for marketing. Use the phone instead.

Thanks a lot guys for your honest thoughts. From what I read. I'm guessing its smart to stick with my S4 for a little while still. It's plasticiy and it has a bit of lag time after time. Hope it will get better. And than maby I'll wait until next spring. I only used Htc for a long time maby it's ok with a bit of change for some months.
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The One is only okay.
I've extensively used both the One Dev. Ed. and the GS4 and you're not missing out on anything. I am currently using the One and trying out various launchers. IMHO the GS4 had a better phone, calendar, email app, and I really miss 4.2.2. Don't be fooled by the unlocked bootloader: I've literally installed every custom ROM on the One. The difference between the screens is negligible, yet the autobrightness of the One is more functional and CM 10.1 has excellent autobrightness (unfortunately, the screen would go black every time I made a phone call. I like Blinkfeed, but am disappointed by Sense. The GS4 and the One are my first Android phones and I would readily choose the GS4. I have every intention to sell my One and buy the 32gb GS4.

Disable the s4 gimmick features and the phone will speed up
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Dollar for Calculator app!

The lack of apps and not being able to sideload is irritating right now but I believe when development progresses we will get these things. I refuse to pay a dollar for a calculator app or 2048. I would like to have them on my watch but think they are taking advantage. I just gave samsung 200 dollars, they should provide more free useful apps.
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So you want Samsung to develop free apps for you because you paid $199 for the watch?
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Legacy2385 said:
So you want Samsung to develop free apps for you because you paid $199 for the watch?
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Some... yes. A calculator should be stock. What's with the attitudes on here today? If they are going to compete with android, they are going to want to develop a lot more apps.
P.s. And over the years, I have given them a couple of thousand. I've been very loyal to samsung.
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azpatterson3 said:
Some... yes. A calculator should be stock.
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I agree, man. I love some of the stock apps, for example, the remote app, but a calc app should be default too. I would consider paying for the calc app if it at least had a percentage option.

You can sideload apps, it's just that there are no apps to sideload. I'm sure samsung will provide us with a a calculator just as they provided a sleep app which wasn't available before the weekend
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azpatterson3 said:
Some... yes. A calculator should be stock. What's with the attitudes on here today? If they are going to compete with android, they are going to want to develop a lot more apps. P.s. And over the years, I have given them a couple of thousand. I've been very loyal to samsung. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527
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You can sideload apps, it's just that there are no apps to sideload. I'm sure samsung will provide us with a a calculator just as they provided a sleep app which wasn't available before the weekend Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
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Completely agree with azpatterson3, the calculator is the symbol for the problem! It's not the dollar for the an app. I like many always try to buy the dev's paid apps and I have hundreds of apps stuck on play to prove it! However, for Tizen we have (almost) only that one app (not counting the nascent watch face efforts, and Glympse). Morover, a basic calculator app is the type of app that every single beginning developer publishes for free just to get started! Samsung marketing this in their new Tizen store is . . . .puzzling! The irony is thick!
I do accept polish_pat's point too. There will be a free calculator, more watch faces and more. . . everything. Hopefully many created by outside devs that we can side load. But waiting is really, really frustrating.
Reminds me of when I bought a Motorola Atrix some years back (don't even remember which model right now!) I and many others were waiting and waiting for development on roms --it was painfully slow and limited. I felt like I won the lotto when I switched to samsung and found the rich, and fast development that hit all their galaxy (and note) phones.
However, with our Neo we're back in Matrix territory again. . .waiting for the developers to cross the river and setup shop. It won't be as fast since the population of users is much smaller, probably won't be as rich either. Fortunately, this is only a watch
As for Samsung leading any development surge, well, that would be great. but I suspect they will focus on ensuring the NEo has everything that is out there for other smart watches health bands and that's about it.
Moreover, if the way mucked up the S-Health/ Fitness for Gear approach is any model for how they will go forward, then we truly are going to be stuck in a mediocre app environment. I really hope they get better than that!
Still, I am enjoying what the Neo has now -- the (limited) sleep app, the telephony (great!), text messages and even S voice is pretty good for some searches and messaging for me (so far). Although more than once I have had to nervously say "cancel message" in a panic after looking at what my watch and S voice interpreted my words to be! )

markbc01 said:
I do accept polish_pat's point too. There will be a free calculator, more watch faces and more. . . everything. Hopefully many created by outside devs that we can side load. But waiting is really, really frustrating.
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An OS is nothing without a community behind it. You can have the best, most efficient, smooth and gorgeous OS but its simply sucks if there is no one to code for it (aka windows mobile) This watch is Tizen's first serious market entry, so of course it sucks, for now, but remember that the king of mobile gadgets is behind it and it will eventually be something great. We are the pioneers of Tizen, we are paving the way for the future. Tizen is a good opportunity for any dev to have a fresh, new and especially easy revenue stream. I mean a guy coded a freakin simple calculator app and sold it for 1$. I'm sure that by the end of May, he will make at least a couple grand on something that any dev can code in under 1h. Same goes for any other app. If i were a dev, I'd jump on this opportunity of knowing this is a new emerging market that has a very serious bunch of backers (Open handset alliance) and within a year, there will be at least a couple hundreds of thousands of devices just screaming for 3rd party apps. And although a calculator might not be something that someone would spend a dollar on, there are many, many other simple apps that people would pay for. As an example, porting a T1 wrinting input that would allow us to write something directly on the watch
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I'm developing a simple calculator app I'm going to release for free... I find it crazy people are charging for extremely simple apps! I can see charging $1-5 for an app that actually takes some work to develop, but comon, a watch face for $2?!

Its all about opportunity. I'm not ever going to spend 2$ on a watchface, but suply x - demand xxxxxxxxxxx and as long as it stays like that, there will be more and more basic apps for a premium price
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polish_pat said:
Its all about opportunity. I'm not ever going to spend 2$ on a watchface, but suply x - demand xxxxxxxxxxx and as long as it stays like that, there will be more and more basic apps for a premium price
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Yeah, makes sense... they have had a lot of people buy them already. So hey if you can succeed at it, I guess touche.
But I submitted my calculator! Hopefully it gets approved... first app I have ever submitted. See if it goes through...

Out of curiosity, whats your coding experience? I might get motivated enough to take a crack at tizen. I know the basic stuff on Eclipse and have a few good ideas i would like to try for the gear. Is it easier or harder than for Android?
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polish_pat said:
Out of curiosity, whats your coding experience? I might get motivated enough to take a crack at tizen. I know the basic stuff on Eclipse and have a few good ideas i would like to try for the gear. Is it easier or harder than for Android?
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I consider myself a .NET developer first and Java a lid becoming a close second although I still have a lot to learn. Tizen widgets use HTML and Javascript for the backend. So if you know HTML5 and J Query I would say it's easier than android. Hard part is limited auto complete and knowing the SDK. For the most part I avoided the sdk.

Thanks for app!
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I also submitted a calculator but I avoided their SDK completely
I don't know how Samsung responds they will probably not be happy

Helga Pataki said:
I also submitted a calculator but I avoided their SDK completely
I don't know how Samsung responds they will probably not be happy
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Nice.. I bet they are processing like 59 calculator apps because people had the same idea! But yeah the sdk is just weird when it's javascript... seems too weird to me.

Why don't you guys post your apps here for us to use
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thesparky007 said:
Why don't you guys post your apps here for us to use
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Yes, all you need to do is zip up the wgt file and post that. We can side load w/ sdb install.
Make it into a fun competition. Best calculator wins. ;-]

BigDanInTX said:
Yes, all you need to do is zip up the wgt file and post that. We can side load w/ sdb install.
Make it into a fun competition. Best calculator wins. ;-]
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I'll see if I can post mine later tonight. Found a small bug with mine where you can stack functions... also going to be implementing advanced functions here soon.
I just zip the wgt file with any normal zip program?

So you don't need the sdk to make app for this watch? I am not a programmer but I read that sdk is closed sources. I know closed source is restricted.
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Legacy2385 said:
So you want Samsung to develop free apps for you because you paid $199 for the watch?
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my sentiments exactly...:laugh: